Campaign against Brighton station taxi rank plan launched

Taxi rank plans are being opposed by campaigners.

As part of its wider strategy to improve the Brighton Station area, Brighton and Hove City Council has proposed licensed hackney carriages wait in Frederick Place, Brighton.

A petition has been started on the local authority’swebsite claiming it will lead to increased traffic congestion and air pollution.

It adds: “As a scheme, it has no positive planning merit. North Laine should remain a conservation area, not become a disaster area.”

To add your signature visit www.brighton-hove.gov.uk and search for e-petitions.

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9:12am Mon 10 Dec 12

Sussex jim says...

If I arrived in a strange town and required a taxi, I would expect to find one outside the main entrance. Not around the corner in a side street.
If I arrived in a strange town and required a taxi, I would expect to find one outside the main entrance. Not around the corner in a side street. Sussex jim

9:31am Mon 10 Dec 12

mstrong says...

And that's exactly where taxis will be under the new system - outside the main entrance at the front of the station.

That's where they'll pick up passengers. But before they get to the front of the queue they have to queue up somewhere. The proposal is that the TAXIs wait in Trafalgar Street & Frederick Place, NOT passengers.

I do wish people would take a few minutes to check out what's actually proposed before making knee-jerk comments.
And that's exactly where taxis will be under the new system - outside the main entrance at the front of the station. That's where they'll pick up passengers. But before they get to the front of the queue they have to queue up somewhere. The proposal is that the TAXIs wait in Trafalgar Street & Frederick Place, NOT passengers. I do wish people would take a few minutes to check out what's actually proposed before making knee-jerk comments. mstrong

9:31am Mon 10 Dec 12

s_james says...

From the BHCC website: "A new taxi rank will be provided in front of the station in Junction Road, and a queuing area for taxis waiting to join this rank will be provided in Frederick Place and under the bridge in Trafalgar Street. The arrangement will mean taxis are still close to the main entrance to the station and easily accessible"
From the BHCC website: "A new taxi rank will be provided in front of the station in Junction Road, and a queuing area for taxis waiting to join this rank will be provided in Frederick Place and under the bridge in Trafalgar Street. The arrangement will mean taxis are still close to the main entrance to the station and easily accessible" s_james

10:01am Mon 10 Dec 12

Nitrous_McBread says...

Here's the link to the petition: http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionDisplay.aspx?
ID=362&RPID=6078458&
HPID=6078458
Here's the link to the petition: http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=362&RPID=6078458& HPID=6078458 Nitrous_McBread

10:16am Mon 10 Dec 12

Cycling commuter says...

If it stops the ignorant taxi drivers blocking the road outside of the station then this can only be seen as a good proposal.
If it stops the ignorant taxi drivers blocking the road outside of the station then this can only be seen as a good proposal. Cycling commuter

10:42am Mon 10 Dec 12

NickBtn says...

Currently the station is chaos - lots of queuing taxis blocking the roads. It also takes ages to load the queue of people with the queue of taxis as the taxis have to weave across each other to leave

It is hard to think of a worse system than the current one - this seems sensible. Combined with more taxis from the rear of the station this should help reduce pollution, stop blocking buses and cars and help tourists and commuters quickly away from the station
Currently the station is chaos - lots of queuing taxis blocking the roads. It also takes ages to load the queue of people with the queue of taxis as the taxis have to weave across each other to leave It is hard to think of a worse system than the current one - this seems sensible. Combined with more taxis from the rear of the station this should help reduce pollution, stop blocking buses and cars and help tourists and commuters quickly away from the station NickBtn

11:01am Mon 10 Dec 12

inadaptado says...

Since when a Council e-petition is a 'campaign'? I can't honestly think of a laziest and less committed way of asking for something.
Since when a Council e-petition is a 'campaign'? I can't honestly think of a laziest and less committed way of asking for something. inadaptado

11:07am Mon 10 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

Wake up people, this is what the Green party are all about in the city. You have a chance to get them out with a vote of no confidence. E-petition or paper ones please help us to remove these champagne marxists.
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e- petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
http://present.brigh
ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP
etitionDisplay.aspx?
ID=360&RPID=6033530&
HPID=6033530
Wake up people, this is what the Green party are all about in the city. You have a chance to get them out with a vote of no confidence. E-petition or paper ones please help us to remove these champagne marxists. Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e- petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033530& HPID=6033530 Dealing with idiots

11:42am Mon 10 Dec 12

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Brighton, Brighton Station, rank at all costs - avoid!!!
Brighton, Brighton Station, rank at all costs - avoid!!! Tailgaters Anonymous

11:45am Mon 10 Dec 12

aat99 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Wake up people, this is what the Green party are all about in the city. You have a chance to get them out with a vote of no confidence. E-petition or paper ones please help us to remove these champagne marxists.
Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e- petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City.
http://present.brigh

ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP

etitionDisplay.aspx?

ID=360&RPID=6033
530&
HPID=6033530
Maybe you could suggest a better plan to deal with the chaos outside the station rather than use it to bash the Greens .... It's a complete mess outside the station ... you're in a taxi but can't leave because empty taxis are blocking your exit .... brilliant ....
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Wake up people, this is what the Green party are all about in the city. You have a chance to get them out with a vote of no confidence. E-petition or paper ones please help us to remove these champagne marxists. Vote of no confidence in the Green administration e- petition now live on the Brighton and Hove City Council website. If you love your city and want to end the waste and destruction of the Greens, please sign the petition. We need 1250 signatures to get this discussed in full council. Surely there are 1250 angry people in the city who want to make a difference? Save Our City. http://present.brigh ton-hove.gov.uk/mgEP etitionDisplay.aspx? ID=360&RPID=6033 530& HPID=6033530[/p][/quote]Maybe you could suggest a better plan to deal with the chaos outside the station rather than use it to bash the Greens .... It's a complete mess outside the station ... you're in a taxi but can't leave because empty taxis are blocking your exit .... brilliant .... aat99

12:25pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

The station is a mess and I for one blame both the taxi drivers for being willfully ignorant, and the council for letting them do so. About time something was done!
The station is a mess and I for one blame both the taxi drivers for being willfully ignorant, and the council for letting them do so. About time something was done! Fairfax Sakes

12:25pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

The station is a mess and I for one blame both the taxi drivers for being willfully ignorant, and the council for letting them do so. About time something was done!
The station is a mess and I for one blame both the taxi drivers for being willfully ignorant, and the council for letting them do so. About time something was done! Fairfax Sakes

12:53pm Mon 10 Dec 12

chilliman says...

It's likely to get more chaotic if the Council open the way for all taxi licence applications to be granted. There are too many taxis chasing not enough fares as it is, and some drivers are ignorant of the roads outside the centre and ask you for directions.

The rear of the station is bad enough with not enough space for cars to pick up or drop off passengers when all the 40 minute slots are full with vans, and a bus is trying to go round the roundabout but can't because of taxis and cars trying to drop off or collect passengers - Catch 22.

All you need then is rail replacement buses, or a M&S delivery lorry, and nothing goes anywhere but still the people trying to collect passengers pile in and double park.

There used to be a huge area of land at the back of the station but presumably most of it has been sold off withouit enough thought going into creating a proper gateway to Brighton.
It's likely to get more chaotic if the Council open the way for all taxi licence applications to be granted. There are too many taxis chasing not enough fares as it is, and some drivers are ignorant of the roads outside the centre and ask you for directions. The rear of the station is bad enough with not enough space for cars to pick up or drop off passengers when all the 40 minute slots are full with vans, and a bus is trying to go round the roundabout but can't because of taxis and cars trying to drop off or collect passengers - Catch 22. All you need then is rail replacement buses, or a M&S delivery lorry, and nothing goes anywhere but still the people trying to collect passengers pile in and double park. There used to be a huge area of land at the back of the station but presumably most of it has been sold off withouit enough thought going into creating a proper gateway to Brighton. chilliman

1:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

chrisso says...

It's true that the current situation with the taxis is an utter shambles, and the failure to deal with the problem for years has been a complete dereliction of duty by successive councils.
It's true that the current situation with the taxis is an utter shambles, and the failure to deal with the problem for years has been a complete dereliction of duty by successive councils. chrisso

1:31pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space.
For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are.
On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.
f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer. Dealing with idiots

2:05pm Mon 10 Dec 12

inadaptado says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space.
For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are.
On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.
I was this close to taking you seriously, but then you had to bring up a pseudo- conspiracy theory. Now I'm dying to know what will happen when your petition fails (because it is going to fail, don't ever doubt that).
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.[/p][/quote]I was this close to taking you seriously, but then you had to bring up a pseudo- conspiracy theory. Now I'm dying to know what will happen when your petition fails (because it is going to fail, don't ever doubt that). inadaptado

2:08pm Mon 10 Dec 12

aat99 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space.
For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are.
On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.
the chaos outside the station has been getting worse and worse since I came to Brighton in 1993 ... so it's not just the Greens .. but let's not let facts get in the way ....

you make a good point about the buses ... they should be in and out .... but again so should the bulk of the taxis .... lots of other places round the world operate the system at train stations and airports where the bulk of the taxis are a short distance away and the taxis where the passengers are queueing are automatically topped up once they start being used ...
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.[/p][/quote]the chaos outside the station has been getting worse and worse since I came to Brighton in 1993 ... so it's not just the Greens .. but let's not let facts get in the way .... you make a good point about the buses ... they should be in and out .... but again so should the bulk of the taxis .... lots of other places round the world operate the system at train stations and airports where the bulk of the taxis are a short distance away and the taxis where the passengers are queueing are automatically topped up once they start being used ... aat99

4:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

ruberducker says...

things worked ok before,when you could turn left into the station from terminus rd--the busses are gridlocking the road there as a terminus..
things worked ok before,when you could turn left into the station from terminus rd--the busses are gridlocking the road there as a terminus.. ruberducker

6:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

inadaptado wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote: f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.
I was this close to taking you seriously, but then you had to bring up a pseudo- conspiracy theory. Now I'm dying to know what will happen when your petition fails (because it is going to fail, don't ever doubt that).
I would like you to take the situation seriously. No pseudo conspiracy required just simple logic. Jason and his mates want to slow the traffic down either by 20 mph restrictions or manufactured choke points. This will have the effect of prolonging journeys and therefore the ammount of emissions produced. With me so far? Good.
As the emissions go up, Jason will have created a self fullfilling prophecy and have an argument to introduce even more draconian policies. That clear enough for you I hope?
Failure? The only failure I can detect is the one created by loss of control of certail sphincters in the Green administration.
[quote][p][bold]inadaptado[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.[/p][/quote]I was this close to taking you seriously, but then you had to bring up a pseudo- conspiracy theory. Now I'm dying to know what will happen when your petition fails (because it is going to fail, don't ever doubt that).[/p][/quote]I would like you to take the situation seriously. No pseudo conspiracy required just simple logic. Jason and his mates want to slow the traffic down either by 20 mph restrictions or manufactured choke points. This will have the effect of prolonging journeys and therefore the ammount of emissions produced. With me so far? Good. As the emissions go up, Jason will have created a self fullfilling prophecy and have an argument to introduce even more draconian policies. That clear enough for you I hope? Failure? The only failure I can detect is the one created by loss of control of certail sphincters in the Green administration. Dealing with idiots

8:16pm Mon 10 Dec 12

guitarmanzz says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space.
For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are.
On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.
Well said dealing with idiots,that number seven bus sits outside that pub for ages and many thick drivers just sit behing it waiting forever causing huge jams..or you cant get round it anyway cause theres a buiders van or something blocking the way through...as ive said many a time on here the greens contradict themselves wanting a pollution free city they have created MORE POLLUTION with their schemes and poliferation of traffic lights..
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: f you want to make a difference outside the station then find the idiot that put the bus stop outside the pub. Total chaos and designed to produce a jam on purpose. So remove that for starters. Next, stop buses resting at the station. They should be in and out, not sitting there taking up space. For even the most sight impared it is blatantly obvious what the Greens are up to. Choke the traffic, raise the pollution levels and than scream that there is pollution solets have more buses and fewer cars. Beautiful in its simplicity but I for one know what you are doing and the rest of Brighton are gradually waking up too. Even those of a Greenish disposition realise what a bunch of frauds you are. On a happier note, a big thank you to all the cab drivers who signed our paper copy petition today. Working people who love this town. Contract taxi pick up from Kings house Jason. Not any longer.[/p][/quote]Well said dealing with idiots,that number seven bus sits outside that pub for ages and many thick drivers just sit behing it waiting forever causing huge jams..or you cant get round it anyway cause theres a buiders van or something blocking the way through...as ive said many a time on here the greens contradict themselves wanting a pollution free city they have created MORE POLLUTION with their schemes and poliferation of traffic lights.. guitarmanzz

7:00am Tue 11 Dec 12

brightonjoy says...

The North Laine is NOT against the Brighton Station scheme, everybody agrees this area needs to be sorted. They are just against the placing of the Taxi rank/line in a residential area. The station needs the Taxis, so why can they not provide an area for the Taxis to wait to pick up the passengers who arrive on their trains. I am sure also there must be an area of land behind the station where this can happen? This would then be well out of the way of residential homes who will be disturbed by noise and air pollution. Have a good look/read at the councils plans and see the utter chaos they plan to bring to the North Laine. This plan needs to be changed so sign the petition...
The North Laine is NOT against the Brighton Station scheme, everybody agrees this area needs to be sorted. They are just against the placing of the Taxi rank/line in a residential area. The station needs the Taxis, so why can they not provide an area for the Taxis to wait to pick up the passengers who arrive on their trains. I am sure also there must be an area of land behind the station where this can happen? This would then be well out of the way of residential homes who will be disturbed by noise and air pollution. Have a good look/read at the councils plans and see the utter chaos they plan to bring to the North Laine. This plan needs to be changed so sign the petition... brightonjoy

7:26am Wed 12 Dec 12

Nthlainer says...

As brightonjoy says, the petitioners are not against the redevelopment of the front of the station - it is the creation of the taxi queuing area that we have an issue with. First, it will introduce more noise and pollution into Frederick Place, which is a residential street. Second, when the taxi waiting area is full, further taxis will have no option but to drive in circles around the North Laine. Third, the associated new traffic scheme for the North Laine proposed by the Council is unworkable - it sends increased volumes of traffic in each direction down Trafalgar Lane, which is not wide enough for vehicles to pass. I could go on...

In reply to inadaptado, we haven't only set up an e-petition. We've attended meetings and workshops, written emails, delivered leaflets and knocked on doors. We're also looking to address the next meeting of the Council's Transport Committee. The main aim of the petition is to trigger a Council debate, but we need at least 1250 signatures for this to happen.
As brightonjoy says, the petitioners are not against the redevelopment of the front of the station - it is the creation of the taxi queuing area that we have an issue with. First, it will introduce more noise and pollution into Frederick Place, which is a residential street. Second, when the taxi waiting area is full, further taxis will have no option but to drive in circles around the North Laine. Third, the associated new traffic scheme for the North Laine proposed by the Council is unworkable - it sends increased volumes of traffic in each direction down Trafalgar Lane, which is not wide enough for vehicles to pass. I could go on... In reply to inadaptado, we haven't only set up an e-petition. We've attended meetings and workshops, written emails, delivered leaflets and knocked on doors. We're also looking to address the next meeting of the Council's Transport Committee. The main aim of the petition is to trigger a Council debate, but we need at least 1250 signatures for this to happen. Nthlainer

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