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Sussex MP urges on leading EU

Sussex MP has written to the Prime Minister urging him it is in Britain’s national interest to lead the EU.

Nicholas Soames, who represents Mid Sussex in Parliament, joined with 30 other Conservative MPs recommending David Cameron offers a positive vision of British leadership in Europe.

The signatories recommend the official party policy is to remain an ‘active and activist’ member of the EU rather than withdrawing from it.

Mr Soames said: “We are fundamentally united by our belief that the UK national interest is best served working for changes within the EU, not being marginalised at the fringes.”

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5:34pm Sun 20 Jan 13

lordenglandofsussex says...

Another toady pro EU politician with their weasel words.

No, Mr Soames, we the people demand a referendum on either staying in or leaving.
Another toady pro EU politician with their weasel words. No, Mr Soames, we the people demand a referendum on either staying in or leaving. lordenglandofsussex
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6:08pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

How so?
Little Englanders need to scuttle back to their burrows and realise that Thatcher is no longer PM or Leader of the Conservatives, thank goodness.
Good on Soames and his colleagues: Tories with gumption!
How so? Little Englanders need to scuttle back to their burrows and realise that Thatcher is no longer PM or Leader of the Conservatives, thank goodness. Good on Soames and his colleagues: Tories with gumption! Tailgaters Anonymous
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7:46pm Sun 20 Jan 13

BliarLiartheLyingSilverPocketLiningSkunk says...

Could it be that the EU speech that Cameron has been forced to do is due soon and the media machine is in full operation - shame on the local MP. What a coincidence that that the local Conservative ball licking conservative should come out with some pro European cra@p. Lets be honest, most people want us out of the EU, mainly because most of the EU now lives with us and plus the fact that the EU is basically the worlds centre for human (lawyers fees) rights, even though most sensible people would disagree with the judgements. I think that likes of Cameron/Bliar and his wife live in some university privileged bubble out of touch with the common person and quite frankly couldn't care less because they are more concerned with their misconceived legacy. Still no need to worry, their kids will be fine in private school.
Could it be that the EU speech that Cameron has been forced to do is due soon and the media machine is in full operation - shame on the local MP. What a coincidence that that the local Conservative ball licking conservative should come out with some pro European cra@p. Lets be honest, most people want us out of the EU, mainly because most of the EU now lives with us and plus the fact that the EU is basically the worlds centre for human (lawyers fees) rights, even though most sensible people would disagree with the judgements. I think that likes of Cameron/Bliar and his wife live in some university privileged bubble out of touch with the common person and quite frankly couldn't care less because they are more concerned with their misconceived legacy. Still no need to worry, their kids will be fine in private school. BliarLiartheLyingSilverPocketLiningSkunk
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8:51pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

In the most recent by-election and local council elections UKIP were making some real ground as the alternative to the Lim Dems and the other 'alternative' vote to Tory/Labour.
If the Govt does not get a grip on some of the issues caused by EU policies affecting communities all over the UK, they will gain more ground.
Cameron and Soames and the others are so out of touch with ordinary people they just haven't got a clue.
In the most recent by-election and local council elections UKIP were making some real ground as the alternative to the Lim Dems and the other 'alternative' vote to Tory/Labour. If the Govt does not get a grip on some of the issues caused by EU policies affecting communities all over the UK, they will gain more ground. Cameron and Soames and the others are so out of touch with ordinary people they just haven't got a clue. Maxwell's Ghost
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9:00pm Sun 20 Jan 13

HJarrs says...

Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!).

I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise.
Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!). I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise. HJarrs
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9:43pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Bt'n-breezy says...

Tailgaters Anonymous wrote:
How so?
Little Englanders need to scuttle back to their burrows and realise that Thatcher is no longer PM or Leader of the Conservatives, thank goodness.
Good on Soames and his colleagues: Tories with gumption!
Guardian readers and others describe eurosceptics as Little Englanders but the idea that supporters of the EU,with its democratic deficit, can be described as Great or Large Europeans would not make sense.

My guess would be that what people who belong to minorities that have been persecuted at times through history would most want is a strong functioning democracy because it is the vehicle most likely to offer them protection. When the chips are down democracy must triumph over economics and the economic advantage of the EU is hotly disputed.
[quote][p][bold]Tailgaters Anonymous[/bold] wrote: How so? Little Englanders need to scuttle back to their burrows and realise that Thatcher is no longer PM or Leader of the Conservatives, thank goodness. Good on Soames and his colleagues: Tories with gumption![/p][/quote]Guardian readers and others describe eurosceptics as Little Englanders but the idea that supporters of the EU,with its democratic deficit, can be described as Great or Large Europeans would not make sense. My guess would be that what people who belong to minorities that have been persecuted at times through history would most want is a strong functioning democracy because it is the vehicle most likely to offer them protection. When the chips are down democracy must triumph over economics and the economic advantage of the EU is hotly disputed. Bt'n-breezy
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10:02pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

and the key HJarrs is that the EU was an ecomonic union not EU rule, which is what has happened and which is why UKIP are gaining huge swathes of support.
The coalition have been arrogant ignoring the people and this party but our own Euro MPs from all parties have been complicit in this folly.
and the key HJarrs is that the EU was an ecomonic union not EU rule, which is what has happened and which is why UKIP are gaining huge swathes of support. The coalition have been arrogant ignoring the people and this party but our own Euro MPs from all parties have been complicit in this folly. Maxwell's Ghost
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11:06pm Sun 20 Jan 13

nocando says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!).

I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise.
only one way to find out...referendum. Before the next general election if Cameron wants to stay in no10.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!). I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise.[/p][/quote]only one way to find out...referendum. Before the next general election if Cameron wants to stay in no10. nocando
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11:10pm Sun 20 Jan 13

Sudseax says...

Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures.
Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures. Sudseax
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7:09am Mon 21 Jan 13

george smith says...

HJarrs wrote:
Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!).

I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise.
If you believe we need to stay in the EU, it must be the wrong thing to do!!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Fortunately some of the old guard Tories remember why we are in the EU and why their party took us in. They have more guts than two faced Cameron, who is trying to be all things to all people (well his only job was in PR so it what do you expect!). I fail to see why some wish to become isolated rock (other than they would like to grab unfettered power). Our future lies in Europe and I don't believe a majority of people think otherwise.[/p][/quote]If you believe we need to stay in the EU, it must be the wrong thing to do!! george smith
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8:15am Mon 21 Jan 13

Bt'n-breezy says...

Sudseax wrote:
Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures.
Older people are more likely to vote and it may be the case that the democratic questions surrounding the EU are uppermost in their minds.
[quote][p][bold]Sudseax[/bold] wrote: Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures.[/p][/quote]Older people are more likely to vote and it may be the case that the democratic questions surrounding the EU are uppermost in their minds. Bt'n-breezy
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12:39pm Mon 21 Jan 13

nocando says...

Sudseax wrote:
Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures.
The widom of age may well have a lot to do with that.
[quote][p][bold]Sudseax[/bold] wrote: Given the level of youth unemployment it is interesting that a recent poll found that people in the 18-35 age group are 2:1 in favour of staying in the EU; over-60s are 2:1 for pulling out. It would seem that UKIP's rhetoric is less persuasive to those with longer and less certain futures.[/p][/quote]The widom of age may well have a lot to do with that. nocando
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5:57pm Mon 21 Jan 13

greenpaws says...

The single market has the biggest negative impact on people's lives.

UKIP wants free trade agreements to get access to the single market, what it doesn't want is the worker protection that comes with it.

The EU has allowed for more protections at work and in life than governments would have given us.

I don't want a doctor working on me who has worked 90 hours.

We need to be careful about understanding what the effects are.

The rich supporters such as the Tories and UKIP just want to sell goods and exploit workers more than they can do at the moment.

The Social Chapter is written into Law but Tories and UKIP would be able to repeal it if we left the EU.

As a former employer and employee it makes sense to have proper protections for workers and rights that we all can enjoy and not just the rich who can afford the cost of lawyers.
The single market has the biggest negative impact on people's lives. UKIP wants free trade agreements to get access to the single market, what it doesn't want is the worker protection that comes with it. The EU has allowed for more protections at work and in life than governments would have given us. I don't want a doctor working on me who has worked 90 hours. We need to be careful about understanding what the effects are. The rich supporters such as the Tories and UKIP just want to sell goods and exploit workers more than they can do at the moment. The Social Chapter is written into Law but Tories and UKIP would be able to repeal it if we left the EU. As a former employer and employee it makes sense to have proper protections for workers and rights that we all can enjoy and not just the rich who can afford the cost of lawyers. greenpaws
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