Widespead disgust at Brighton and Hove communal bin plan

The Argus: Concerned neighbours in Colman Street, Brighton, where communal bins are on trial Concerned neighbours in Colman Street, Brighton, where communal bins are on trial

Communal bin plans which council bosses claim will keep the city streets tidy are a “concoction of dangerous hazards”, claim residents.

Brighton and Hove City Council claim the large shared containers will clear clutter from roads while making areas cleaner.

Yet, regardless of the benefits put before them, proposals to roll out the bins in Hanover area of Brighton have horrified some residents who met over the weekend in protest at the plans.

Hanover Terrace homeowner Hannah Booth questioned the effectiveness of a trial of the bins, adding: “They are constantly overflowing with refuse and attract seagulls, fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti and discourage recycling.

“It seems incredible that anyone could consider this a positive solution to refuse management in Hanover.

“I know that opinion is against the placement of communal bins in Hanover Terrace. This is also true of other streets.

“This surely cannot be considered positive for our area or city.”

Miss Booth added she felt the bins would devalue her home and the council had offered no compensation for the “eyesore”.

Hanover trial

Communal bins for waste were first introduced in 2004 in Brighton and Hove to help those living in flats and bedsits who did not have enough space to store their waste.

It was rolled out in 2009 to cover most of the city centre area from Sackville Road, Hove, in the west to Boundary Road in east Brighton.

A trial was introduced in Hanover earlier this year in Coleman and Washington Street. Residents are now being asked their views on widening out the scheme. Some welcome the plans.

Tom Wright and Lisa Murray, who live in Grove Street, said: “Communal bins will make our community cleaner and more accessible. We used to live in the Seven Dials area and had two communal bins right outside our house.”

They added there were more regular collections and they made streets cleaner.

But Simon McNiff, of Hanover Terrace, added: “I do not need a communal bin. I have a front garden in which I store my rubbish.”

Majority opinion

He said quotes from the Green Hills brochure produced by the Green Party said the council will make a decision for each street based on the majority opinion.

However, Mr McNiff said the local authority had withdrawn this adding there was a choice between keeping the status quo and introducing the street containers.

A council spokesperson said: “Hanover residents have engaged well with us at every stage, responding to our door to door leafleting and attending our local exhibition showing proposals for the extension of our communal bin scheme in their area.

"The communal bin trial in Washington Street and Coleman Street has already received positive verbal feedback.
 
"The council recognises there is no perfect solution, but communal bins provide better refuse containment than currently used black sacks which are frequently ripped apart by scavenging birds and animals, creating unsightly streets and health hazards.

"The council understand that Hanover’s narrow streets create an issue for placement of communal bins where they take up parking spaces, and can make a visual impact.

"Communal bins work well in many other parts of the city - with residents reporting that the streets are clearer and cleaner. If a bulky item is left next to a communal bin, it will be collected and enforcement action will follow, (with sufficient evidence) just as with any fly tipping."
 
"Any decision will be based on the outcome of the consultation, which ends on Monday December 3, after which all comments will be considered in detail.  The final decision will be made at the environment and sustainability committee meeting on February 6. “

Gillian Marston, head of City Clean, wrote publicly: “It’s good that everyone has a say on communal bins in Hanover. Let us know what you think by December 3. Ideas gratefully received.”

A decision is expected to be made in March. If approved, it could start in April.

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2:51pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

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2:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
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3:06pm Mon 3 Dec 12

uniteagainstparkingcharges says...

We have these communal bins at both ends of our road near the seafront and the system seems to work fine.

Gulls no longer rip open peoples black sacks and leave rubbish strewn across the streets and we still have recycling collected every fortnight.

Some people will moan about any kind of change irrespective of the likely outcome. It is in their very nature.
We have these communal bins at both ends of our road near the seafront and the system seems to work fine. Gulls no longer rip open peoples black sacks and leave rubbish strewn across the streets and we still have recycling collected every fortnight. Some people will moan about any kind of change irrespective of the likely outcome. It is in their very nature. uniteagainstparkingcharges

3:29pm Mon 3 Dec 12

John Steed says...

hey ho nothing is new, almost back to the days of opening the window and throwing the rubbish out to the street below.,
hey ho nothing is new, almost back to the days of opening the window and throwing the rubbish out to the street below., John Steed

3:31pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Camel54 says...

Moan moan moan. Maybe you want us to pay for someone to knock on you door to pick up your crap?
if you don't like the proposals then suggest something that may work and be affordable! You live where the streets are narrow and teraffic choked, and there are NO front gardens. The pavements are narrow. Where do you suggest you put your rubbish?
Moan moan moan. Maybe you want us to pay for someone to knock on you door to pick up your crap? if you don't like the proposals then suggest something that may work and be affordable! You live where the streets are narrow and teraffic choked, and there are NO front gardens. The pavements are narrow. Where do you suggest you put your rubbish? Camel54

3:31pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Camel54 says...

Moan moan moan. Maybe you want us to pay for someone to knock on you door to pick up your crap?
if you don't like the proposals then suggest something that may work and be affordable! You live where the streets are narrow and teraffic choked, and there are NO front gardens. The pavements are narrow. Where do you suggest you put your rubbish?
Moan moan moan. Maybe you want us to pay for someone to knock on you door to pick up your crap? if you don't like the proposals then suggest something that may work and be affordable! You live where the streets are narrow and teraffic choked, and there are NO front gardens. The pavements are narrow. Where do you suggest you put your rubbish? Camel54

3:33pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

It does indeed encourage quite a few bad things, but surely thats better than having smaller bins and recycling boxes on the street and in front gardens everywhere? I suspect they get stolen and damaged anyway so I dont see the problem, just some residents have a good old moan up again.


And surely its a darn signt easier to dispose of rubbish. No more putting the bins out anymore, I would be thrilled with this!! Seems like you just cant make people happy whatever you try.
It does indeed encourage quite a few bad things, but surely thats better than having smaller bins and recycling boxes on the street and in front gardens everywhere? I suspect they get stolen and damaged anyway so I dont see the problem, just some residents have a good old moan up again. And surely its a darn signt easier to dispose of rubbish. No more putting the bins out anymore, I would be thrilled with this!! Seems like you just cant make people happy whatever you try. Hoarder12345444

3:42pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Gary Manilow says...

If you're against having communal bins then you must be mad. They've made the city much cleaner.
If you're against having communal bins then you must be mad. They've made the city much cleaner. Gary Manilow

3:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12

mustaphaLeeko says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
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Signed it already!
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Signed it already! mustaphaLeeko

3:54pm Mon 3 Dec 12

UppityPrimate says...

great idea. coming from a city where every house had one wheelie bin, regardless of size- the end result was a lovely mix of half-empty wheelie bins, and overflowing mounds of detritus which the cats and foxes (less gulls in reading) had disembowelled. surely this isn't good?

the other factor to consider is the time it takes binmen(binpersons?) to go from one end to the other of a street, emptying one wheelie bin at a time, going into every cul-de-sac... this ALWAYS resulted in stuff getting left, took them an age, made a ton of noise and wasted a lot of fuel. if wastage of funds etc is your concern- communal bins take a LOT less time and manpower.

i bet Simon McNiff would change his tune if he DIDN't have the good fortune of a front garden to keep his rubbish in.
great idea. coming from a city where every house had one wheelie bin, regardless of size- the end result was a lovely mix of half-empty wheelie bins, and overflowing mounds of detritus which the cats and foxes (less gulls in reading) had disembowelled. surely this isn't good? the other factor to consider is the time it takes binmen(binpersons?) to go from one end to the other of a street, emptying one wheelie bin at a time, going into every cul-de-sac... this ALWAYS resulted in stuff getting left, took them an age, made a ton of noise and wasted a lot of fuel. if wastage of funds etc is your concern- communal bins take a LOT less time and manpower. i bet Simon McNiff would change his tune if he DIDN't have the good fortune of a front garden to keep his rubbish in. UppityPrimate

4:10pm Mon 3 Dec 12

btnman says...

Works very well in North Laine. Streets a lot cleaner. Down side people dump non-refuse, matresses, broken chairs etc, by them. But these are removed quicker than when they were dumped anywhere.
Works very well in North Laine. Streets a lot cleaner. Down side people dump non-refuse, matresses, broken chairs etc, by them. But these are removed quicker than when they were dumped anywhere. btnman

4:20pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Hove Actually says...

I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........
I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........ Hove Actually

4:51pm Mon 3 Dec 12

inadaptado says...

Dear Hannah Booth, if communal bins attract "fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti", then the problem is not the bins, it's that you have pigs for neighbours.
Dear Hannah Booth, if communal bins attract "fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti", then the problem is not the bins, it's that you have pigs for neighbours. inadaptado

5:17pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

inadaptado, Hannah may have student landlords in her neighbourhood who arrive and tip out a property onto a street at the end of a tenancy.
I have.
I photograph them every year, their car regs and give them to the council to get them prosecuted for fly-tipping but as yet, no action has been taken.
Last year a father in a new Jaguar arrived and tipped out the house opposite me onto the road, packed up hid student daughter and drove off leaving duvets, food, shelving and old chair etc on the street.
Until the council takes a hard line on filthy people, it wont gain public support for those who do keep their communities clean.
Sadly, each community is different.
inadaptado, Hannah may have student landlords in her neighbourhood who arrive and tip out a property onto a street at the end of a tenancy. I have. I photograph them every year, their car regs and give them to the council to get them prosecuted for fly-tipping but as yet, no action has been taken. Last year a father in a new Jaguar arrived and tipped out the house opposite me onto the road, packed up hid student daughter and drove off leaving duvets, food, shelving and old chair etc on the street. Until the council takes a hard line on filthy people, it wont gain public support for those who do keep their communities clean. Sadly, each community is different. Maxwell's Ghost

6:10pm Mon 3 Dec 12

derekhunt says...

Hove Actually wrote:
I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........
everything - even the occasional rough sleeper
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........[/p][/quote]everything - even the occasional rough sleeper derekhunt

6:38pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Jetsamandflotsam says...

I can't wait to chuck my stupid binvelope into our new communal bins when they turn up along with the festering binvelopes of all the idiots that can't be bothered to use them correctly leaving them out all week long, filling up with detritus and rats.
I cant wait to be able to walk around hanover without having to dodge the rubbish strewn all over the pavement.
Bring on the bins!
I can't wait to chuck my stupid binvelope into our new communal bins when they turn up along with the festering binvelopes of all the idiots that can't be bothered to use them correctly leaving them out all week long, filling up with detritus and rats. I cant wait to be able to walk around hanover without having to dodge the rubbish strewn all over the pavement. Bring on the bins! Jetsamandflotsam

7:04pm Mon 3 Dec 12

localboy78 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
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Signed! What a brilliant idea! How can we get this e-petition advertised to as many people as possible? Would the Argus run an article I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Signed! What a brilliant idea! How can we get this e-petition advertised to as many people as possible? Would the Argus run an article I wonder? localboy78

7:18pm Mon 3 Dec 12

All 9 of me says...

localboy78 wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote:
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
http://present.brigh


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Signed! What a brilliant idea! How can we get this e-petition advertised to as many people as possible? Would the Argus run an article I wonder?
why don't you start a facebook page that should do it.....
[quote][p][bold]localboy78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Signed! What a brilliant idea! How can we get this e-petition advertised to as many people as possible? Would the Argus run an article I wonder?[/p][/quote]why don't you start a facebook page that should do it..... All 9 of me

9:51pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated. Facebook here we come!
Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated. Facebook here we come! Dealing with idiots

9:53pm Mon 3 Dec 12

HJarrs says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated. Facebook here we come!
Are you former Conservative candidate Adam Campbell?
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Thank you for your support, it is much appreciated. Facebook here we come![/p][/quote]Are you former Conservative candidate Adam Campbell? HJarrs

10:05pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Charlieanna says...

Hove Actually wrote:
I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........
You've perfectly summed up the attitude of the 'can't-be-bothered-t
o-recycle-NIMBY'. As if we needed more reasons to oppose the communal bins scheme.
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: I love them, no need to sort it out anymore EVERYTHING goes in and I don't even have them in my road........[/p][/quote]You've perfectly summed up the attitude of the 'can't-be-bothered-t o-recycle-NIMBY'. As if we needed more reasons to oppose the communal bins scheme. Charlieanna

10:14pm Mon 3 Dec 12

davedebrax says...

I live in hanover and I welcome the communal bins.
I live in hanover and I welcome the communal bins. davedebrax

10:20pm Mon 3 Dec 12

davedebrax says...

Maxwell ghost, you are scary.
Why don't you talk to people?
Do you prefer otters?
Maxwell ghost, you are scary. Why don't you talk to people? Do you prefer otters? davedebrax

10:45pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Ahhh dave, are you a student landlord?
Don't be scared, be clean.
Emmaus and the YMCA are two charities which will collect decent furniture and goods from your student lets instead of dumping on the street and getting all tax payers to pay for your business.
Ahhh dave, are you a student landlord? Don't be scared, be clean. Emmaus and the YMCA are two charities which will collect decent furniture and goods from your student lets instead of dumping on the street and getting all tax payers to pay for your business. Maxwell's Ghost

11:25pm Mon 3 Dec 12

philipjohn says...

Argus

Some commenters on here seem to forget that people have the right to their own opinion- and also seem to feel they know more about Hanover than Hanover residents.
I personally object to the communal bins but this is not because it's in my nature - it's because I think that the current system can work better than the proposed one - in my street at least, I don't know all others so couldn't comment. 
I do have my own front garden (they exist) so it could well be different elsewhere, but why should my street also need to change? 
It's true that not everyone will be happy all the time- but I don't think people are just moaning, or mad to object- from the people I've spoken to they are citing fair reasons (both general and personal) to object to the scheme. And no-one is expecting someone to knock on their door and pick-up their rubbish... 
Argus Some commenters on here seem to forget that people have the right to their own opinion- and also seem to feel they know more about Hanover than Hanover residents. I personally object to the communal bins but this is not because it's in my nature - it's because I think that the current system can work better than the proposed one - in my street at least, I don't know all others so couldn't comment.  I do have my own front garden (they exist) so it could well be different elsewhere, but why should my street also need to change?  It's true that not everyone will be happy all the time- but I don't think people are just moaning, or mad to object- from the people I've spoken to they are citing fair reasons (both general and personal) to object to the scheme. And no-one is expecting someone to knock on their door and pick-up their rubbish...  philipjohn

11:34pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Camel55 says...

inadaptado wrote:
Dear Hannah Booth, if communal bins attract "fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti", then the problem is not the bins, it's that you have pigs for neighbours.
It's not our neighbours who are "pigs" but the people who walk through our area at night to get to their homes further out of the city centre.
[quote][p][bold]inadaptado[/bold] wrote: Dear Hannah Booth, if communal bins attract "fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti", then the problem is not the bins, it's that you have pigs for neighbours.[/p][/quote]It's not our neighbours who are "pigs" but the people who walk through our area at night to get to their homes further out of the city centre. Camel55

11:52pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Camel55 says...

Simply because communal bins may work well or be accepted in other parts of the city is not an indication that they would be successful in Hanover. Our streets are narrow, trial bins are literally inches away from people's homes and the effect on the trial streets has been to wipe away their charm and unique character. Black bags were never meant to be used except as liners for dustbins. Thank goodness for a council in Cornwall, then, that has had successful trials of strong seagull proof bags made of hessian and propylene. That could be where the future lies. http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-cor
nwall-20395540
Simply because communal bins may work well or be accepted in other parts of the city is not an indication that they would be successful in Hanover. Our streets are narrow, trial bins are literally inches away from people's homes and the effect on the trial streets has been to wipe away their charm and unique character. Black bags were never meant to be used except as liners for dustbins. Thank goodness for a council in Cornwall, then, that has had successful trials of strong seagull proof bags made of hessian and propylene. That could be where the future lies. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-cor nwall-20395540 Camel55

9:37am Tue 4 Dec 12

Hanover_Action says...

All these 'pro' comments, are they from people who are having the bin outside or opposite their houses at all?

Why should two or three properties have a whole street's rubbish outside it? Plus fly tippers, general waste dumpers, and 'I'll clear the loft out!' types?

If the pro people would like to put down their addresses, then we can propose the solution is to put them outside your house, which only seems fair doesn't it?
All these 'pro' comments, are they from people who are having the bin outside or opposite their houses at all? Why should two or three properties have a whole street's rubbish outside it? Plus fly tippers, general waste dumpers, and 'I'll clear the loft out!' types? If the pro people would like to put down their addresses, then we can propose the solution is to put them outside your house, which only seems fair doesn't it? Hanover_Action

9:40am Tue 4 Dec 12

Hanover_Action says...

And, if you're just sticking bin bags outside, and complaining about them being ripped apart, then perhaps something to protect it would work. The food waste around this 'communal bins' (what a joke name for them!), is only going to put the problem in front of one persons house. Not very community minded is it??
And, if you're just sticking bin bags outside, and complaining about them being ripped apart, then perhaps something to protect it would work. The food waste around this 'communal bins' (what a joke name for them!), is only going to put the problem in front of one persons house. Not very community minded is it?? Hanover_Action

9:56am Tue 4 Dec 12

Hanover Resident says...

Hanover_Action wrote:
All these 'pro' comments, are they from people who are having the bin outside or opposite their houses at all? Why should two or three properties have a whole street's rubbish outside it? Plus fly tippers, general waste dumpers, and 'I'll clear the loft out!' types? If the pro people would like to put down their addresses, then we can propose the solution is to put them outside your house, which only seems fair doesn't it?
I completely agree with Hanover_Action, if people are in favour of communal bins in their street that much, put your name down for one directly outside your house, it's a perfectly democratic solution. You have your way and get your bin and the people who don't want them won't have to suffer as much. Somehow I don't think it will be a long list of volunteers. It's all very easy to accuse people of moaning and over reacting when it won't affect you directly.
[quote][p][bold]Hanover_Action[/bold] wrote: All these 'pro' comments, are they from people who are having the bin outside or opposite their houses at all? Why should two or three properties have a whole street's rubbish outside it? Plus fly tippers, general waste dumpers, and 'I'll clear the loft out!' types? If the pro people would like to put down their addresses, then we can propose the solution is to put them outside your house, which only seems fair doesn't it?[/p][/quote]I completely agree with Hanover_Action, if people are in favour of communal bins in their street that much, put your name down for one directly outside your house, it's a perfectly democratic solution. You have your way and get your bin and the people who don't want them won't have to suffer as much. Somehow I don't think it will be a long list of volunteers. It's all very easy to accuse people of moaning and over reacting when it won't affect you directly. Hanover Resident

11:09am Tue 4 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530
Signed it already!
Many thanks. Please pass on the link to all your friends. Possible meeting on Thursday evening at the Napier pub on Southover St 8.00. All welcome. Even the Mayor who drinks there I believe.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Signed it already![/p][/quote]Many thanks. Please pass on the link to all your friends. Possible meeting on Thursday evening at the Napier pub on Southover St 8.00. All welcome. Even the Mayor who drinks there I believe. Dealing with idiots

11:17am Tue 4 Dec 12

Hanover_Action says...

Perhaps just people in Hanover should comment on this subject, as each area of Brighton is different - for example the roads in Hove are wider, and the Brunswick Sq scheme was not directly outside anyone's properties.

This is another example of certain individuals wanting to pass responsibility onto others, not fair, and as said, if you would like this scheme, please volunteer your address...
Perhaps just people in Hanover should comment on this subject, as each area of Brighton is different - for example the roads in Hove are wider, and the Brunswick Sq scheme was not directly outside anyone's properties. This is another example of certain individuals wanting to pass responsibility onto others, not fair, and as said, if you would like this scheme, please volunteer your address... Hanover_Action

2:21pm Tue 4 Dec 12

RJJM says...

http://www.hastings.
gov.uk/environment_p
lanning/cleaner_hast
ings/rubbish_recycle
/future_rubbish_recy
cling/review_future_
rubbish/review/

Streets cleaner, recycling compromised.

Saves money by employing less staff.

BHCC figures as presented flawed as do not compare like with like. By this I mean assumes total adoption in an area (consultation) and that the capital costs of Bin lorry fleet used 5 days week compared with communal emptied 7 daysa week. Also has cost of one side-lifter but uses two or three (around pg 220).

a Vile organisation rules yeh!

Via love it is not.

Back to project work. Bye
http://www.hastings. gov.uk/environment_p lanning/cleaner_hast ings/rubbish_recycle /future_rubbish_recy cling/review_future_ rubbish/review/ Streets cleaner, recycling compromised. Saves money by employing less staff. BHCC figures as presented flawed as do not compare like with like. By this I mean assumes total adoption in an area (consultation) and that the capital costs of Bin lorry fleet used 5 days week compared with communal emptied 7 daysa week. Also has cost of one side-lifter but uses two or three (around pg 220). a Vile organisation rules yeh! Via love it is not. Back to project work. Bye RJJM

2:43pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Aldrington actually says...

I used to live in coleman street and thought the binvelopes were a good idea if people took them back inside when they were empty.
But the problem was that they left them outside all the time because most of the residents are now students and dont seem to care about the area.
I could see the area was going down fast so i moved to hove,problem solved !!!
I used to live in coleman street and thought the binvelopes were a good idea if people took them back inside when they were empty. But the problem was that they left them outside all the time because most of the residents are now students and dont seem to care about the area. I could see the area was going down fast so i moved to hove,problem solved !!! Aldrington actually

3:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

musesboy says...

Oh how I look forward to getting rid of this Green council. Just imagine, no more Tories and Labour supporters posting rubbish (pun intended) and we can get back to the comfortable business of of two party politics without those **** lefty loonies getting in the way.
Oh how I look forward to getting rid of this Green council. Just imagine, no more Tories and Labour supporters posting rubbish (pun intended) and we can get back to the comfortable business of of two party politics without those **** lefty loonies getting in the way. musesboy

3:23pm Tue 4 Dec 12

musesboy says...

musesboy wrote:
Oh how I look forward to getting rid of this Green council. Just imagine, no more Tories and Labour supporters posting rubbish (pun intended) and we can get back to the comfortable business of of two party politics without those **** lefty loonies getting in the way.
Hmmm, so d a m n is a banned word yet I could be as vitriolic as I want and that's OK?
[quote][p][bold]musesboy[/bold] wrote: Oh how I look forward to getting rid of this Green council. Just imagine, no more Tories and Labour supporters posting rubbish (pun intended) and we can get back to the comfortable business of of two party politics without those **** lefty loonies getting in the way.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, so d a m n is a banned word yet I could be as vitriolic as I want and that's OK? musesboy

6:20pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Elizabeth Smith says...

The solution is very simple.

Underground waste containers:

http://www.totallift
ingsolutions.co.uk/A
ssets/PDFs/ecobrochu
re.pdf
The solution is very simple. Underground waste containers: http://www.totallift ingsolutions.co.uk/A ssets/PDFs/ecobrochu re.pdf Elizabeth Smith

6:29pm Tue 4 Dec 12

fredflintstone1 says...

Gillian Marston thinks it's a good idea that everyone has a say on communal bins. Of course she does - just as she did on wheelie bins generally and Wild Park.

But please don't be fooled. The only opinions that are likely to count will be those that are in accord with what the Council wants to do ..... ie put communal bins in place.

This will not be a democratic consultation, but a creative one - something that this Green Council is becoming famous (or infamous) for!
Gillian Marston thinks it's a good idea that everyone has a say on communal bins. Of course she does - just as she did on wheelie bins generally and Wild Park. But please don't be fooled. The only opinions that are likely to count will be those that are in accord with what the Council wants to do ..... ie put communal bins in place. This will not be a democratic consultation, but a creative one - something that this Green Council is becoming famous (or infamous) for! fredflintstone1

7:31pm Tue 4 Dec 12

RJJM says...

Era of pre-decision by Local Authorities stretches back many decades.
Era of pre-decision by Local Authorities stretches back many decades. RJJM

7:25pm Wed 5 Dec 12

rolivan says...

Hanover Terrace homeowner Hannah Booth questioned the effectiveness of a trial of the bins, adding: “They are constantly overflowing with refuse and attract seagulls, fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti and discourage recycling.
Seems like the problem is her neighbours in the surrounding area
Hanover Terrace homeowner Hannah Booth questioned the effectiveness of a trial of the bins, adding: “They are constantly overflowing with refuse and attract seagulls, fly-tipping, urinating and graffiti and discourage recycling. Seems like the problem is her neighbours in the surrounding area rolivan

8:02pm Wed 5 Dec 12

davedebrax says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Ahhh dave, are you a student landlord?
Don't be scared, be clean.
Emmaus and the YMCA are two charities which will collect decent furniture and goods from your student lets instead of dumping on the street and getting all tax payers to pay for your business.
I am not a landlord at all, and I think that you are a bit paranoid.

I just think that it is not very social to take pictures of people to report them when you could just tell them how you feel. The ones you describe don't sound very threatening.

On a lighter note I am surprised that no-one has yet suggested positioning the bins right outside student's houses.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Ahhh dave, are you a student landlord? Don't be scared, be clean. Emmaus and the YMCA are two charities which will collect decent furniture and goods from your student lets instead of dumping on the street and getting all tax payers to pay for your business.[/p][/quote]I am not a landlord at all, and I think that you are a bit paranoid. I just think that it is not very social to take pictures of people to report them when you could just tell them how you feel. The ones you describe don't sound very threatening. On a lighter note I am surprised that no-one has yet suggested positioning the bins right outside student's houses. davedebrax

12:21am Thu 6 Dec 12

Dyno says...

Its great to see so many people in favour of the community bins. Now, if they can let the council know their address we can site the bins outside their houses as they dont seem to be bothered at the stench given out in the summer or the fact that people are dumping large items like mattresses in the roads by them. This should alleviate the "Whinging" residents who currently are due to have them placed outside their houses. I think we have a solution. Oh, and what a selling point your house will have when you place the photo of your property in the estate agents window with a series of large black bins hiding the ground floor of the property... Well, those in favour, time to do your bit for the community and volunteer the front of your property for a refuse site.
Its great to see so many people in favour of the community bins. Now, if they can let the council know their address we can site the bins outside their houses as they dont seem to be bothered at the stench given out in the summer or the fact that people are dumping large items like mattresses in the roads by them. This should alleviate the "Whinging" residents who currently are due to have them placed outside their houses. I think we have a solution. Oh, and what a selling point your house will have when you place the photo of your property in the estate agents window with a series of large black bins hiding the ground floor of the property... Well, those in favour, time to do your bit for the community and volunteer the front of your property for a refuse site. Dyno

11:43am Thu 6 Dec 12

canardminceblanc says...

This is actually about what is more convenient for the council rather than what is good for residents. A street cleaner in Hanover told me recently that any junk near the existing litter bins (which also get fly tipped next to) is supposed to be picked up every couple of hours. It actually happens once a day maximum, less at weekends. So the chances of the council even clearing up the mess around the ugly great communal bins on a sufficiently regular basis are slim. Far more effective would be actual enforcement of existing regs when people put their rubbish out on the wrong day, flytip, or leave binvelopes etc on the street all week. That is part of the council's existing duty that it is failing to perform.
This is actually about what is more convenient for the council rather than what is good for residents. A street cleaner in Hanover told me recently that any junk near the existing litter bins (which also get fly tipped next to) is supposed to be picked up every couple of hours. It actually happens once a day maximum, less at weekends. So the chances of the council even clearing up the mess around the ugly great communal bins on a sufficiently regular basis are slim. Far more effective would be actual enforcement of existing regs when people put their rubbish out on the wrong day, flytip, or leave binvelopes etc on the street all week. That is part of the council's existing duty that it is failing to perform. canardminceblanc

3:44pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Meeting in the Napier at 8.00 for those who want the Bins stopped and the Greens out.
Meeting in the Napier at 8.00 for those who want the Bins stopped and the Greens out. Dealing with idiots

11:33am Fri 7 Dec 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

What load of old tosh, the communal bins work perfectly fine. Boo-hoo you have to walk 20 yards to put your rubbish away.
"I do not need a communal bin. I have a front garden in which I store my rubbish"

Brilliant! Can I come and put my rubbish in your garden too?
What load of old tosh, the communal bins work perfectly fine. Boo-hoo you have to walk 20 yards to put your rubbish away. "I do not need a communal bin. I have a front garden in which I store my rubbish" Brilliant! Can I come and put my rubbish in your garden too? Fairfax Sakes

11:53am Fri 7 Dec 12

Lewesroadresident says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033
530& HPID=6033530
Ummm, the bins were first introduced in 2004, and have been extended under all political parties. So not another thing to blame the Greens for really is it?

It would seem you (or the person who started the petition) are a failed former Tory candidate whose idea of meaningful protest is to threaten to dress in a mankini. Obviously only your concerns about loading must be taken into account, never mind the pedestrians dodging traffic and buses because of obnoxious business owners who refuse to load at a time that doesn't cause chaos for everyone else. The vote on this website was not in your favour.

The Greens are a minority, so the lack of opposition from Tories and Labour is the only thing that allows them to pass legislation. If they really thought Greens were destroying the city they would act. Has it occurred to you that the reason they don't do anything beyond political posturing over Council Tax, is because they know that thanks to your mates in Westminster, they would be having to make exactly the same decisions?

I genuinely don't understand the vitriol directed against the Greens- no one has ever been able to give me any facts about how they are 'damaging' the city any more than any other party ever have.

Just using the word Marxist in a sentence with the word Green, does not make them Marxist. I doubt those who accuse them of that even know what Marxism is. It seems to be completely irrational hatred, which undermines every ranting post about how evil they are.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Ummm, the bins were first introduced in 2004, and have been extended under all political parties. So not another thing to blame the Greens for really is it? It would seem you (or the person who started the petition) are a failed former Tory candidate whose idea of meaningful protest is to threaten to dress in a mankini. Obviously only your concerns about loading must be taken into account, never mind the pedestrians dodging traffic and buses because of obnoxious business owners who refuse to load at a time that doesn't cause chaos for everyone else. The vote on this website was not in your favour. The Greens are a minority, so the lack of opposition from Tories and Labour is the only thing that allows them to pass legislation. If they really thought Greens were destroying the city they would act. Has it occurred to you that the reason they don't do anything beyond political posturing over Council Tax, is because they know that thanks to your mates in Westminster, they would be having to make exactly the same decisions? I genuinely don't understand the vitriol directed against the Greens- no one has ever been able to give me any facts about how they are 'damaging' the city any more than any other party ever have. Just using the word Marxist in a sentence with the word Green, does not make them Marxist. I doubt those who accuse them of that even know what Marxism is. It seems to be completely irrational hatred, which undermines every ranting post about how evil they are. Lewesroadresident

12:48am Sat 8 Dec 12

dingdong2 says...

most residents of Hanover can't wait to have these bins. the streets will be so much tidier, the seagulls will have less rubbish strewn everywhere.

I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people.
most residents of Hanover can't wait to have these bins. the streets will be so much tidier, the seagulls will have less rubbish strewn everywhere. I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people. dingdong2

1:04am Sat 8 Dec 12

leobrighton says...

Can't believe that they are moaning so much considering how they have gone down so well in the areas that already have them. Some people just can't not moan and groan whatever happens
Can't believe that they are moaning so much considering how they have gone down so well in the areas that already have them. Some people just can't not moan and groan whatever happens leobrighton

6:50am Sat 8 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Lewesroadresident wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530
Ummm, the bins were first introduced in 2004, and have been extended under all political parties. So not another thing to blame the Greens for really is it? It would seem you (or the person who started the petition) are a failed former Tory candidate whose idea of meaningful protest is to threaten to dress in a mankini. Obviously only your concerns about loading must be taken into account, never mind the pedestrians dodging traffic and buses because of obnoxious business owners who refuse to load at a time that doesn't cause chaos for everyone else. The vote on this website was not in your favour. The Greens are a minority, so the lack of opposition from Tories and Labour is the only thing that allows them to pass legislation. If they really thought Greens were destroying the city they would act. Has it occurred to you that the reason they don't do anything beyond political posturing over Council Tax, is because they know that thanks to your mates in Westminster, they would be having to make exactly the same decisions? I genuinely don't understand the vitriol directed against the Greens- no one has ever been able to give me any facts about how they are 'damaging' the city any more than any other party ever have. Just using the word Marxist in a sentence with the word Green, does not make them Marxist. I doubt those who accuse them of that even know what Marxism is. It seems to be completely irrational hatred, which undermines every ranting post about how evil they are.
Thank you councillor.
[quote][p][bold]Lewesroadresident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Ummm, the bins were first introduced in 2004, and have been extended under all political parties. So not another thing to blame the Greens for really is it? It would seem you (or the person who started the petition) are a failed former Tory candidate whose idea of meaningful protest is to threaten to dress in a mankini. Obviously only your concerns about loading must be taken into account, never mind the pedestrians dodging traffic and buses because of obnoxious business owners who refuse to load at a time that doesn't cause chaos for everyone else. The vote on this website was not in your favour. The Greens are a minority, so the lack of opposition from Tories and Labour is the only thing that allows them to pass legislation. If they really thought Greens were destroying the city they would act. Has it occurred to you that the reason they don't do anything beyond political posturing over Council Tax, is because they know that thanks to your mates in Westminster, they would be having to make exactly the same decisions? I genuinely don't understand the vitriol directed against the Greens- no one has ever been able to give me any facts about how they are 'damaging' the city any more than any other party ever have. Just using the word Marxist in a sentence with the word Green, does not make them Marxist. I doubt those who accuse them of that even know what Marxism is. It seems to be completely irrational hatred, which undermines every ranting post about how evil they are.[/p][/quote]Thank you councillor. Dealing with idiots

5:21pm Sun 9 Dec 12

Joshiman says...

Street lighting for a start.Try walking down Montpelier Rd at night.New Led lights have made this Road so dark that it could be a muggers paradise.
Street lighting for a start.Try walking down Montpelier Rd at night.New Led lights have made this Road so dark that it could be a muggers paradise. Joshiman

11:35pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Resident in Hanover says...

dingdong2 wrote:
most residents of Hanover can't wait to have these bins. the streets will be so much tidier, the seagulls will have less rubbish strewn everywhere.

I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people.
That's odd, because I was one household member from hundreds and hundreds who signed a petition recently to say otherwise - that most residents in Hanover do not want these bins.

Action speaks louder than words, and we'll happily accept your offer to house the bins outside your house in the event that the Green Party administration bulldozes through the consultation. Although we're not sure your neighbours will be happy.

One person we spoke to said she was very happy with the bins, and when we asked whether she'd be happy to have them outside her house, she said she'd lie down in the road to stop them being placed. She said the noise, the smell, and the rest would make it a horrific idea. Selfishly, she didn't change her mind and so didn't mind that they were going to be outside others' houses nearer the ends of the streets.

How can anyone possibly consider this to be a fair system where the majority less affected are offered the vote against the minority who will be most affected. Fortunately, the Hanover residents themselves are a close knit community and have said 'no' very loud and very clearly.

The consultation is a waste of money and it is no wonder we're now seeing votes accumulating for votes of no confidence for the Green administration.
[quote][p][bold]dingdong2[/bold] wrote: most residents of Hanover can't wait to have these bins. the streets will be so much tidier, the seagulls will have less rubbish strewn everywhere. I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people.[/p][/quote]That's odd, because I was one household member from hundreds and hundreds who signed a petition recently to say otherwise - that most residents in Hanover do not want these bins. Action speaks louder than words, and we'll happily accept your offer to house the bins outside your house in the event that the Green Party administration bulldozes through the consultation. Although we're not sure your neighbours will be happy. One person we spoke to said she was very happy with the bins, and when we asked whether she'd be happy to have them outside her house, she said she'd lie down in the road to stop them being placed. She said the noise, the smell, and the rest would make it a horrific idea. Selfishly, she didn't change her mind and so didn't mind that they were going to be outside others' houses nearer the ends of the streets. How can anyone possibly consider this to be a fair system where the majority less affected are offered the vote against the minority who will be most affected. Fortunately, the Hanover residents themselves are a close knit community and have said 'no' very loud and very clearly. The consultation is a waste of money and it is no wonder we're now seeing votes accumulating for votes of no confidence for the Green administration. Resident in Hanover

10:55am Wed 12 Dec 12

Hanover Resident says...

leobrighton wrote:
Can't believe that they are moaning so much considering how they have gone down so well in the areas that already have them. Some people just can't not moan and groan whatever happens
Who do mean by "they" leobrighton? Do you mean the residents of Hanover who are fully entitled to their opinion on whether "they" would like a communal bin or not? I know, lets just knock all this campaigning on the head now then, as leobroghton says we're just moaning because these bins were alright somewhere else. To make you aware leobrighton, the council wants to site two large bins directly outside my front door, roughly about a metre and a half away from the entrance to my home. This is not a communal entrance to my property, my door opens into my home. The entire rubbish collection for the street and anybody else who is passing will be directly outside my house, where I leave and enter every day and my young children play - do you think I am just "moaning and groaning whatever happens"? How would you like that directly outside your home leobrighton? The same applies to you dingdong2, who says "I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people." Well I Iive at the end of the road and so do my neighbours and we are very bothered - somehow I think your offer to have a bin outside your house is a hollow one, made from the anonymity and safety of the internet and comfortable in the knowledge that it probably won't ever happen. Well why don't you prove us wrong dingdong2 and contact the council, be their communal bin 'poster boy' show us all what a bunch of whingers we are and get the bins outside your house. We'll get the Argus to take a picture of you next to them with your thumbs up, high-fiving a dustman, showing us all how daft we've been - I'll organise it for you if you like, yeah I thought so, not so attactive now is it. It's very easy to be a know it all and cast stones when it doesn't affect you personally.
[quote][p][bold]leobrighton[/bold] wrote: Can't believe that they are moaning so much considering how they have gone down so well in the areas that already have them. Some people just can't not moan and groan whatever happens[/p][/quote]Who do mean by "they" leobrighton? Do you mean the residents of Hanover who are fully entitled to their opinion on whether "they" would like a communal bin or not? I know, lets just knock all this campaigning on the head now then, as leobroghton says we're just moaning because these bins were alright somewhere else. To make you aware leobrighton, the council wants to site two large bins directly outside my front door, roughly about a metre and a half away from the entrance to my home. This is not a communal entrance to my property, my door opens into my home. The entire rubbish collection for the street and anybody else who is passing will be directly outside my house, where I leave and enter every day and my young children play - do you think I am just "moaning and groaning whatever happens"? How would you like that directly outside your home leobrighton? The same applies to you dingdong2, who says "I'd happily volunteer outside my house. The bins usually go near the junctions at end of roads anywhere so don't really bother people." Well I Iive at the end of the road and so do my neighbours and we are very bothered - somehow I think your offer to have a bin outside your house is a hollow one, made from the anonymity and safety of the internet and comfortable in the knowledge that it probably won't ever happen. Well why don't you prove us wrong dingdong2 and contact the council, be their communal bin 'poster boy' show us all what a bunch of whingers we are and get the bins outside your house. We'll get the Argus to take a picture of you next to them with your thumbs up, high-fiving a dustman, showing us all how daft we've been - I'll organise it for you if you like, yeah I thought so, not so attactive now is it. It's very easy to be a know it all and cast stones when it doesn't affect you personally. Hanover Resident

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