Drivers warned to keep off the grass in Brighton and Hove

Councillor Dawn Barnett has previously complained about damage to verges in Hangleton

Councillor Dawn Barnett has previously complained about damage to verges in Hangleton

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Parking  wardens could patrol suburban streets to crack down on motorists leaving their cars on grass verges.

Brighton and Hove City Council wants to take advantage of new Government rules and use £125,000 to set up a pilot scheme to clamp down on those mounting the kerb and leaving their cars there.

Any motorist caught in the dedicated zone at any time could be fined up to £70.

If successful, the scheme could be widened out across the city.

Transport committee chairman Ian Davey said: “Following requests from residents and local councillors, and evidence of long-standing problems, it is proposed that two pilot schemes proceed.

“These areas have been agreed with local councillors to cover a handful of roads in areas only where parking is a nuisance or hazardous.”

The funding is allocated as part of the local authority’s budget plans for 2013/14.

If approved, the money will fund a trial in Mile Oak, Portslade and areas of Patcham.

Ruined verges

Complaints Penny Gilbey, who represents North Portslade on the local authority, said she had received dozens of complaints from locals about people parking on the verge in Chalky Road.

Coun Gilbey said: “It seems that people using the sports centre are not aware there is a new car park just down the road they could use.

“The verges are ruined – they are all muddy and slippery – and there is a concern for pedestrians and students at the school.”

Experts at the local authority said there will be signs at the start of the ‘zone’ with them repeated at regular intervals.

The areas chosen are where verge parking is by visitors and commuters or where there is already parking available elsewhere.

A council spokeswoman said: “The two pilot schemes are subject to agreement by committee and to available funding.

“There will be no road markings or bollards used, and it will be enforceable by parking attendants.”

Any changes would be subject to a traffic order and consultation.

The budget will be finalised at a special meeting of all the councillors on February 28 in Brighton Town Hall.

Talking point: Should more action be taken against people parking on grass verges?

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2:04pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Tarmac over them then and make them into proper parking spaces. Next problem please.
Tarmac over them then and make them into proper parking spaces. Next problem please. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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2:08pm Fri 30 Nov 12

martyt says...

have they not yet milked the car driver dry ,when will the council enforce the parking bays people pay for and others just keep parking in ?????????????? and the council just say we can t stop other people parking in the bay you pay for ,the verges should be tarmac over save on all that up keep
have they not yet milked the car driver dry ,when will the council enforce the parking bays people pay for and others just keep parking in ?????????????? and the council just say we can t stop other people parking in the bay you pay for ,the verges should be tarmac over save on all that up keep martyt
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2:10pm Fri 30 Nov 12

elphick says...

well said jimmy,think its more dangerous putting rubbish bins in the street.glad i moved out of brighton,they are so controlling the council and just making the city worse...
well said jimmy,think its more dangerous putting rubbish bins in the street.glad i moved out of brighton,they are so controlling the council and just making the city worse... elphick
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2:25pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Big Fido says...

"..Following requests from local residents .. where parking is a nuisance or hazardous..." Councillors do what residents ask them to do shock horror!

Clearly the petrolheads above won't be happy until everything is tarmaced over and they can drive from their front rooms to their kitchen without getting out of the car.
"..Following requests from local residents .. where parking is a nuisance or hazardous..." Councillors do what residents ask them to do shock horror! Clearly the petrolheads above won't be happy until everything is tarmaced over and they can drive from their front rooms to their kitchen without getting out of the car. Big Fido
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2:39pm Fri 30 Nov 12

SGK2000 says...

People have claimed verges as their own parking spaces and will park there even when parking nearby is available..

Long overdue action.
People have claimed verges as their own parking spaces and will park there even when parking nearby is available.. Long overdue action. SGK2000
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2:47pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The council has ripped out the verges in Coldean Lane and put tarmac down and now the residents are parking on the pavements.
Seems odd.
The council has ripped out the verges in Coldean Lane and put tarmac down and now the residents are parking on the pavements. Seems odd. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:54pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Morpheus says...

People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.
People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world. Morpheus
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3:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Crystal Ball says...

I wonder if the Emergency Services would have an opinion on this given the recent problems experienced in attempting to reach an address?
I wonder if the Emergency Services would have an opinion on this given the recent problems experienced in attempting to reach an address? Crystal Ball
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3:17pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Fight_Back says...

Morpheus wrote:
People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.
Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards.
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.[/p][/quote]Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards. Fight_Back
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3:45pm Fri 30 Nov 12

plantwoman says...

Good idea - now can we have the same thing happening in Lancing and Sompting please because I am fed up with having to walk in the road because some lazy so and so can't park within the law!
Good idea - now can we have the same thing happening in Lancing and Sompting please because I am fed up with having to walk in the road because some lazy so and so can't park within the law! plantwoman
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4:12pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Flippin Burghers says...

* Did you see the sewage? Call the newdesk on 01273 544525
* Did you see the sewage? Call the newdesk on 01273 544525 Flippin Burghers
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4:27pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Ohnotagain ! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.
Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards.
I suggest you visit Hollingbury, unless you park up on the grass verge you are quite likely to loose your wing mirror, the roads are very narrow with barely enough room for one car !!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.[/p][/quote]Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards.[/p][/quote]I suggest you visit Hollingbury, unless you park up on the grass verge you are quite likely to loose your wing mirror, the roads are very narrow with barely enough room for one car !! Ohnotagain !
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5:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Hove Actually says...

If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors.

This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green.
If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors. This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green. Hove Actually
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5:32pm Fri 30 Nov 12

RottingdeanRant says...

Good news. I hope it is finally enforced throughout the city. Fed up with people parking on the verges and pavement. The verges just get churned up (and I would prefer to see the grass than have them covered in Tarmac) and the pavement parking prevent the elderly and infirm from using the pavement.
Good news. I hope it is finally enforced throughout the city. Fed up with people parking on the verges and pavement. The verges just get churned up (and I would prefer to see the grass than have them covered in Tarmac) and the pavement parking prevent the elderly and infirm from using the pavement. RottingdeanRant
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6:28pm Fri 30 Nov 12

davyboy says...

myethe answer is to put boards alon the edge of the verges, so that people an stil ave their bitof green outside their hous. there is no need to park on any verge, just walk a little further!!!!
myethe answer is to put boards alon the edge of the verges, so that people an stil ave their bitof green outside their hous. there is no need to park on any verge, just walk a little further!!!! davyboy
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7:20pm Fri 30 Nov 12

bluemonday says...

but if you want to park on wild park with no tax,leave rubbish everywhere,cause unrest to local people,you help yourself because the council are too scared to remove people parked illegally from there
but if you want to park on wild park with no tax,leave rubbish everywhere,cause unrest to local people,you help yourself because the council are too scared to remove people parked illegally from there bluemonday
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7:26pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Any chance of the council cutting the verges if they are restored ?
Any chance of the council cutting the verges if they are restored ? Idontbelieveit1948
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11:01am Sat 1 Dec 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

People park wherever it is free, and it's the council's fault that motorists are obliged to take to the verges to avoid swingeing parking charges.
I really don't care. As many have said, tarmac them over so that people can park on them would seem the logical thing to do. But oh no. The council would rather fine people instead.
People park wherever it is free, and it's the council's fault that motorists are obliged to take to the verges to avoid swingeing parking charges. I really don't care. As many have said, tarmac them over so that people can park on them would seem the logical thing to do. But oh no. The council would rather fine people instead. Ballroom Blitz
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11:02am Sat 1 Dec 12

Ballroom Blitz says...

bluemonday wrote:
but if you want to park on wild park with no tax,leave rubbish everywhere,cause unrest to local people,you help yourself because the council are too scared to remove people parked illegally from there
And of course, we all know that this is true. No fines, nothing.
[quote][p][bold]bluemonday[/bold] wrote: but if you want to park on wild park with no tax,leave rubbish everywhere,cause unrest to local people,you help yourself because the council are too scared to remove people parked illegally from there[/p][/quote]And of course, we all know that this is true. No fines, nothing. Ballroom Blitz
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12:32pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Ohnotagain ! says...

RottingdeanRant wrote:
Good news. I hope it is finally enforced throughout the city. Fed up with people parking on the verges and pavement. The verges just get churned up (and I would prefer to see the grass than have them covered in Tarmac) and the pavement parking prevent the elderly and infirm from using the pavement.
Well obviously from rottingdean you are elderly and infirm and probably with a drive !. If every negative poster on here actually visited some residential streets in Brighton, they would clearly see the problem. it is also not the case that "parking a bit further up" will make any difference, as narrow roads are narrow, they do not have wider bits so you can park.
[quote][p][bold]RottingdeanRant[/bold] wrote: Good news. I hope it is finally enforced throughout the city. Fed up with people parking on the verges and pavement. The verges just get churned up (and I would prefer to see the grass than have them covered in Tarmac) and the pavement parking prevent the elderly and infirm from using the pavement.[/p][/quote]Well obviously from rottingdean you are elderly and infirm and probably with a drive !. If every negative poster on here actually visited some residential streets in Brighton, they would clearly see the problem. it is also not the case that "parking a bit further up" will make any difference, as narrow roads are narrow, they do not have wider bits so you can park. Ohnotagain !
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1:08pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Fight_Back says...

Hove Actually wrote:
If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors.

This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green.
If everybody that owned a car ( and I'm in that group ) actually learnt to park properly then there would be no verge parking. The basic fact is that people are now lazy and want to park exactly outside their house or the place they are going. Given most of central Brighton and Hove doesn't have grass verges then the main problem must be the suburbs. Most people in the suburbs have off road parking so there really is no need for parking on the verges. You only need to look at Neville Road and see how many idiots want to risk their wing mirrors etc when there is loads of drive parking available to them.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors. This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green.[/p][/quote]If everybody that owned a car ( and I'm in that group ) actually learnt to park properly then there would be no verge parking. The basic fact is that people are now lazy and want to park exactly outside their house or the place they are going. Given most of central Brighton and Hove doesn't have grass verges then the main problem must be the suburbs. Most people in the suburbs have off road parking so there really is no need for parking on the verges. You only need to look at Neville Road and see how many idiots want to risk their wing mirrors etc when there is loads of drive parking available to them. Fight_Back
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4:48pm Sat 1 Dec 12

lillylou says...

Peacehaven is bad all the white van mans live there
Peacehaven is bad all the white van mans live there lillylou
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4:53pm Sat 1 Dec 12

lillylou says...

Tarmacking over all grass will cause flooding that's why its left any normal person would know all this concrete is causing flooding !!!
Tarmacking over all grass will cause flooding that's why its left any normal person would know all this concrete is causing flooding !!! lillylou
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5:20pm Sat 1 Dec 12

gnarlychaos says...

Shouldnt drive on grass at anytime.
Shouldnt drive on grass at anytime. gnarlychaos
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6:19pm Sat 1 Dec 12

wole says...

Councils fault for putting single yellows everywhere!
Councils fault for putting single yellows everywhere! wole
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7:24pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Hove Actually says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Hove Actually wrote:
If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors.

This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green.
If everybody that owned a car ( and I'm in that group ) actually learnt to park properly then there would be no verge parking. The basic fact is that people are now lazy and want to park exactly outside their house or the place they are going. Given most of central Brighton and Hove doesn't have grass verges then the main problem must be the suburbs. Most people in the suburbs have off road parking so there really is no need for parking on the verges. You only need to look at Neville Road and see how many idiots want to risk their wing mirrors etc when there is loads of drive parking available to them.
People do want to park near there homes, probably to keep an eye on them.

I can think of many roads that would need to have parking on only one side if people didn't use the verge. Many of these are on bus routes.

Where are these suburbs and all the drives? not in Hangleton, Portslade, Knoll, Whitehawk, Molscombe, Patcham, Kemptown.....oh yes Withdean....mind you most there have 2 or 3 cars and need to use the verge too
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: If everyone who parked on the verge was to park in the road this city would come to a grinding halt and everyone would lose their wing mirrors. This is just another way to milk the motorist and anyone who claims otherwise is probably a single minded car hating green.[/p][/quote]If everybody that owned a car ( and I'm in that group ) actually learnt to park properly then there would be no verge parking. The basic fact is that people are now lazy and want to park exactly outside their house or the place they are going. Given most of central Brighton and Hove doesn't have grass verges then the main problem must be the suburbs. Most people in the suburbs have off road parking so there really is no need for parking on the verges. You only need to look at Neville Road and see how many idiots want to risk their wing mirrors etc when there is loads of drive parking available to them.[/p][/quote]People do want to park near there homes, probably to keep an eye on them. I can think of many roads that would need to have parking on only one side if people didn't use the verge. Many of these are on bus routes. Where are these suburbs and all the drives? not in Hangleton, Portslade, Knoll, Whitehawk, Molscombe, Patcham, Kemptown.....oh yes Withdean....mind you most there have 2 or 3 cars and need to use the verge too Hove Actually
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8:31pm Sat 1 Dec 12

ghost bus driver says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Morpheus wrote:
People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.
Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards.
What about those black and white reflector posts? They'd be way cheaper then tarmac, and would allow the verges to be kept neater too.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: People park on the verges because the roads are too narrow. It is pointless having verges that are just a mess. The council needs to allocate money to tarmacking the grass verges. The alternative is to start the demolition process and build a city for the modern world.[/p][/quote]Strange, there was always enough width when I was a child in the 70's and 80's. Cars are getting smaller on the whole with more and more people opting for the small city runarounds. The problem comes with the idiot families who think just because they have one child they need a massive 4x4. In my road there's loads of space and yet people can't be bothered to park say 15 seconds further down the road on the odd occasion they need to. This is especially noticeable when it comes to the school run Mums ! They'd much rather mount the verge than carry their fat backsides a few extra yards.[/p][/quote]What about those black and white reflector posts? They'd be way cheaper then tarmac, and would allow the verges to be kept neater too. ghost bus driver
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10:22am Sun 2 Dec 12

plantwoman says...

What about those that have drives but don't use them? We have a neighbour who has two vehicles plus a works van. He has a drive big enough for two vehicles yet he often leaves all three out in the road, and his drive empty. Where's the sense in that?
A few years ago, if you drove a van for work you normally had to get to your place of work first to collect the van, and return it there each night. Now, there are so many vans parked outside houses, it's difficult for everyone.
What about those that have drives but don't use them? We have a neighbour who has two vehicles plus a works van. He has a drive big enough for two vehicles yet he often leaves all three out in the road, and his drive empty. Where's the sense in that? A few years ago, if you drove a van for work you normally had to get to your place of work first to collect the van, and return it there each night. Now, there are so many vans parked outside houses, it's difficult for everyone. plantwoman
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11:27am Sun 2 Dec 12

farang says...

A more environmentally sympathetic solution would be to use a product such as http://www.gridforce
.co.uk/product/inovg
reen-park40.html
It seems that the verges are used so why prevent that use?
Bollards get knocked over and could damage vehicles, the cost of which may be claimed from the LA!
A more environmentally sympathetic solution would be to use a product such as http://www.gridforce .co.uk/product/inovg reen-park40.html It seems that the verges are used so why prevent that use? Bollards get knocked over and could damage vehicles, the cost of which may be claimed from the LA! farang
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8:06pm Sun 2 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Some people round me have garages but they fill them with junk and leave their cars clogging up the road. Sheer selfishness and laziness. People should live in suitable properties. I'd have liked to live in cetral Brighton when I was younger -main reason I didn't was that I had a car and I couldn't find anywhere with off road parking.
Fact is there are far far too many cars. Nearly everyone expects to have a car. Like it's a right. Go back 30 years and it was 1 car per household max. Now you can get 3 or 4! Ridiculous. All because so many people today are too lazy to walk, cycle or use public transport. It proves to me that the cost of motoring is way too low if so many more can afford to runs cars than did 20 or 30 years ago. I was 26 when I was able to afford my own car - and that was a hand me down banger!
Some people round me have garages but they fill them with junk and leave their cars clogging up the road. Sheer selfishness and laziness. People should live in suitable properties. I'd have liked to live in cetral Brighton when I was younger -main reason I didn't was that I had a car and I couldn't find anywhere with off road parking. Fact is there are far far too many cars. Nearly everyone expects to have a car. Like it's a right. Go back 30 years and it was 1 car per household max. Now you can get 3 or 4! Ridiculous. All because so many people today are too lazy to walk, cycle or use public transport. It proves to me that the cost of motoring is way too low if so many more can afford to runs cars than did 20 or 30 years ago. I was 26 when I was able to afford my own car - and that was a hand me down banger! sussexram40
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10:23am Mon 3 Dec 12

tcj100 says...

I love the little patches of green still left in our urban sprawl. I am so glad the council are at last going to do something about protecting the grass verges from the few inconsiderate motorists that continue to park on them.
I love the little patches of green still left in our urban sprawl. I am so glad the council are at last going to do something about protecting the grass verges from the few inconsiderate motorists that continue to park on them. tcj100
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11:37am Mon 3 Dec 12

farang says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Some people round me have garages but they fill them with junk and leave their cars clogging up the road. Sheer selfishness and laziness. People should live in suitable properties. I'd have liked to live in cetral Brighton when I was younger -main reason I didn't was that I had a car and I couldn't find anywhere with off road parking.
Fact is there are far far too many cars. Nearly everyone expects to have a car. Like it's a right. Go back 30 years and it was 1 car per household max. Now you can get 3 or 4! Ridiculous. All because so many people today are too lazy to walk, cycle or use public transport. It proves to me that the cost of motoring is way too low if so many more can afford to runs cars than did 20 or 30 years ago. I was 26 when I was able to afford my own car - and that was a hand me down banger!
A sweeping statement, contrary to valid research:http://www.
bettertransport.org.
uk/files/car_depende
ncy_scorecard_2.pdf
Please could readers attempt to do some basic research before handing out such biased opinion.
I 'googled' the above article, time taken - about 2 minutes!
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Some people round me have garages but they fill them with junk and leave their cars clogging up the road. Sheer selfishness and laziness. People should live in suitable properties. I'd have liked to live in cetral Brighton when I was younger -main reason I didn't was that I had a car and I couldn't find anywhere with off road parking. Fact is there are far far too many cars. Nearly everyone expects to have a car. Like it's a right. Go back 30 years and it was 1 car per household max. Now you can get 3 or 4! Ridiculous. All because so many people today are too lazy to walk, cycle or use public transport. It proves to me that the cost of motoring is way too low if so many more can afford to runs cars than did 20 or 30 years ago. I was 26 when I was able to afford my own car - and that was a hand me down banger![/p][/quote]A sweeping statement, contrary to valid research:http://www. bettertransport.org. uk/files/car_depende ncy_scorecard_2.pdf Please could readers attempt to do some basic research before handing out such biased opinion. I 'googled' the above article, time taken - about 2 minutes! farang
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