Five years in Guantanamo Bay have led Brighton man to help those in need

Omar Deghayes back home in Saltdean

Omar Deghayes back home in Saltdean

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Five years ago this week Omar Deghayes was released from Guantanamo Bay to return to his family in Saltdean. A broken man, suffering from the effects of post-traumatic stress, it was feared that the law student would never be the same again. Five years on, in an exclusive interview with The Argus, the 43-year-old tells BEN JAMES how he has put his life back together.

Omar Deghayes was imprisoned without charge for five years in the world’s most controversial prison.

Suspected of terrorism, he was arrested in Pakistan at the start of the so-called War on Terror and taken to the United States’ military base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

He says he was tortured, kept in solitary confinement and blinded in one eye by a guard at Camp Delta, a terrorist detention centre there.

Following his release in December 2007, he suffered from depression and the effects of post-traumatic stress.

Today, with a new baby, a new home and plans to set up his own human rights organisation, he is looking to the future.

Omar was born in Libya, but his family fled the country when he was a boy after his union organiser father was executed.

The Argus: Mother Zohra Zewawi, 65, (2ND LEFT) and Omar's brother Abubaker Deghayes, 39, (3RD FROM LEFT) holding Taleb Deghayes, 2, celebrate the news that Guantanamo detainee Omar Deghayes, 38, is on his way home after five years held in the camp. They are pictured at the family home in Saltdean with Abubaker Deghayes daughter Aisha Deghayes, 15, (1ST LEFT) Tamara Deghayes (RIGHT) holding Taha, 3 months, and Ziko Deghayes, 6, (FRONT)

OMAR'S FAMILY: Mother Zohra Zewawi, 65, (second left) and Omar's brother Abubaker Deghayes, 39, (third from left) holding Taleb Deghayes, two, celebrate the news that Guantanamo detainee Omar Deghayes, 38, is on his way home after five years held in the camp. They are pictured at the family home in Saltdean with Abubaker Deghayes daughter Aisha Deghayes, 15, (first left) Tamara Deghayes (right) holding Taha, three months, and Ziko Deghayes, siz, (front)

His family settled in Saltdean, but on a visit to Pakistan in 2002, Omar was arrested and deported to Guantanamo Bay.

Following a widely supported Free Omar campaign, backed by The Argus, the government secured his release and he was flown back to the UK, where he cleared his name.

He says: “We were fighting for compensation but in the end we agreed to an out of court settlement on the agreement that there would be an inquiry into our treatment.

“That has been delayed, but I’m hopeful that it will start soon.

“I think it is important to get to the bottom of what happened and whether our treatment was the work of a few individuals or whether it stretched further up the chain of command.”

'Without charge'

Omar is concentrating his efforts on helping those who are still imprisoned.

He said: “There are still six Libyans in there without charge or conviction.

“There isn’t the same amount of media attention on Guantanamo anymore, but for those six it is as horrific as ever.

“There’s no end in sight for them so I’m trying to do what I can to help.”

When asked whether helping those in his former prison brings horrendous memories flooding back, Omar pauses.

“Yes it does,” he said defiantly, “but they need help.

“In a way it is an advantage that I have been there, because when I work, I work from the heart.

An emotional journey

“The lawyers who help out always have a financial incentive, but I do it all voluntary and try to cover my costs. It is all from the heart.”

In the years after his release, Omar’s family life began to get back to normal.

But his world was turned upside down once more when his younger brother went missing in Libya in the chaos that led up to the overthrow and death of Colonel Gaddafi.

He said: “We were very worried about him. It was very chaotic at the time, with records being misplaced and mixed up.

“We eventually managed to get hold of him and he flew home to his family.

“He’s back in Saltdean and his children are now in primary school.

“He’s doing really well.”

Emotional journey

Following the fall of Gaddafi and the Arab Spring, Omar felt inspired to seize the opportunity to transform his homeland.

He made the emotional journey back to Libya and now plans to set up a human rights organisation there.

He said: “It’s brilliant that we can go back and visit.

“For my family, we never thought that it would be safe.

“People there are free to think and believe what they like now. However, there are still plenty of problems.

“Gaddafi left a country without infrastructure, organisations or institutions.

“The new Libya is going to take a lot of work but I want to be a part of that.”

Human rights

As a result, Omar is now straddling both countries as he tries to make his mark.

He adds: “That is the end goal - to set up my own human rights organisation which links both my homes, the UK and Libya.”

There is one important part of his life keeping him occupied in Brighton at the moment.

Just over a month ago, Omar’s wife gave birth to their third child, Ibrahim, at Royal Sussex County Hospital.

He said: “He’s doing really well. He doesn’t cry as much as my middle child, so he’s no trouble at all.

“I’ve recently moved down to the marina, which is really nice.

“I really enjoy living in Brighton. The scenery is beautiful and there are so many lovely walks and places to go jogging.”

Arab Spring

It is not just Omar who has been inspired by the Arab Spring.

His brother, Abubaker, who was the driving force behind the Free Omar campaign, is now working at refugee camps near the border of Turkey and Syria.

Omar said: “He is a hard worker and is always going out his way to help people.

“I also have a lot to thank him for – if it wasn’t for him, I don’t know what might have happened.

“I would also like to thank everybody at The Argus and all the readers.

“I wouldn’t have the happy life I have now if it wasn’t for you.

“You were all there for me five years ago and I really appreciate that.”

Long road to freedom for Omar Deghayes

The Argus: Campaigning for Omar's return from Guantanamo

Omar Deghayes was brought to Guantanamo Bay in 2002 and held until 2007.

The Argus’s Justice For Omar campaign backed calls by his family, supporters and MPs for the US government either to charge him or return him to Britain.

And the Save Omar campaign brought protesters onto the streets – in the unmistakeable orange uniforms of the notorious jail.

Campaigners claimed the Pakistan authorities had simply rounded up foreign nationals and handed them over as suspected terrorists in return for US financial aid.

Omar’s brother, Abubaker, travelled to Tony Blair’s constituency of Sedgefield to demonstrate at the Labour Club where the then-prime minister was announcing his resignation.

Clive Stafford-Smith, of human rights charity Reprieve, took up the case.

Omar was said to be a victim of mistaken identity, confused with a Chechen rebel who was linked to the Madrid railway bombings of 2004.

Eventually, the UK Government requested his release.

The ordeal was not quite over. Spain requested Omar’s extradition so it could conduct its own investigation.

But in March 2008 the authorities there accepted that the psychological distress caused by his time in Guantanamo meant he was not fit to stand trial.

Guantanamo Bay

When the first pictures of conditions at Guantanamo Bay were published in 2002, they provoked international outrage.

US soldiers stood over orange-uniformed inmates as they crouched on the ground, their hands bound and faces masked.

In the aftermath of the September 11 bombings and the Nato-led invasion of Afghanistan, the human rights of prisoners accused of terrorism would become a running sore in the West.

All British citizens held at Guantanamo had been released by January 2005.

But Omar, who is Libyan-born but has British residency, was left in a legal limbo for almost three years longer.

Evidence from FBI observers at Guantanamo Bay, including Camp Delta where Omar was held, was made public in 2004.

Their testimonies included accounts of prisoners being left manacled in the foetal position for 24 hours without food, water or the use of a toilet.

German shepherd dogs were also used to intimidate inmates.

Some prisoners with beards and long hair had duct tape wrapped around their heads.

Female guards gave lap-dances and fondled the prisoners to taunt them for their devoutly religious beliefs.

And strobe lighting and loud rap music was used for 16 hours at a time to mentally exhaust detainees, some of whom were interrogated for 24 hours straight.

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8:21am Sat 22 Dec 12

john5001 says...

just what we need another trouble maker in england . there was a reason the yanks grabed him ? why did he come here and not back to Pakistan. i would nt trust him
just what we need another trouble maker in england . there was a reason the yanks grabed him ? why did he come here and not back to Pakistan. i would nt trust him john5001
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8:28am Sat 22 Dec 12

juleshove says...

I agree. People were put in QB for very good reasons. I don't think any were innocent.
I agree. People were put in QB for very good reasons. I don't think any were innocent. juleshove
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9:31am Sat 22 Dec 12

JHunty says...

Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.
Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points. The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all. Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters. He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune. Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that. His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition. He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him. JHunty
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10:13am Sat 22 Dec 12

lordenglandofsussex says...

Obviously the right justice would be to deport this family back to Libya which is now a "safe" country.

Deport them as soon as possible back to their country of origin.
Obviously the right justice would be to deport this family back to Libya which is now a "safe" country. Deport them as soon as possible back to their country of origin. lordenglandofsussex
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10:47am Sat 22 Dec 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer. The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions. For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy. Maxwell's Ghost
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11:46am Sat 22 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.
Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker. The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton. Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible. Somethingsarejustwrong
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11:58am Sat 22 Dec 12

gusset snatcher says...

if you can't do the time...... don't do the crime
if you can't do the time...... don't do the crime gusset snatcher
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12:09pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Vigilia says...

Well, Ben, I think that's what most of us would term an own goal.
Well, Ben, I think that's what most of us would term an own goal. Vigilia
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2:28pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Roundbill says...

I like trains.
I like trains. Roundbill
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3:43pm Sat 22 Dec 12

juleshove says...

JHunty wrote:
Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.
I agree. Don't think the Argus should be giving this man a sympathetic platform. He should be deported.
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points. The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all. Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters. He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune. Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that. His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition. He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.[/p][/quote]I agree. Don't think the Argus should be giving this man a sympathetic platform. He should be deported. juleshove
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4:19pm Sat 22 Dec 12

gaz scott says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.
Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer. The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions. For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.[/p][/quote]Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK. I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it! gaz scott
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5:41pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

gaz scott wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.
Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!
Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer. The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions. For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.[/p][/quote]Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK. I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it![/p][/quote]Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both. In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above. Goodbye Somethingsarejustwrong
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5:56pm Sat 22 Dec 12

gaz scott says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.
Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!
Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye
Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer. The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions. For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.[/p][/quote]Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK. I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it![/p][/quote]Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both. In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above. Goodbye[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too. gaz scott
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6:39pm Sat 22 Dec 12

mnairb says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.
My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker. The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton. Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.[/p][/quote]My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned. mnairb
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7:15pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

mnairb wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker.

The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton.

Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.
My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned.
The conclusion remains as before and as stated by the more intelligent posters on this site.

Gaz as always is in a minority of one and will continue to embarrass himself by his actions; it is his chosen way.
[quote][p][bold]mnairb[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: Outrageous, yet another drain on the benefits system and no doubt another pavement blocker. The posts made above measure the sentiment of all balanced people in Brighton. Shortly we will no doubt hear from the Green party's very own village idiot who will probably go to great lengths to attempt to justify the indefensible.[/p][/quote]My understanding is that he, along with a number of other ex-detainees, were sprayed with a large amount of taxpayers cash to keep quiet about certain allegations that they made about British Intelligence involvement - a six figure sum was mentioned.[/p][/quote]The conclusion remains as before and as stated by the more intelligent posters on this site. Gaz as always is in a minority of one and will continue to embarrass himself by his actions; it is his chosen way. Somethingsarejustwrong
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7:32pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

gaz scott wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer.
The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions.
For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.
Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK.

I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it!
Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both.

In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above.

Goodbye
Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too.
Just a year, a week and a day ago since the disgraceful mess that occupy Brighton wasters left at Victoria gardens had to be cleared away at tax payers expense. I am raising a large glass of fine Merlot (new world) and laughing out loud at you Gaz.
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: JHunty is correct. As a journalist i was intereted in this case as Mr Deghayes failed to answer key questions and during the campaign run by Argus journalists to free him they never asked him critical questions whuch were being asked by the public. There are also questions around his education which came to light which he also failed to answer. The only way this man will have his reputation restored is for the argus to run one of their interviews where we get to ask some key questions. For a newspaper to run a campaign against Guantanamo bay was a moral decision but to run a campaign on behalf of an individual without question was foolhardy.[/p][/quote]Importantly the whole campaign was about an individual's right to a fair trial. Whether he was guilty or innocent was never tested in a fair trial and that is the issue. So I (and I assume the Argus since they supported his campaign) would take the moral stand that everyone is entitled to due process and anyone who disagrees with that is, in my eyes on the wrong side of morality and the law. But I guess many on here think that as long as it's Fred Foreigner it's OK. I find it amusing how many people seem to support the idea of trial by media. Yea that always works out well doesn't it![/p][/quote]Equally,I find it amusing every time I read one of your blinkered, fence straddling and nonsensical posts and would suggest you may wish to consider suing the people who provided your education, or disown your parents.....or both. In the interim and regardless we all know whats right and what isn't and the solution is well documented in the posts above. Goodbye[/p][/quote]Thanks for the comment which fully demonstrates you have absolutely nothing of any significance to offer. Only verbiage and insults. Goodbye to you too.[/p][/quote]Just a year, a week and a day ago since the disgraceful mess that occupy Brighton wasters left at Victoria gardens had to be cleared away at tax payers expense. I am raising a large glass of fine Merlot (new world) and laughing out loud at you Gaz. Somethingsarejustwrong
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8:23pm Sat 22 Dec 12

george smith says...

Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.
Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially. george smith
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8:23pm Sat 22 Dec 12

george smith says...

Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.
Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially. george smith
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8:29pm Sat 22 Dec 12

gaz scott says...

george smith wrote:
Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.
I think the huge pay off "mnairb" mentioned should sort that out so I wouldn't worry your head about it.

All goes to keep the State's embarrassing little secrets out of open court.
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: Hope we are not funding the new baby. From the picture there is 7 of them pictured. Think he needs to stop worrying about how to set a human rights organisation, but how they are going to survive financially.[/p][/quote]I think the huge pay off "mnairb" mentioned should sort that out so I wouldn't worry your head about it. All goes to keep the State's embarrassing little secrets out of open court. gaz scott
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10:37pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Gaz I am a journalist with 30 years experience. The argus campaign was not about a fair trial, it was purely about freeing someone from Guantanamo Bay.
As I've said the journalism was poor because there are still dozens of unanswered questions which will always leave this man's reputation in question hence some of the comments on here.
It's a dangerous position to campaign without closing loose ends.
Those who were involved salute themselves with victory, however, I feel this man has been let down by them and he will always be the man with unanswered questions hanging over him.
Even the story above mentions that he was due to stand trial in Spain but was too mentally scarred to do so.
No right of reply about the accusations etc. a dangerous position for this man whose reputation is in tatters by poor journalism and over excitable freedom fighters who thought of their own outcomes rather than his i suspect.
Gaz I am a journalist with 30 years experience. The argus campaign was not about a fair trial, it was purely about freeing someone from Guantanamo Bay. As I've said the journalism was poor because there are still dozens of unanswered questions which will always leave this man's reputation in question hence some of the comments on here. It's a dangerous position to campaign without closing loose ends. Those who were involved salute themselves with victory, however, I feel this man has been let down by them and he will always be the man with unanswered questions hanging over him. Even the story above mentions that he was due to stand trial in Spain but was too mentally scarred to do so. No right of reply about the accusations etc. a dangerous position for this man whose reputation is in tatters by poor journalism and over excitable freedom fighters who thought of their own outcomes rather than his i suspect. Maxwell's Ghost
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2:04am Sun 23 Dec 12

EasymoneyUKsuckers says...

JHunty wrote:
Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points.
The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all.
Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters.
He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune.
Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that.
His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition.
He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.
Well Said
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: Shame The Argus misses out some obvious points and deliberately misleads on other points. The Save Omar campaign was in fact one of the least supported campaigns in Brightons history. Often two or three people would be the total number turning out for demonstrations. It had no popular support at all. Omar was arrested in Pakistan, after fleeing from Afghanistan, a country he had entered illegally on a false passport. A country he went to in order as he says to learn about Islam from the Taliban. Whilst in that country he worked for a charity that supported Taliban fighters. He went from being a penniless student to having hundreds of thousands of dollars go through his account with no explanation ever being given for his sudden turn around in fortune. Not a single one of his wild claims about what he witnessed in prison have ever been verified, which as he claims to have witnessed two murders by guards you would have thought there may be some proof of claims like that. His claims of mistreatment, accepted uncritically by The Argus and his supporters don't stand up to scrutiny either, he was sprayed with pepper spray, he refused medical treatment and in so doing aggravated an existing medical condition. He has consistently refused to give a full account of his time in Afghanistan, he was not a British citizen at the time of his arrest, indeed he preferred to travel to Afghanistan than to complete the process of obtaining British citizenship. Like many others I wonder why it is that this man has any claim against our government, he was not a citizen of this country, this country did not arrest him or detain him.[/p][/quote]Well Said EasymoneyUKsuckers
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2:16am Sun 23 Dec 12

EasymoneyUKsuckers says...

I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus.

This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum.

I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit.

However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t.
I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus. This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum. I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit. However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t. EasymoneyUKsuckers
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8:29am Sun 23 Dec 12

gaz scott says...

EasymoneyUKsuckers wrote:
I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus.

This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum.

I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit.

However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t.
So Argus readers (paying and unpaying) suggesting not only trial by media but punishment by media too. What a delightful bunch you are.
[quote][p][bold]EasymoneyUKsuckers[/bold] wrote: I thought that papers were meant to be impartial - obviously not the Argus. This Omar business makes my blood boil and the fact that the Argus supported this worm makes it even worse and makes me think that Brighton has just got far to lefty and now the lunatics are running the asylum. I have to question why a commercial paper like the Argus would so loudly back a campaign that 99% of its readers would not back. Since this campaign I have never paid for an Argus and never will again, instead I read it online and they get no revenue. I suggest everyone else who feels the same way follows suit. However, I can thank the Argus for printing a recent picture of the scumbag in the hope that he crosses the path of someone who is not willing to sit back and take this Sh#t.[/p][/quote]So Argus readers (paying and unpaying) suggesting not only trial by media but punishment by media too. What a delightful bunch you are. gaz scott
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9:30am Sun 23 Dec 12

juleshove says...

Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour.
Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour. juleshove
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9:48am Sun 23 Dec 12

Orlando Faark says...

Appalling journalism.
Appalling journalism. Orlando Faark
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10:04am Sun 23 Dec 12

gaz scott says...

juleshove wrote:
Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour.
Where do have I said I support terrorists or excuse anyone's behaviour?

I support everyone's right to a fair trial. That applies to people I may despise as well as people I might support. The absence of a fair, open and honest justice system should shame us all as should many of the frankly racist comments on this appalling list.
[quote][p][bold]juleshove[/bold] wrote: Well at least we don't support terrorists gaz scott or try to make pathetic excuses for their behaviour.[/p][/quote]Where do have I said I support terrorists or excuse anyone's behaviour? I support everyone's right to a fair trial. That applies to people I may despise as well as people I might support. The absence of a fair, open and honest justice system should shame us all as should many of the frankly racist comments on this appalling list. gaz scott
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10:41am Sun 23 Dec 12

Orlando Faark says...

On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law.

The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share.

These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion.

For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening.
On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law. The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share. These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion. For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening. Orlando Faark
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4:59pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Orlando Faark wrote:
On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law.

The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share.

These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion.

For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening.
Oh do me a favour!

Surely this story is about someone who by the sound of it has been involved in and been held for suspected terrorism.

In the big wide world there are numerous pockets of similar miscreants and where society fails, its because people like gaz scott are listened to and we namby pamby around without dealing with the elephant in the room. Look at the idiot with the hook, playing the system and getting away with it.

Other countries are somewhat wiser and less tolerant and in my view adopt sensible and pragmatic policies; especially those in south America where cleansing is just business as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Orlando Faark[/bold] wrote: On a general point not related to this case, I believe there are many gay people who would share our desire for democracy and justice through fair trial. Sadly they are no longer alive having recently received trial and judgement and execution via some kind of 'holy' law. The silence from more moderately deluded pixie worshippers and ooman rights activists seems deafening to me when slaughter or abuse occurs via the more devout followers of the religions or objectives they share. These trials were considered fair and just and the 'will of god'. Apologists for depraved and primitive belief systems should share the guilt with those who operate in any country under any mass delusion. For me, refusal to reject and deplore any religion that seeks to persecute non-believers cannot be viewed as anything other than sickening.[/p][/quote]Oh do me a favour! Surely this story is about someone who by the sound of it has been involved in and been held for suspected terrorism. In the big wide world there are numerous pockets of similar miscreants and where society fails, its because people like gaz scott are listened to and we namby pamby around without dealing with the elephant in the room. Look at the idiot with the hook, playing the system and getting away with it. Other countries are somewhat wiser and less tolerant and in my view adopt sensible and pragmatic policies; especially those in south America where cleansing is just business as usual. Somethingsarejustwrong
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12:10pm Mon 24 Dec 12

AmboGuy says...

Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off.

We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away.
Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off. We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away. AmboGuy
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1:55pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Beethoven says...

I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above. Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful. Beethoven
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4:01pm Mon 24 Dec 12

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of the comment from Beethoven above.

The 'Bay' was established to hold and deal with the worst of the worst in the world and has largely served its purpose. Regrettably a few of the so called inmates have managed to exit the Bay and we should all be concerned and keep these people firmly in our sights to protect our society.

The authorities might wish to scrutinise people like Beethoven for similar reasons?
[quote][p][bold]Beethoven[/bold] wrote: I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above. Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.[/p][/quote]I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of the comment from Beethoven above. The 'Bay' was established to hold and deal with the worst of the worst in the world and has largely served its purpose. Regrettably a few of the so called inmates have managed to exit the Bay and we should all be concerned and keep these people firmly in our sights to protect our society. The authorities might wish to scrutinise people like Beethoven for similar reasons? Somethingsarejustwrong
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7:31pm Mon 24 Dec 12

juleshove says...

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.
Beethaven. With respect you are totally wrong. All of the inmates were supporting the taliban and in the field of battle. All were terrorists who would not think twice about killing you and all your family if you did something the taliban did not agree with.

To show your support for these terrorists is an insult to civilised society and shows you up with respect as a fool.
[quote][p][bold]Beethoven[/bold] wrote: I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above. Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.[/p][/quote]Beethaven. With respect you are totally wrong. All of the inmates were supporting the taliban and in the field of battle. All were terrorists who would not think twice about killing you and all your family if you did something the taliban did not agree with. To show your support for these terrorists is an insult to civilised society and shows you up with respect as a fool. juleshove
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8:16pm Mon 24 Dec 12

juleshove says...

AmboGuy wrote:
Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off.

We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away.
Completely agree. Well said.
[quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: Oh Jesus I can tell from Gaz's posts that he's got himself all hot and bothered again. I'm just waiting for his usual rubbish about the 'corporate elite' or his anti Semitic comments regarding Israelis to really cap it off. We've all told him before to keep it for The Cowley Club but like a bad smell he just won't go away.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Well said. juleshove
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2:31am Wed 26 Dec 12

EasymoneyUKsuckers says...

Beethoven wrote:
I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above.

Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW
As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.
I would like to send you to Guantanamo Bay.
[quote][p][bold]Beethoven[/bold] wrote: I am appalled, but sadly not surprised. by the blinkered bigotry and childish rhetoric of most of the comments above. Guantanamo Bay is an affront to justice and civilized Society and needs emptying , NOW As for Mr Deghayes, Good luck from now on, may your peaceful efforts be fruitful.[/p][/quote]I would like to send you to Guantanamo Bay. EasymoneyUKsuckers
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