£1.3m funds for bicycle facilities at four stations (From The Argus)

At £1000 or more per cycle, it is about time some sort of tax was levied on cyclists. When are narrow-minded idealists like Mr.Baker going to realize that we cannot go on funding these minority groups?

Excellent news that a small amount of money is to be spent on cycle infrastructure, still far less for the whole country than the Hastings bypass.

How many spaces for B&H? £1000 a pop for a cycle parking space seems high, but that would give 500 spaces, which is a big improvement and should encourage more people to cycle in combination with the other improvements across the city. I assume that costs for buildings and infrastructure changes have been lumped into the cost.

How about improving the facilities for cycles on trains? Come to that how about training rail staff to show some respect to cyclists?

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
How about improving the facilities for cycles on trains? Come to that how about training rail staff to show some respect to cyclists?

Respect works both ways. Obviously you should have a separate carriage for changing in and out of all that fancy riding gear too, rather than blocking up the aisle of an ordinary carriage for more than 5 minutes, as was the case last night on a Southern train. Many cyclists see themselves as so special.

1.3 million for 4 bicycle racks. How do bike 'hubs' become more expensive than houses?
Snouts in the trough would be the obvious suggestion.

How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

longman wrote:
How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

what a complete and utter waste of money and everyone knows it.cyclist should be made to pay for this.they really need to start contributing.Surely this money would be better spent elsewhere.Disgracefu
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Hey fredflintsone, you weren't the super size bloke who took up two seats on the train last night were you?
Or were you the bloke who sat next to me stinking of stale garlic?
There are many pariahs on public transport and you sound like one of them.

I was at Brighton station at the weekend and the racks for bikes there looked mostly fine (though most were blocked off with tape as they were being removed).

I don't see why this is needed at Brighton station where existing provision seemed perfectedly fine with space for hundreds of bikes already.

It's a waste of money. That money didn't need to be given to the Department for Transport and instead could have been given to the department of Health or Education for much more important matters to affect the needy in society.

RK_Brighton wrote:
I was at Brighton station at the weekend and the racks for bikes there looked mostly fine (though most were blocked off with tape as they were being removed).

I don't see why this is needed at Brighton station where existing provision seemed perfectedly fine with space for hundreds of bikes already.

It's a waste of money. That money didn't need to be given to the Department for Transport and instead could have been given to the department of Health or Education for much more important matters to affect the needy in society.

I think that the point is that they are planning for a big increase in cycling over the next few years in step with improvement of cycle facilities all over the city. I see no reason why we shouldn't plan for 1000 peak-time bike parking spaces, this would be small beer in some more enlightened comparative European cities.

As we encourage more people to take to the joys of two wheels, you can be rest assured that the NHS will reap a dividend from the improved health of those cycling.

As Hove is supposedly a part of the City why isn't it included? In fact why can more trains not go to Hove instead of Brighton it certainly has the space?

imnotpc wrote:

longman wrote:
How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

what a complete and utter waste of money and everyone knows it.cyclist should be made to pay for this.they really need to start contributing.Surely this money would be better spent elsewhere.Disgracefu

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I didn't know bicycle owners were exempt of paying council, income, business, VAT or any other kind of tax. I'm gonna buy one and ask for my money back, then.

inadaptado wrote:

imnotpc wrote:

longman wrote:
How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

what a complete and utter waste of money and everyone knows it.cyclist should be made to pay for this.they really need to start contributing.Surely this money would be better spent elsewhere.Disgracefu


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I didn't know bicycle owners were exempt of paying council, income, business, VAT or any other kind of tax. I'm gonna buy one and ask for my money back, then.

Well they certainly seem to consider themselves to be exempt from complying with road traffic law, so why should we expect them to respect taxation law either?

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:

inadaptado wrote:

imnotpc wrote:

longman wrote: How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

what a complete and utter waste of money and everyone knows it.cyclist should be made to pay for this.they really need to start contributing.Surely this money would be better spent elsewhere.Disgracefu l

I didn't know bicycle owners were exempt of paying council, income, business, VAT or any other kind of tax. I'm gonna buy one and ask for my money back, then.

Well they certainly seem to consider themselves to be exempt from complying with road traffic law, so why should we expect them to respect taxation law either?

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Barry Trotter wrote:

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:

inadaptado wrote:

imnotpc wrote:

longman wrote: How about making car drivers pay £1000 in tax! After all, we want equality dont we. If you are implying that cyclists dont pay 'road tax', you are showing your ignorance. Cyclists, like car drivers, pay for the upkeep of the roads in their council tax, just like car drivers. The little disc you fix to the windscreen of your car is vehicle excise duty, which is a variable tax on the emissions of your car. Seeing as riding a bike does not cause emissions (unless you have been eating food that causes emissions, such as pulses), it is impossible to impose vehicle excise duty. btw are you aware that car drivers who use cars such as the 'GiWiz' do not pay vehicle excise duty - your car tax. Should they pay £1000 also for using the roads? No, because they also pay for such usage in their council tax. Horse riders pay it, no because they do the same. Think about it and stop with your ignorance and anti-cycle rants. I am a car driver who has respect for ALL road users.

what a complete and utter waste of money and everyone knows it.cyclist should be made to pay for this.they really need to start contributing.Surely this money would be better spent elsewhere.Disgracefu l

I didn't know bicycle owners were exempt of paying council, income, business, VAT or any other kind of tax. I'm gonna buy one and ask for my money back, then.

Well they certainly seem to consider themselves to be exempt from complying with road traffic law, so why should we expect them to respect taxation law either?

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fredflintstone1 wrote:

Grumpy Old Cyclist wrote:
How about improving the facilities for cycles on trains? Come to that how about training rail staff to show some respect to cyclists?

Respect works both ways. Obviously you should have a separate carriage for changing in and out of all that fancy riding gear too, rather than blocking up the aisle of an ordinary carriage for more than 5 minutes, as was the case last night on a Southern train. Many cyclists see themselves as so special.

You are 100% right.Why should normal people have to see them parading around in that disgusting lycra lol.Have they looked in the mirror?...very perverted but it is Brighton i suppose hahahahahahaha

can i park my motorbike in these 'hubs' or will my congestion busting low emmission 2 wheeler be excluded?