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Another independent Brighton record store set to close

The Argus: David Minns, owner of Borderline David Minns, owner of Borderline

Another independent record store is set to close in Brighton.

Brighton music fans are concerned that Borderline records in Gardner Street is following other independent record shops in losing the battle against online downloads and will soon close its doors.

The shop, which has been running since 1987, has been put up for lease at a rent of £22,500 a year.

Owner David Minns said yesterday (December 12) that it was struggling to cope with the decline of the record industry, combined with rising business rates.

But he added that he hoped to keep the Borderline business going from a smaller outlet or as a mail order firm.

He said: “There are no plans to completely demise Borderline. But it is the end of that shop. It is tragic because we have been there 25 years and my first job in 1964 was just up the road.

“A lot of people are having a hard time at the moment, not just in the music industry.

“For small businesses times are changing a lot and the record industry is a business with very small margins.

“The last year in particular has been very hard for us.”

Musical demise

Mr Minns appeared in a film documenting the demise of independent record shops last month.

Last Shop Standing documented the disappearance of more than 2,000 independent record shops in Britain. By 2009 there were just 169 left.

Brighton institution Rounder Records, in Brighton Square, switched off its turntables for the last time earlier this year.

Despite the decline in the number of independent record shops, two of the county’s leading independent record shops said they were still doing well.

George Ginn, 82, owner of the Record Album in Terminus Road, Brighton, has been in business since 1962 and said he hoped to stay open in 2014.

'Very hard'

But he admitted that business has been getting harder.

He said: “I like to think it is not the quantity of customers but the quality.

“I think I have managed to hang on because I stock very specialist things, but it has been very hard.”

Derry Watkins, joint owner of Resident, in Kensington Gardens, which was recently voted the best independent record shop for the second year running, said he was saddened by Bordeline’s closure.

He added: “We are still doing as well as ever and are expecting to do our best year of business this year.

“But we certainly do not delight in other shops closing.

“We want people to keep seeing Brighton as a destination for record shopping.

“We hope to still be here for a long time and keep giving our customers what they want.”

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4:12pm Thu 13 Dec 12

brightonline says...

Why is Brighton and Hove mayor, Bill Randall, serving in the shop?! Great lookelikee!
Why is Brighton and Hove mayor, Bill Randall, serving in the shop?! Great lookelikee! brightonline
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4:25pm Thu 13 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

What a great moustache.
Record shops are closing down because most people download music off the internet now. People just don't bother going into record shops anymore.
Shop keepers need to recognise trends and adapt to survive. Maybe the shop should move into computer games and x box accessories or try and become an off licence. Seems a lot of demand for booze and computer games.
What a great moustache. Record shops are closing down because most people download music off the internet now. People just don't bother going into record shops anymore. Shop keepers need to recognise trends and adapt to survive. Maybe the shop should move into computer games and x box accessories or try and become an off licence. Seems a lot of demand for booze and computer games. sussexram40
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4:35pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Hovite says...

brightonline wrote:
Why is Brighton and Hove mayor, Bill Randall, serving in the shop?! Great lookelikee!
Exactly my thought when clicking on the link.
[quote][p][bold]brightonline[/bold] wrote: Why is Brighton and Hove mayor, Bill Randall, serving in the shop?! Great lookelikee![/p][/quote]Exactly my thought when clicking on the link. Hovite
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4:38pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Bananaskinboy says...

This is a real shame. I can't remember how many records I've bought in Borderline over the years but I can tell you it's good deal of vinyl. Maybe selling online is the only way to go now and if David goes in that direction, I hope I can support him by ordering my vinyl through him. I really hope Borderline can keep going in some way.
This is a real shame. I can't remember how many records I've bought in Borderline over the years but I can tell you it's good deal of vinyl. Maybe selling online is the only way to go now and if David goes in that direction, I hope I can support him by ordering my vinyl through him. I really hope Borderline can keep going in some way. Bananaskinboy
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4:41pm Thu 13 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Most people haven't even got record players anymore. I don't think there's a future for selling records. Even CDs will start to die out. Sad but true. You get a few crusty old die-hards who still like to keep a dusty discoloured record collection - normally with the records arranged in alphabetical order but they are a minority and as they die out the record business will end altogether.
Most people haven't even got record players anymore. I don't think there's a future for selling records. Even CDs will start to die out. Sad but true. You get a few crusty old die-hards who still like to keep a dusty discoloured record collection - normally with the records arranged in alphabetical order but they are a minority and as they die out the record business will end altogether. sussexram40
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4:45pm Thu 13 Dec 12

banargustrolls says...

What a shame, another great one going. I remember when it was a massive shop upstairs where the Komedia is now. Sigh...
What a shame, another great one going. I remember when it was a massive shop upstairs where the Komedia is now. Sigh... banargustrolls
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4:56pm Thu 13 Dec 12

SicklySeagull says...

Sad news,its just not only buying and handling the product but also discussing and learning about music when in the shop.
The chances are it will become a coffee shop which of course are rare in the centre of Brighton.
Sad news,its just not only buying and handling the product but also discussing and learning about music when in the shop. The chances are it will become a coffee shop which of course are rare in the centre of Brighton. SicklySeagull
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5:03pm Thu 13 Dec 12

John Steed says...

£22.5 k per annum rent plus council tax water electric and insurance you got to sell a lot of holes with a bit of vynal round the outside at a tidy profit to cover that lot, and thats before you get to think about a wage.
one of the great things about the north laines and other areas of brighton was its diversity of specialist/niche retailers, vynal, like hi-fi is specialist and like pub's a shrinking market but god help us when all we have left is multinational chains, alcoshops and kebab/pizza/chicken shops run by a multi culturals.
£22.5 k per annum rent plus council tax water electric and insurance you got to sell a lot of holes with a bit of vynal round the outside at a tidy profit to cover that lot, and thats before you get to think about a wage. one of the great things about the north laines and other areas of brighton was its diversity of specialist/niche retailers, vynal, like hi-fi is specialist and like pub's a shrinking market but god help us when all we have left is multinational chains, alcoshops and kebab/pizza/chicken shops run by a multi culturals. John Steed
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5:12pm Thu 13 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

If the rents the problem as pointed out by Argus commentator JS, the owner should look at renting a shop in a cheap area of the city. I reckon these vinyl buffs will don their anoraks and woolly hats and travel for a specialist shop. he doesnt nede to be in a high traffic retail zone like Gardner Street. A little corner shop in a largely residential area perhaps.
If the rents the problem as pointed out by Argus commentator JS, the owner should look at renting a shop in a cheap area of the city. I reckon these vinyl buffs will don their anoraks and woolly hats and travel for a specialist shop. he doesnt nede to be in a high traffic retail zone like Gardner Street. A little corner shop in a largely residential area perhaps. sussexram40
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5:27pm Thu 13 Dec 12

thucydides says...

Hope the rest ot the best shops listed in the Guardian yesterday have better luck......
Hope the rest ot the best shops listed in the Guardian yesterday have better luck...... thucydides
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5:50pm Thu 13 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Yes but fact is people want cheap supermarket chains, off licences selling cheap booze, mobile phone shops, catalogue shops and kebabs and burger outlets. That's life in 2012 Britain. We all know where the door is if we don't like it.
Yes but fact is people want cheap supermarket chains, off licences selling cheap booze, mobile phone shops, catalogue shops and kebabs and burger outlets. That's life in 2012 Britain. We all know where the door is if we don't like it. sussexram40
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6:09pm Thu 13 Dec 12

mustaphaLeeko says...

What does he expect in a PRIME location with lots of passing trade, a similar sized shop went earlier this year round the corner from Argos in the city centre, for only £7500 a year.

Why is he there if he can't afford the rent?

There are still quite a few places well under £10k a year.

Sounds more like free advertising from The Argus for him!
What does he expect in a PRIME location with lots of passing trade, a similar sized shop went earlier this year round the corner from Argos in the city centre, for only £7500 a year. Why is he there if he can't afford the rent? There are still quite a few places well under £10k a year. Sounds more like free advertising from The Argus for him! mustaphaLeeko
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7:20pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Sussex jim says...

I was devastated when the pirate radio stations were outlawed in 1967; and ever since I have built up my own private collection of music. Starting from visiting shops like the Record Album in North road to buy up used singles, and buying "greatest hits" albums new in the big chain shops, I amassed a collection of about 2000 tracks by the mid-seventies. All of which went on cassette.
These days of course I have everything on CD. I buy CD's and rip the tracks I want onto computer, and then compile my own CD's. Yes, I know it's illegal- but having purchased the original I feel morally right.
Vinyl never was a good media. It is really frustrating trying to keep a disc free of dust while recording. Still, good luck to the diehard fans and their specialist shops.
I was devastated when the pirate radio stations were outlawed in 1967; and ever since I have built up my own private collection of music. Starting from visiting shops like the Record Album in North road to buy up used singles, and buying "greatest hits" albums new in the big chain shops, I amassed a collection of about 2000 tracks by the mid-seventies. All of which went on cassette. These days of course I have everything on CD. I buy CD's and rip the tracks I want onto computer, and then compile my own CD's. Yes, I know it's illegal- but having purchased the original I feel morally right. Vinyl never was a good media. It is really frustrating trying to keep a disc free of dust while recording. Still, good luck to the diehard fans and their specialist shops. Sussex jim
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7:36pm Thu 13 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Sussex jim the music man. It's all digital now - even the radio. Clean crisp and soulless. Progress, scratches head ..
Can we have some smiley faces to post up on here please Argus?
Sussex jim the music man. It's all digital now - even the radio. Clean crisp and soulless. Progress, scratches head .. Can we have some smiley faces to post up on here please Argus? sussexram40
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9:11pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Flippin Burghers says...

Grim news. This is a great shop run by people who really know their stuff.
Grim news. This is a great shop run by people who really know their stuff. Flippin Burghers
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10:59pm Thu 13 Dec 12

onerob says...

mustaphaLeeko wrote:
What does he expect in a PRIME location with lots of passing trade, a similar sized shop went earlier this year round the corner from Argos in the city centre, for only £7500 a year.

Why is he there if he can't afford the rent?

There are still quite a few places well under £10k a year.

Sounds more like free advertising from The Argus for him!
Sheesh.
[quote][p][bold]mustaphaLeeko[/bold] wrote: What does he expect in a PRIME location with lots of passing trade, a similar sized shop went earlier this year round the corner from Argos in the city centre, for only £7500 a year. Why is he there if he can't afford the rent? There are still quite a few places well under £10k a year. Sounds more like free advertising from The Argus for him![/p][/quote]Sheesh. onerob
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11:02pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

Times move on and these record shops are clearly way way out of date now. Since downloads have been possible for years, it's amazing they are still going. It is a shame, good old Cd's and records you can't normally get in the shops and are cheaper. It's a bygone era and something we will never see again. I still buy CD's love to do so and have that hard copy and a CD on my shelf. Never wanted to download records.
Times move on and these record shops are clearly way way out of date now. Since downloads have been possible for years, it's amazing they are still going. It is a shame, good old Cd's and records you can't normally get in the shops and are cheaper. It's a bygone era and something we will never see again. I still buy CD's love to do so and have that hard copy and a CD on my shelf. Never wanted to download records. Hoarder12345444
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6:51am Fri 14 Dec 12

Old Ladys Gin says...

Downloaded music will never have the quality and atmosphere of vinyl, never ever.
A good quality deck playing vinyl through real HiFi equipment (Not far eastern junk) will always floor any other kind of reproduction - there really is no comparison.
Downloaded music will never have the quality and atmosphere of vinyl, never ever. A good quality deck playing vinyl through real HiFi equipment (Not far eastern junk) will always floor any other kind of reproduction - there really is no comparison. Old Ladys Gin
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8:27am Fri 14 Dec 12

Dicky71 says...

I shall miss David and his Borderline Record Shop. David's knowledge is immense and also he stocks music, you just can't get elsewhere. As for the record shops, becoming a thing of the past, i blame technology and 8 year children, who know how to use it. Personally, i love and prefer vinyl, many a happy time spent here at Borderline and at Recordland and Wax Factor in Trafalgar Street, Fine Records, Hove and Atomic Sounds in Shoreham.
I shall miss David and his Borderline Record Shop. David's knowledge is immense and also he stocks music, you just can't get elsewhere. As for the record shops, becoming a thing of the past, i blame technology and 8 year children, who know how to use it. Personally, i love and prefer vinyl, many a happy time spent here at Borderline and at Recordland and Wax Factor in Trafalgar Street, Fine Records, Hove and Atomic Sounds in Shoreham. Dicky71
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8:30am Fri 14 Dec 12

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

There may be a future for a few niche shops selling records as artefacts, but as has been pointed out the way we consume music has changed. I've no doubt the bloke who used to sell stone axes and flint arrowheads to passing Druids felt the same way when they introduced metal.
There may be a future for a few niche shops selling records as artefacts, but as has been pointed out the way we consume music has changed. I've no doubt the bloke who used to sell stone axes and flint arrowheads to passing Druids felt the same way when they introduced metal. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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8:54am Fri 14 Dec 12

Jasminetdscott says...

As an avid record collector, I am deeply saddened by this news and the declining record trade.

I cannot believe that the owner of Resident can be so boastful in such a time, the only reason that they are having their 'best year ever' is because the best record shop to exist, Rounders, shut down.
As an avid record collector, I am deeply saddened by this news and the declining record trade. I cannot believe that the owner of Resident can be so boastful in such a time, the only reason that they are having their 'best year ever' is because the best record shop to exist, Rounders, shut down. Jasminetdscott
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9:36am Fri 14 Dec 12

Dealing with idiots says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Yes but fact is people want cheap supermarket chains, off licences selling cheap booze, mobile phone shops, catalogue shops and kebabs and burger outlets. That's life in 2012 Britain. We all know where the door is if we don't like it.
That kind of attitude gets us nowhere and is defeatist in the extreme.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Yes but fact is people want cheap supermarket chains, off licences selling cheap booze, mobile phone shops, catalogue shops and kebabs and burger outlets. That's life in 2012 Britain. We all know where the door is if we don't like it.[/p][/quote]That kind of attitude gets us nowhere and is defeatist in the extreme. Dealing with idiots
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11:28am Fri 14 Dec 12

Fairfax Sakes says...

What a bummer, and indicative of the decline of our economy in general.
On the plus side, Im sure there a few squatters who will be more than happy to step in and look after the place...
What a bummer, and indicative of the decline of our economy in general. On the plus side, Im sure there a few squatters who will be more than happy to step in and look after the place... Fairfax Sakes
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3:59pm Fri 14 Dec 12

salty_pete says...

I didn't buy much in your shop Dave but thouroughly enjoyed your promotions at The Concord, next time I bump into Big Tel I'll let him know he should have bought you a few more drinks. I'll buy you a big brandy next time I'm in the Waggon/Eagle/Basketm
akers/ Heart in Hand. Take it easy, you've earnt it.
I didn't buy much in your shop Dave but thouroughly enjoyed your promotions at The Concord, next time I bump into Big Tel I'll let him know he should have bought you a few more drinks. I'll buy you a big brandy next time I'm in the Waggon/Eagle/Basketm akers/ Heart in Hand. Take it easy, you've earnt it. salty_pete
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6:37pm Fri 14 Dec 12

col' says...

Old Ladys Gin says...
6:51am Fri 14 Dec 12

Downloaded music will never have the quality and atmosphere of vinyl, never ever.
A good quality deck playing vinyl through real HiFi equipment (Not far eastern junk) will always floor any other kind of reproduction - there really is no comparison.”

No ... Unless the vinyl has a blooming great scratch on it that click clicks through the song.
Also, does anyone still possess all those separates ...Record players, Amplifiers, Wharfedale speakers ?? Not sure they do anymore. Time to jump into the 21st century.
Old Ladys Gin says... 6:51am Fri 14 Dec 12 Downloaded music will never have the quality and atmosphere of vinyl, never ever. A good quality deck playing vinyl through real HiFi equipment (Not far eastern junk) will always floor any other kind of reproduction - there really is no comparison.” No ... Unless the vinyl has a blooming great scratch on it that click clicks through the song. Also, does anyone still possess all those separates ...Record players, Amplifiers, Wharfedale speakers ?? Not sure they do anymore. Time to jump into the 21st century. col'
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6:48pm Fri 14 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

I've still got my old separates system. Takes up a lot of space but still sounds so much better than these mini micro modern sound systems. I've got loads of records but I haven't bought one for about 15 years. As far as I know they don't release new music on vinyl so I can't buy them - and all the old stuff I want I've already got on LP. The other thing is, if I wanted a particular old record I think I would search for it on EBay rather than trawling round record shops on the off chance.
I've still got my old separates system. Takes up a lot of space but still sounds so much better than these mini micro modern sound systems. I've got loads of records but I haven't bought one for about 15 years. As far as I know they don't release new music on vinyl so I can't buy them - and all the old stuff I want I've already got on LP. The other thing is, if I wanted a particular old record I think I would search for it on EBay rather than trawling round record shops on the off chance. sussexram40
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10:02am Sat 15 Dec 12

toldsloth says...

The amount of ill-informed CARP on here is amazing! Vinyl has never been more popular and while it is slightly niche', sales of the black plastic are actually outstripping CD's which are dying a death. Vinyl is being bought by all ages and is "cool" and it is still the most technically superior solution to storage of music because it is analogue.

"COL" - I possess "all those separates” and I am firmly in the 21st Century - I buy and play vinyl records. I also have a NAS unit which has my complete CD collection of almost 2000 disks "ripped" into FLAC format for playing through a PC and DAC onto my amp and speakers. I also have copies of all of those digital files as MP3 to use on the iPod. I listen to high resolution 24bit downloads which are amazing sound quality but I can categorically state that my record deck wipes the floor with even the highest quality digital file. There is simply no contest. I will be advertising my CD’s for sale as the format is dying but I would never get rid of my vinyl.

"SUSSEXRAM40" - "I don't wear an anorak or a woolly hat" - I am a professional 45 year old male who loves MUSIC on all formats and has embraced the digital solutions out there but still prefers the vastly superior sound quality offered by vinyl. The ownership experience of vinyl is far more enjoyable than downloading a low resolution MP3 from iTunes which can be dismissed to the ether with the flick of a “delete” key. Apple has popularised the digital music business with the iPhone / iPod and the Store however it only offers low quality downloads which people are wising up to – they actually want high quality sound and many are prepared to pay for the privilege.

"HOARDER12345444" - I think you'll find that YOU are the one whos supporting a bygone era with CD. The format is dying and vinyl is very much on the rise as is high quality digital downloads. I think you'll find yourself in posession of a lot of small silver disks from a bygone era before long :-)

I buy a fair amount of vinyl from Borderline and only recently purchased a £40 copy of the new Donal Fagen album from David. I could have bought it slightly cheaper from the web but I CHOSE TO SUPPORT A LOCAL SPECIALIST BUSINESS - what a shame more people don't make that simple choice and ensure that the variety and attractiveness of The Laines is preserved.

JASMINETDSCOTT - Rounder had a certain "charm" but it was expensive and stock levels were simply not that great. Resident on the other hand is staffed by knowledgeable and friendly staff who operate a business that stocks a good balance of mainstream and more specialist music and has seen the light by converting more of its display space to .......vinyl because they are selling it hand over fist!

At the end of the day, David is trying to keep a much needed business in play in today’s cut-throat marketplace which is driven by cost conscious consumers who are focussing on nothing but the cost and ignoring the fact that unless people support businesses such as this, the diversity and look of areas such as The Laines are going to change for the worse.
The amount of ill-informed CARP on here is amazing! Vinyl has never been more popular and while it is slightly niche', sales of the black plastic are actually outstripping CD's which are dying a death. Vinyl is being bought by all ages and is "cool" and it is still the most technically superior solution to storage of music because it is analogue. "COL" - I possess "all those separates” and I am firmly in the 21st Century - I buy and play vinyl records. I also have a NAS unit which has my complete CD collection of almost 2000 disks "ripped" into FLAC format for playing through a PC and DAC onto my amp and speakers. I also have copies of all of those digital files as MP3 to use on the iPod. I listen to high resolution 24bit downloads which are amazing sound quality but I can categorically state that my record deck wipes the floor with even the highest quality digital file. There is simply no contest. I will be advertising my CD’s for sale as the format is dying but I would never get rid of my vinyl. "SUSSEXRAM40" - "I don't wear an anorak or a woolly hat" - I am a professional 45 year old male who loves MUSIC on all formats and has embraced the digital solutions out there but still prefers the vastly superior sound quality offered by vinyl. The ownership experience of vinyl is far more enjoyable than downloading a low resolution MP3 from iTunes which can be dismissed to the ether with the flick of a “delete” key. Apple has popularised the digital music business with the iPhone / iPod and the Store however it only offers low quality downloads which people are wising up to – they actually want high quality sound and many are prepared to pay for the privilege. "HOARDER12345444" - I think you'll find that YOU are the one whos supporting a bygone era with CD. The format is dying and vinyl is very much on the rise as is high quality digital downloads. I think you'll find yourself in posession of a lot of small silver disks from a bygone era before long :-) I buy a fair amount of vinyl from Borderline and only recently purchased a £40 copy of the new Donal Fagen album from David. I could have bought it slightly cheaper from the web but I CHOSE TO SUPPORT A LOCAL SPECIALIST BUSINESS - what a shame more people don't make that simple choice and ensure that the variety and attractiveness of The Laines is preserved. JASMINETDSCOTT - Rounder had a certain "charm" but it was expensive and stock levels were simply not that great. Resident on the other hand is staffed by knowledgeable and friendly staff who operate a business that stocks a good balance of mainstream and more specialist music and has seen the light by converting more of its display space to .......vinyl because they are selling it hand over fist! At the end of the day, David is trying to keep a much needed business in play in today’s cut-throat marketplace which is driven by cost conscious consumers who are focussing on nothing but the cost and ignoring the fact that unless people support businesses such as this, the diversity and look of areas such as The Laines are going to change for the worse. toldsloth
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