Arrest following attack on anti-hunt group (From The Argus)

Masked men? Tut! If you're going to hit some one, hit 'em bare-faced, open and honest. That way it might at least be suspected you had a good reason.

funny how all this is often described as civilised by the hunters. what are they afraid of that there hired friends

In the old days it was the "sabs" who got the bad press.

I think we can safley say that if you are looking for violent,upper class,mysogonystic,c
ruel,racist and homophobic gatherings -turn up at a hunt meeting.
Wear urban clothes and you WILL be assaulted probably.

The police are a disgrace also and ex policemen provide catering and other services to some hunts.

This is corruption. This is violence upon peaceful people trying to stop people ripping animals apart with hounds -which is illegal.

The police will not "police" because they cannot be bothered and only seem to interpret laws.

Tally ho?

Whilst I'm not in favour of violence, the term "Hunt Monitor" makes it sound as if the position is some sort of official gig, when what it is is a self-appointed busybody, bent on winding people up. They provoke the same reaction that I assume I would from you if I were to stalk you every time you came out and filmed you going about your business with a view to going to the police at the slightest opportunity.

Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I'm not in favour of violence, the term "Hunt Monitor" makes it sound as if the position is some sort of official gig, when what it is is a self-appointed busybody, bent on winding people up. They provoke the same reaction that I assume I would from you if I were to stalk you every time you came out and filmed you going about your business with a view to going to the police at the slightest opportunity.

The guy was in his car on his own. So that warrants 7 people attacking him?

+ "illegal business" - it is against the law.

massive difference plantpot

:-)

Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I'm not in favour of violence, the term "Hunt Monitor" makes it sound as if the position is some sort of official gig, when what it is is a self-appointed busybody, bent on winding people up. They provoke the same reaction that I assume I would from you if I were to stalk you every time you came out and filmed you going about your business with a view to going to the police at the slightest opportunity.

Agreed, I can't stand self-appointed busybodies either. However IF the attack is as described then that's a totally disproportionate over-reaction. I've gone from being neutral to the whole issue of fox hunting to being firmly on the side of the saboteurs - self-appointed or not.

Police should go to local young conservative club meeting -- might get who they;re looking for there. Just a thought.

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I'm not in favour of violence, the term "Hunt Monitor" makes it sound as if the position is some sort of official gig, when what it is is a self-appointed busybody, bent on winding people up. They provoke the same reaction that I assume I would from you if I were to stalk you every time you came out and filmed you going about your business with a view to going to the police at the slightest opportunity.

Agreed, I can't stand self-appointed busybodies either. However IF the attack is as described then that's a totally disproportionate over-reaction. I've gone from being neutral to the whole issue of fox hunting to being firmly on the side of the saboteurs - self-appointed or not.

Im no tree hugger, but i can say that it is exactly as described.

and for people to say it's tradition - look on you tube to what happens to the animals involved, it is appalling.

The Hunts are hiring basically thugs on quad bikes who are "up for it"
Hooligans?

Where are the police in all this however? They only take action when there is an assault, and that is only because of publicity.

This isnt the first attack either, there are many. A guy i know was battered a while back.

of course were just jealous working class dole scroungers with nothing better to do?
Nope -full time employed here and love animals,it's that simple.

The police won't police so we will try and stop the butchery of wild animals.

And no not a "townie" either.

Very rural where i live.

I hope that the police arrest all seven of these thugs. The hunt saboteurs are
trying to stop crimes being committed.
Why are the Hunts so concerned about being filmed if they are not breaking the law.

Oh, my, a group of people that defends the right to gang up on a much smaller animal for the sake of it is violent? Who would've thought!

If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

D5 wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
Whilst I'm not in favour of violence, the term "Hunt Monitor" makes it sound as if the position is some sort of official gig, when what it is is a self-appointed busybody, bent on winding people up. They provoke the same reaction that I assume I would from you if I were to stalk you every time you came out and filmed you going about your business with a view to going to the police at the slightest opportunity.

The guy was in his car on his own. So that warrants 7 people attacking him?

+ "illegal business" - it is against the law.

massive difference plantpot

:-)

How did they know he was a "Hunt Saboteur?" What is against the law?

NickBrt wrote:
Police should go to local young conservative club meeting -- might get who they;re looking for there. Just a thought.

Traitor !

Plantpot wrote:
If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

All of which is now illegal. You are not allowed to take pics in public places, especially if children are present.

Do you know how many run-over Foxes I have seen in the last year, a lot. Probably more than 20. Missed a few myself but that is the proportion. A couple killed quickly by Hounds instead of dying slowly of Mange or injury wont make a jot of difference.

People with little respect for animals have even less for themselves!

Nosfaratu wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

All of which is now illegal. You are not allowed to take pics in public places, especially if children are present.

Do you know how many run-over Foxes I have seen in the last year, a lot. Probably more than 20. Missed a few myself but that is the proportion. A couple killed quickly by Hounds instead of dying slowly of Mange or injury wont make a jot of difference.

Since when has it been illegal to take pictures in public places??!! So millions of tourists are breaking the law? If I vist a pretty village I'm not allowed to take some photos or video ..
Sounds like tosh to me!
Thankfully we still live in a free country.

I saw youtube footage of a Horsham/Crawley meet. The fox huntersdo seem to have a rather violent following.
I was surprised, as I expected the "saboteurs" to be the aggressors.
The whole thing is a mockery though,
as it shouldn't be up to the public to monitor such hunts. Especially when the hunters are as violent as the footage and indeed this story suggests. You type the wrong word in on a public forum however, and there's a knock on the door, courtesy of our committed boys in blue!

These morons who support fox hunting consider themselves a class above everybody else and also to be above the law. They are supported in that by the system. How would they liked to be chased to exhaustion then torn apart all in the name of what they consider to be a sport ? Fox hunting is barbaric and those who support it are too.

Nosfaratu wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

All of which is now illegal. You are not allowed to take pics in public places, especially if children are present.

Do you know how many run-over Foxes I have seen in the last year, a lot. Probably more than 20. Missed a few myself but that is the proportion. A couple killed quickly by Hounds instead of dying slowly of Mange or injury wont make a jot of difference.

Oh, and there was I thinking killing foxes by ripping them to pieces was against the law. Standing in a pub - not illegal; taking photo's in a public place - not illegal.

Filming is legal in a public place.Thankfully it is not banned.But then if people were going around filming others just in case they did something wrong then tempers will fray.It is not the job of self-appointed,buzy body sneaks to monitor anyone,that is what the police are there for...

Hunters are blood thirsty thugs - they frequently break the law and enjoy killing foxes in a barbarically cruel way which has been made illegal to stop this but the hunters refuse to obey the law and thank goodness there are some decent, law abiding people out there who spend many hours watching the hunt and start filming when it looks like they're going to break the law, which is quite frequent.

It's time to stop the dogs going out with them IMO as they are the one's used to break the law, so without them there they couldn't.

Something has to change as these people are a disgrace and extremely violent - I'd personally like to see every hunter put on a desert island for life.

the fool hadnt got the sense to see that he wasnt wanted, his actions were provocation and unwarranted. he should be charged with a public order offence if he had not undertaken his provocative action, no incident would have taken place. QED

keswick wrote:
These morons who support fox hunting consider themselves a class above everybody else and also to be above the law. They are supported in that by the system. How would they liked to be chased to exhaustion then torn apart all in the name of what they consider to be a sport ? Fox hunting is barbaric and those who support it are too.

Actually that would be a good idea! Think of the amount of work it would bring to the countryside to have all those toffs and their supporters made to run the gauntlet of horror. It would kill 2 birds with one stone. It would attract a lot of people to these hunts ( myself included ), that would in turn attract lots of businesses providing food and drink and get rid of a bunch of nasty, sadisitic, deviants at the same time. Sorted!

And people of Lewes, hang your heads in shame for coming out and supporting the hunts!

Sussexram40.You are deluded if you think that you live in a free society.
There are cameras everywhere and there are plans to have everybodys DNA on a database.Not just criminals.
Hunting is as against the law as shoplifting,burgling or joyriding.In fact during those activities the aim is seldom to kill a living being.
Why are these people (the hunters) not arrested?
If i was walking along the street with a bag full of jemmys,screwdrivers and gloves I could be arrested for going equipped for burglary.Surely being on a horse in a silly red jacket with a pack of dogs around you constitutes going equipped to hunt?
Arrest them and lock the savages away!

Who are we who live in towns to tell those that live in the countryside what they can or can't do? How would you like it if you had a bunch of stinking hippies sticking a camera in your face all day, whilst you were going about riding a horse around the countryside? Because this is the reality of fox hunting. Most participants don't even get to see a fox, and for them it's a day out in the countryside, meeting friends, getting some fresh air and excercising the horse. Most hunts end without a kill, and the number of foxes killed by hunts is far exceeded by the number killed by cars, traps, or poison. It's all about jealousy and class hatred, that's why the Greens and Labour want to keep it illegal.

Oh really PorkBoat, you do talk utter tripe - the guy was sat in his vehicle minding his own business and was attacked by 7 hunt thugs who not only beat him up, but damaged his vehicle and stole his ipad. How you dare say this is ok is a clear indication of the sort you are - nasty and spiteful. And furthermore, I know a couple of sabs and they are decent hard-working guys, with jobs and clean short hair, that love animals and will do what they can to protect them. They are not hippy-like at all as you allege. All these people are doing is monitoring the hunts that are frequently hunting illegally and they will only film when there is clear evidence of illegal hunting. And just because a fox doesn't always get killed every time, doesn't make it legal. Is that really too difficult to understand? As for being jealous ! You surely cannot be serious? Jealous about what for goodness sake? A pack of idiots in stupid uniforms rampaging through OUR countryside disturbing the wildlife, breaking down hedges and disturbing livestock. Finally, if the police did their job when asked to, there would be no need for monitors.

I'd just like to point out that HUNTING LIVE FOXES is illegal, however nowhere in this article does it say that's what they're doing, just that it was a Boxing Day meet. It could have been drag hunting for all we know.

In which case they were perfectly legal to meet up and prance around on horses with dogs if they so chose.

I win't justify what happened to the man and car but a lot of you are running off on a tangent over this...

Nosfaratu wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

All of which is now illegal. You are not allowed to take pics in public places, especially if children are present.

Do you know how many run-over Foxes I have seen in the last year, a lot. Probably more than 20. Missed a few myself but that is the proportion. A couple killed quickly by Hounds instead of dying slowly of Mange or injury wont make a jot of difference.

Not allowed to take pics in public places? What nonesense as most people now have cameras on phones and between them must take hundreds of thousands of pics a day, in public places with all sorts present.
Millions of pics are probably taken every day via phones in this country.
Illegal? Utter rubbish, it is a great deal of freedom we can now all have.

Auntiecon wrote:
Oh really PorkBoat, you do talk utter tripe - the guy was sat in his vehicle minding his own business and was attacked by 7 hunt thugs who not only beat him up, but damaged his vehicle and stole his ipad. How you dare say this is ok is a clear indication of the sort you are - nasty and spiteful. And furthermore, I know a couple of sabs and they are decent hard-working guys, with jobs and clean short hair, that love animals and will do what they can to protect them. They are not hippy-like at all as you allege. All these people are doing is monitoring the hunts that are frequently hunting illegally and they will only film when there is clear evidence of illegal hunting. And just because a fox doesn't always get killed every time, doesn't make it legal. Is that really too difficult to understand? As for being jealous ! You surely cannot be serious? Jealous about what for goodness sake? A pack of idiots in stupid uniforms rampaging through OUR countryside disturbing the wildlife, breaking down hedges and disturbing livestock. Finally, if the police did their job when asked to, there would be no need for monitors.

I'm never wrong, so do one. Go and have a shower, get a job, and mend your bleeding heart. Numpty.

bladebot wrote:
I'd just like to point out that HUNTING LIVE FOXES is illegal, however nowhere in this article does it say that's what they're doing, just that it was a Boxing Day meet. It could have been drag hunting for all we know.

In which case they were perfectly legal to meet up and prance around on horses with dogs if they so chose.

I win't justify what happened to the man and car but a lot of you are running off on a tangent over this...

Oh bladebot, can you really be that naïve? The reason the sabs are out there is because these people still hunt foxes. With that in mind how is anyone running off on a tangent?

As an ex-sab I can only say that things have got beyond it when 7 thugs (conveniently no doubt disassociated from the hunt) can attack a person in a car without any independent winesses or video evidence. Hopefully the one arrested and charged will "squeal" and the whole affair will become one of conspiracy - a very serious offence in itself. If at the same time evidence could be adduced to link these people with the hunt it would be even better. One knows very well what is going on out there from past experience, but that isn't evidence. And evidence is what will bring these people down along with the hunt that tacitly encourages them.

At the end of the day it seems that some people commenting here are happy with gangs of masked men ordered by criminals to attack innocent people. This is Sussex, not Colombia, Baghdad or Belfast.

Again, let me repeat. We have gangs of masked men being ordered by criminals to do criminal acts to UK citizens in Sussex!!

I'm not pro or anti hunting but it's crazy that some people think this is okay.

After hunt saboteurs what will they go after next? People like me who like a walk in the country? Lollypop Ladies? Kids with earings or long hair? Black people? They can just say it's all down to tradition and protecting the local community.

Very scary stuff if this is allowed to continue without some serious investigation by the police.

Nosfaratu wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
If someone stood at a kids football match filming the parents from the moment they turned up to the moment they left, to try and catch some bad behaviour, or if someone stood in a pub filming everyone on the off chance of bad or illegal activity, they would be quite rightly told to wind their neck in - or worse. Especially if this filming was done solely with a view to taking it to the police for action.

All of which is now illegal. You are not allowed to take pics in public places, especially if children are present.

Do you know how many run-over Foxes I have seen in the last year, a lot. Probably more than 20. Missed a few myself but that is the proportion. A couple killed quickly by Hounds instead of dying slowly of Mange or injury wont make a jot of difference.

Utter, utter rubbish. You ARE allowed to take photos in public places whether there are children present or not. Where on earth did you get the idea that it was now illegal?

I wish they gave prison sentences to those caught fox hunting with dogs rather than fines. As they are usually wealthy toffs, fines aren't much of a punishment. I hate the hunt, they way they treat their dogs is appalling. Just shows what a bunch of thugs they really are. Fox hunting is cruel and barbaric and should remain illegal as the majority of the public don't support it. If the hunt sabs weren't there filming, there would never be any evidence and I wholeheartedly support them.

I'm bored of the hunt brigades tired old excuse for hunting which is 'controlling fox numbers'. I will now 'blow their pathetic excuse right out the water once and for all!
FACT - foxes regulate their own numbers
only the matriarch vixen breeds the other younger vixens share caring for the cubs. Should the matriarch vixen be killed through a road accident or through a 'so called' mistake by the hunters .......... !!!! the next vixen will fill in the void and breed. Foxes breed according to food supply. So to try and distract anyone from the truth, the hunt fraternity continally use this tired old chestnut of an excuse to try and convince those interested in hearing, their pathetic excuse for barbaric cruelty and the twisted kick these freaks get from chasing a terrified fox and watching it get ripped to pieces by their hounds. Blooding the faces of children from the tail of this poor magnificent fox that they cut off! They will continue to use any force necessary to carry on this vulgar so called sport and dig up any excuse to justify it.
They think they are above the law, due to influential connections! They even are known to hire ex offenders to pursue and attack anyone daring to disrupt and expose their devious and callous and downright nasty day out

Juleyanne wrote:
I'm bored of the hunt brigades tired old excuse for hunting which is 'controlling fox numbers'. I will now 'blow their pathetic excuse right out the water once and for all!
FACT - foxes regulate their own numbers
only the matriarch vixen breeds the other younger vixens share caring for the cubs. Should the matriarch vixen be killed through a road accident or through a 'so called' mistake by the hunters .......... !!!! the next vixen will fill in the void and breed. Foxes breed according to food supply. So to try and distract anyone from the truth, the hunt fraternity continally use this tired old chestnut of an excuse to try and convince those interested in hearing, their pathetic excuse for barbaric cruelty and the twisted kick these freaks get from chasing a terrified fox and watching it get ripped to pieces by their hounds. Blooding the faces of children from the tail of this poor magnificent fox that they cut off! They will continue to use any force necessary to carry on this vulgar so called sport and dig up any excuse to justify it.
They think they are above the law, due to influential connections! They even are known to hire ex offenders to pursue and attack anyone daring to disrupt and expose their devious and callous and downright nasty day out

yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzz BORING!!

PorkBoat wrote:
Who are we who live in towns to tell those that live in the countryside what they can or can't do? How would you like it if you had a bunch of stinking hippies sticking a camera in your face all day, whilst you were going about riding a horse around the countryside? Because this is the reality of fox hunting. Most participants don't even get to see a fox, and for them it's a day out in the countryside, meeting friends, getting some fresh air and excercising the horse. Most hunts end without a kill, and the number of foxes killed by hunts is far exceeded by the number killed by cars, traps, or poison. It's all about jealousy and class hatred, that's why the Greens and Labour want to keep it illegal.

yes i fully agree.its a good way for the great unwashed to have a dig at decent people.i'm glad they battered this fool maybe he'll think twice about winding them up next time xx

imnotpc wrote:

Juleyanne wrote:
I'm bored of the hunt brigades tired old excuse for hunting which is 'controlling fox numbers'. I will now 'blow their pathetic excuse right out the water once and for all!
FACT - foxes regulate their own numbers
only the matriarch vixen breeds the other younger vixens share caring for the cubs. Should the matriarch vixen be killed through a road accident or through a 'so called' mistake by the hunters .......... !!!! the next vixen will fill in the void and breed. Foxes breed according to food supply. So to try and distract anyone from the truth, the hunt fraternity continally use this tired old chestnut of an excuse to try and convince those interested in hearing, their pathetic excuse for barbaric cruelty and the twisted kick these freaks get from chasing a terrified fox and watching it get ripped to pieces by their hounds. Blooding the faces of children from the tail of this poor magnificent fox that they cut off! They will continue to use any force necessary to carry on this vulgar so called sport and dig up any excuse to justify it.
They think they are above the law, due to influential connections! They even are known to hire ex offenders to pursue and attack anyone daring to disrupt and expose their devious and callous and downright nasty day out

yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzz BORING!!

But factual - unlike your completely pointless post which was utterly boring.

Fox hunters are evil, sadistic individuals. Having watched them at close hand participating in their illegal activities you realise just how violent they are. Look at the Protect our Wild Animals site to be really Informed about their blood thirsty ways.

imnotpc wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:
Who are we who live in towns to tell those that live in the countryside what they can or can't do? How would you like it if you had a bunch of stinking hippies sticking a camera in your face all day, whilst you were going about riding a horse around the countryside? Because this is the reality of fox hunting. Most participants don't even get to see a fox, and for them it's a day out in the countryside, meeting friends, getting some fresh air and excercising the horse. Most hunts end without a kill, and the number of foxes killed by hunts is far exceeded by the number killed by cars, traps, or poison. It's all about jealousy and class hatred, that's why the Greens and Labour want to keep it illegal.

yes i fully agree.its a good way for the great unwashed to have a dig at decent people.i'm glad they battered this fool maybe he'll think twice about winding them up next time xx

"It's good that they battered this fool"?

This is disgusting. I suppose it's good when an armed raider batters the old lady in the Post Office? It's good when a speeding driver survives but kills an innocent child crossing the street?

Wasn't this guy trying to uphold the law but got attacked by masked criminals, who may or may not (make your own mind up) be in the pocket of the people this gentleman was investigating?

Remember, this is Sussex, not Baghdad. Let's hope your kids don't get into rock and roll or rap music else they may be next in line to get a beating from this 'tradition upholding' mob.

John Steed wrote:
the fool hadnt got the sense to see that he wasnt wanted, his actions were provocation and unwarranted. he should be charged with a public order offence if he had not undertaken his provocative action, no incident would have taken place. QED

You are insane! Being beaten by men in masks protesting an illegal hunt is ok? especially as he was in his car with the doors locked? Really I know you must be someone who enjoys animals being torn to shreds, but you enjoy people being beaten too? I know you are probably someone who doesn't believe in mental illness but seriously, you should look into it.