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Brighton and Hove city centre to become 20mph zone

The Argus: Plans are afoot to make Brighton and Hove a 20mph city Plans are afoot to make Brighton and Hove a 20mph city

Brighton and Hove looks set to become a 20mph zone. Town hall chiefs say it will make streets safer, reduce accidents, improve air quality and push people towards biking and walking. Others have raised fears it will also increase congestion and make journeys longer. Tim Ridgway and Ben Leo report.

The centre of Brighton and Hove is expected to become a 20mph zone next year as part of a £1.5million plan.

A Brighton and Hove City Council transport committee will next week vote on recommendations to press ahead with the first phase in the groundbreaking plan to cut speeds.

The move follows a city-wide consultation, with 55% supporting the plan - and 45% against.

The local authority says this is a “clear majority” in favour, allowing it to push ahead with the plan, beginning with the city centre.

If successful, the local authority hopes to extend it to outlying areas of the city over the coming years.

Ian Davey, chairman of the council’s transport committee, said: “The idea is to improve safety and quality of life for residents and those who live in, or visit, the city.

“We are not talking about a citywide blanket 20mph ban, the emphasis is on residential and shopping areas, excluding main routes in and out of the city and across the city.”

A decision on the first phase will be taken at the council’s transport committee meeting on November 27 in Hove Town Hall.

If approved, the local authority will formally advertise the speed limit changes and they could be introduced next year.

First stretch

The first planned zone will stretch from Sackville Road in Hove to Freshfield Road in Brighton. The border in the north will be Old Shoreham Road and New England Road.

None of those roads, or the A259 coastal road, will be included.

The council has so far failed to produce a list of roads which will be included in the 20mph, raising concerns among opposition councillors about a “blanket ban”.

Conservative councillor Graham Cox said he would be seeking clarification on whether main thoroughfares such as Davigdor Road were included.

Coun Cox said: “I think there’s a need in residential roads and near schools but not a blanket ban across the city.

“In some respects I’m quite glad they are starting off in the most obvious area: the city centre.”

Labour councillor Alan Robins said: “Although we support 20mph zones in principle and want to see them implemented in those neighbourhoods currently suffering from speeding and rat-running traffic, we do have significant concerns with what is being proposed by the Greens, which is a blanket approach that includes some arterial roads across the city.”

Journey times

Roger French, of Brighton and Hove Bus Company, said there were some concerns about journey times being affected during early mornings and at night.

Mr French said: “During the day it will not really affect us. But when there is less traffic on the road we build that into the timetables “The restrictions will mean we will have to add more time to get from the start to the end of the route.”

He added this could mean there would be fewer buses on the road.

Mick Hildreth, of the Brighton and Hove taxi section of GMB union, said: “Why has the council not consulted us or the local Taxi Trade Forum representatives?

“With more than 1,800 licensed drivers the stakeholders in our industry have a vital role to play with respect to consultations of this kind.

“I would request this issue is suspended until consultation with the taxi trade is completed.”

When asked about it increasing congestion and journey times, Coun Davey said: “We want to keep the city moving.”

He added evidence from other areas had shown there had not been a negative impact.

Close monitoring

Coun Davey said: “We do understand people’s concerns and if the first phase goes ahead in the city centre we will monitor it closely and keep it under review.”

It comes after the local authority introduced two 20mph speed limit areas earlier this year near schools in Brighton and Portslade village. The council say no accidents have been recorded in these two areas since.

Sussex Police, which didn’t lodge an objection during the consultation, said it would only support 20mph speed limits when they were self-enforcing.

They said they expected there would be “sufficient traffic calming measures in place to ensure that average speeds are kept low” but would not actively enforce the new limit.

Public consultations for the plans were held between June and August this year.

Brighton and Hove City Council sent out 10,000 surveys to randomly selected businesses and residents across the city as well as holding three day exhibitions at both Brighton and Hove town halls. Out of the 10,000 surveys sent, the council received a response from 3,689 individuals - or 37%.

Public response

The council said the ‘clear majority’ of responses, 55%, were in favour of the proposals.

The majority of support came from parents, those with disabilities and the elderly. Business owners and managers showed the least support.

Objectors to the proposals cited various reasons, including eight percent who only wanted a 20 mph zone enforced in certain areas such as schools, shops and play areas as opposed to a blanket reduction.

Another eight percent of respondents had concerns that the new limit would not be enforced.

Seven percent feared the changes would lead to increased traffic congestion while another seven percent were concerned about the cost of the scheme.

Six percent thought the new limit would lead to increased emissions and pollution and the final six percent thought the changes would lead to increased journey times.

Healthier

The council suggested it was likely the scheme would encourage people to make “healthier active travel choices”, such as walking and cycling.

The overall cost of the project is expected to be around £1.5m but Brighton and Hove City Council say the figure will be reviewed on an annual basis.

A 20mph scheme in London has proved successful in the fight to reduce road traffic casualties.

In a report by the British Medical Journal in 2009, the implementation of 20mph zones on selected roads from 1986-2006 cut crashes which led to injuries by more than 40%.

The report found the number of children seriously injured or killed on the road had been halved and that only one in 40 pedestrians were killed in a collision in a 20 mph zone. That compared with one in five for a collision in a 30 mph zone.

Cyclist injuries were also reduced by 17%.

Self-enforcing

Neil Hopkins, spokesman for the Sussex Safer Roads partnership, said: “The Sussex Safer Roads Partnership support the view that 20mph speed limits are community sponsored initiatives and as such, the community should play a major part in reducing speed and influencing their own behaviours.

“The limits are designed to be self-enforcing, which will be achieved when any proposed 20mph limit is appropriate for the road where mean speeds are already low and correctly implemented, with that support from the local community. “

He said that “engineering measures” – such as road bumps and chicanes - should be used if drivers do not cut their speed.

Should the plans be given the go-ahead on November 27, the changes would be phased in starting from the city centre outwards.

Going slow

  • Government figures for congestion on A-roads shows the average speed of traffic in Brighton and Hove is less than 18mph.
  • According to the latest figures from the Department for Transport, in May this year the average speed on the streets of Brighton and Hove was 17.7mph.
  • Speeds have fluctuated over the last few years, peaking at 18.8mph in August 2009, and not dipping lower than 17mph since November 2006.

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3:37pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Baffled of Brighton says...

Why not 25mph?
Why not 25mph? Baffled of Brighton
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3:41pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Joshiman says...

Here we go again.Will this apply to cyclists as well. ?
Here we go again.Will this apply to cyclists as well. ? Joshiman
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3:46pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Kate234 says...

Mick Hildreth, of the Brighton and Hove taxi section of GMB union, said: “Why has the council not consulted us or the local Taxi Trade Forum representatives?

That's obvious because the council don't care about your opinion. I wouldn't worry about. It is self-enforcing so if you don't like it don't do it.
Mick Hildreth, of the Brighton and Hove taxi section of GMB union, said: “Why has the council not consulted us or the local Taxi Trade Forum representatives? That's obvious because the council don't care about your opinion. I wouldn't worry about. It is self-enforcing so if you don't like it don't do it. Kate234
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3:51pm Sat 24 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
[quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes. HJarrs
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4:04pm Sat 24 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

I hope this will stop motorists using the Old Steine as a Grand Prix circuit but I doubt it. Most drive way over the 30mph limit as it is
I hope this will stop motorists using the Old Steine as a Grand Prix circuit but I doubt it. Most drive way over the 30mph limit as it is leobrighton
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4:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Cyril Bolleaux says...

This is the same Council that is against "criminalising" squatters but is quite happy to criminalise motorists. This is what happens when doctrinaire extremists get into power. Let us hope we here no more nonsense about "cuts" when they clearly have plenty of money to fund their gesture politics.
This is the same Council that is against "criminalising" squatters but is quite happy to criminalise motorists. This is what happens when doctrinaire extremists get into power. Let us hope we here no more nonsense about "cuts" when they clearly have plenty of money to fund their gesture politics. Cyril Bolleaux
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4:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Cold cold ground says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
My road is Hartington Road. we have an old peoples home and a junior school on it. We also have had a 20 MPH speed limit in force for a long time.There are massive "20"'s painted on the road, signs everywhere saying 20! We have the speed bumps that are just in the middle of the road it is also a rat run. I reckon some cars can get up to 50 maybe more coming up or down our street. Some of them are going so fast that their exhausts clash with the top of the speed bumps that are in the middle of the road.I wish the council well with this initiative and good luck, but I dont think anyone will take notice!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.[/p][/quote]My road is Hartington Road. we have an old peoples home and a junior school on it. We also have had a 20 MPH speed limit in force for a long time.There are massive "20"'s painted on the road, signs everywhere saying 20! We have the speed bumps that are just in the middle of the road it is also a rat run. I reckon some cars can get up to 50 maybe more coming up or down our street. Some of them are going so fast that their exhausts clash with the top of the speed bumps that are in the middle of the road.I wish the council well with this initiative and good luck, but I dont think anyone will take notice! Cold cold ground
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4:37pm Sat 24 Nov 12

NickBtn says...

This will cost £1.5m. It can't be enforced. Key groups haven't been consulted. Another mess!

So why do it? Well it's a good vanity project for the greens. How about a targeted approach outside schools, heavily residential areas. That way could get cost down to around £1/2m. So £1m saved. That'll help a lot in these pressed times - think how many key services this could deliver

Or spend £1m more on signs that aren't enforceable (or that's what the police say), will increase pollution (yes, studies have shown 20mph pollutes more than 30) and makes using buses less attractive/less frequent

It's really a no brainer to target this and save £1m+

Will this happen - no. Why? The greens aren't listening....

Still only a few years to go of them. The election is at least one that they can't change thanks to their very odd views on statistics!
This will cost £1.5m. It can't be enforced. Key groups haven't been consulted. Another mess! So why do it? Well it's a good vanity project for the greens. How about a targeted approach outside schools, heavily residential areas. That way could get cost down to around £1/2m. So £1m saved. That'll help a lot in these pressed times - think how many key services this could deliver Or spend £1m more on signs that aren't enforceable (or that's what the police say), will increase pollution (yes, studies have shown 20mph pollutes more than 30) and makes using buses less attractive/less frequent It's really a no brainer to target this and save £1m+ Will this happen - no. Why? The greens aren't listening.... Still only a few years to go of them. The election is at least one that they can't change thanks to their very odd views on statistics! NickBtn
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4:42pm Sat 24 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

NickBtn wrote:
This will cost £1.5m. It can't be enforced. Key groups haven't been consulted. Another mess! So why do it? Well it's a good vanity project for the greens. How about a targeted approach outside schools, heavily residential areas. That way could get cost down to around £1/2m. So £1m saved. That'll help a lot in these pressed times - think how many key services this could deliver Or spend £1m more on signs that aren't enforceable (or that's what the police say), will increase pollution (yes, studies have shown 20mph pollutes more than 30) and makes using buses less attractive/less frequent It's really a no brainer to target this and save £1m+ Will this happen - no. Why? The greens aren't listening.... Still only a few years to go of them. The election is at least one that they can't change thanks to their very odd views on statistics!
I rather thought it was targeted to schools and heavily residential areas as that is most of the area covered.

I would agree that there should be some enforcement as there are an irresponsible minority that will flout the rules and should be taken off the road.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: This will cost £1.5m. It can't be enforced. Key groups haven't been consulted. Another mess! So why do it? Well it's a good vanity project for the greens. How about a targeted approach outside schools, heavily residential areas. That way could get cost down to around £1/2m. So £1m saved. That'll help a lot in these pressed times - think how many key services this could deliver Or spend £1m more on signs that aren't enforceable (or that's what the police say), will increase pollution (yes, studies have shown 20mph pollutes more than 30) and makes using buses less attractive/less frequent It's really a no brainer to target this and save £1m+ Will this happen - no. Why? The greens aren't listening.... Still only a few years to go of them. The election is at least one that they can't change thanks to their very odd views on statistics![/p][/quote]I rather thought it was targeted to schools and heavily residential areas as that is most of the area covered. I would agree that there should be some enforcement as there are an irresponsible minority that will flout the rules and should be taken off the road. HJarrs
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4:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

kopite_rob says...

If the current average is 17mph (I'm actually surprised it's that high) then the impact of this will be precisely zero to motorists.
Who are the taxi & bus drivers kidding. They drive way over the limit already, (it's 30mph from Rottingdean to Woodingdean and yet buses and taxis regulary pull away from me) so stop your bitchy girly whining Roger French & the Taxi drivers association. You've already got your own lane. Now respect the same driving laws as everyone else.
If the current average is 17mph (I'm actually surprised it's that high) then the impact of this will be precisely zero to motorists. Who are the taxi & bus drivers kidding. They drive way over the limit already, (it's 30mph from Rottingdean to Woodingdean and yet buses and taxis regulary pull away from me) so stop your bitchy girly whining Roger French & the Taxi drivers association. You've already got your own lane. Now respect the same driving laws as everyone else. kopite_rob
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4:52pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

Well I for opne am looking forward to being able to drive along the A259 at 20mph, beats the snail pace we normally have to travel at.

And if they are relying on the ultra biased car hating questionaire they sent out, I reckon they could say most people wanted cars uninvented and owners to pay for the disposal. Useless minority council without a mandate for all this anti business road destroying actions that will end up costing jobs.
Well I for opne am looking forward to being able to drive along the A259 at 20mph, beats the snail pace we normally have to travel at. And if they are relying on the ultra biased car hating questionaire they sent out, I reckon they could say most people wanted cars uninvented and owners to pay for the disposal. Useless minority council without a mandate for all this anti business road destroying actions that will end up costing jobs. Hove Actually
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4:59pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dave500 says...

1.5 million pounds. Well I reckon that's about the cost of 50 lollipop persons for ten years assuming they get about 3k a year. How many kids will die due to lack of crossing patrols.

20 limits have failed to cut casualties in many areas yet the Argus selectively quotes one in London. What about Portsmouth/
1.5 million pounds. Well I reckon that's about the cost of 50 lollipop persons for ten years assuming they get about 3k a year. How many kids will die due to lack of crossing patrols. 20 limits have failed to cut casualties in many areas yet the Argus selectively quotes one in London. What about Portsmouth/ Dave500
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5:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

BenUk says...

Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour.
seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on
Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour. seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on BenUk
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5:10pm Sat 24 Nov 12

NickBrt says...

Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them.
Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them. NickBrt
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5:43pm Sat 24 Nov 12

inadaptado says...

BenUk wrote:
Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour.
seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on
So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself.
[quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour. seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on[/p][/quote]So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself. inadaptado
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6:13pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Wivvy Dave says...

Joshiman wrote:
Here we go again.Will this apply to cyclists as well. ?
Er yes!! It will apply to road users as it does now. The speed limit is the speed limit ans is mot optional or up for discussion. The problem is that the Police don't enforce it for cyclists who are not required by law to have a speed indication devise fitted to their cycles so they are effectively above the law, as we see daily.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Here we go again.Will this apply to cyclists as well. ?[/p][/quote]Er yes!! It will apply to road users as it does now. The speed limit is the speed limit ans is mot optional or up for discussion. The problem is that the Police don't enforce it for cyclists who are not required by law to have a speed indication devise fitted to their cycles so they are effectively above the law, as we see daily. Wivvy Dave
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6:16pm Sat 24 Nov 12

BenUk says...

inadaptado wrote:
BenUk wrote:
Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour.
seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on
So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself.
when its not rush hour there some speeders very few tho but not that i count as it dont bother me i not one of those sad people who watches and counts how meny are speeding but when its is rush hour you can't speed in my road its like a car park and people park where they want blocking drivways etc, so are they planning to make the city just like this slow moving traffic blocked up road? don't sound much diffrent but worse i can see more traffic jams waiting to happen here, there just a bunch of car haters who cant think of anything better to do.
[quote][p][bold]inadaptado[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour. seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on[/p][/quote]So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself.[/p][/quote]when its not rush hour there some speeders very few tho but not that i count as it dont bother me i not one of those sad people who watches and counts how meny are speeding but when its is rush hour you can't speed in my road its like a car park and people park where they want blocking drivways etc, so are they planning to make the city just like this slow moving traffic blocked up road? don't sound much diffrent but worse i can see more traffic jams waiting to happen here, there just a bunch of car haters who cant think of anything better to do. BenUk
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6:27pm Sat 24 Nov 12

On_the_Level says...

The result of yet another sham consultation
The result of yet another sham consultation On_the_Level
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6:35pm Sat 24 Nov 12

george smith says...

NickBrt wrote:
Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them.
She is becoming more and more outrageous in her extreme views, she isn't doing them any favours appearing to be robotic answer machine. A sort of Fritz Lang Metropolis.
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them.[/p][/quote]She is becoming more and more outrageous in her extreme views, she isn't doing them any favours appearing to be robotic answer machine. A sort of Fritz Lang Metropolis. george smith
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6:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The council has installed a sensor in ladysmith road outside my aunties house.
Apparently the amount and speed of traffic has increased significantly since the Lewes road works so traders and vehicles are using it as a rat run.
My aunt is very elderly and sits in the window watching all day and says huge lorries are now coming through the road to get to bear road. She says one van hit two cars last week hurtling through.
Lets see if the council lie about the sensor results like they lied about the Lewes road consultation.
The council has installed a sensor in ladysmith road outside my aunties house. Apparently the amount and speed of traffic has increased significantly since the Lewes road works so traders and vehicles are using it as a rat run. My aunt is very elderly and sits in the window watching all day and says huge lorries are now coming through the road to get to bear road. She says one van hit two cars last week hurtling through. Lets see if the council lie about the sensor results like they lied about the Lewes road consultation. Maxwell's Ghost
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7:14pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dave At Home says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
It will have little impact on journey times! really? this rule will apply to ALL vehicles including the emergency vehicles, so fire engines and ambulances racing around will be a thing of the past, save road users and kill people in need of treatment and premises on fire... and before you start, even 999 vehicles have to abide by all road rules.

And your other point about speed checks! How do you enforce this then? the speed detection equipment used by the Police will not work under 30mph... it's a pity you don't see the wider picture, but time will prove you wrong.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.[/p][/quote]It will have little impact on journey times! really? this rule will apply to ALL vehicles including the emergency vehicles, so fire engines and ambulances racing around will be a thing of the past, save road users and kill people in need of treatment and premises on fire... and before you start, even 999 vehicles have to abide by all road rules. And your other point about speed checks! How do you enforce this then? the speed detection equipment used by the Police will not work under 30mph... it's a pity you don't see the wider picture, but time will prove you wrong. Dave At Home
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7:35pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Surely not! says...

Oh you sad sad sad people.
Oh you sad sad sad people. Surely not!
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7:44pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Don't worry chaps. The e-petition calling for a vote of no confidence and the formation of a coalition to run the city will be up and running on the B&H website by Tuesday. All we need are 1250 signatures but the more the merrier. 20 mph on side streets but on main thoroughfares no, no, no silly Kitty and friends.
Don't worry chaps. The e-petition calling for a vote of no confidence and the formation of a coalition to run the city will be up and running on the B&H website by Tuesday. All we need are 1250 signatures but the more the merrier. 20 mph on side streets but on main thoroughfares no, no, no silly Kitty and friends. Dealing with idiots
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8:26pm Sat 24 Nov 12

HJarrs says...

NickBrt wrote:
Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them.
Yawn
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: Will this apply to the greens favourite people, the Travellers? it's just that when they're living in the Lewes Road parks they whizz their 4 by 4s down lewes road to the shops and laundrettes, park on cycle lanes and double yellow lines outside for hours at a time and nothing happens to them. I am sure Hjarrs will now tell me i am racist for even mentioning them.[/p][/quote]Yawn HJarrs
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8:26pm Sat 24 Nov 12

tekniko says...

I wouldn't recommend driving more than 20mph anyway, the road surfaces are so bad in Brighton (even on the main routes) you will pay in car repairs in the end.
I wouldn't recommend driving more than 20mph anyway, the road surfaces are so bad in Brighton (even on the main routes) you will pay in car repairs in the end. tekniko
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8:57pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
According to the green party's very own 'village idiot'
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.[/p][/quote]According to the green party's very own 'village idiot' Somethingsarejustwrong
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9:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

gingersandy38 says...

would like to think the 20mph speed limit would make a difference. I live on the Meadowview estate and we have a 20 mph speed limit. But some of the vehicles which drive on the estate do not adhere to the speed limit.
would like to think the 20mph speed limit would make a difference. I live on the Meadowview estate and we have a 20 mph speed limit. But some of the vehicles which drive on the estate do not adhere to the speed limit. gingersandy38
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1:37am Sun 25 Nov 12

tonybee says...

The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ?
Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k !
The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ? Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k ! tonybee
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1:49am Sun 25 Nov 12

Freeloaders says...

inadaptado wrote:
BenUk wrote:
Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour.
seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on
So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself.
What a wonderful post.You said it how it is my friend.Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]inadaptado[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BenUk[/bold] wrote: Waste of money like everything else they do, 20 is NOT plenty is just to slow, i also live near schools with 20mph and speed bumps do people care? no, will people care? no it is a rat run its hell at rush hours specially if you live on the street and tring to get home or leave at rush hour. seriously stop attacking car drivers and think of something better to do and spend money on[/p][/quote]So you first saying people drive carelessly and over the limits, but then you ask why they are "attacking" drivers. Well, I think you pretty much answered yourself.[/p][/quote]What a wonderful post.You said it how it is my friend.Thank you. Freeloaders
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8:23am Sun 25 Nov 12

graham_Seagull says...

Dave At Home wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
It will have little impact on journey times! really? this rule will apply to ALL vehicles including the emergency vehicles, so fire engines and ambulances racing around will be a thing of the past, save road users and kill people in need of treatment and premises on fire... and before you start, even 999 vehicles have to abide by all road rules.

And your other point about speed checks! How do you enforce this then? the speed detection equipment used by the Police will not work under 30mph... it's a pity you don't see the wider picture, but time will prove you wrong.
No it won't apply to emergency vehicles, just as it doesn't now at 30.
[quote][p][bold]Dave At Home[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.[/p][/quote]It will have little impact on journey times! really? this rule will apply to ALL vehicles including the emergency vehicles, so fire engines and ambulances racing around will be a thing of the past, save road users and kill people in need of treatment and premises on fire... and before you start, even 999 vehicles have to abide by all road rules. And your other point about speed checks! How do you enforce this then? the speed detection equipment used by the Police will not work under 30mph... it's a pity you don't see the wider picture, but time will prove you wrong.[/p][/quote]No it won't apply to emergency vehicles, just as it doesn't now at 30. graham_Seagull
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8:41am Sun 25 Nov 12

qm says...

tonybee wrote:
The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ?
Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k !
I believe a new colloquial term has been born for "indignant incandescent rage" to be known forthwith as an attack of the "Carolines" :))
[quote][p][bold]tonybee[/bold] wrote: The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ? Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k ![/p][/quote]I believe a new colloquial term has been born for "indignant incandescent rage" to be known forthwith as an attack of the "Carolines" :)) qm
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9:00am Sun 25 Nov 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

qm wrote:
tonybee wrote:
The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ?
Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k !
I believe a new colloquial term has been born for "indignant incandescent rage" to be known forthwith as an attack of the "Carolines" :))
Or maybe we could consider a broader title, which presents the further potential benefit of an acronym that lends itself to the nonsensical traveler situation.

Caroline's Unpalatable Nonsensical Traveler Support...

..originating from a bunch of Green *****
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tonybee[/bold] wrote: The ghasly scum travellers ruined the annual Schools Cross Country & caused distress to lots of kids because their arrival caused cancellation on the day of the event .Were they invited by visage merde cochon Lucas ? Are they still there because she put a D2 notice on the volkspolitzei ? Do the Green communist party care about the kids ? Do they F**k ![/p][/quote]I believe a new colloquial term has been born for "indignant incandescent rage" to be known forthwith as an attack of the "Carolines" :))[/p][/quote]Or maybe we could consider a broader title, which presents the further potential benefit of an acronym that lends itself to the nonsensical traveler situation. Caroline's Unpalatable Nonsensical Traveler Support... ..originating from a bunch of Green ***** Somethingsarejustwrong
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9:21am Sun 25 Nov 12

Old Ladys Gin says...

The vast majority of our neighbouring countries have had such a limit in place for years; and yes they can and do use speed traps, often hidden away in cars and vans, zero tolerance as well.
Drivers in these countries will also have to give way to all pedestrians and cyclists and pretty much give way to anything coming from the right, especially in Germany where there are few road markings in town.
Even when turning on a green light they will have to give way to anyone crossing as the pedestrians will also have a green light. What a shock to the rude and imperious UK driver that would be! With their 'right of way' attitude.
If you park where you shouldn't there's a fair chance your car will be towed away in moments, and with no great concern for not damaging it either. You'll get little or no sympathy from your insurance company for your stupidity.
In the UK drivers very occasionally at the very few highly expensive crossings may have to give way to pedestrians, and occasionally cyclists. They, the drivers, will even pull in front of pedestrians actually crossing the road, as if these people were invisible. In Spain and France this would earn you at least a frown and more, especially in Spain, your car being spat on or kicked.
The road junctions in the UK are clearly marked and for most of the time it is only ever other vehicles the drivers need be concerned about; they have it easy, very easy.
About time to stop whingeing I reckon.
The vast majority of our neighbouring countries have had such a limit in place for years; and yes they can and do use speed traps, often hidden away in cars and vans, zero tolerance as well. Drivers in these countries will also have to give way to all pedestrians and cyclists and pretty much give way to anything coming from the right, especially in Germany where there are few road markings in town. Even when turning on a green light they will have to give way to anyone crossing as the pedestrians will also have a green light. What a shock to the rude and imperious UK driver that would be! With their 'right of way' attitude. If you park where you shouldn't there's a fair chance your car will be towed away in moments, and with no great concern for not damaging it either. You'll get little or no sympathy from your insurance company for your stupidity. In the UK drivers very occasionally at the very few highly expensive crossings may have to give way to pedestrians, and occasionally cyclists. They, the drivers, will even pull in front of pedestrians actually crossing the road, as if these people were invisible. In Spain and France this would earn you at least a frown and more, especially in Spain, your car being spat on or kicked. The road junctions in the UK are clearly marked and for most of the time it is only ever other vehicles the drivers need be concerned about; they have it easy, very easy. About time to stop whingeing I reckon. Old Ladys Gin
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9:55am Sun 25 Nov 12

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
The vast majority of our neighbouring countries have had such a limit in place for years; and yes they can and do use speed traps, often hidden away in cars and vans, zero tolerance as well.
Drivers in these countries will also have to give way to all pedestrians and cyclists and pretty much give way to anything coming from the right, especially in Germany where there are few road markings in town.
Even when turning on a green light they will have to give way to anyone crossing as the pedestrians will also have a green light. What a shock to the rude and imperious UK driver that would be! With their 'right of way' attitude.
If you park where you shouldn't there's a fair chance your car will be towed away in moments, and with no great concern for not damaging it either. You'll get little or no sympathy from your insurance company for your stupidity.
In the UK drivers very occasionally at the very few highly expensive crossings may have to give way to pedestrians, and occasionally cyclists. They, the drivers, will even pull in front of pedestrians actually crossing the road, as if these people were invisible. In Spain and France this would earn you at least a frown and more, especially in Spain, your car being spat on or kicked.
The road junctions in the UK are clearly marked and for most of the time it is only ever other vehicles the drivers need be concerned about; they have it easy, very easy.
About time to stop whingeing I reckon.
Very amusing. Have you ever visited Paris?
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: The vast majority of our neighbouring countries have had such a limit in place for years; and yes they can and do use speed traps, often hidden away in cars and vans, zero tolerance as well. Drivers in these countries will also have to give way to all pedestrians and cyclists and pretty much give way to anything coming from the right, especially in Germany where there are few road markings in town. Even when turning on a green light they will have to give way to anyone crossing as the pedestrians will also have a green light. What a shock to the rude and imperious UK driver that would be! With their 'right of way' attitude. If you park where you shouldn't there's a fair chance your car will be towed away in moments, and with no great concern for not damaging it either. You'll get little or no sympathy from your insurance company for your stupidity. In the UK drivers very occasionally at the very few highly expensive crossings may have to give way to pedestrians, and occasionally cyclists. They, the drivers, will even pull in front of pedestrians actually crossing the road, as if these people were invisible. In Spain and France this would earn you at least a frown and more, especially in Spain, your car being spat on or kicked. The road junctions in the UK are clearly marked and for most of the time it is only ever other vehicles the drivers need be concerned about; they have it easy, very easy. About time to stop whingeing I reckon.[/p][/quote]Very amusing. Have you ever visited Paris? Cyril Bolleaux
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1:12pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Or Rome or Berlin.
Rose tinted glasses.
Anyway until this council stops motorists parking in cycle lanes then this will just be another waste of money as these self enforcing schemes just don't work
Or Rome or Berlin. Rose tinted glasses. Anyway until this council stops motorists parking in cycle lanes then this will just be another waste of money as these self enforcing schemes just don't work Maxwell's Ghost
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2:03pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Baffled of Brighton wrote:
Why not 25mph?
Because 20 is plently!

Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times.

There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.
Oh shutup you idiot. Have you ever driven 20mph? It is dreadfully slow as is 30mph. I will definitely not drive at 20mph, how do they expect people to get about will take so much longer. What another stupid idea by this council.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baffled of Brighton[/bold] wrote: Why not 25mph?[/p][/quote]Because 20 is plently! Nothing novel in this. It is being introduced in urban areas all over the country and long overdue and will have little impact on journey times. There should be some level of enforcement even if is just the occassional speed check to keep the irresponsible minority on their toes.[/p][/quote]Oh shutup you idiot. Have you ever driven 20mph? It is dreadfully slow as is 30mph. I will definitely not drive at 20mph, how do they expect people to get about will take so much longer. What another stupid idea by this council. Hoarder12345444
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2:39pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

Won't make the slightest bit of difference to me. I do forty all the time in the city and get from a to b efficiently and quickly. I know all the rat runs and back routes, and the location of all fixed cameras. I also know its impossible for the police to enforce this, as they can't enforce the existing speed limits.
So who cares? Not me. Service as normal.
Won't make the slightest bit of difference to me. I do forty all the time in the city and get from a to b efficiently and quickly. I know all the rat runs and back routes, and the location of all fixed cameras. I also know its impossible for the police to enforce this, as they can't enforce the existing speed limits. So who cares? Not me. Service as normal. Ballroom Blitz
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3:49pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Brightonlad86 says...

I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!!

A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen.

I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems
I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems Brightonlad86
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6:38pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!!

A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen.

I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems[/p][/quote]Well said. Ballroom Blitz
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6:38pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!!

A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen.

I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems[/p][/quote]Well said. Ballroom Blitz
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7:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

domcom says...

So this is all based on a ‘clear majority’.

10.000 surveys sent out. 37% respond. 2089 in favour and 1660 against - a difference of 429 people in a city of what 0.25 million. Welcome to Green democracy!!
So this is all based on a ‘clear majority’. 10.000 surveys sent out. 37% respond. 2089 in favour and 1660 against - a difference of 429 people in a city of what 0.25 million. Welcome to Green democracy!! domcom
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7:19pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Terry K says...

Nice to see this, hopefully will stop tailgating Brightion Taxi's and others causing unnessecary stress, bring it on!.
Nice to see this, hopefully will stop tailgating Brightion Taxi's and others causing unnessecary stress, bring it on!. Terry K
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12:36am Mon 26 Nov 12

brightonian57 says...

funkyyoyo wrote:
a vehicle travelling at 20 mph emits more pollution than a vehicle doing 30- FACT!! any more great inspiring ideas from you bunch of muppets,maybe a ufo landing pod at black rock or maybe a totall ban on pink bikes!!!!!! complete and utter morons
Exactly, what in fact it means is, if we get hit it won't hurt as much, but we will still have to go to hospital, because we can't breath, due to the extra pollution As usual the yoghurt knitters haven't thought it through. In the same way they didn't realise that if they put the parking charges up, no one would visit the city, so they would have to try and stop the single persons council tax reduction. They are so stupid they don't even seemed to have realised, that in doing all this, they are doing themselves out of a job. . . . Time for bed said Kitkat
[quote][p][bold]funkyyoyo[/bold] wrote: a vehicle travelling at 20 mph emits more pollution than a vehicle doing 30- FACT!! any more great inspiring ideas from you bunch of muppets,maybe a ufo landing pod at black rock or maybe a totall ban on pink bikes!!!!!! complete and utter morons[/p][/quote]Exactly, what in fact it means is, if we get hit it won't hurt as much, but we will still have to go to hospital, because we can't breath, due to the extra pollution As usual the yoghurt knitters haven't thought it through. In the same way they didn't realise that if they put the parking charges up, no one would visit the city, so they would have to try and stop the single persons council tax reduction. They are so stupid they don't even seemed to have realised, that in doing all this, they are doing themselves out of a job. . . . Time for bed said Kitkat brightonian57
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9:55am Mon 26 Nov 12

graham_Seagull says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems
Well said.
Not really.

Out of 100 drivers you may get one who has the reflexes and ability of Vettell at his best.
That leaves the other 99.

Out of 100 pedestrians on a Monday morning you may get 5 with a hangover, 3 blind people, and old woman, and perhaps 5 who are able to nimbly jump out of the way of the 99 drivers who are not Vettell-like in their ability. There may also be 20 who are school kids still learning about the road environment.

Speed dramatically cuts down the time available to make decisions - not everyone has the experience to drive like Vettell, and not all pedestrians are clued up on when the best time is to cross the road.

Therefore to say 'speed doesn't kill' is absolute stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]Not really. Out of 100 drivers you may get one who has the reflexes and ability of Vettell at his best. That leaves the other 99. Out of 100 pedestrians on a Monday morning you may get 5 with a hangover, 3 blind people, and old woman, and perhaps 5 who are able to nimbly jump out of the way of the 99 drivers who are not Vettell-like in their ability. There may also be 20 who are school kids still learning about the road environment. Speed dramatically cuts down the time available to make decisions - not everyone has the experience to drive like Vettell, and not all pedestrians are clued up on when the best time is to cross the road. Therefore to say 'speed doesn't kill' is absolute stupidity. graham_Seagull
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7:13pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Brightonlad86 says...

graham_Seagull wrote:
Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems
Well said.
Not really.

Out of 100 drivers you may get one who has the reflexes and ability of Vettell at his best.
That leaves the other 99.

Out of 100 pedestrians on a Monday morning you may get 5 with a hangover, 3 blind people, and old woman, and perhaps 5 who are able to nimbly jump out of the way of the 99 drivers who are not Vettell-like in their ability. There may also be 20 who are school kids still learning about the road environment.

Speed dramatically cuts down the time available to make decisions - not everyone has the experience to drive like Vettell, and not all pedestrians are clued up on when the best time is to cross the road.

Therefore to say 'speed doesn't kill' is absolute stupidity.
I'm not talking driving 100mph in built up zones. If its busy slow down, if its not then where is the harm in speeding up? Take country roads for example. 60mph... Is it safe to drive at those speeds? Of course not! Should you slow down in bad weather?? Yes. As I said, drive to the condition of the road.

Yes, granted, there are some bad drivers.. These drivers are not going to adhere to the new speed limits anyway!

If I was blind or not nimble enough (such as my mum) to get out the way I would use the crossing facilities which are designed for those who struggle. If I was unable to do this I would ensure I have assistance when going out.
[quote][p][bold]graham_Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: I have said this many times before!! Speed does not kill!! Ignorance does!! A car could drive around at high speed all day with not even a 'near miss' let alone and accident!! You put an inpatient driver at a junction or a dopey pedestrian stepping out I front of an oncoming vehicle you have an accident waiting to happen. I'm all for making roads safer but rather than punishing sensible drivers (people), educate these idiots who are the real cause of the problems[/p][/quote]Well said.[/p][/quote]Not really. Out of 100 drivers you may get one who has the reflexes and ability of Vettell at his best. That leaves the other 99. Out of 100 pedestrians on a Monday morning you may get 5 with a hangover, 3 blind people, and old woman, and perhaps 5 who are able to nimbly jump out of the way of the 99 drivers who are not Vettell-like in their ability. There may also be 20 who are school kids still learning about the road environment. Speed dramatically cuts down the time available to make decisions - not everyone has the experience to drive like Vettell, and not all pedestrians are clued up on when the best time is to cross the road. Therefore to say 'speed doesn't kill' is absolute stupidity.[/p][/quote]I'm not talking driving 100mph in built up zones. If its busy slow down, if its not then where is the harm in speeding up? Take country roads for example. 60mph... Is it safe to drive at those speeds? Of course not! Should you slow down in bad weather?? Yes. As I said, drive to the condition of the road. Yes, granted, there are some bad drivers.. These drivers are not going to adhere to the new speed limits anyway! If I was blind or not nimble enough (such as my mum) to get out the way I would use the crossing facilities which are designed for those who struggle. If I was unable to do this I would ensure I have assistance when going out. Brightonlad86
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8:48pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Hovedoc says...

While I am not over happy with the practicalities of a 20mph limit, I feel more could be done to decrease injuries and driver stress by ensuring that pedestrians and cyclists wear appropriate clothing with reflective properties...with the new decreased lighting levels on our roads and the current preference by all road users to wear black at night it is a nightmare scenario. Cyclists without lights....how about some enforcement of the Highway Code by our police colleagues. I doubt if these improvements would cost the council anywhere near the estimates for introducing a 20mph limit and would undoubtably save just as many lives.
While I am not over happy with the practicalities of a 20mph limit, I feel more could be done to decrease injuries and driver stress by ensuring that pedestrians and cyclists wear appropriate clothing with reflective properties...with the new decreased lighting levels on our roads and the current preference by all road users to wear black at night it is a nightmare scenario. Cyclists without lights....how about some enforcement of the Highway Code by our police colleagues. I doubt if these improvements would cost the council anywhere near the estimates for introducing a 20mph limit and would undoubtably save just as many lives. Hovedoc
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