What do you want at King Alfred site?

Rob Starr outside the King Alfred leisure centre

Rob Starr outside the King Alfred leisure centre

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The man behind plans for a prime seafront site has dropped his own dream redevelopment – and vowed to build what the public wants.

Rob Starr is one of at least five interested parties hoping to be given a chance to build on the King Alfred leisure centre in Hove.

When he first approached Brighton and Hove City Council about the Kingsway site, the Hove-based businessman admitted his own dream was to have a 400-seater theatre at its core.

But now, after speaking to dozens of local people, he claims his plans have changed and he is now looking to the community for guidance on what they want.

Mr Starr, 43, who founded Seico Insurance from his bedroom in his teens and now runs the Edward Starr Charitable Trust, said he hoped the result could be “South Bank facilities with leisure for Hove”.

The comments come as the local authority starts to narrow down its search for a partner to redevelop the plot.

Profitable

Mr Starr told The Argus: “This is not my project, this is our project. Nothing has been decided yet on what we will include.

“They said they do not want towers down there and we completely respect that. However it has to be viable.”

By viable, Mr Starr means profitable – and that means properties.

In its draft City Plan, the local authority believes the area could accommodate 400 homes.

Mr Starr admitted that, with that number, the scheme works.

He added: “If the public push for no residential then they will have to find somebody else to develop the site.”

Grand hall

However, this does not mean a repeat of the Frank Gehry scheme which included 750 homes, a leisure centre, and a GP surgery, he said.

Among the ideas currently being considered by Mr Starr and his team, which includes architects Haworth Tompkins, is a “grand hall”, which could be used for a rehearsal space, an ice rink or concerts.

In addition to 400 homes, he added he hopes to provide a diving pool, 25 metre swimming pool, and space for community work, volunteer workshops and a creative centre.

With detailed drawings and architect fees potentially costing up to £1 million, Mr Starr said he currently had no firm plans drawn up.

The businessman claims this would be a waste of money for those hoping to bid adding the development of a key site should “not be about who has the nice fancy model”.

Instead, he suggested the local authority invite groups in to pitch their idea to bosses in a few months time with one preferred team picked.

Talking point: What would you like to see at the King Alfred? Share your views by commenting below or to include your opinion on The Argus letters pages, email letters@theargus.co.uk

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3:13pm Tue 15 Jan 13

PorkBoat says...

A full sized replica of the solar system.
A full sized replica of the solar system. PorkBoat
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3:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

A Llama Sanctuary.
A Llama Sanctuary. Charismatic Andrew
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3:24pm Tue 15 Jan 13

tabman says...

Ice skating rink!
Ice skating rink! tabman
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3:25pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Algeria Touchshriek says...

A fifty metre full sized swimming pool with state of the art solar heating to keep costs down to an absolute minimum. Not this £4.80 a swim malarky we see eslewhere.

Failing that a Tesco Express and a Mosque.
A fifty metre full sized swimming pool with state of the art solar heating to keep costs down to an absolute minimum. Not this £4.80 a swim malarky we see eslewhere. Failing that a Tesco Express and a Mosque. Algeria Touchshriek
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3:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Crystal Ball says...

A full scale replica of the New York skyline. Alternatively, a shuttle launch pad to flee the madness of this country.
A full scale replica of the New York skyline. Alternatively, a shuttle launch pad to flee the madness of this country. Crystal Ball
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3:52pm Tue 15 Jan 13

falmer seagull says...

A race track where citizens can go above 20m.p.h.!
A race track where citizens can go above 20m.p.h.! falmer seagull
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4:08pm Tue 15 Jan 13

pjwilk says...

Full size ice hockey and skating rink,with a swimming pool and fitness centre.
Full size ice hockey and skating rink,with a swimming pool and fitness centre. pjwilk
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4:11pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Mark_Hove says...

here's a novel Idea. I nice modern Leisure centre with nice modern, clean leisure facilities.
here's a novel Idea. I nice modern Leisure centre with nice modern, clean leisure facilities. Mark_Hove
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4:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13

lucylastichove says...

What would I like to see? A decision!

ps - I'm with Mark_Hove
What would I like to see? A decision! ps - I'm with Mark_Hove lucylastichove
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5:02pm Tue 15 Jan 13

dawind says...

Something as useful as the 'B ark' from The Hitchikers Guide...ect.
... "I mean, I couldn't help noticing," said Ford, also taking a sip, "the bodies. In the hold."

"Bodies?" said the Captain in surprise.

Ford paused and thought to himself. Never take anything for granted, he thought. Could it be that the Captain doesn't know he's got fifteen million dead bodies on his ship?

The Captain was nodding cheerfully at him. He also appeared to be playing with a rubber duck.

Ford looked around. Number Two was staring at him in the mirror, but only for an instant: his eyes were constantly on the move. The first officer was just standing there holding the drinks tray and smiling benignly.

"Bodies?" said the Captain again.

Ford licked his lips.

"Yes," he said, "All those dead telephone sanitizers and account executives, you know, down in the hold."

The Captain stared at him. Suddenly he threw back his head and laughed.

"Oh they're not dead," he said, "Good Lord no, no they're frozen. They're going to be revived."

Ford did something he very rarely did. He blinked.

Arthur seemed to come out of a trance.

"You mean you've got a hold full of frozen hairdressers?" he said.

"Oh yes," said the Captain, "Millions of them. Hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, management consultants, you name them. We're going to colonize another planet."

Ford wobbled very slightly.

"Exciting isn't it?" said the Captain.

"What, with that lot?" said Arthur.

"Ah, now don't misunderstand me," said the Captain, "we're just one of the ships in the Ark Fleet. We're the 'B' Ark you see. Sorry, could I just ask you to run a bit more hot water for me?"

Arthur obliged, and a cascade of pink frothy water swirled around the bath. The Captain let out a sigh of pleasure.

"Thank you so much my dear fellow. Do help yourselves to more drinks of course."

Ford tossed down his drink, took the bottle from the first officer's tray and refilled his glass to the top.

"What," he said, "is a 'B' Ark?"

"This is," said the Captain, and swished the foamy water around joyfully with the duck.

"Yes," said Ford, "but ..."

"Well what happened you see was," said the Captain, "our planet, the world from which we have come, was, so to speak, doomed."

"Doomed?"

"Oh yes. So what everyone thought was, let's pack the whole population into some giant spaceships and go and settle on another planet."

Having told this much of his story, he settled back with a satisfied grunt.

"You mean a less doomed one?" prompted Arthur.

"What did you say dear fellow?"

"A less doomed planet. You were going to settle on."

"Are going to settle on, yes. So it was decided to build three ships, you see, three Arks in Space, and ... I'm not boring you am I?"

"No, no," said Ford firmly, "it's fascinating."

"You know it's delightful," reflected the Captain, "to have someone else to talk to for a change."

Number Two's eyes darted feverishly about the room again and then settled back on the mirror, like a pair of flies briefly distracted from their favourite prey of months old meat.

"Trouble with a long journey like this," continued the Captain,"is that you end up just talking to yourself a lot, which gets terribly boring because half the time you know what you're going to say next."

"Only half the time?" asked Arthur in surprise.

The Captain thought for a moment.

"Yes, about half I'd say. Anyway - where's the soap?" He fished around and found it.

"Yes, so anyway," he resumed, "the idea was that into the first ship, the 'A' ship, would go all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, the great artists, you know, all the achievers; and into the third, or 'C' ship, would go all the people who did the actual work, who made things and did things, and then into the `B' ship - that's us - would go everyone else, the middlemen you see."

He smiled happily at them.

"And we were sent off first," he concluded, and hummed a little bathing tune.

The little bathing tune, which had been composed for him by one of his world's most exciting and prolific jingle writer (who was currently asleep in hold thirty-six some nine hundred yards behind them) covered what would otherwise have been an awkward moment of silence. Ford and Arthur shuffled their feet and furiously avoided each other's eyes.

"Er ..." said Arthur after a moment, "what exactly was it that was wrong with your planet then?"

"Oh, it was doomed, as I said," said the Captain, "Apparently it was going to crash into the sun or something. Or maybe it was that the moon was going to crash into us. Something of the kind. Absolutely terrifying prospect whatever it was."

"Oh," said the first officer suddenly, "I thought it was that the planet was going to be invaded by a gigantic swarm of twelve foot piranha bees. Wasn't that it?"

Number Two span around, eyes ablaze with a cold hard light that only comes with the amount of practise he was prepared to put in.

"That's not what I was told!" he hissed, "My commanding officer told me that the entire planet was in imminent danger of being eaten by an enormous mutant star goat!"

"Oh really ..." said Ford Prefect.

"Yes! A monstrous creature from the pit of hell with scything teeth ten thousand miles long, breath that would boil oceans, claws that could tear continents from their roots, a thousand eyes that burned like the sun, slavering jaws a million miles across, a monster such as you have never ... never ... ever ..."

"And they made sure they sent you lot off first did they?" inquired Arthur.

"Oh yes," said the Captain, "well everyone said, very nicely I thought, that it was very important for morale to feel that they would be arriving on a planet where they could be sure of a good haircut and where the phones were clean."

"Oh yes," agreed Ford, "I can see that would be very important. And the other ships, er ... they followed on after you did they?"

For a moment the Captain did not answer. He twisted round in his bath and gazed backwards over the huge bulk of the ship towards the bright galactic centre. He squinted into the inconceivable distance.

"Ah. Well it's funny you should say that," he said and allowed himself a slight frown at Ford Prefect, "because curiously enough we haven't heard a peep out of them since we left five years ago ... but they must be behind us somewhere."

He peered off into the distance again.

Ford peered with him and gave a thoughtful frown.

"Unless of course," he said softly, "they were eaten by the goat ..."

"Ah yes ..." said the Captain with a slight hesitancy creeping into his voice, "the goat ..." His eyes passed over the solid shapes of the instruments and computers that lined the bridge. They winked away innocently at him. He stared out at the stars, but none of them said a word. He glanced at his first and second officers, but they seemed lost in their own thoughts for a moment. He glanced at Ford Prefect who raised his eyebrows at him.

"It's a funny thing you know," said the Captain at last, "but now that I actually come to tell the story to someone else ..."
Something as useful as the 'B ark' from The Hitchikers Guide...ect. ... "I mean, I couldn't help noticing," said Ford, also taking a sip, "the bodies. In the hold." "Bodies?" said the Captain in surprise. Ford paused and thought to himself. Never take anything for granted, he thought. Could it be that the Captain doesn't know he's got fifteen million dead bodies on his ship? The Captain was nodding cheerfully at him. He also appeared to be playing with a rubber duck. Ford looked around. Number Two was staring at him in the mirror, but only for an instant: his eyes were constantly on the move. The first officer was just standing there holding the drinks tray and smiling benignly. "Bodies?" said the Captain again. Ford licked his lips. "Yes," he said, "All those dead telephone sanitizers and account executives, you know, down in the hold." The Captain stared at him. Suddenly he threw back his head and laughed. "Oh they're not dead," he said, "Good Lord no, no they're frozen. They're going to be revived." Ford did something he very rarely did. He blinked. Arthur seemed to come out of a trance. "You mean you've got a hold full of frozen hairdressers?" he said. "Oh yes," said the Captain, "Millions of them. Hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, public relations executives, management consultants, you name them. We're going to colonize another planet." Ford wobbled very slightly. "Exciting isn't it?" said the Captain. "What, with that lot?" said Arthur. "Ah, now don't misunderstand me," said the Captain, "we're just one of the ships in the Ark Fleet. We're the 'B' Ark you see. Sorry, could I just ask you to run a bit more hot water for me?" Arthur obliged, and a cascade of pink frothy water swirled around the bath. The Captain let out a sigh of pleasure. "Thank you so much my dear fellow. Do help yourselves to more drinks of course." Ford tossed down his drink, took the bottle from the first officer's tray and refilled his glass to the top. "What," he said, "is a 'B' Ark?" "This is," said the Captain, and swished the foamy water around joyfully with the duck. "Yes," said Ford, "but ..." "Well what happened you see was," said the Captain, "our planet, the world from which we have come, was, so to speak, doomed." "Doomed?" "Oh yes. So what everyone thought was, let's pack the whole population into some giant spaceships and go and settle on another planet." Having told this much of his story, he settled back with a satisfied grunt. "You mean a less doomed one?" prompted Arthur. "What did you say dear fellow?" "A less doomed planet. You were going to settle on." "Are going to settle on, yes. So it was decided to build three ships, you see, three Arks in Space, and ... I'm not boring you am I?" "No, no," said Ford firmly, "it's fascinating." "You know it's delightful," reflected the Captain, "to have someone else to talk to for a change." Number Two's eyes darted feverishly about the room again and then settled back on the mirror, like a pair of flies briefly distracted from their favourite prey of months old meat. "Trouble with a long journey like this," continued the Captain,"is that you end up just talking to yourself a lot, which gets terribly boring because half the time you know what you're going to say next." "Only half the time?" asked Arthur in surprise. The Captain thought for a moment. "Yes, about half I'd say. Anyway - where's the soap?" He fished around and found it. "Yes, so anyway," he resumed, "the idea was that into the first ship, the 'A' ship, would go all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, the great artists, you know, all the achievers; and into the third, or 'C' ship, would go all the people who did the actual work, who made things and did things, and then into the `B' ship - that's us - would go everyone else, the middlemen you see." He smiled happily at them. "And we were sent off first," he concluded, and hummed a little bathing tune. The little bathing tune, which had been composed for him by one of his world's most exciting and prolific jingle writer (who was currently asleep in hold thirty-six some nine hundred yards behind them) covered what would otherwise have been an awkward moment of silence. Ford and Arthur shuffled their feet and furiously avoided each other's eyes. "Er ..." said Arthur after a moment, "what exactly was it that was wrong with your planet then?" "Oh, it was doomed, as I said," said the Captain, "Apparently it was going to crash into the sun or something. Or maybe it was that the moon was going to crash into us. Something of the kind. Absolutely terrifying prospect whatever it was." "Oh," said the first officer suddenly, "I thought it was that the planet was going to be invaded by a gigantic swarm of twelve foot piranha bees. Wasn't that it?" Number Two span around, eyes ablaze with a cold hard light that only comes with the amount of practise he was prepared to put in. "That's not what I was told!" he hissed, "My commanding officer told me that the entire planet was in imminent danger of being eaten by an enormous mutant star goat!" "Oh really ..." said Ford Prefect. "Yes! A monstrous creature from the pit of hell with scything teeth ten thousand miles long, breath that would boil oceans, claws that could tear continents from their roots, a thousand eyes that burned like the sun, slavering jaws a million miles across, a monster such as you have never ... never ... ever ..." "And they made sure they sent you lot off first did they?" inquired Arthur. "Oh yes," said the Captain, "well everyone said, very nicely I thought, that it was very important for morale to feel that they would be arriving on a planet where they could be sure of a good haircut and where the phones were clean." "Oh yes," agreed Ford, "I can see that would be very important. And the other ships, er ... they followed on after you did they?" For a moment the Captain did not answer. He twisted round in his bath and gazed backwards over the huge bulk of the ship towards the bright galactic centre. He squinted into the inconceivable distance. "Ah. Well it's funny you should say that," he said and allowed himself a slight frown at Ford Prefect, "because curiously enough we haven't heard a peep out of them since we left five years ago ... but they must be behind us somewhere." He peered off into the distance again. Ford peered with him and gave a thoughtful frown. "Unless of course," he said softly, "they were eaten by the goat ..." "Ah yes ..." said the Captain with a slight hesitancy creeping into his voice, "the goat ..." His eyes passed over the solid shapes of the instruments and computers that lined the bridge. They winked away innocently at him. He stared out at the stars, but none of them said a word. He glanced at his first and second officers, but they seemed lost in their own thoughts for a moment. He glanced at Ford Prefect who raised his eyebrows at him. "It's a funny thing you know," said the Captain at last, "but now that I actually come to tell the story to someone else ..." dawind
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5:16pm Tue 15 Jan 13

GraemeDavis says...

An end to the madness of a planning process which is measured in decades, not years or months.

We need a decent leisure centre. We need homes for people to live in. And we need them now. The idea of waiting years in case some hypothetical perfect plan might be submitted is the problem. How about the council setting a deadline for plans to be submitted and making a decision on the basis of the best plans submitted?
An end to the madness of a planning process which is measured in decades, not years or months. We need a decent leisure centre. We need homes for people to live in. And we need them now. The idea of waiting years in case some hypothetical perfect plan might be submitted is the problem. How about the council setting a deadline for plans to be submitted and making a decision on the basis of the best plans submitted? GraemeDavis
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5:17pm Tue 15 Jan 13

juleshove says...

Mark_Hove wrote:
here's a novel Idea. I nice modern Leisure centre with nice modern, clean leisure facilities.
Sounds like a good idea. Prices would be expected to be dearer than the king alfred but people will pay more if its good quality pool and facilities.
[quote][p][bold]Mark_Hove[/bold] wrote: here's a novel Idea. I nice modern Leisure centre with nice modern, clean leisure facilities.[/p][/quote]Sounds like a good idea. Prices would be expected to be dearer than the king alfred but people will pay more if its good quality pool and facilities. juleshove
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5:22pm Tue 15 Jan 13

rayellerton says...

Sport and Leisure facilities as we are sadly lacking in top class venues, above all an ice rink as we haven't had a decent skating venue since the old Sports Stadium in West St shut 50 odd years ago...I don't count the tiny on that used to be in Queens Square which was useless for serious skaters. Come on council, pull your collective fingers out
Sport and Leisure facilities as we are sadly lacking in top class venues, above all an ice rink as we haven't had a decent skating venue since the old Sports Stadium in West St shut 50 odd years ago...I don't count the tiny on that used to be in Queens Square which was useless for serious skaters. Come on council, pull your collective fingers out rayellerton
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5:39pm Tue 15 Jan 13

brighton bluenose says...

So 'the man behind plans' for the King Alfred site doesn't actually have any plans as he wont pay for them - you couldn't make it up!!

As for the idea theatinterested groups pitch ideas to the council this is exactly what was done previously and rather than choose one of the relatively low-rise alternatives that were in keeping with the neighbourhood the council chose the Karis/Gehry monstrosity!!

Well, at least the financial crisis had one silver lining!!!
So 'the man behind plans' for the King Alfred site doesn't actually have any plans as he wont pay for them - you couldn't make it up!! As for the idea theatinterested groups pitch ideas to the council this is exactly what was done previously and rather than choose one of the relatively low-rise alternatives that were in keeping with the neighbourhood the council chose the Karis/Gehry monstrosity!! Well, at least the financial crisis had one silver lining!!! brighton bluenose
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6:03pm Tue 15 Jan 13

bug eye says...

Foremost something attractive and iconic and soon with great views planting and lighting as it will be there for a long time to come way after this downturn ends. not boxy cheap and bland. A performance space/art gallery with restaurant, sports and pool facilities as planned. boutique hotel and some high end apartments, not 400 as that would mean high rise and site is too small.
Foremost something attractive and iconic and soon with great views planting and lighting as it will be there for a long time to come way after this downturn ends. not boxy cheap and bland. A performance space/art gallery with restaurant, sports and pool facilities as planned. boutique hotel and some high end apartments, not 400 as that would mean high rise and site is too small. bug eye
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7:04pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Hovite says...

rayellerton wrote:
Sport and Leisure facilities as we are sadly lacking in top class venues, above all an ice rink as we haven't had a decent skating venue since the old Sports Stadium in West St shut 50 odd years ago...I don't count the tiny on that used to be in Queens Square which was useless for serious skaters. Come on council, pull your collective fingers out
I agree ray, I'd settle for this for now http://kingalfredice
rink.co.uk/

At least it is doing something.

I agree brighton bluenose it's a joke.
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: Sport and Leisure facilities as we are sadly lacking in top class venues, above all an ice rink as we haven't had a decent skating venue since the old Sports Stadium in West St shut 50 odd years ago...I don't count the tiny on that used to be in Queens Square which was useless for serious skaters. Come on council, pull your collective fingers out[/p][/quote]I agree ray, I'd settle for this for now http://kingalfredice rink.co.uk/ At least it is doing something. I agree brighton bluenose it's a joke. Hovite
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10:07am Wed 16 Jan 13

Hove Actually says...

Look you lot, the council want this area to generate 400+ council taxes with residential parking fees and the added benefit of parking fines etc.

Any leisure facilities (only those that are required by law) will be available to Hove residents if they travel into Brighton. £4.80 return per person by bus unless it goes up again
Look you lot, the council want this area to generate 400+ council taxes with residential parking fees and the added benefit of parking fines etc. Any leisure facilities (only those that are required by law) will be available to Hove residents if they travel into Brighton. £4.80 return per person by bus unless it goes up again Hove Actually
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10:18am Wed 16 Jan 13

Notters_Seagull says...

How about a 60k-seater football stadium - we're out growing the Amex rapidly. Fans could be brought in by ferry.
How about a 60k-seater football stadium - we're out growing the Amex rapidly. Fans could be brought in by ferry. Notters_Seagull
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10:24am Wed 16 Jan 13

woman1 says...

a nice clean ice rink and a nice clean up to date swimming pool , i took my kids there the other day to find it disgustingly dirty and slimey round the pool side wont be going back there till things have changed
a nice clean ice rink and a nice clean up to date swimming pool , i took my kids there the other day to find it disgustingly dirty and slimey round the pool side wont be going back there till things have changed woman1
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10:44am Wed 16 Jan 13

saveHOVE says...

woman1 wrote:
a nice clean ice rink and a nice clean up to date swimming pool , i took my kids there the other day to find it disgustingly dirty and slimey round the pool side wont be going back there till things have changed
This is a management issue and if the company contracted to manage the King Alfred facility is allowing what you report then the council needs to hear about it or if you can't manage that, tell your councillors or the King Alfred area councillors who are Andrew Wealls and Christopher Hawtree.

Make them earn their allowance.
[quote][p][bold]woman1[/bold] wrote: a nice clean ice rink and a nice clean up to date swimming pool , i took my kids there the other day to find it disgustingly dirty and slimey round the pool side wont be going back there till things have changed[/p][/quote]This is a management issue and if the company contracted to manage the King Alfred facility is allowing what you report then the council needs to hear about it or if you can't manage that, tell your councillors or the King Alfred area councillors who are Andrew Wealls and Christopher Hawtree. Make them earn their allowance. saveHOVE
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11:14am Wed 16 Jan 13

saveHOVE says...

The article starts by claiming Starr has given up his dream for the King Alfred and then quotes him saying he wants:

"South Bank facilities with leisure for Hove”.

This IS the original dream! No change in principle.

The difference between the Starr offer and all that's gone before (or seems on offer otherwise now) is that Starr wants to start and run an entertainment/sports
-led business of significant stature at King Alfred and put the buildings in place to achieve it.

The City Plan, soon to be adopted, REQUIRES 400 units of housing on that site which saveHOVE supporters do not agree is appropriate. Benidorm covered its seafront in towerblock flats and look at it now. A dumpl. No class.

We remain, as with the Karis/Frank Gerhy offering, firmly against towers on any part of the seafront and especially at King Alfred.

There was a question at December Full Council from the Tory Leader that produced a time line. BHCC is aiming at September for a decision on a preferred developer.

BHCC has cheap borrowing powers not available in the past and it should be considering a joint venture with its preferred developer. This MIGHT mean a better facility and fewer units of housing.

It is NOT in the city's interest to give the job to a hit and run developer. It IS in the city's interest to give the site over to a developer who intends to remain on site and run a business there.

The City should part-pay for a redevelopment there and continue to own and run some part of it and partnering is all the rage dontcha know. The council is in partnering arrangements for ever increasing areas of its remit and workload.

Starr is the only one saveHOVE is so far aware of whose interest in the site matches this ideal - all the rest are bog standard hit and run developers in it for the big bucks and out, albeit with some sort of centuries long lease of the land.

A developer with a vested long-term interest in the site is the best hope for its viability. That means the Council and one other. Who will it be?

Jason Kitcat answered my recent public question on whether BHCC would consider part paying towards a development in a partnership or selling the site:

"We are open to offers".

What Starr is asking is unprecedented. And the public is challenged to cough up useful ideas - preferably within his general wish to see a Southbank kind of facility on that site - for content and use of the site.

Please think seriously about this and make your contributions using the website link below which was provided on page 13 of the print edition of Tuesday's Argus which is:

www.thelyrics-hove.c
om
The article starts by claiming Starr has given up his dream for the King Alfred and then quotes him saying he wants: "South Bank facilities with leisure for Hove”. This IS the original dream! No change in principle. The difference between the Starr offer and all that's gone before (or seems on offer otherwise now) is that Starr wants to start and run an entertainment/sports -led business of significant stature at King Alfred and put the buildings in place to achieve it. The City Plan, soon to be adopted, REQUIRES 400 units of housing on that site which saveHOVE supporters do not agree is appropriate. Benidorm covered its seafront in towerblock flats and look at it now. A dumpl. No class. We remain, as with the Karis/Frank Gerhy offering, firmly against towers on any part of the seafront and especially at King Alfred. There was a question at December Full Council from the Tory Leader that produced a time line. BHCC is aiming at September for a decision on a preferred developer. BHCC has cheap borrowing powers not available in the past and it should be considering a joint venture with its preferred developer. This MIGHT mean a better facility and fewer units of housing. It is NOT in the city's interest to give the job to a hit and run developer. It IS in the city's interest to give the site over to a developer who intends to remain on site and run a business there. The City should part-pay for a redevelopment there and continue to own and run some part of it and partnering is all the rage dontcha know. The council is in partnering arrangements for ever increasing areas of its remit and workload. Starr is the only one saveHOVE is so far aware of whose interest in the site matches this ideal - all the rest are bog standard hit and run developers in it for the big bucks and out, albeit with some sort of centuries long lease of the land. A developer with a vested long-term interest in the site is the best hope for its viability. That means the Council and one other. Who will it be? Jason Kitcat answered my recent public question on whether BHCC would consider part paying towards a development in a partnership or selling the site: "We are open to offers". What Starr is asking is unprecedented. And the public is challenged to cough up useful ideas - preferably within his general wish to see a Southbank kind of facility on that site - for content and use of the site. Please think seriously about this and make your contributions using the website link below which was provided on page 13 of the print edition of Tuesday's Argus which is: www.thelyrics-hove.c om saveHOVE
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5:20pm Wed 16 Jan 13

bug eye says...

Please do not let the council have any input in the redevelopment unless you want a council estate with cheap boxy flats with upvc windows and a rubbish sports hall. This has to be a private developer to deliver the best possible building for this prime site.
Please do not let the council have any input in the redevelopment unless you want a council estate with cheap boxy flats with upvc windows and a rubbish sports hall. This has to be a private developer to deliver the best possible building for this prime site. bug eye
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5:44pm Wed 16 Jan 13

leobrighton says...

Sell it off to the highest bidder and let them build what they like. That is the best way of getting the best value for this site if anyone wants any less they should pay the difference.
Sell it off to the highest bidder and let them build what they like. That is the best way of getting the best value for this site if anyone wants any less they should pay the difference. leobrighton
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10:26pm Wed 16 Jan 13

disrember says...

a 50 meter swimming pool thats wider so it can accommodate more activates like lanes, public swimming and lessons at the same time.
a 50 meter swimming pool thats wider so it can accommodate more activates like lanes, public swimming and lessons at the same time. disrember
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4:59pm Thu 17 Jan 13

voiceofthescoombe says...

If the metropolis that is burgiss hill can be a modern lesiure centre.

What hope for a small seaside town.
The frank gerhy scheme was total fantasy.
If the metropolis that is burgiss hill can be a modern lesiure centre. What hope for a small seaside town. The frank gerhy scheme was total fantasy. voiceofthescoombe
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12:45pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Joshiman says...

A state of the art Leisure centre.Maybe a cinema with (free) parking.Definately not another Gehry towers pie in the sky development.Capish !!!!!!!
Not much to ask for a once greatly admired city worldwide that was once Brighton and Hove actually.
A state of the art Leisure centre.Maybe a cinema with (free) parking.Definately not another Gehry towers pie in the sky development.Capish !!!!!!! Not much to ask for a once greatly admired city worldwide that was once Brighton and Hove actually. Joshiman
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8:27am Sat 19 Jan 13

voiceofthescoombe says...

A Lesiure centre if burgess hill could manage it why not Brighton?
What is wrong with the council can't they see thats what people want?
A Lesiure centre if burgess hill could manage it why not Brighton? What is wrong with the council can't they see thats what people want? voiceofthescoombe
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10:00pm Sat 19 Jan 13

anotherniceguy says...

If the council insist on accommodation then that will be part of the plan whoever develops it. So if it's going to be there, then at least make the whole thing a community hub with decent leisure facilities, a cafe/bar/restaurant and good quality entertainment facilities including a cinema space, theatre space and studios for workshops and classes.

In terms of design, it should be possible to build something iconic and at the same time sympathetic to the area Making the most of the seafront location without being overbearing.
If the council insist on accommodation then that will be part of the plan whoever develops it. So if it's going to be there, then at least make the whole thing a community hub with decent leisure facilities, a cafe/bar/restaurant and good quality entertainment facilities including a cinema space, theatre space and studios for workshops and classes. In terms of design, it should be possible to build something iconic and at the same time sympathetic to the area Making the most of the seafront location without being overbearing. anotherniceguy
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10:07pm Sat 19 Jan 13

anotherniceguy says...

I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great.
I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great. anotherniceguy
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10:17am Sun 20 Jan 13

Tel Scoomer says...

Crawley built the K2 without putting housing on top and Mid Sussex built the Triangle in Burgess Hill with covering it in housing.
It's true there is a need for more homes here in Brighton and Hove so it's probably a price worth paying. Please just don't try to repeat the obnoxious Karis idea of unsightly and out-of-scale towers scarring a relatively beautiful seafront.
Note how Portzed, just along the road, was much more modest in scale but was turned down last year for being out of scale. The height of the buildings opposite the King Alfred would be a good guide as to what is reasonable.
It would be great to see a 50-metre pool in Hove and for there to be space around it to be used flexibly - for sports or arts - like many school halls.
Let's hope the council has the sense to go with Rob Starr who has a vision and appears to be listening. Traditional developers could learn a great deal from his approach.
Crawley built the K2 without putting housing on top and Mid Sussex built the Triangle in Burgess Hill with covering it in housing. It's true there is a need for more homes here in Brighton and Hove so it's probably a price worth paying. Please just don't try to repeat the obnoxious Karis idea of unsightly and out-of-scale towers scarring a relatively beautiful seafront. Note how Portzed, just along the road, was much more modest in scale but was turned down last year for being out of scale. The height of the buildings opposite the King Alfred would be a good guide as to what is reasonable. It would be great to see a 50-metre pool in Hove and for there to be space around it to be used flexibly - for sports or arts - like many school halls. Let's hope the council has the sense to go with Rob Starr who has a vision and appears to be listening. Traditional developers could learn a great deal from his approach. Tel Scoomer
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10:22am Sun 20 Jan 13

Tel Scoomer says...

PS I love the way the Argus calls it an exclusive when it was on Radio Sussex a day earlier. Perhaps it should have said "Inclusive by Tim Ridgway".
PS I love the way the Argus calls it an exclusive when it was on Radio Sussex a day earlier. Perhaps it should have said "Inclusive by Tim Ridgway". Tel Scoomer
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11:57am Sun 20 Jan 13

Hovite says...

anotherniceguy wrote:
I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great.
I presume this was a sarcastic comment, the website says a lot of nothing and there is no visual representation of the dream he is trying to express. He doesn't even know what his own dream is.

Just 14 comments added in two months speaks for itself.

Maybe it's just a desperate attempt to stamp his own altruistic ego on the site and parade around as it's authority.

saveHove / Valerie Paynter love the dream though, so it must be great lol
[quote][p][bold]anotherniceguy[/bold] wrote: I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great.[/p][/quote]I presume this was a sarcastic comment, the website says a lot of nothing and there is no visual representation of the dream he is trying to express. He doesn't even know what his own dream is. Just 14 comments added in two months speaks for itself. Maybe it's just a desperate attempt to stamp his own altruistic ego on the site and parade around as it's authority. saveHove / Valerie Paynter love the dream though, so it must be great lol Hovite
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6:47pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Hovite wrote:
anotherniceguy wrote:
I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great.
I presume this was a sarcastic comment, the website says a lot of nothing and there is no visual representation of the dream he is trying to express. He doesn't even know what his own dream is.

Just 14 comments added in two months speaks for itself.

Maybe it's just a desperate attempt to stamp his own altruistic ego on the site and parade around as it's authority.

saveHove / Valerie Paynter love the dream though, so it must be great lol
This sarcastic comment has a familiar tang to it. Live in Osborne Villas by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anotherniceguy[/bold] wrote: I just look at their website (thelyrics-hove.com) and it looks great.[/p][/quote]I presume this was a sarcastic comment, the website says a lot of nothing and there is no visual representation of the dream he is trying to express. He doesn't even know what his own dream is. Just 14 comments added in two months speaks for itself. Maybe it's just a desperate attempt to stamp his own altruistic ego on the site and parade around as it's authority. saveHove / Valerie Paynter love the dream though, so it must be great lol[/p][/quote]This sarcastic comment has a familiar tang to it. Live in Osborne Villas by any chance? Valerie Paynter
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8:05pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Come on Valerie, you've been banging on about and promoting this project for months;

"Major Redevelopment for King Alfred…this one looks a goer !"

After a chat at a garden party........

http://savehove.word
press.com/2012/08/20
/major-redevelopment
-for-king-alfred-thi
s-one-looks-a-goer/

After all that he's dropped his ideas after a few months and is asking for suggestions. That's commitment and focus of direction for you. If you are going to back a horse at least do your research before you bet your integrity on it.
Come on Valerie, you've been banging on about and promoting this project for months; "Major Redevelopment for King Alfred…this one looks a goer !" After a chat at a garden party........ http://savehove.word press.com/2012/08/20 /major-redevelopment -for-king-alfred-thi s-one-looks-a-goer/ After all that he's dropped his ideas after a few months and is asking for suggestions. That's commitment and focus of direction for you. If you are going to back a horse at least do your research before you bet your integrity on it. Hovite
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2:40am Mon 21 Jan 13

natstav says...

I'd love for there to be an ice rink! I'm sick of waiting for december to come around, just so we can use the Royal Pavillion 's ice rink... which is overpriced! Its got to be affordable...
I'd love for there to be an ice rink! I'm sick of waiting for december to come around, just so we can use the Royal Pavillion 's ice rink... which is overpriced! Its got to be affordable... natstav
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9:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13

saveHOVE says...

Hovite wrote:
Come on Valerie, you've been banging on about and promoting this project for months;

"Major Redevelopment for King Alfred…this one looks a goer !"

After a chat at a garden party........

http://savehove.word

press.com/2012/08/20

/major-redevelopment

-for-king-alfred-thi

s-one-looks-a-goer/

After all that he's dropped his ideas after a few months and is asking for suggestions. That's commitment and focus of direction for you. If you are going to back a horse at least do your research before you bet your integrity on it.
I do not believe he HAS 'dropped his ideas'. Have you got any construcive input/suggestions of what (within the general 'Southbank + leisure' framework) should be built on the KA/RNR site? Or are you just into sarcasm to look big?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Come on Valerie, you've been banging on about and promoting this project for months; "Major Redevelopment for King Alfred…this one looks a goer !" After a chat at a garden party........ http://savehove.word press.com/2012/08/20 /major-redevelopment -for-king-alfred-thi s-one-looks-a-goer/ After all that he's dropped his ideas after a few months and is asking for suggestions. That's commitment and focus of direction for you. If you are going to back a horse at least do your research before you bet your integrity on it.[/p][/quote]I do not believe he HAS 'dropped his ideas'. Have you got any construcive input/suggestions of what (within the general 'Southbank + leisure' framework) should be built on the KA/RNR site? Or are you just into sarcasm to look big? saveHOVE
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1:04pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Valerie beleive what you want, sometimes being sarcastic it is easier to get the point across.
Valerie beleive what you want, sometimes being sarcastic it is easier to get the point across. Hovite
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10:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Goed en gezellig etentje gehad met mijn zaakwaarnemer

Good and nice dinner with my agent
Goed en gezellig etentje gehad met mijn zaakwaarnemer Good and nice dinner with my agent Hovite
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