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Worries over water meters
1:20pm Saturday 2nd February 2013 in News By Ben Leo, reporter
Southern Water is installing meters across Brighton and Hove
Controversial plans to install water meters at nearly every home in the city are under way.
Southern Water announced in November last year it intended to install up to 75,000 devices at properties across Brighton and Hove in an attempt to save water and money.
The majority of installations in Worthing were completed last year, and the company has already started installations in Hove, working from west to east.
To date, they’ve installed meters at nearly 10,000 properties in Aldrington, Hove Park, West Blatchington and West Dene.
The work is part of their plan to install nearly 500,000 water meters across Kent, Sussex and Hampshire by 2015.
So far, 60 per cent of households that have been provided with a water meter have seen their water bills go down.
The company hasalready installed 79,000 meters across the south east and say more than 47,000 customers are saving an average of £11 a month.
New meters will ensure customers who were previously paying a flat rate for their water, based on the rateable value of their property, will now be charged for the water they use.
But around 32,000 customers, mostly large families who are big water users and who live in properties with low rateable values, have found an increase in their bills.
In response, the company has published tips, hints and resources to help ease the burden, including new tariffs and a visit from a ‘Green Doctor’ to fit free water-efficient devices.
Paying for use
Darren Bentham, director of metering at Southern Water, explained: “We believe that paying for what you use is the fairest way to charge.
“It’s the system which has long been adopted by all of the other utilities, but the water industry has been an anomaly in that you could keep your taps turned on all night and still pay the same.
“It’s of paramount importance that we all make the best use of water resources across the south east, as the region is officially defined by Government as water stressed, and meters encourage us all to save millions of litres of water every day.”
Southern Water says meters are vital to help preserve water resources and that installation ‘generally results in customers substantially cutting their water use'.
Fall in consumption
On the Isle of Wight, where every property is metered, water consumption has dropped from 165 litres per person a day to 135 litres, a saving of 18 per cent.
Consumer group Which? agreed water meters encouraged customers to reduce their consumption, but remained cautious over city-wide changes.
A spokesman said: “Meters can help cut water use by making consumers more aware of the amount of water they’re using.
“But while some can and do save money from meters, others – particularly large families – may see their bills rise.
“We want to see water companies considering the impact on all customers before making sweeping changes to the charging system.”
Southern Water tips for reducing useage
In the kitchen
“A larger, water efficient, modern family washing machine probably uses about 60 litres per wash.
An inefficient machine of the same size could use up to 100 litres or even more for older machines per wash.
If a family of four has enough dirty clothes for a load a day, the efficient washing machine uses nearly 22,000 litres a year and costs about £67 just for the water.
An inefficient machine will use about 10,000 litres more per year and costs an extra £30 on top. That doesn't include the cost of heating all the extra hot water.”
In the bathroom
“Older, single flush toilets can use between nine to 13 litres per flush. That’s around a bucket of water each flush.
“Modern, dual flush toilets use much less - around five litres each flush.
“Changing the toilet to dual flush would halve the amount of water, saving around £33 per person per year and more than £130 for a family of four.”
In the garden and outside
“Here are some simple tips to think about when watering:
- Water at the roots rather than the leaves to avoid evaporation
- Get some dirt under your fingernails and poke your finger into the garden soil. Remember it's the roots of plants that drink, so just because the soil crust is dry, it doesn’t mean it isn’t moist underneath
- Select plants that don’t need as much water. Try local perennials – once they are established, they shouldn’t need anything more than what nature provides in rainfall.
- If you have potted plants, add some water crystals, which soak up the water and then release it slowly over time as the plants need it.
What you're saying
Helen Wade had a water meter installed at her home in Littlehampton last year. She was previously paying a flat rate based on the rateable value of her property but said she is now more water-conscious since having the meter installed.
She said: “It’s made me think about the amount of water I use. Before I could just turn on the tap and know it would cost me the same amount whatever I used, but now I make much more of an effort to try and save water.
“I’ll turn the tap off when brushing my teeth and only fill the kettle up according to how much I need. When the first bill came in following the installation it was slightly more than normal but then again everything is going up these days, so we learn to deal with it.”
Karl Edwards, from Worthing, said: “There’s only two of us at my house so our bills went down after having a meter installed. I’ve definitely noticed the reduction in price.”
Katie Jewell, from Portslade, had her meter installed month ago. She said: “It was installed within 15 minutes and it was left tidy. I’m worried about the bigger bills because my sister likes a bath.”
Paul Buddery said: “The installation was done quickly but unless you live alone your bills are going up, unless you use water like it’s rationed.”
Tom Jolley, from Seaford, said: “I had one a year ago. Installation was quick and easy and my bills have gone down slightly. Every little helps, so I’m pleased.”
Twitter user tyke75 commented: “Ours starts in April. Bigger bills inevitable - another con - not worried about saving water, it hasn't stopped raining!”
Another twitter user, David Lyons, said: “Installed one in my flat. Bill is £7.70 a month down from £39.00. No-brainer!”
Customers will receive a letter and information pack four weeks in advance of their meter installation, followed by blue signs appearing in the street a week before the work is due and pink signs when the work is complete.
One in ten homes, or 7,500 homes, will need to be accessed for the meters to be installed.
The installation process
Argus reporter Kimberly Middleton, who lives in Preston Road, received her welcome pack last week.
She said: “We got a pack through at the end of last week from the water company saying within the next couple of weeks we will have a meter.
“At first it filled me with horror because as a child my parents always avoided having one fitted out of fear they wouldn’t be able to afford the bills.
“But hopefully just being two of us it will work out cheaper.
“I’ve already started timing the amount of time I spend in the shower, ensuring the tap isn’t running when I brush my teeth and waiting for the crockery to pile up before I do the washing up.”
The story so far
The first of 74,000 water meter installations in Brighton & Hove commenced in late November in the west of the city and they are moving gradually eastwards.
Nearly 10,000 meters have been installed in areas including Aldrington, Hove Park, West Blatchington and West Dene.
Southern Water is currently working in Patcham before moving next to Withdean, Preston Park, Holling-dean, Hollingbury, Falmer and Stanmer.
The installation programme is agreed with the council to avoid, as far as possible, town centres during peak shopping periods.
Southern Water says in most cases, inconvenience for customers is minimised as meters can be fitted in the pavements outside their homes.
A separate plan is being developed for the city centre as this contains a high proportion of flats where appointments with customers will need to be made.
A meter can take just a few minutes to install if it is simply screwed on to an outside stop valve, but it can take up to two hours if a dig and reinstatement is involved.
information
You can conduct a water audit of your home by visiting www.yourwatermeter.co.uk where there is also information on how to obtain free water-saving products and a post code checker allowing you to find out when your meter will be installed.
Visit www.southernwater.co.uk or call 0800 027 0363 Monday to Friday, 8am to 8pm and 9am to 1pm Saturday.
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Comments(31)
Old Ladys Gin
says...
2:18pm Sat 2 Feb 13
We live in a two bathroom house with a large garden.
Our last water bill compared our use to a one bedroom flat economically run.
I can see no reason why everyone should not be as conscious of their use, and charged for what they use.
Our bills are much less than they would be under the rating system.
Ballroom Blitz
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2:34pm Sat 2 Feb 13
668 The neighbour of the beast
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2:37pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Jimmy935
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3:07pm Sat 2 Feb 13
fredaj
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3:21pm Sat 2 Feb 13
MuammarQaddafi
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3:26pm Sat 2 Feb 13
risingphoenix
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4:16pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Family of 4 in a 4 bed semi paying approx £480 under rates model...
After metering, said family uses 200L per day as they conserve as much as they can...Bill falls to £360.
Great you might think....However southern base their calculations on average usage per person of 150L per day...
So if said family were just average users they would have a bill of £890 - a rise of 85% over their rates model!
Elsewhere in Europe the average bill is far lower and based on that average usage figure...
As ever the UK (or treasure island as its known to businesses) is overcharged!
It's a perfect business model...Reduce storage capacity to give the impression there is a water shortage...install meters and then charge more for less...
Even if you use nothing you get charged, so the idea that you onl 'pay for what you use' is a con!
censored
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4:53pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Water itself is a free commodity, you're merely paying for the infrastructure to bring it in treated and take waste away.
Zamora25
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5:07pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Metro Reader
says...
5:37pm Sat 2 Feb 13
will pay less this is a very good idea. I hope the company make good repairs the the paths etc after fitting the meters.
Every other utility is metered so why is water different.
Pay for what you use simple as that, seems the water company is making an effort here.
risingphoenix
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6:39pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Metro Reader wrote:There's another fool born every minute!
As the vast majority
will pay less this is a very good idea. I hope the company make good repairs the the paths etc after fitting the meters.
Every other utility is metered so why is water different.
Pay for what you use simple as that, seems the water company is making an effort here.
mimseycal
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7:24pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Metro Reader
says...
7:50pm Sat 2 Feb 13
risingphoenix wrote:If so it's not me.
Metro Reader wrote:There's another fool born every minute!
As the vast majority
will pay less this is a very good idea. I hope the company make good repairs the the paths etc after fitting the meters.
Every other utility is metered so why is water different.
Pay for what you use simple as that, seems the water company is making an effort here.
You pay for what you use, end of.
Why should an oap living alone pay the same as a failiy of 4?
Meters are long over due.
Bob_The_Ferret
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7:50pm Sat 2 Feb 13
It's obscene that we should have the threat of water shortages in this country - an island surrounded by water, but we are not allowed to use efficient and effective desalination technology because of a political elite that insists on retaining a firm control on the proletariat by restricting access to such basic resources. Just look up the history of the struggle Thames Water had to build the country's only large scale desalination plant, and even now, they are not permitted to use it except in the most extreme drought conditions - scandalous.
lillylou
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8:22pm Sat 2 Feb 13
puddingandpi
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9:27pm Sat 2 Feb 13
HJarrs
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8:52am Sun 3 Feb 13
I read a study on the fitment of water meters on the Isle of Wight some time ago and it seems that the majority of water saving was on the supply side. Now I am all for water saving and we could achieve far more straight away by fitment of high quality low water use toilets before even thinking about water meters.
I sometimes wonder if the water meter fitment program is so popular with water companies as it is a one way bet for them.
RottingdeanRant
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8:54am Sun 3 Feb 13
whereisthe...?
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10:45am Sun 3 Feb 13
Now you tell me - what idiot thinks the water company is doing this for ANY reason other than MONEY, and getting around the law.
And the ARGUS has jumped in to write this puff piece to help them screw people out of MORE of their hard earned money, and pretend its about being Green.
Lovely.
D360
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11:14am Sun 3 Feb 13
censored wrote:You are paying for the water to be extracted from source underground, tested, treated, piped to your home, wasted piped away, treated, maintenance etc etc. To say water is a "free commodity" is mind numbingly stupid. If you want to free yourself of dependence on the water company I suggest you use only rainwater you collect yourself, see how that works out for you...
Paying for what you use is not the way to charge for water. The company have fixed costs, which do not rise the more you use.
Water itself is a free commodity, you're merely paying for the infrastructure to bring it in treated and take waste away.
About time Britain joined the 21 st century and charged people for what they actually use
RottingdeanRant
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12:41pm Sun 3 Feb 13
whereisthe...? wrote:Absolute tosh about the meters being able to reduce the water supply. Go have a look at one before you make such ridiculous claims.
It is ILLEGAL to cut off a person's water supply. The meters can cut your supply to literally barely a trickle, thus getting around the law. Fact.
Now you tell me - what idiot thinks the water company is doing this for ANY reason other than MONEY, and getting around the law.
And the ARGUS has jumped in to write this puff piece to help them screw people out of MORE of their hard earned money, and pretend its about being Green.
Lovely.
Old Ladys Gin
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2:12pm Sun 3 Feb 13
whereisthe...? wrote:Move to Spain where any utility company will cut off your supply if you don't pay the bill, in full and on time.
It is ILLEGAL to cut off a person's water supply. The meters can cut your supply to literally barely a trickle, thus getting around the law. Fact.
Now you tell me - what idiot thinks the water company is doing this for ANY reason other than MONEY, and getting around the law.
And the ARGUS has jumped in to write this puff piece to help them screw people out of MORE of their hard earned money, and pretend its about being Green.
Lovely.
When you have been cut off you will have to pay about 300 pounds to be reconnected and the amount you pay for wate/gas/electricity will increase by 50 percent or more.
Your bill is calculated by your useage and how many people are registered in your house; exceed that number and your rate increases by a significant amount.
Last year the bills, wait for it,for electricity had a price increase backdated! Something unheard of in the UK.
The British consumer has had it soft for far too long. It's about time they wised up and paid up.
getThisCoalitionOut
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6:05pm Sun 3 Feb 13
I am 100% against water meters - we shouldn't be discouraged from washing and cleaning - we need encouraging to do it more, seeing as so many people don't wash their hands after going to the loo, disgusting.
This country - under this unelected coalition, gets worse and worse.
fredflintstone1
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6:47pm Sun 3 Feb 13
Why are they allowed to have a monoply on supply, if they're now charging through metering? What about consumer choice?
Southern Water have already proved themselves totally dishonest in the past. So can we trust their meters?
Tallywhacker
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9:18am Mon 4 Feb 13
wippasnapper
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5:52pm Mon 4 Feb 13
And most residents who live on the own will save bucket loads of money that the water board has been over charging them for many a long years why pay £300 or more a year when you can pay as little as £100 a year of course larger households will most probably pay more if they are not eco friendly
& Did you also know if your building has a sock away southern water should not be charging you for sock away because your not using there precise road drains.
wippasnapper
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6:09pm Mon 4 Feb 13
lillylou wrote:Why witch gender is it being sexist against?
Water meters are sexist !
And for what reason would it be sexist?
wippasnapper
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6:26pm Mon 4 Feb 13
And there will always be those in a larger household with a large family that use more than a small household with one or two persons paying much, much less!
For Obvious reason those less conches and those in larger household with big families will always complain!
But I say to you why should we the smaller family and singles pay for water we do not use wile you pay less for the water you waist.
Obvious riley the more you use the more you pay Simples.
Kawasaki998
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8:12pm Mon 4 Feb 13
mimseycal
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8:36pm Mon 4 Feb 13
It will get to a stage where people will have to seriously consider whether to water their garden, wash the car or bathe the baby ...
This isn't about us being in a water stressed area. We are in bondage to the privatised water company that has a monopoly on the supply of water in this region.
The same company who last year, during what turned out to be the wettest year in ages, tried to insist on calling a hosepipe ban in the same edition of a daily newspaper that warned us about floods ...
mimseycal says...
2:05pm Sat 2 Feb 13