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Tim sorts Brighton's North Laine from The Lanes

The Argus: Tim Price with his guide to Brighton inside the shop window Tim Price with his guide to Brighton inside the shop window

A shop owner is so frustrated about people confusing North Laine and The Lanes he has decided to educate the world.

Tim Price, who owns JuJu in Gloucester Road, said he was “driven nuts” by people saying his shop was in the Lanes.

It is, of course, in North Laine and so he has put a sign in his shop window explaining the difference.

Mr Price said: “It drives me nuts every time they say they are in The Lanes walking past my shop.

“I hear it constantly.

“I decided I had to get it out of my system.”

And having put up the sign so passers-by can see it, he said the response has been brilliant.

He added: “I have even had historians come in to say well done.

“So many people are reading the sign and saying it is brilliant and they did not know that.

“It has been an overwhelming response which I really did not expect.

“I am so glad I did it.”

The sign reads:

Did you know...

you are not in The Lanes.

You are not even in The North Lanes or The North Laines, You are in The North Laine.

It's singular because laine is, infact, an old word relating to what was once the north field hereabouts.

Nothing to do with lanes, see.

Oh, and by the way, there is no South Lanes,

it's simply The Lanes

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10:37am Fri 1 Feb 13

jamus77 says...

I would argue his sign is WRONG. It is not THE North Laine, simply North Laine.
I would argue his sign is WRONG. It is not THE North Laine, simply North Laine. jamus77
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10:48am Fri 1 Feb 13

Crystal Ball says...

Patronising oaf.
Patronising oaf. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 1

10:54am Fri 1 Feb 13

robsinden says...

jamus77 wrote:
I would argue his sign is WRONG. It is not THE North Laine, simply North Laine.
You're correct! Whilst I appreciate his effort, it's "North Laine", not "The North Laine". Who's going to tell him?
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: I would argue his sign is WRONG. It is not THE North Laine, simply North Laine.[/p][/quote]You're correct! Whilst I appreciate his effort, it's "North Laine", not "The North Laine". Who's going to tell him? robsinden
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11:38am Fri 1 Feb 13

billy goat-gruff says...

Pedants of the world unite!
Pedants of the world unite! billy goat-gruff
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11:42am Fri 1 Feb 13

banargustrolls says...

Indeed he's wrong it's North Laine without the 'The'.
DUH..
Indeed he's wrong it's North Laine without the 'The'. DUH.. banargustrolls
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11:56am Fri 1 Feb 13

ShorehamBeachcomber says...

So he's wrong & theargus is wrong....brilliant

Delete, delete
So he's wrong & theargus is wrong....brilliant Delete, delete ShorehamBeachcomber
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Lady Smith says...

Top man! It drives me up the wall too.
Top man! It drives me up the wall too. Lady Smith
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1:01pm Fri 1 Feb 13

668 The neighbour of the beast says...

As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.
As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind. 668 The neighbour of the beast
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Fri 1 Feb 13

RickH says...

It was one of the things that was pointed out to me when I first moved here 20+ years ago now. I concur he's wrong about it being called 'The North Laine'. But there's no such thing as bad publicity........
It was one of the things that was pointed out to me when I first moved here 20+ years ago now. I concur he's wrong about it being called 'The North Laine'. But there's no such thing as bad publicity........ RickH
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

wippasnapper says...

Problem is most people moving to Brighton seem to think it is part of the lain’s
To me the lain’s have always been the Victorian lain’s where no car/truck can drive down but if the green party had there way every street and road in B&H would become a car free zone therefore a lain but how gives a dam what people think as long as you are making money from them.
Problem is most people moving to Brighton seem to think it is part of the lain’s To me the lain’s have always been the Victorian lain’s where no car/truck can drive down but if the green party had there way every street and road in B&H would become a car free zone therefore a lain but how gives a dam what people think as long as you are making money from them. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Fri 1 Feb 13

lakeyboy says...

yeah nice one Tim, get a life man. surely people can call it what they like. Ha Ha you are a wally.
yeah nice one Tim, get a life man. surely people can call it what they like. Ha Ha you are a wally. lakeyboy
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Patronising oaf.
He's neither patronising nor an oaf. Just someone who's interested in local history and wants people to learn a little about it.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Patronising oaf.[/p][/quote]He's neither patronising nor an oaf. Just someone who's interested in local history and wants people to learn a little about it. Athena
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

668 The neighbour of the beast wrote:
As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.
There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point.
[quote][p][bold]668 The neighbour of the beast[/bold] wrote: As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.[/p][/quote]There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point. Athena
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3:32pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Problem is most people moving to Brighton seem to think it is part of the lain’s
To me the lain’s have always been the Victorian lain’s where no car/truck can drive down but if the green party had there way every street and road in B&H would become a car free zone therefore a lain but how gives a dam what people think as long as you are making money from them.
The Lanes of Brighton are famous the world over. They are not Victorian, but are what is left of the old medieval part of Brighton. They are too narrow for cars and they are called lanes because they are little roads or alleyways. They are not lain's.

A laine is an old Sussex word for field. (Note the extra "i" in the spelling.) There used to be several laines in Brighton before the Victorian development: North Laine; West Laine; East Laine; Little Laine and Hilly Laine. Only North Laine kept its name, and it is the Victorian area just south-east of Brighton Station. It is a quite different area to the ancient medieval part of Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Problem is most people moving to Brighton seem to think it is part of the lain’s To me the lain’s have always been the Victorian lain’s where no car/truck can drive down but if the green party had there way every street and road in B&H would become a car free zone therefore a lain but how gives a dam what people think as long as you are making money from them.[/p][/quote]The Lanes of Brighton are famous the world over. They are not Victorian, but are what is left of the old medieval part of Brighton. They are too narrow for cars and they are called lanes because they are little roads or alleyways. They are not lain's. A laine is an old Sussex word for field. (Note the extra "i" in the spelling.) There used to be several laines in Brighton before the Victorian development: North Laine; West Laine; East Laine; Little Laine and Hilly Laine. Only North Laine kept its name, and it is the Victorian area just south-east of Brighton Station. It is a quite different area to the ancient medieval part of Brighton. Athena
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3:38pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jgmd says...

Some people are so pedanticist.

Tim's right to correct it, but his correction is wrong, but anyway...

(A colleague told me once that his brother and sister-in-law had just split up. Her last words were "And another thing, you're so pedanticist!". To which of course he replied "Don't you mean ...")
Some people are so pedanticist. Tim's right to correct it, but his correction is wrong, but anyway... (A colleague told me once that his brother and sister-in-law had just split up. Her last words were "And another thing, you're so pedanticist!". To which of course he replied "Don't you mean ...") jgmd
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3:41pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

jgmd wrote:
Some people are so pedanticist.

Tim's right to correct it, but his correction is wrong, but anyway...

(A colleague told me once that his brother and sister-in-law had just split up. Her last words were "And another thing, you're so pedanticist!". To which of course he replied "Don't you mean ...")
But it's nothing to do with pedantry. It's to do with facts and history. It's like calling the Clock Tower an alarm clock, just because it's some kind of timepiece.
[quote][p][bold]jgmd[/bold] wrote: Some people are so pedanticist. Tim's right to correct it, but his correction is wrong, but anyway... (A colleague told me once that his brother and sister-in-law had just split up. Her last words were "And another thing, you're so pedanticist!". To which of course he replied "Don't you mean ...")[/p][/quote]But it's nothing to do with pedantry. It's to do with facts and history. It's like calling the Clock Tower an alarm clock, just because it's some kind of timepiece. Athena
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3:53pm Fri 1 Feb 13

668 The neighbour of the beast says...

Athena wrote:
668 The neighbour of the beast wrote:
As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.
There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point.
Thanks Athena
So, hang on, the north and south lanes are now collectively called 'the point'?

It could all get very confusing. Do people want to change the spelling to Laine? Good idea.

We did this sort of thing in the war to confuse German spies and in case of invasion.

Are people really that worried about Bulgarians? Let's just make a decision and stick to it. I'm with you Athena, the Point it shall be from now on.

Just to be sure are the lanes now to be known as 'The Point' or just 'Point'?

We don't want to add to any confusion...
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]668 The neighbour of the beast[/bold] wrote: As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.[/p][/quote]There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point.[/p][/quote]Thanks Athena So, hang on, the north and south lanes are now collectively called 'the point'? It could all get very confusing. Do people want to change the spelling to Laine? Good idea. We did this sort of thing in the war to confuse German spies and in case of invasion. Are people really that worried about Bulgarians? Let's just make a decision and stick to it. I'm with you Athena, the Point it shall be from now on. Just to be sure are the lanes now to be known as 'The Point' or just 'Point'? We don't want to add to any confusion... 668 The neighbour of the beast
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jgmd says...

@668

Isn't it obvious, surely it's 'North Point' and 'The Ponts'?
@668 Isn't it obvious, surely it's 'North Point' and 'The Ponts'? jgmd
  • Score: 0

4:49pm Fri 1 Feb 13

rolivan says...

I would like to know when it became North Laine was it after Tesco moved out of Gardner St
I would like to know when it became North Laine was it after Tesco moved out of Gardner St rolivan
  • Score: -1

4:53pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

668 The neighbour of the beast wrote:
Athena wrote:
668 The neighbour of the beast wrote:
As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.
There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point.
Thanks Athena
So, hang on, the north and south lanes are now collectively called 'the point'?

It could all get very confusing. Do people want to change the spelling to Laine? Good idea.

We did this sort of thing in the war to confuse German spies and in case of invasion.

Are people really that worried about Bulgarians? Let's just make a decision and stick to it. I'm with you Athena, the Point it shall be from now on.

Just to be sure are the lanes now to be known as 'The Point' or just 'Point'?

We don't want to add to any confusion...
Well, jokes apart, I think you have managed to do just that.
[quote][p][bold]668 The neighbour of the beast[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]668 The neighbour of the beast[/bold] wrote: As long as The North and South Lanes shops aren't affected by all this then I don't mind.[/p][/quote]There is no North Lane or South Lanes. That's the point.[/p][/quote]Thanks Athena So, hang on, the north and south lanes are now collectively called 'the point'? It could all get very confusing. Do people want to change the spelling to Laine? Good idea. We did this sort of thing in the war to confuse German spies and in case of invasion. Are people really that worried about Bulgarians? Let's just make a decision and stick to it. I'm with you Athena, the Point it shall be from now on. Just to be sure are the lanes now to be known as 'The Point' or just 'Point'? We don't want to add to any confusion...[/p][/quote]Well, jokes apart, I think you have managed to do just that. Athena
  • Score: 0

5:02pm Fri 1 Feb 13

jgmd says...

I wish we could hear what The Tims thinks - come on Tiime!
I wish we could hear what The Tims thinks - come on Tiime! jgmd
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5:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Skaville says...

Bloody Brummies, come down here, steal our jobs, nick our (Iranian) women, paint zebra stripes all over our buildings then try and pretend to be Brightonians. I'd send him straight back up the fast lane of the M40 to Birmingham (or should that be fast laine?).

Ha ha - Nice one Tim!
Bloody Brummies, come down here, steal our jobs, nick our (Iranian) women, paint zebra stripes all over our buildings then try and pretend to be Brightonians. I'd send him straight back up the fast lane of the M40 to Birmingham (or should that be fast laine?). Ha ha - Nice one Tim! Skaville
  • Score: 1

5:51pm Fri 1 Feb 13

terrace cred. says...

at last, a new pondering point of conversation for all of us leftovers in the remaining pubs up the hilly laine in hanover, whilst we look down upon the incoming ignorant hordes (and will the duke of york's accept my books of green shield stamps? never got to use 'em at tesco before they moved out of the gardner st gaff).
at last, a new pondering point of conversation for all of us leftovers in the remaining pubs up the hilly laine in hanover, whilst we look down upon the incoming ignorant hordes (and will the duke of york's accept my books of green shield stamps? never got to use 'em at tesco before they moved out of the gardner st gaff). terrace cred.
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5:59pm Fri 1 Feb 13

GraemeDavis says...

This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes.

The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The).

Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes.

Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling.
This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes. The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The). Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes. Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling. GraemeDavis
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6:13pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Athena says...

GraemeDavis wrote:
This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes.

The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The).

Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes.

Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling.
There is a map of Brighton dated 1792 showing all the different laines (that spelling). So it is not a 20th century revival and it is a quite separate word to lane, which has a different etymology. It is nothing to do with singular or plural, but one "laine" comprised many fields.
[quote][p][bold]GraemeDavis[/bold] wrote: This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes. The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The). Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes. Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling.[/p][/quote]There is a map of Brighton dated 1792 showing all the different laines (that spelling). So it is not a 20th century revival and it is a quite separate word to lane, which has a different etymology. It is nothing to do with singular or plural, but one "laine" comprised many fields. Athena
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10:33pm Fri 1 Feb 13

GraemeDavis says...

Athena wrote:
GraemeDavis wrote:
This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes.

The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The).

Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes.

Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling.
There is a map of Brighton dated 1792 showing all the different laines (that spelling). So it is not a 20th century revival and it is a quite separate word to lane, which has a different etymology. It is nothing to do with singular or plural, but one "laine" comprised many fields.
Yes I'm aware of the map and a couple of other sources which use this spelling variant. My point is that there was no earlier tradition of this spelling nor was it used in the Victorian age. It was "revived" at a twentieth century council meeting.

The suggestion made by several Brighton writers that "laine" is from an Anglo-Saxon word conflicts both with the known lexicon of Anglo-Saxon and the known development of Anglo-Saxon words through Middle English and into Modern English. It's a myth. Instead it's a late eighteenth century spelling mistake which was copied by a couple of related documents.

We're now all familiar with the spelling Laine and so it has become established for us. But our Victorian ancestors didn't know the form Laine, and our Georgian ancestors would have been amused that we have started using their spelling mistake. It's fine as a bit of fun, but that's all it is. There's a proper reason for the singular form but not for the spelling.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GraemeDavis[/bold] wrote: This one comes up every so often. There are two separate linguistic processes. The old field system which continued in Brighton until later than most areas divided fields into long, thin strips called lanes. When a plural is implicit English can use a singular form, as a six foot tall man or a twenty year old woman. This is particularly common in southern dialects. The singular form North Lane reflects this process (and as set out above there should be no The). Laine for Lane is a spelling variant. It certainly was used in a very few early sources for Brighton and so is recorded in the longest version of the Oxford English Dictionary. It is however of the nature of a spelling mistake. Curiously there are some fanciful definitions out there suggesting laine means loan or lease - these are just not correct. The word is lane. Brighton gets the spelling right in The Lanes. Laine was not used in Victorian Brighton but rather was "revived" in the twentieth century. The spelling now has a couple of generations of usage behind it, though there are still people alive who remember a time before the name North Laine was used. I think it is a shame that the council didn't go for the correct "North Lane", preserving the interesting singular but avoiding ye olde English coffee shopee style of spelling.[/p][/quote]There is a map of Brighton dated 1792 showing all the different laines (that spelling). So it is not a 20th century revival and it is a quite separate word to lane, which has a different etymology. It is nothing to do with singular or plural, but one "laine" comprised many fields.[/p][/quote]Yes I'm aware of the map and a couple of other sources which use this spelling variant. My point is that there was no earlier tradition of this spelling nor was it used in the Victorian age. It was "revived" at a twentieth century council meeting. The suggestion made by several Brighton writers that "laine" is from an Anglo-Saxon word conflicts both with the known lexicon of Anglo-Saxon and the known development of Anglo-Saxon words through Middle English and into Modern English. It's a myth. Instead it's a late eighteenth century spelling mistake which was copied by a couple of related documents. We're now all familiar with the spelling Laine and so it has become established for us. But our Victorian ancestors didn't know the form Laine, and our Georgian ancestors would have been amused that we have started using their spelling mistake. It's fine as a bit of fun, but that's all it is. There's a proper reason for the singular form but not for the spelling. GraemeDavis
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1:12pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Roundbill says...

Maybe someone should tell this semi-literate f@cktard that "in fact" is two words, not one.
Maybe someone should tell this semi-literate f@cktard that "in fact" is two words, not one. Roundbill
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Sat 2 Feb 13

Jetsamandflotsam says...

Bet he isn't from Brighton anyway.
Bet he isn't from Brighton anyway. Jetsamandflotsam
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4:20pm Sun 3 Feb 13

AmboGuy says...

Oh for god sake he's just doing it to get some free publicity for his shop, in these uncertain times I don't blame him for that.

The fact that he's still got it wrong is a hot embarrassing for him though I just admit!
Oh for god sake he's just doing it to get some free publicity for his shop, in these uncertain times I don't blame him for that. The fact that he's still got it wrong is a hot embarrassing for him though I just admit! AmboGuy
  • Score: 0

4:37pm Sun 3 Feb 13

terrace cred. says...

'uncertain...' - are you sure?
'uncertain...' - are you sure? terrace cred.
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