Family's battle to stop soldier going to prison (From The Argus)

All to often soldiers (current and ex) are being sent to prison. Purely due to lack of education or understanding of Judges or Magistrates.
Good luck in court, i hope they see sense...and help (rather than hinder) you.

Soldiers know their responsibilities regarding weapons and the reasons behind those responsibilities! The fact that Corporal Harry Killick bypassed those responsibilities not for personal gain, or to commit an act of crime, but to threaten his own life, indicates an act of desperation for which he needs help. Yes he has done wrong and a punishment must reflect that, but the public interest cannot be served by incarcerating a soldier who needs help and support - that would just be a failure by a country and a public for whom he has served and risked his life in so doing!

He is a 'toy' soldier. he PLAYS at it!

He stole a weapon, who knows how many people he would have killed before taking his own life.

Lock him up and treat him inside where he is no danger to innocent people.

W.

It seems to me that there has been a dereliction of duty as far as the army is concerned here. On two counts.
Firstly, this man obviously needed psychiatric help. Why wasnt he given any?
Secondly, how come he was able to take a firearm home? If proper checks were in place this should have been impossible.
I think the army has some questions to answer here.
I can't see any possible purpose being served by putting this mentally ill man in prison.

Thing is, what difference would it make between a soldier or a random person who has seen someone close die?? why should he get any special treatment?? he knows the rules and he violated them, yeah he may have fought for this country for some time but he knows he should not done it so if he has to serve time then he does, will teach him not to do that again and from someone who has depression, they cant try and use that as a reason to not go in there

Mentally ill ? maybe .... it is only natural that his family are trying to mitigate on his behalf.
However, he has committed a very serious crime & must face the consequences.
Every one must understand that if you are in unlawful possession of a firearm, whatever your excuse may be, you will go to prison for at least five years,with no exceptions.

The Wolfie wrote:
He is a 'toy' soldier. he PLAYS at it!

He stole a weapon, who knows how many people he would have killed before taking his own life.

Lock him up and treat him inside where he is no danger to innocent people.

W.

While this young man served his country in Afghanistan, I suspect you were serving yourself in the local pub. Such unadulterated drivel identifies you as an ignorant civvie who probably wouldn't get past the recruiting process! This country does NOT deploy toy soldiers into a war theatre!

monkeymoo wrote:
All to often soldiers (current and ex) are being sent to prison. Purely due to lack of education or understanding of Judges or Magistrates. Good luck in court, i hope they see sense...and help (rather than hinder) you.

Purely due to lack of education? And maybe some broekn laws too.

The Wolfie wrote:
He is a 'toy' soldier. he PLAYS at it!

He stole a weapon, who knows how many people he would have killed before taking his own life.

Lock him up and treat him inside where he is no danger to innocent people.

W.

please can we stop being rude about
Harry ,Toy soldier comments dont help a man who is suffering in prison, i severed with Harry and i know him as a honourable man , war is a dirty job and while we are away sometimes family life can change and wag's dont understand you get back especially TA soldiers suffer more as home life is given back to you at high speed your feet dont touch the ground , one day war zone the next gay pride in brighton it can be a shock to one's system , please be kind to Harry family life to which has added to his situation

Cave Johnson wrote:

monkeymoo wrote:
All to often soldiers (current and ex) are being sent to prison. Purely due to lack of education or understanding of Judges or Magistrates. Good luck in court, i hope they see sense...and help (rather than hinder) you.

Purely due to lack of education? And maybe some broekn laws too.

Thank you for proving my point!

If you were educated, and read my post....You will see that i said PRISON.
Clearly these people need help, and being locked in a PRISON is the last place they will get this. Caged in a cell for up to 22 hours a day, with no contact, is the last possible way to help someone who is mentally ill.

But i guess your education to extend that far!?

monkeymoo wrote:

Cave Johnson wrote:

monkeymoo wrote: All to often soldiers (current and ex) are being sent to prison. Purely due to lack of education or understanding of Judges or Magistrates. Good luck in court, i hope they see sense...and help (rather than hinder) you.

Purely due to lack of education? And maybe some broekn laws too.

Thank you for proving my point! If you were educated, and read my post....You will see that i said PRISON. Clearly these people need help, and being locked in a PRISON is the last place they will get this. Caged in a cell for up to 22 hours a day, with no contact, is the last possible way to help someone who is mentally ill. But i guess your education to extend that far!?

Well your comment didn't actually make much sense. It was poorly constructed, but i think you implied that they get sent to prison 'purely' because the soldiers have no education, or because judges don't understand.

Well plenty of people get a por education but they don't all end up in jail. And judges only see people who have been in court for an alleged crime. SO people do not go to court because of lack of education but for a law they have broken. Now you can make excuses all you like, but a lack of education doesn't make you commit a crime.

smith jack wrote:

The Wolfie wrote: He is a 'toy' soldier. he PLAYS at it! He stole a weapon, who knows how many people he would have killed before taking his own life. Lock him up and treat him inside where he is no danger to innocent people. W.

please can we stop being rude about Harry ,Toy soldier comments dont help a man who is suffering in prison, i severed with Harry and i know him as a honourable man , war is a dirty job and while we are away sometimes family life can change and wag's dont understand you get back especially TA soldiers suffer more as home life is given back to you at high speed your feet dont touch the ground , one day war zone the next gay pride in brighton it can be a shock to one's system , please be kind to Harry family life to which has added to his situation

so husband has well paid "gold plated" job with the police. puts that on hold so he can be a part time soldier as well. Wife gets fed up and leaves. Husband steals gun to shoot her because she has left him.
What else is there to understand ?

If he stole the gun to kill himself why didn't he do it. Why keep it for so long ?

who the hell dose this fella wolfie think he is to talk about cpl h killick in this manner this man obviously has ptsd the same as me im a former reservist soldier so what i the diffrence between regular and reserve soldiers we train the same we use the same kit we do the same job ok he should never have done what he did in stealing his rifle but he obviously he's in a bad state of mind so its not right that some know nothing like wolfie give's this kind of opinion nobody's in a dimwits point of view we need to get behind and all of them that will come back damaged like & myself i remember when war hero's were looked up to not down on maybe if you cant say anything sensible then keep your mouth shut please wolfie you havent got any thing to say & you say it to loud and that goes for any 1 else with a dimwit point of view all the best harry from another ptsd suffering ex soldier goodluck mate

gaz boy wrote:
who the hell dose this fella wolfie think he is to talk about cpl h killick in this manner this man obviously has ptsd the same as me im a former reservist soldier so what i the diffrence between regular and reserve soldiers we train the same we use the same kit we do the same job ok he should never have done what he did in stealing his rifle but he obviously he's in a bad state of mind so its not right that some know nothing like wolfie give's this kind of opinion nobody's in a dimwits point of view we need to get behind and all of them that will come back damaged like & myself i remember when war hero's were looked up to not down on maybe if you cant say anything sensible then keep your mouth shut please wolfie you havent got any thing to say & you say it to loud and that goes for any 1 else with a dimwit point of view all the best harry from another ptsd suffering ex soldier goodluck mate

I think maybe your computer has PTSD - none of it punctuation marks seem to be working. Maybe they ran off with the SHIFT key?

The Wolfie wrote:
He is a 'toy' soldier. he PLAYS at it!

He stole a weapon, who knows how many people he would have killed before taking his own life.

Lock him up and treat him inside where he is no danger to innocent people.

W.

"Plays"? I don't suppose he was on the Xbox (unlike you) when he saw his comrades being blown up!
Besides, If you lock too many decent, hard working people up, there'll be no one left to pay your benefits while you sit over The Level drinking all day will there? DUH!

The Wolfie wrote:

gaz boy wrote:
who the hell dose this fella wolfie think he is to talk about cpl h killick in this manner this man obviously has ptsd the same as me im a former reservist soldier so what i the diffrence between regular and reserve soldiers we train the same we use the same kit we do the same job ok he should never have done what he did in stealing his rifle but he obviously he's in a bad state of mind so its not right that some know nothing like wolfie give's this kind of opinion nobody's in a dimwits point of view we need to get behind and all of them that will come back damaged like & myself i remember when war hero's were looked up to not down on maybe if you cant say anything sensible then keep your mouth shut please wolfie you havent got any thing to say & you say it to loud and that goes for any 1 else with a dimwit point of view all the best harry from another ptsd suffering ex soldier goodluck mate

I think maybe your computer has PTSD - none of it punctuation marks seem to be working. Maybe they ran off with the SHIFT key?

dont worry about puntuation chap im surprised you get time to learn what with sitting in the pub all day talking cr@p playing your xbox & telly you are a busy man but quite obviously people like me & thousends of others being dissabled for our contry for keeping people like you safe who are the real men oh i dont know what if we had a vote on who's paid there way for there country[ but i dont have puntuation what can i do is that whats important noooooooo so dont try to have a pop at us chap most of the country is backing us whose behind you we have an army

gaz boy wrote:

The Wolfie wrote:

gaz boy wrote:
who the hell dose this fella wolfie think he is to talk about cpl h killick in this manner this man obviously has ptsd the same as me im a former reservist soldier so what i the diffrence between regular and reserve soldiers we train the same we use the same kit we do the same job ok he should never have done what he did in stealing his rifle but he obviously he's in a bad state of mind so its not right that some know nothing like wolfie give's this kind of opinion nobody's in a dimwits point of view we need to get behind and all of them that will come back damaged like & myself i remember when war hero's were looked up to not down on maybe if you cant say anything sensible then keep your mouth shut please wolfie you havent got any thing to say & you say it to loud and that goes for any 1 else with a dimwit point of view all the best harry from another ptsd suffering ex soldier goodluck mate

I think maybe your computer has PTSD - none of it punctuation marks seem to be working. Maybe they ran off with the SHIFT key?

dont worry about puntuation chap im surprised you get time to learn what with sitting in the pub all day talking cr@p playing your xbox & telly you are a busy man but quite obviously people like me & thousends of others being dissabled for our contry for keeping people like you safe who are the real men oh i dont know what if we had a vote on who's paid there way for there country

Sorry I don't use pubs - too full of wannabe commandos like you that obviously couldn't make the grade as a real soldier.

I have never owned nor wish to own a gaming console. My televisions are brought and paid for by my money worked for since I left school at 16. I have never claimed a penny from the state and never will.

Those who join the armed services KNOW the score - you might just get killed or seriously injured. If you don't like the risk don't join. Simple.

So put down your game controller and pick up a dictionary or maybe take an evening class to improve your English language and writing skills. Failing that I am sure that your computer has a spell check option; you might want to try using it before hitting submit.

yes we could all say that talks cheap about wannabe comandos dont use pubs more like cant maybe to scared of the commandos people like you would last about 2 minutes down our pub the pegusus aldershot so go away dont bother getting back to me as i dont want to keep reading this cr@p drivel you talk about you bore go and find someone who would be interested if thats possible write an advert start it thick & boring needs friend cant go out to scared of all the tough men like us soldiers goodbye mr boring tw@t

gaz boy wrote:
yes we could all say that talks cheap about wannabe comandos dont use pubs more like cant maybe to scared of the commandos people like you would last about 2 minutes down our pub the pegusus aldershot so go away dont bother getting back to me as i dont want to keep reading this cr@p drivel you talk about you bore go and find someone who would be interested if thats possible write an advert start it thick & boring needs friend cant go out to scared of all the tough men like us soldiers goodbye mr boring tw@t

Well I finally managed to understand what you are trying to say - are you 5 years old? Maybe mentally.

I don't use pubs because of people like you - at least you got that part right!

Well don't read it if you don't like to hear the truth.

I assure you I have no need to advertise for friends and coming from you I think calling me thick reminds me of the quote about 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stone'!

Tough men like you? Best joke I've heard this year. You/this criminal couldn't cope with seeing death so STOLE a weapon so he could take the coward's way out - suicide. Yet you/he weren't even brave enough to see it through.

Perhaps you were off the day they covered the part about people getting killed in wars?

you are to ignorant to pathetic to boring & a moranic person go away nerd

Go away and learn to spell Mr. PS3 commando.

And don't forget to ask Mummy for a note explaining your absence from school this morning.

gaz boy wrote:
you are to ignorant to pathetic to boring & a moranic person go away nerd

Comment of the week!

Cave Johnson wrote:

gaz boy wrote:
you are to ignorant to pathetic to boring & a moranic person go away nerd

Comment of the week!

Shame he still hasn't found the shift, comma, and period keys though...