Car ban divides The Lanes (From The Argus)
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Car ban divides The Lanes
5:10pm Tuesday 15th January 2013 in News By Tim Ridgway & Kimberly Middleton
The junction of Prince Albert Street and Ship Street
Hundreds of vehicles a day still travel along the narrow streets of The Lanes, Brighton.
Brighton and Hove City Council passed plans last year to limit access to motorists, saying it will reduce pollution, improve road safety, boost business and make it more attractive to hundreds of thousands of people who visit the area every year.
But after nearly 70 people, including taxi drivers, residents and businesses, officially opposed the plans, the go-ahead will unusually depend on a public inquiry planned for May.
Some opposition councillors have suggested the local authority look again at the plans rather than pay for the costly independent panel.
Council leader Jason Kitcat said: “While we are committed to following necessary due process, I’m disappointed by the delay and extra expense that will be incurred as result of these objections.
“The vast majority of the public supported these proposals in the consultation process; the plans are similar to restrictions seen in historic city centres around the world.
“Given the support for the proposals from the public and traders we had hoped to have them in place by this summer season.
“We hope to have the inquiry process start as soon as possible but the money spent on it could have been better spent improving the area.”
Pedestrianised
The old town area is bordered by West Street, North Street, East Street and Kings Road.
The proposals, which were advertised in December, called for a section of Ship Street to be pedestrianised between Duke Street and North Street from 11am each day.
East Street would also be shut to vehicles from between 11am and 7pm daily.
It also advertised closing Prince Albert Street permanently to traffic between Middle Street and Bartholomews.
A number of parking and loading bays will also be removed.
'Piecemeal approach'
Ristorante Donatello’s owner Sue Addis, from The Brighton Lanes Traders Group, said most traders in the area are objecting to the plans.
She said: “Pedestrianisation would be fantastic if it was done in the right way.
“But they are only planning to put up signs and bollards.
“We would rather see something over three or five years which would see these transformed into beautiful areas, not a piecemeal approach like this.
“New Road is now fantastic and a scheme should be based on that.”
Shared scheme
Most local traders who were keen to support pedestrianisation pointed to New Road, where a shared scheme allows cars to pass through and pedestrians to stroll freely.
Guy Pearce, who works in Prince Albert Street, does not think pedestrianising the stretch of road will have any effect on local businesses.
He said: “But I think it’s a nice idea. I would like it if I was walking down here.
“It’s more visually pleasing and is likely to attract more people to the area.”
'Unsafe for cars'
James Woodward, who runs No Walls gallery in Prince Albert Street, said: “I think it’s a good idea as long as they do it properly.
“It’s already almost treated as if it is pedestrianised anyway, which can be unsafe for cars driving down.
“North Laine’s pedestrianised areas never quite seem to have been done properly and there are still vans and taxis using it.”
All businesses were concerned about how their deliveries would work with the new pedestrianised times.
The news has upset some shop owners in the stretch of Prince Albert Street between Black Lion Street and East Street, which will not be pedestrianised.
'More traffic'
Siobhan Di Rienzo, from The Lollipop Shoppe, said: “I’m worried that we’re going to end up with more [traffic] difficulties, which is already a massive problem.
“I have had massive rows with the council about deliveries.
“Lorries come down here and pull up on the pavement, leaving no room for people pushing prams or anyone else to get through.
“Pedestrianising would get rid of that problem and also make it a great space to hold markets.”
Lorry problem
Tom Newham, from wine shop Twenty One, opposite, said: “Lorries are a big problem because they park and obstruct three or four shops at a time for up to an hour.
“So I’m in favour of completely pedestrianising it.”
Of the 68 objections, 62 were from the taxi trade.
In response to the traffic orders, Mick Hildreth, of the GMB union, said he had “serious concerns” that elderly and disabled passengers will not be able to reach their destinations.
Push up fares
Mr Hildreth added he also felt it would increase pollution and push up fares due to extra distances that needed to be covered.
He said: “The GMB objected to the Old Town redevelopments as the closure of the roads included in the traffic order will have an adverse effect on taxi drivers, forcing them to drive customers further on already saturated roads. This will result in higher fares for their passengers.
“Dropping customers in North Street at the entrances to The Lanes will also cause traffic chaos.
“The GMB do not wish to cost the council tax-paying residents of Brighton and Hove £25,000 for a public inquiry and suggest that the Green administration negotiate with the GMB and other objectors to reach a settlement that does not cost the council tax payer any money as they must have been aware this would happen.”
Public inquiry
Instead of trying to resolve the issue, the local authority’s transport committee is set to approve the public inquiry at its meeting today (January 15).
Labour councillor Gill Mitchell said: “We’re going to ask the council to look again at the plans.
“Local businesses need their loading bays close to their premises and we cannot justify the expenditure on the public inquiry.”
A council spokeswoman said anyone with an interest has the right to make their case at the inquiry.
Jason Bright from LoveFit Cafe
“The concerns we have are about access, which is inadequate for deliveries.
“These proposals would see quite a lot of parking space taken away as well.
“The whole area is quite good for tourism – tourists like to come into The Lanes, but the locals don’t as much.
“So we are against anything which will make it more difficult for those localpeople to pop into The Lanes.
“I would be for it if it was like New Road, which is amazing, and it would do something to pull people in.
“But it’s going to be a botch because they don’t have the same amount of money to put into it.
“They should do some saving for two or three years and do this properly.
“It needs to be something that makes the place more attractive, not just bollards blocking off roads.”
Peter O’Brien from Simply The Best
“Pedestrianising the area will be good for cafe culture but hurt retail trade.
“People who have families or big things to carry need to have easy access to their cars.
“It’s terrible now with parking charges. People don’t want to be ripped off – whether they can afford it or not is secondary.
“Getting rid of more of the on-street parking spaces will only exacerbate the problem.”
Jo Bowker from The Whiskey Shop
“I’m always up for pedestrianisation generally.
“It gets congested around this corner with big lorries making deliveries through the day.
“I think it does encourage people to take their time a little bit more when they are in a pedestrian area.
“New Road has worked really well because drivers don’t feel it’s their right of way and they drive more carefully and the pedestrians can walk around more freely.
“Dual spaces are really good because people respect it.”
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Comments(27)
smith jack
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5:26pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Dealing with idiots
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5:48pm Tue 15 Jan 13
saraman
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5:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Mr Sworld
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6:01pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Dealing with idiots wrote:Go and have a look at Chester City centre. They pedestrianised back in the 90's.
Prediction for you. More empty shops, higher unemployment, fewer visitors and their horrid cars. Rich boy Kitcat will have left for warmer climes leaving us to clear up the mess. Thank you green voters.
The result was a complete opposite of your predictions.
But, hey, why let proven results stand in the way of baseless rants?
rostron71
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6:18pm Tue 15 Jan 13
bug eye
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6:19pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Spx
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6:51pm Tue 15 Jan 13
ShorehamBeachcomber
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7:03pm Tue 15 Jan 13
kmhove
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7:28pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Maybe a leaf could be taken from history and ancient Rome's answer to the problem be adopted...keep the roads open but no deliveries during the day - allowable only at night!
Incidentally... if cars are banned from these streets, would that also apply to bicycles... or would they still be allowed free use of the roads (which they don't pay for) whilst motorists (who do pay for them) would be banned?
peachesncream
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7:58pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Failure to make provision for disabled people will deny them access to goods and services and the Council could then face disability discrimination claims.
Falmer Wizard
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8:08pm Tue 15 Jan 13
HJarrs
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8:44pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Private car traffic brings in a tiny number of people into streets where the pavements are not wide enough to accommodate the number of pedestrains trying to use them.
I hope that the plans take notice of providing enough space for deliveries and the disabled and plenty of bike parking as the Laines will be major destination for our growing cyclepath network. It is a shame though that there is insufficient money to do other than a cheap and cheerful job at the moment.
wexler53
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9:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13
staff transports. Not everyone can walk or use a bus to carry out their work. And access can be needed throughout the day.
Anyone who thinks this can be done on foot, bike or bus must have very limited experience of life and the world of work.
Getting around Brighton is already so difficult that we have laid off 5 people already, not renewed town centre contracts and we only take on a very few one off contracts where we can get vehicle access and the client is willing/able to pay parking charges.
It is not just the mythical "lazy" motorist who drives in town, nor indeed taxi and bus drivers. There are others too, but to believe some of the posters above, everything can be done in the night or by bike. Since we are not all geeks whose only need is a bike, laptop and latte, some of these policies are rather short sighted.
imnotpc
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9:25pm Tue 15 Jan 13
imnotpc
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9:27pm Tue 15 Jan 13
saraman wrote:stupid person
I hate cars. DO WE REALLY NEED THEM?
Dealing with idiots
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9:41pm Tue 15 Jan 13
HJarrs wrote:Oh really Jars? Looked at George St in Hove recently? Dead on its feet with more empty shops than not. Do you run a business in the town?
This area should have been pedestrianised years ago. Where pedestrianisation has taken place elsewhere in the city it has been a great success. Private car traffic brings in a tiny number of people into streets where the pavements are not wide enough to accommodate the number of pedestrains trying to use them. I hope that the plans take notice of providing enough space for deliveries and the disabled and plenty of bike parking as the Laines will be major destination for our growing cyclepath network. It is a shame though that there is insufficient money to do other than a cheap and cheerful job at the moment.
bus nut
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9:41pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Dealing with idiots
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9:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13
Mr Sworld wrote:Not really a ranter but a realist unlike you. Chester city centre has been in a nosedive since 2009.
Dealing with idiots wrote: Prediction for you. More empty shops, higher unemployment, fewer visitors and their horrid cars. Rich boy Kitcat will have left for warmer climes leaving us to clear up the mess. Thank you green voters.Go and have a look at Chester City centre. They pedestrianised back in the 90's. The result was a complete opposite of your predictions. But, hey, why let proven results stand in the way of baseless rants?
http://www.telegraph
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George St in Hove is really thriving post pedestrianisation?
ruberducker
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10:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13
ool,work,train,restu
rant, pub.been stuck in the 20 mph zone and as so many drivers are now unemployed it takes longer to get anybody.and the roads closed due to road works,police are dealing with more drunks as there are no cabs:but the greens have an idea"ON YOUR BIKE"
mimseycal
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10:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13
saraman wrote:Is this a serious question?
I hate cars. DO WE REALLY NEED THEM?
Bob_The_Ferret
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12:47am Wed 16 Jan 13
Falmer Wizard wrote:New Road isn't and never has been a pedestrianised zone. It just has fancy paving, no kerbs and all the parking was taken away.
After spending over a million £`s in making New Road a pedestrian area then allowing traffic to use it I cant believe that even our Council are going down this road again!
Dealing with idiots
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7:33am Wed 16 Jan 13
Ballroom Blitz
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8:04am Wed 16 Jan 13
To pedestrianise further is just more Green anti internal combustion engine madness.
Shops will cease trading. Wait and see. They are killing this city, what with the exorbitant parking charges, and now this.
Shoppers and tourists are already going elsewhere. This move will only make it tougher to run a business in the heart of Brighton.
deanaprior
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8:55am Wed 16 Jan 13
Sussex jim
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10:28am Wed 16 Jan 13
imnotpc wrote:Saraman may not need a car in his tiny enclosed life, but most of us do, or make use of others with cars.
saraman wrote:stupid person
I hate cars. DO WE REALLY NEED THEM?
upsidedowntuctuc
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5:30pm Wed 16 Jan 13
The Argus actually goes out and talks to them and finds this far from the case
He now wastes £25,000 on a public inquiry instead of engaging in dialogue with them.
Add this to the £1.5million on a blanket unenforceable 20MPH policy instead of a focused approach where it is needed.
Tell it is not his money he is using.
Give us a Break Kitkat and get real...
Think how many lentils and bicycle clips you could buy Or better still lights for your cycling supporters...
Surely not! says...
5:18pm Tue 15 Jan 13