Brighton and Hove City Council refuses to cut charges for Christmas (From The Argus)

2 kids, a pushchair, one parent and the christmas shopping, on a weekend, in Decemeber.....by bus. Are they mental? I live in Brighton and I am doing my shopping out of town, or online, whenever i need more than a few, easy to carry items.

Spanners wrote:
2 kids, a pushchair, one parent and the christmas shopping, on a weekend, in Decemeber.....by bus. Are they mental? I live in Brighton and I am doing my shopping out of town, or online, whenever i need more than a few, easy to carry items.

Well I expect to see the streets and shops of Brighton empty as usual. For years on this site I have been reading the same old rubbish. If you prefer to shop in Crawley just do it.. don't moan about it. I'm pretty **** sure that these shopkeepers are capable of opening up in Crawley instead of Brighton if they think they can make more money there. I don't think my life will be any worse if the tat they sell is not available to me. If you can't afford to park in Brighton for a few hours to do some shopping then you probably would be better off saving it to pay your heating bills, or to buy some better quality food. I am tired of hearing all this whinging. I am not a Green supporter for the record.

d a m n ...I think thats the first time i've been censored.

I'm fortunate enough to be both fit & healthy and live right by a train station so that getting into town is quicker, easier and cheaper than it is by bus or driving and I can carry my shopping without difficulty but I dread to think how older people, those less physically able or families cope! For all their community support shpiel they really do people no favours!

Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees.

An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened.

Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing.

The petition can be reached on
http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionListDisplay.a
spx?bcr=1&HPID=59884
54&$LO$=1

Why should Christmas be given any special consideration?? It's just another consumerist-capitali
st frenzy of gluttony.
Who cares about Christmas shoppers anyway? Turn the hoses on them I say!

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees.

An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened.

Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing.

The petition can be reached on
http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionListDisplay.a

spx?bcr=1&HPID=5
9884
54&$LO$=1

Don't be so melodramatic. I know this is a city of drama queens, but honestly there is no need to go over the top!

They should double the parking fees on the run up to Christmas, so the rest of us can do our shopping fume free!

In all my years living in Brighton I have never seen so many business closed down and shops with court order notices in their windows.
I see more parking wardens than I do police daily. The carparks cost nearly a days wage to use. Their are more and more agreesive homeless on the streets than ever before.
Please tell my why we put up with this!
Ps. I am moving out of Brighton next year as this town is very very restrictive and costly to live in.

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees.

An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened.

Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing.

The petition can be reached on
http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionListDisplay.a

spx?bcr=1&HPID=5
9884
54&$LO$=1

When will it be appearing. Are you organising anything to perhaps get up to the 1250 signatures more quickly - perhaps a stand at Churchill Square or somewhere. If so how do people get involved to help? Are paper petitions also valid to supplement the online one?

Dezire wrote:
In all my years living in Brighton I have never seen so many business closed down and shops with court order notices in their windows.
I see more parking wardens than I do police daily. The carparks cost nearly a days wage to use. Their are more and more agreesive homeless on the streets than ever before.
Please tell my why we put up with this!
Ps. I am moving out of Brighton next year as this town is very very restrictive and costly to live in.

1. Blame the Tories and Labour Economic policies. Do you ever get out of Brighton...its nationwide.

2. Better have a word.. sounds like your employer is breaking the law and paying you less than the minimum wage.

3. See 1. Also I'm afraid you find the homeless in desirable places.. they do not all get on the train to Wigan for some reason!

4. That is a good idea. If you don't like a place... move to somewhere you like.

There is only one reason for congestion and that is the ridiculous road schemes implemented in this city. now there are 4 traffic light schemes within 100 yards on the seafront by the west pier. where traffic mainly flowed now it is always congested due to stationary traffic. The Greens will proclaim congestion is going up and they are the reason. with seven dials planned to reduce lanes and the lewes road bus lane, if the opposition do not step in there will be no city. I have not shopped in brighton now for ages, it is no fun no matter how you travel anymore.

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5
9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts.

You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame.

Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous
This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars.
We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

wole wrote:
This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous
This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars.
We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

hmmm.. you sound like a reasonable, pleasant person.

that was sarcasm by the way.

That's strange. I purposely don't come into Brighton in December because it's too busy - it's absolute mayhem. But apparently, this year, because car parking charges aren't being decreased for Christmas it will be empty.

Funny, Labour weren't in such a festive spirit a few years ago http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/4820850.B
righton_and_Hove_par
king_wardens_out_on_
Boxing_Day/

Dezire wrote:
In all my years living in Brighton I have never seen so many business closed down and shops with court order notices in their windows. I see more parking wardens than I do police daily. The carparks cost nearly a days wage to use. Their are more and more agreesive homeless on the streets than ever before. Please tell my why we put up with this! Ps. I am moving out of Brighton next year as this town is very very restrictive and costly to live in.

Good luck to you; apparently there is a recession on and B&H is doing better than most places. Try up north and see how many empty shops are in those towns.

bug eye wrote:
There is only one reason for congestion and that is the ridiculous road schemes implemented in this city. now there are 4 traffic light schemes within 100 yards on the seafront by the west pier. where traffic mainly flowed now it is always congested due to stationary traffic. The Greens will proclaim congestion is going up and they are the reason. with seven dials planned to reduce lanes and the lewes road bus lane, if the opposition do not step in there will be no city. I have not shopped in brighton now for ages, it is no fun no matter how you travel anymore.

There are a couple of reasons that strike me as causing congestion, namely too many vehicles in a city devloped during the days of horse and cart and the tendancy for people to buy ever bigger cars.

I can't think of a time when it was fun to drive to B&H certainly not the last 15years or so since I first drove here.

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5

9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts.

You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame.

Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

1) They were not at the ridiculous high levels they are now. £3.50 to park for ten minutes in London Road. £9.50 to park for two hours in the North Lanes. Only rich Green people can afford this not the rest of us.

2) A small rise in council tax would no doubt have been used to fund more stupid projects - not cut parking charges.

Surely not! wrote:

wole wrote: This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars. We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

hmmm.. you sound like a reasonable, pleasant person. that was sarcasm by the way.

Lowest form of wit.

Kate234 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts. You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame. Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

1) They were not at the ridiculous high levels they are now. £3.50 to park for ten minutes in London Road. £9.50 to park for two hours in the North Lanes. Only rich Green people can afford this not the rest of us. 2) A small rise in council tax would no doubt have been used to fund more stupid projects - not cut parking charges.

I know this seems amazing but apparently not everyone is glued to their car or indeed owns one. Since the charges increased there has been no collapse in B&H and only last month the jobless figures went down despite all the froth in this paper. It would seem to me that many journies have no or little economic benefit and often put off those that do.

By the way, personally I think the charging should be reviewed and is too expensive but a lot of people doth protest toooooo much.

A small rise in council tax may have saved some toilets, mobile library and subsidied bus routes. Still, this is all quite possibly irrelevant due to the forthcoming imposed government cuts (Argus when are you going to get Dawn Barnett commenting on the cuts? Oh and don't forget Steve from the parking protest). You didn't vote for the Tories did you?

roast wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

wole wrote: This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars. We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

hmmm.. you sound like a reasonable, pleasant person. that was sarcasm by the way.

Lowest form of wit.

twit

wole wrote:
This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous
This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars.
We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

Such a good post my friend.Its time the good people did something about it now.

Freeloaders wrote:

wole wrote:
This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous
This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars.
We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

Such a good post my friend.Its time the good people did something about it now.

I have never found that people who describe other people as 'bits of filth' are the good people. in fact they often remind me of the people who they describe in such a way.

Surely not! wrote:

Freeloaders wrote:

wole wrote: This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars. We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

Such a good post my friend.Its time the good people did something about it now.

I have never found that people who describe other people as 'bits of filth' are the good people. in fact they often remind me of the people who they describe in such a way.

Surely not!?

This will be the last Christmas that the people of Brighton will have to suffer a Marxist, ultra-politically correct Green council; they'll be gone by this time next year...

As Fiveways residents it doesn't worry us - we don't pay the parking charges (or the sky-high in-city bus fares) anyway. We'll carry on doing the 'shopping shuttle' (which involves four car journeys rather than two).

I feel sorry for visitors, but until sanity returns there are other places to go to.

Christmas is cancelled. I'm moving to Crawley, I hear it is lovely there this time of year as they benefit from increased global warming linked to the higher emissions in the area.

Who's with me?

Whet to Westfield shopping centre in london, they normally charge £18 parking up to four hours but now reduced to £2.50 for two hours or maximum charge of £5 for all day parking and this is in central London.
Brighton council is just a rip of and pathetic excuses by the Green Party.

Surely not! wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

Don't be so melodramatic. I know this is a city of drama queens, but honestly there is no need to go over the top!

Do you run a business in the city?

Kate234 wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

When will it be appearing. Are you organising anything to perhaps get up to the 1250 signatures more quickly - perhaps a stand at Churchill Square or somewhere. If so how do people get involved to help? Are paper petitions also valid to supplement the online one?

Paper ones are permitted but must be the same title. Registering online for the B&H website is a total pain but please do persist.

Dealing with idiots wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

Don't be so melodramatic. I know this is a city of drama queens, but honestly there is no need to go over the top!

Do you run a business in the city?

Yes.

Kate234 wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

When will it be appearing. Are you organising anything to perhaps get up to the 1250 signatures more quickly - perhaps a stand at Churchill Square or somewhere. If so how do people get involved to help? Are paper petitions also valid to supplement the online one?

Paper ones are permitted but must be the same title. Registering online for the B&H website is a total pain but please do persist. Mark Wall who deals with this kind of petition is away today at a conference but hopefully it will be up and running by Tuesday next week. If you want to contact me direct please set up a new gmail account and post on here.

billy goat-gruff wrote:
They should double the parking fees on the run up to Christmas, so the rest of us can do our shopping fume free!

Then the city will be shop free Billy Bob.

wole wrote:
This should not be only at Christmas, it should be all the year round as the price of parking is utterly outrageous This council are utterly out of their tiny little heads and in particular Kitcat and Lucas. I guarantee these two cretins have their free parking stickers in the windows of their used vegetable oil run cars. We all need to get together and sign this petition and finally get rid of these bits of filth that have ruined this town.

I may be wrong but I am led to believe that the dear Dr has a Landrover.

but really so what.. I live in the city my family lives in the city. I am neither rich nor poor. There are plenty of people trying to rip me off, mostly the people you are trying to enlist the support of... the Labour and Conservative Parties. This parking nonsense has been going on for years... long before the Greens arrived. It is boring and stupid..this is the 21st century. Things are going to change. I am sure you don't like it but frankly so what. You have no right to cheap parking in the city centre. The council has a duty to maximise revenues from parking and would be foolish not too. and believe me the Tories and Labour will do and have done the same. Its the market. As a business person you should understand that.

Dealing with idiots wrote:

billy goat-gruff wrote:
They should double the parking fees on the run up to Christmas, so the rest of us can do our shopping fume free!

Then the city will be shop free Billy Bob.

Simplistic nonsense... of course it won't be.

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts. You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame. Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

HJ, that may be the plan for Labour and the Conservatives but I for one am saying no and your support is most welcome. As to finding more money.
1. Get the visitors in quick, give them a good time and take the cash. Those in cars have more cash so............
2. Have a proper Film Liaison unit in the city rather than the laughable Visit Brighton Dept. We loose work to Eastboourne all the time.
3. Sponsorship of events, buildings etc

Im sure a bright person like you could come up with other money making schemes.

It may not be 50 million but rather than crying about it lets get working.

Thank you for all the positive feedback, much appreciated. To those who don't agree with me set up a counter petition' Oo the greens are lovely and they are doing a fine job'. Lets see who gets the most votes.

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Thank you for all the positive feedback, much appreciated. To those who don't agree with me set up a counter petition' Oo the greens are lovely and they are doing a fine job'. Lets see who gets the most votes.

Childish playground response. I see a future in politics for you!

Surely not! wrote:
but really so what.. I live in the city my family lives in the city. I am neither rich nor poor. There are plenty of people trying to rip me off, mostly the people you are trying to enlist the support of... the Labour and Conservative Parties. This parking nonsense has been going on for years... long before the Greens arrived. It is boring and stupid..this is the 21st century. Things are going to change. I am sure you don't like it but frankly so what. You have no right to cheap parking in the city centre. The council has a duty to maximise revenues from parking and would be foolish not too. and believe me the Tories and Labour will do and have done the same. Its the market. As a business person you should understand that.

Totally agree. It's merely (ha!) a matter of getting a balance. Currently that hasn't been achieved and is made worse by the fact that if the parking increases were to 'reduce congestion' that has been, and will be, offset by the traffic flow changes which have been designed to choke roads. In other words the higher parking charges may be deterring poorer motorists, but we don't see any reduction in traffic or congestion because of reduced road space.

You are correct that neither Tory or, sadly, Labour, have been any better when they've been in power

PS - and of course residents like me adding to the congestion by doing four car journeys whereas I would happily use the bus if the fares were reasonable.

I couldn't give two hoots. Since I discovered the joy of online shopping (Amazon, anyone?), I save loads on the deals to be had, don't suffer the stresses and strains of fighting my way through the frenzied masses, can sit with a nice cold beer whilst checking out reviews etc, and have it all delivered to my door - usually free of charge.
You want progress? That's the way to go.
Enjoy your frustrating and expensive trips (however you get there) into town - I look forward to reading your rants about your experiences.
*slurp*

We seem to have strayed from specific point of the article here...

1) The issue is that our "competitor" towns ARE reducing car parking charges for Christmas (whether we like it or not).
2) Some (of course not all) people will be attracted to those towns accordingly (or they wouldn't be doing it)
3) Yes, people will still come to Brighton, but if a single family chooses Crawley instead then that means a few £100's of spending has been lost from local businesses.
4) Similarly if a shopper now spends 50% in Crawley (for high street stuff)and 50% in Brighton's "unique" shops, that's still 50% lost from Brighton's tills.
5) These headlines about £3.50 per hour parking are true for some street parking and some car parks. The reality is that you CAN park for £1/hr or £2/hr hour in the London Rd car park (http://www.brighton
-hove.gov.uk/index.c
fm?request=c1247116) or £2 for 2hr in Trafalgar St (http://www.brighton
-hove.gov.uk/index.c
fm?request=c1247095)
, but this is right next to the £3.50/hr on-street meters.

The problem is lack of consistency in pricing across the city and lack of promotion of the more sensible/lower priced options that are actually available.

All potential visitors hear about is the "headline" high charges in Brighton and are then understandably put off from visiting.

As a business owner too, I have been told quite specifically by acquaintances in villages like Cowfold and Steyning that they no longer come to Brighton - trains and buses are simply not viable options for them unless you wish to sit on a bus for two hours or drive to Haywards Heath or Shoreham to park and then get on a train.

The council needs to promote the cheap car parks - and fill them with shoppers, giving them the extra revenue to put on a free park-and-ride from the Amex stadium (from the East) every day until Christmas,when there's no match being played; from Shoreham airport (from the West), where there's lots of empty tarmac to park on and from Mill Road (from the North), which can be closed with no effect on traffic.

Plenty of parking spaces, less congestion on the inner city roads, more shoppers spending in our town instead of the clone towns..

Job done.

Anyone listening?

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5
9884 54&$LO$=1

Good on you

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5 9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts. You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame. Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

Are you paid by the greens?

I would like to know whose idea it was to employ wardens on Christmas Day and introduce fees.

rolivan wrote:
I would like to know whose idea it was to employ wardens on Christmas Day and introduce fees.

Me too, its absolute genius and we should say thank you.

Surely not! wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote: Thank you for all the positive feedback, much appreciated. To those who don't agree with me set up a counter petition' Oo the greens are lovely and they are doing a fine job'. Lets see who gets the most votes.

Childish playground response. I see a future in politics for you!

Get petitioning Surely, school time was a long time ago real world now, real lives.

I love the high prices, makes it easier for me to park!!!!!!

Kate234 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5


9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts.

You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame.

Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

1) They were not at the ridiculous high levels they are now. £3.50 to park for ten minutes in London Road. £9.50 to park for two hours in the North Lanes. Only rich Green people can afford this not the rest of us.

2) A small rise in council tax would no doubt have been used to fund more stupid projects - not cut parking charges.

North Lanes?

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

rolivan wrote:
I would like to know whose idea it was to employ wardens on Christmas Day and introduce fees.

Me too, its absolute genius and we should say thank you.

They don't work on Christmas Day!

The Greens came to Brighton from London where they had to live in Peckham or Brent because they couldn't afford to live in Greenwich, Islington or Dulwich.
They moved to B&H, the destination where these middle-class hopefuls wanted to create their own little Dulwich.
They stood for election to finalise their plan to eradicate the poor and the working class from the city and replace them with their own kind, those whose parents give them a deposit on a nice Regency home, pay off their student loans and where they have a rich partner to fund them as they work on their plan to cleanse the city of locals, the kind who work from home and live in the Regency mile. They sit and dictate from their ivory towers that the poor should not have new kitchens or windows but solar panels for the sake of the nation with their selflessness helping add power to the National Grid, and that only the rich should be allowed to drive and park in town, and that the quaint minority groups such as Spanish anti-capitalists can park up outside our centres of tourism, the Royal Pavilion, and that although the party does not want its people to eat meat, they will be kind and allow a farmers' market until we are ready for the next step of denouncing meat eating.
Today, we shall not buy our daughters pink bikes because it will turn them into pointless women without ambition because only women who emulate men will be successful and women must resist the temptation to be female as this leads to failure, thou shalt not send children to faith schools as they are cults, the only faith you must have is devotion to the party and only the party.
Remember Green legs good red and blue legs bad.
Welcome to Green SIM city.

Typical of the money grabbing council,i thought they supposed to be our servants and carry out our wishes(does it go towards their Christmas bonuses)oh they dont get bonuses perhaps pays for a bit more for expenses.At least proper crooks wear masks.

The Parking charges are killing this City. I love brighton but if I need the car I have to go out of town as I will not pay the charges to park. The Green Hippys are killing Brighton. If they don't do something soon the place wil become a ghost town. Vote them out !!!!!!!

The Parking charges are killing this City. I love brighton but if I need the car I have to go out of town as I will not pay the charges to park. The Green Hippys are killing Brighton. If they don't do something soon the place wil become a ghost town. Vote them out !!!!!!!

Go to Eastbourne or better still Worthing it has free parking for 2hrs and you can park for free after 4pm in certain car parks.Definately free after 6pm.So park up at 4pm and then no worries.

kitkat and lucas couldn't run a bath. this ludicrous idea will kill shopping in brighton in the run up to christmas.

The Council should be doing everything it can to support the economic life of the city, and at this time of year that means bringing shoppers in, and that (whatever they think) means making the city car friendly.

No worries BHCC! It's cheaper to drive to and pay for parking to Worthing, Eastbourne or Crawley and am sure they are grateful for the business!!!

no surprises there.mind you they need all your cash to pay for the repainting of all the illegally marked parking bays throughout bm postcode area!!! ho ho ho

EXSTREMIST MINORITY PARTY......

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The Greens came to Brighton from London where they had to live in Peckham or Brent because they couldn't afford to live in Greenwich, Islington or Dulwich.
They moved to B&H, the destination where these middle-class hopefuls wanted to create their own little Dulwich.
They stood for election to finalise their plan to eradicate the poor and the working class from the city and replace them with their own kind, those whose parents give them a deposit on a nice Regency home, pay off their student loans and where they have a rich partner to fund them as they work on their plan to cleanse the city of locals, the kind who work from home and live in the Regency mile. They sit and dictate from their ivory towers that the poor should not have new kitchens or windows but solar panels for the sake of the nation with their selflessness helping add power to the National Grid, and that only the rich should be allowed to drive and park in town, and that the quaint minority groups such as Spanish anti-capitalists can park up outside our centres of tourism, the Royal Pavilion, and that although the party does not want its people to eat meat, they will be kind and allow a farmers' market until we are ready for the next step of denouncing meat eating.
Today, we shall not buy our daughters pink bikes because it will turn them into pointless women without ambition because only women who emulate men will be successful and women must resist the temptation to be female as this leads to failure, thou shalt not send children to faith schools as they are cults, the only faith you must have is devotion to the party and only the party.
Remember Green legs good red and blue legs bad.
Welcome to Green SIM city.

You become more deluded by the day. You really do have to get out of Coombe Rd more.

I should think the Greens have more members in B&H than all the other political parties put together. These are local people, many born and bred in the city and who come from all sorts of backgrounds both social and financial and unlike you and many others here want positive change. All you and others can moan and deride any sort of progress as if we already live in some sort of paradise!

I think class is quite an outdated and innacurate concept generally, however following your logic, you should be voting green as you clearly fit in the "middle class".

Demographics is the new word for class HJarrs.
Anyway, I was at a business lunch in the town last week and the councils reputation among key players is 'mud'.
Never has there been so much astonishment, anger and contempt for a party since Thatcher in the 1980s.
Apparently the businesses aren't event engaging with the council anymore and are going it alone.
The one thing the council has done has unified the city in knowing what it doesn't want and that's a party without any business experience or social understanding or conscience.

and what positives have you delivered HJarrs.
More queues of traffic on the Lewes Road, a new car park, a shortfall of almost £1 million in parking revenue which no doubt your irresponsible party members will ask the electorate to fill the shortfall, a dreadfully under performing recycling service, a planning department which sends letters out stating that it can only work with conservation areas due to lack of resource, old folks homes and kids services being cut while your colleagues fiddle about installing the new 'hill' bike lane on the Lewes Road. Yes wait until you see what the idiots have done HJarrs.
We will no longer be cycling on the flat.
Open your eyes, question, challenge.
The first rule of business management is that if you stop doing the above you become part of a problem.

bug eye wrote:
There is only one reason for congestion and that is the ridiculous road schemes implemented in this city. now there are 4 traffic light schemes within 100 yards on the seafront by the west pier. where traffic mainly flowed now it is always congested due to stationary traffic. The Greens will proclaim congestion is going up and they are the reason. with seven dials planned to reduce lanes and the lewes road bus lane, if the opposition do not step in there will be no city. I have not shopped in brighton now for ages, it is no fun no matter how you travel anymore.

Having lived in Brighton for years, the only time I can remember the sea front traffic flowing was just after the by-pass was built, but the novelty of that soon wore of and the sea front became congested again.

Of course we could dig out the "Breeze into Brighton" campaign and carve up the city for a straight road for cars to get directly to the sea front? Or we could accept that we live in a charming city built on the medieval field system and that we cannot cope with all these cars.

According to the latest footfall figures, town centre numbers are down 2% on last year, which were 2% down on the year before. Clearly people are voting with their feet and this policy needs to change before Brighton becomes another Margate.

Surely not! wrote:

Dezire wrote:
In all my years living in Brighton I have never seen so many business closed down and shops with court order notices in their windows.
I see more parking wardens than I do police daily. The carparks cost nearly a days wage to use. Their are more and more agreesive homeless on the streets than ever before.
Please tell my why we put up with this!
Ps. I am moving out of Brighton next year as this town is very very restrictive and costly to live in.

1. Blame the Tories and Labour Economic policies. Do you ever get out of Brighton...its nationwide.

2. Better have a word.. sounds like your employer is breaking the law and paying you less than the minimum wage.

3. See 1. Also I'm afraid you find the homeless in desirable places.. they do not all get on the train to Wigan for some reason!

4. That is a good idea. If you don't like a place... move to somewhere you like.

Surely you are truly a short-sighted ignoramus, aren't you? You really do make pathetic comments.

Surely not! wrote:
d a m n ...I think thats the first time i've been censored.

pity you were not ,i earn good money but refuse to pay over the odds to park my cars in the town centre ,i don t have any outstanding bills to pay or up too my neck in debt but also wont be ripped off by a council hell bent on milking the city dry ,and i don t do public transport ,i earn my money so i will choose how i spend it

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
This will be the last Christmas that the people of Brighton will have to suffer a Marxist, ultra-politically correct Green council; they'll be gone by this time next year...

one can only live me hope

Regrettably we have another two years of the raving loonies. However by Tuesday there will be an e-petition on the Brighton and Hove council website asking for Labour and Conservatives to initiate a vote of no confidence in the Green administration and to form a coalition. We only need 1250 signatures for this to go before full council. Remember they work for us. They just need reminding with a big stick.

rolivan wrote:
I would like to know whose idea it was to employ wardens on Christmas Day and introduce fees.

Ummm they dont no Wardens will be working xmas day they never have and never thats just more green bull to scare you into paying on xmas day.

Greens have ruined Brighton.Need to move away.Had enough of working in Brighton.Now they want to get rid of Council tax discounts for single people/students no doubt pensioners will suffer.20 mph limit nonsense.Traffic lights every 50 yards.Parking charges/gridlock/cyc
le/bus lanes/street drinkers.What are they doing ?oh of course its the same old story.Make as much money as you can whilst you can.4years is it?Doesnt take long to ruin a once great city.

This is hilarious. Absolutely priceless. So, Greens won in an election of all residents and a few manical bad losers get together and expect that with 1250 votes on an e-petition, somehow the Greens can be kicked out! Yeah, that's how democracy works. A whole town votes in a party, but then if you gather 1250 signatures, you can force them out again. Then a new party comes in and the people opposed to that raise 1250 signatures and get them kicked out. Repeat to fade.

Deluded fools.

Greens won. Did you get this stroppy when you finished 3rd in the egg and spoon race at your school sports day?

It really is laughable

Drove past Chichester this morning and saw a sign advertising free parking with free park and ride to the city centre.
If Chichester can do this why can't Brighton and Hove ?

johnboy1 wrote:
This is hilarious. Absolutely priceless. So, Greens won in an election of all residents and a few manical bad losers get together and expect that with 1250 votes on an e-petition, somehow the Greens can be kicked out! Yeah, that's how democracy works. A whole town votes in a party, but then if you gather 1250 signatures, you can force them out again. Then a new party comes in and the people opposed to that raise 1250 signatures and get them kicked out. Repeat to fade.

Deluded fools.

Greens won. Did you get this stroppy when you finished 3rd in the egg and spoon race at your school sports day?

It really is laughable

Priceless.No party has ever been as bad as this one.From memory e used to complain about Planter/Bodfish but they were far better than this lot.

Joshiman wrote:

johnboy1 wrote:
This is hilarious. Absolutely priceless. So, Greens won in an election of all residents and a few manical bad losers get together and expect that with 1250 votes on an e-petition, somehow the Greens can be kicked out! Yeah, that's how democracy works. A whole town votes in a party, but then if you gather 1250 signatures, you can force them out again. Then a new party comes in and the people opposed to that raise 1250 signatures and get them kicked out. Repeat to fade.

Deluded fools.

Greens won. Did you get this stroppy when you finished 3rd in the egg and spoon race at your school sports day?

It really is laughable

Priceless.No party has ever been as bad as this one.From memory e used to complain about Planter/Bodfish but they were far better than this lot.

Correction. You have never disagreed with a party as much as this one. There is a big difference.

And given the Argus is dominated by right-leaning nutjobs, you have gained the perception that your opinion is endorsed by all the world. It isn't. It's endorsed by other people like you. There's a large portion of people, who you probably don't mix with, who voted Green and think they are doing a good job in difficult circumstances.

That's democracy. You are never going to agree with Green policies because presumably you voted for a completely different ideology. That's life. Get over it.

By the way, I didn't vote Green.

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees.

An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened.

Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing.

The petition can be reached on
http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionListDisplay.a

spx?bcr=1&HPID=5
9884
54&$LO$=1

When will this petition be running?

Labour and the Conservatives need to sort themselves out and stop the mess that the Greens are making of our city now, because by the time of the next election I doubt there will be the money available to sort out their many pet projects that seem to be there solely to aggravate the motorist.

Fairfax Sakes wrote:
Why should Christmas be given any special consideration?? It's just another consumerist-capitali

st frenzy of gluttony.
Who cares about Christmas shoppers anyway? Turn the hoses on them I say!

Thanks for your input Buzz Killington...

Ah there are loads of places to park at £1 hour, you just have to use your wee leggies a little bit. I think we should all cycle in on our pink or blue (but definitely not green) bikes!!

Tedious Pedant wrote:

Kate234 wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Enough is enough. We need to rid ourselves of this bunch of amateurs before they bring the city to its knees. An e- petition will shortly be appearing on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. We are asking the opposition parties to bring forward a vote of no confidence on the current administration and to form a coalition until the next local elections. If we can get 1250+ signatures then the matter has to be discussed at a meeting of full council. We would prefer it if an emergency meeting of council was convened. Labour and Conservatives, please put down your cudgels, think about the people of the city and how they will view you if you merely sit and wait for the Greens to implode and then hope to pick up their votes. Geofrey and Gill we are waiting for you to do the right thing. The petition can be reached on http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionListDisplay.a spx?bcr=1&HPID=5



9884 54&$LO$=1

He, he. I'll sign it. Lets see how the Conlabourtives get on over the next 2 years with £50 million of government cuts.

You seem to have missed the plan...Greens in when savage cuts must be made...let them take the blame.

Of course I would have some sympathy if Warren or Geoffrey's parties had reduced Xmas parking fees when they were in power. Anybody remember that happening? Not me. Also Warren or Geoffrey's parties colluded to block a small rise in council tax last year that would have given some room to manouvre on parking fees and to avoid some cuts already made.

1) They were not at the ridiculous high levels they are now. £3.50 to park for ten minutes in London Road. £9.50 to park for two hours in the North Lanes. Only rich Green people can afford this not the rest of us.

2) A small rise in council tax would no doubt have been used to fund more stupid projects - not cut parking charges.

North Lanes?

Did you bother to read my post and the others that have also mentioned confirming you can park in central Brighton for £1 or £2 per hour in London Rd or Trafalgar Street car parks?

Why all the headlines about £3.50 or £5.00? Why not headlines from the Argus about the CHEAP parking in Brighton??? Why not stories helping local businesses instead of fuelling negativity?

Presumably because this "have your say" would not then attract any posts!