Five years in Guantanamo Bay have led Brighton man to help those in need (From The Argus)

just what we need another trouble maker in england . there was a reason the yanks grabed him ? why did he come here and not back to Pakistan. i would nt trust him

I agree. People were put in QB for very good reasons. I don't think any were innocent.

Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.

Obviously the right justice would be to deport this family back to Libya which is now a "safe" country.

Deport them as soon as possible back to their country of origin.

JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.

Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.

if you can't do the time...... don't do the crime

Well, Ben, I think that's what most of us would term an own goal.

I like trains.

JHunty wrote:
Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.

I agree. Don't think the Argus should be giving this man a sympathetic platform. He should be deported.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.

Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!

gaz scott wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.

Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!

Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.

Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!

Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye

Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:
Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.

My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned.

mnairb wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:
Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.

My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned.

The conclusion remains as before and as stated by the more intelligent posters on this site.

Gaz as always is in a minority of one and will continue to embarrass himself by his actions; it is his chosen way.

gaz scott wrote:

Somethingsarejustwro

ng wrote:

gaz scott wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.

Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!

Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye

Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too.

Just a year, a week and a day ago since the disgraceful mess that occupy Brighton wasters left at Victoria gardens had to be cleared away at tax payers expense. I am raising a large glass of fine Merlot (new world) and laughing out loud at you Gaz.

Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.

Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.

george smith wrote:
Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.

I think the huge pay off "mnairb" mentioned should sort that out so I wouldn't worry your head about it.

All goes to keep the State's embarrassing little secrets out of open court.

Gaz I am a journalist with 30 years experience. The argus campaign was not about a fair trial, it was purely about freeing someone from Guantanamo Bay.
As I've said the journalism was poor because there are still dozens of unanswered questions which will always leave this man's reputation in question hence some of the comments on here.
It's a dangerous position to campaign without closing loose ends.
Those who were involved salute themselves with victory, however, I feel this man has been let down by them and he will always be the man with unanswered questions hanging over him.
Even the story above mentions that he was due to stand trial in Spain but was too mentally scarred to do so.
No right of reply about the accusations etc. a dangerous position for this man whose reputation is in tatters by poor journalism and over excitable freedom fighters who thought of their own outcomes rather than his i suspect.

JHunty wrote:
Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.

Well Said

I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus.

This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum.

I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit.

However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t.

EasymoneyUKsuckers wrote:
I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus.

This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum.

I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit.

However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t.

So Argus readers (paying and unpaying) suggesting not only trial by media but punishment by media too. What a delightful bunch you are.

Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour.

Appalling journalism.

juleshove wrote:
Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour.

Where do have I said I support terrorists or excuse anyone's behaviour?

I support everyone's right to a fair trial. That applies to people I may despise as well as people I might support. The absence of a fair, open and honest justice system should shame us all as should many of the frankly racist comments on this appalling list.

On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law.

The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share.

These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion.

For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening.

Orlando Faark wrote:
On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law.

The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share.

These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion.

For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening.

Oh do me a favour!

Surely this story is about someone who by the sound of it has been involved in and been held for suspected terrorism.

In the big wide world there are numerous pockets of similar miscreants and where society fails, its because people like gaz scott are listened to and we namby pamby around without dealing with the elephant in the room. Look at the idiot with the hook, playing the system and getting away with it.

Other countries are somewhat wiser and less tolerant and in my view adopt sensible and pragmatic policies; especially those in south America where cleansing is just business as usual.

Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off.

We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away.

I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.

I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of the comment from Beethoven above.

The 'Bay' was established to hold and deal with the worst of the worst in the world and has largely served its purpose. Regrettably a few of the so called inmates have managed to exit the Bay and we should all be concerned and keep these people firmly in our sights to protect our society.

The authorities might wish to scrutinise people like Beethoven for similar reasons?

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.

Beethaven. With respect you are totally wrong. All of the inmates were supporting the taliban and in the field of battle. All were terrorists who would not think twice about killing you and all your family if you did something the taliban did not agree with.

To show your support for these terrorists is an insult to civilised society and shows you up with respect as a fool.

AmboGuy wrote:
Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off.

We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away.

Completely agree. Well said.

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.

I would like to send you to Guantanamo Bay.