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New bishop branded out of date over vote on women

The Argus: New Bishop of Chichester, Dr Martin Warner New Bishop of Chichester, Dr Martin Warner

The new Bishop of Chichester was one of just three senior clergymen to vote against the proposal for female bishops.

Dr Martin Warner, who was enthroned last Sunday (November 24), was branded “out of touch” after it emerged that he was among the three bishops, out of a total of 47, opposing the move last week.

Although Dr Warner is known in the church for his views against the ordination of women, campaigners still described his decision as “extremely disappointing”.

Ali Ghanimi, from the Feminist Brighton group, said: “I’ve heard the argument from both sides that this is about religious doctrine. But if an organisation is deliberately selecting against women then that is against the law of the land – it’s as simple as that.

“I think it is absolutely shocking. Those who voted against it are just out of date and out of touch.”

The vote was decided by the General Synod of the Church of England, which is made up of the three main houses: bishops, clergy and the laity.

A proposal needs a two-thirds majority in each house to pass.

Short of votes

Forty-four of the 47 bishops voted in favour, along with 148 of the 193 clergy.

However just 132 of the 206 laity voted in favour – leaving it six votes short.

Christian and former Argus columnist Jean Calder said she was disappointed with church bosses for appointing someone who was so well-known for being against the ordination of female bishops.

She said: “It is misogyny rather than theology that lies at the root of most opposition to female priesthood.

“The Diocese of Chichester has a reputation for being one of the most misogynist, therefore it’s hardly surprising that it helped lead the charge against women bishops.

“It’s ironic, because given the problems with the male bishops they have appointed, you might think they’d jump at the chance of getting some women.”

When approached by The Argus, Dr Warner, who heads the church in Sussex, declined to comment on why he voted against the move.

However, he made reference to the vote in his enthronement sermon at Chichester Cathedral last Sunday.

Addressing the congregation and dignitaries, he said that the vote had had a “damaging effect to the Church of England’s self-confidence and national reputation”.

He added: “Although the temptation to apportion blame is a dangerous one, perhaps we can observe that the political processes of the General Synod have not delivered for us a reliable way of finding consensus on how to attain the goal of including women in the episcopate.”

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7:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Martha Gunn says...

No surprise here - Chichester has always been a redoubt of the more unfortunate aspects of traditional Anglo-Catholicism. Ali Ghanimi shows her understanding of scripture is even more confused than her grip on politics. On the other hand Jean Calder, as usual, understands the issues clearly.
No surprise here - Chichester has always been a redoubt of the more unfortunate aspects of traditional Anglo-Catholicism. Ali Ghanimi shows her understanding of scripture is even more confused than her grip on politics. On the other hand Jean Calder, as usual, understands the issues clearly. Martha Gunn
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7:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

leobrighton says...

Who cares? Any woman who would want to be a bishop must have a screw loose. Religion is not for the normal
Who cares? Any woman who would want to be a bishop must have a screw loose. Religion is not for the normal leobrighton
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8:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Roundbill says...

Clearly Dr Warner believes that wearing a dress and falling in love with choirboys is MEN'S work.
Clearly Dr Warner believes that wearing a dress and falling in love with choirboys is MEN'S work. Roundbill
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8:45pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Little wonder churches are empty and being turned into business units.
Little wonder churches are empty and being turned into business units. Maxwell's Ghost
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9:47pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Thetruth666 says...

Chichester.Still stuck in the dark ages.What a boring backward city.Just be done with it and turn the entire city into a nursing home.
Chichester.Still stuck in the dark ages.What a boring backward city.Just be done with it and turn the entire city into a nursing home. Thetruth666
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10:18pm Fri 30 Nov 12

John Steed says...

the joy of democracy, free speech, so he voted against so what, the overwhealming majority of bishops were in favour, get it right it was the laity that voted against, if you got a problem take your argument to those who do not agree with you, stop alleging mysogany and all that rubbish. a heart felt veiw is just that, its not the bishops or the clergy that need winning over they are on side, its the laity who, seeing this hissy fit will beleive they made the right decision, get real woman.
the joy of democracy, free speech, so he voted against so what, the overwhealming majority of bishops were in favour, get it right it was the laity that voted against, if you got a problem take your argument to those who do not agree with you, stop alleging mysogany and all that rubbish. a heart felt veiw is just that, its not the bishops or the clergy that need winning over they are on side, its the laity who, seeing this hissy fit will beleive they made the right decision, get real woman. John Steed
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11:43pm Fri 30 Nov 12

JoeBlow says...

leobrighton wrote:
Who cares? Any woman who would want to be a bishop must have a screw loose. Religion is not for the normal
Are you always a bigot, or just on Fridays?
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: Who cares? Any woman who would want to be a bishop must have a screw loose. Religion is not for the normal[/p][/quote]Are you always a bigot, or just on Fridays? JoeBlow
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9:19am Sat 1 Dec 12

hammerfan says...

If you are going to demand women are
allowed to become bishops will it apply to other religions? I can really see legislation being applied to Roman Catholics- or better still the Muslims!
The church believes as Christ is male.
Priests who represent him must be male.
Therefore you cannot ordain women as priests.
If you are going to demand women are allowed to become bishops will it apply to other religions? I can really see legislation being applied to Roman Catholics- or better still the Muslims! The church believes as Christ is male. Priests who represent him must be male. Therefore you cannot ordain women as priests. hammerfan
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9:57am Sat 1 Dec 12

whereisthe...? says...

Before this becomes ANOTHER fake 'gender issue' (ie, all men's fault), remember that almost HALF ALL WOMEN voters decided against allowing female Bishops....
Before this becomes ANOTHER fake 'gender issue' (ie, all men's fault), remember that almost HALF ALL WOMEN voters decided against allowing female Bishops.... whereisthe...?
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5:16pm Sat 1 Dec 12

gnarlychaos says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Little wonder churches are empty and being turned into business units.
That is all they, are business units
and like a lot of other people there
now in the real world where fame fortune and celebrity come crashing down and homage to them results in chaos.
When i was a kid i loved Jim,ll Fix It.
Well he certainly did.
Fix it that is.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Little wonder churches are empty and being turned into business units.[/p][/quote]That is all they, are business units and like a lot of other people there now in the real world where fame fortune and celebrity come crashing down and homage to them results in chaos. When i was a kid i loved Jim,ll Fix It. Well he certainly did. Fix it that is. gnarlychaos
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