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1,500 new homes stalled in Sussex

The Argus: More homes are needed in Brighton and Hove and across Sussex More homes are needed in Brighton and Hove and across Sussex

Developers are being urged to get to work on approved housing schemes to help tackle Brighton and Hove’s housing crisis.

The call comes as a report reveals there are more than 1,500 stalled homes in the city at a time when housing waiting lists continue to grow and house prices rise.

A further 1,067 homes in Crawley have also been given planning permission but have yet to materialise into bricks and mortar and another 341 stalled homes in Worthing according to the Centre For Cities report.

Housing charities are calling on developers to be bold and build desperately needed new houses despite the uncertain economic outlook.

Some developers however pointed the finger at the city’s determination to be green which was making building homes too difficult.

The Argus has also learnt that a £570 million government fund designed to kick-start stalled housing schemes has only had three successful applicants in Sussex since its launch in November 2011.

Only three developments for a total of 169 homes in Lewes, Bewbush and Wealden will see Get Britain Building money.

Property prices

A Land Registry report last week revealed that Brighton and Hove had one of the largest increases in property prices in 2012 with a 5.3% annual rise to an average £229,004 while the council’s housing waiting list now exceeds 12,000.

Andy Winter, chief executive at the Brighton Housing Trust, said he hoped that a quick resolution to proposals to build 750 new homes on Toads Hole Valley would spur other developers into action.

He said: “Developers should either get on with it or pull out.

“We can’t sit around for another five or ten years waiting for the economic climate to come right, the need for housing is too important.

“One of the problems with private development is these new homes could become second homes for people from London. That won’t solve our housing crisis.

Social housing

“We need the social housing aspect so local people get a chance of this housing.”

Businessman Mike Holland said: “The onerous conditions being imposed on developers is to blame.

“At the moment the green aspirations for this city are put before getting houses built. I’m not suggesting any party has been perfect but things have got worse since the Green administration took over.”

Tony Mernagh said the city re-flected the country as a whole where less than half the targeted number of homes were built last year.

He said: “All local authorities can really do is make the climate propitious for housebuilders.”

High numbers

Alexandra Jones, chief executive of Centre for Cities said: “Brighton has high numbers of stalled housing schemes. Ultimately, cities, not government, should make decisions about local housing requirements, so that the housing needs of their residents can be met.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said there was often a gap of one to two years between planning permission being granted and development starting because of a wide variety of financial, marketing or purchasing issues.

He said: “Even in the best market conditions it is quite normal to have a stock of planning permissions which have not ‘technically’ started.

“The economic situation over the last few years has adversely affected house building, and Brighton and Hove is no exception.”

A Crawley Borough Council spokesman said: “The main reason for the delay in a number of these schemes is the current economic climate, particularly in the light of restrictive lending practices and inability for first-time buyers to obtain a mortgage, which makes sites with a high percentage of flats, aimed at the first-time buyer market, particularly at risk.”

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1:29pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Fairfax Sakes says...

So some houses didnt get built. Big deal, who cares anyway? If you cant afford it in Brighton just move. Life's tough, end of story.
So some houses didnt get built. Big deal, who cares anyway? If you cant afford it in Brighton just move. Life's tough, end of story. Fairfax Sakes
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1:51pm Mon 4 Feb 13

bug eye says...

It would be helpful to know how many of the 12,000 on the council waiting list are in need and have links to brighton and hove. anyone can put their names on the list no matter what your situation or whether it changes, so the 12000 is not really a true reflection of genuine need. The city cannot expand indefinitely, it is not as if we have a surplus of jobs or school places etc. and we could never reach one planet status.

The council should be looking at its current housing stock by providing loft extensions and other extensions to save overcrowding and expensive moves. building more floors on low rise blocks. all a cheaper option and to save moving people around.
It would be helpful to know how many of the 12,000 on the council waiting list are in need and have links to brighton and hove. anyone can put their names on the list no matter what your situation or whether it changes, so the 12000 is not really a true reflection of genuine need. The city cannot expand indefinitely, it is not as if we have a surplus of jobs or school places etc. and we could never reach one planet status. The council should be looking at its current housing stock by providing loft extensions and other extensions to save overcrowding and expensive moves. building more floors on low rise blocks. all a cheaper option and to save moving people around. bug eye
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2:33pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Crystal Ball says...

Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties?
Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties? Crystal Ball
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3:51pm Mon 4 Feb 13

rubberflipper says...

Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city.

The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.
Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city. The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point. rubberflipper
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4:11pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Serf says...

rubberflipper wrote:
Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city.

The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.
Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives.
[quote][p][bold]rubberflipper[/bold] wrote: Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city. The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives. Serf
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4:47pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Fairfax Sakes wrote:
So some houses didnt get built. Big deal, who cares anyway? If you cant afford it in Brighton just move. Life's tough, end of story.
Yes, thank you for that comment Mrs Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Sakes[/bold] wrote: So some houses didnt get built. Big deal, who cares anyway? If you cant afford it in Brighton just move. Life's tough, end of story.[/p][/quote]Yes, thank you for that comment Mrs Thatcher. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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6:12pm Mon 4 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

I bet the owners of toad valley being cook ltd will take note and not sleep tonight! They are probably the biggest private landlord in brighton.
Unless the social housing laws are removed no private company will rush into building properties when mortgages are so hard to get! No longer sign the dotted line for whatever you fancy!
I bet the owners of toad valley being cook ltd will take note and not sleep tonight! They are probably the biggest private landlord in brighton. Unless the social housing laws are removed no private company will rush into building properties when mortgages are so hard to get! No longer sign the dotted line for whatever you fancy! mark by the sea
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7:05pm Mon 4 Feb 13

inadaptado says...

Serf wrote:
rubberflipper wrote:
Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city.

The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.
Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives.
Again with the Romanians. Why are we so absolutely sure that they will come here? Has anyone heard of any Bulgarian or Romanian declare their intentions to move to B&H, or to United Kingdom for that matter? Do they even know B&H exists?

Also, have we already forgotten of all the council homes lost to the buy-to-let scheme which are being now exploited by nationals? I bet there are more of these than council homes awarded to foreigners.
[quote][p][bold]Serf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rubberflipper[/bold] wrote: Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city. The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives.[/p][/quote]Again with the Romanians. Why are we so absolutely sure that they will come here? Has anyone heard of any Bulgarian or Romanian declare their intentions to move to B&H, or to United Kingdom for that matter? Do they even know B&H exists? Also, have we already forgotten of all the council homes lost to the buy-to-let scheme which are being now exploited by nationals? I bet there are more of these than council homes awarded to foreigners. inadaptado
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7:06pm Mon 4 Feb 13

BB1975 says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties?
I agree. Rather than legislate and force people under occupying their homes to downsize, the government just decides to penalise them by introducing a bedroom tax on empty bedrooms instead. Not a constructive way of dealing with what is clearly a huge problem.
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties?[/p][/quote]I agree. Rather than legislate and force people under occupying their homes to downsize, the government just decides to penalise them by introducing a bedroom tax on empty bedrooms instead. Not a constructive way of dealing with what is clearly a huge problem. BB1975
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7:12pm Mon 4 Feb 13

BB1975 says...

Serf wrote:
rubberflipper wrote:
Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city.

The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.
Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives.
You do actually have to have lived in Brighton and Hove for 2 years and have a local connection, be either living or working here, to be put on to the housing register.
[quote][p][bold]Serf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rubberflipper[/bold] wrote: Only people BORN in B&H should be allowed to have access to council housing in the city. The burgeoning student population has stretched availability of homes to rent to breaking point.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the system does not give the current citizens of Brighton & Hove any priority. Although there are a lot of people in the city that have a need, if an outsider arrives and their need is greater, they will get priority. This situation will get a lot worse if the predicted influx of Bulgarians and Romanians arrives.[/p][/quote]You do actually have to have lived in Brighton and Hove for 2 years and have a local connection, be either living or working here, to be put on to the housing register. BB1975
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7:59pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Sussex jim says...

Put yourself in the position of a developer. You have bought a plot . Property prices have come down if anything at the moment. Best to sit on that plot until things improve.
And buy-to-let does not make any difference to the total housing stock.
Put yourself in the position of a developer. You have bought a plot . Property prices have come down if anything at the moment. Best to sit on that plot until things improve. And buy-to-let does not make any difference to the total housing stock. Sussex jim
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8:15pm Mon 4 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Where is all this land? I will build a house and so would thousands of others. Time to take the land off those speculating on it.
Where is all this land? I will build a house and so would thousands of others. Time to take the land off those speculating on it. HJarrs
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9:52pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Valerie Paynter says...

It would be interesting to know precisely how much property is currently tied up and 'landbanked' in this city by developers.

I am researching something at the moment and back in 1971-2 developers set about acquiring all of 1-6 Victoria Terrace which they left empty and mouldering horribly for the next 5 years or so while they tried to get a scheme going - including, eventually attempted de-listing of it and demolition (which failed thanks to the Secretary of State).

However I do know of developers today who are leaving firms and people in situ until they get planning consents and finance in place to redevelop.

Leaving places empty and vulnerable is something that should be legislated against. As Hyde Housing shamefully did to Park House in Old Shoreham Road. Unlike Victoria Terrace, it won't be reprieved and done up.
It would be interesting to know precisely how much property is currently tied up and 'landbanked' in this city by developers. I am researching something at the moment and back in 1971-2 developers set about acquiring all of 1-6 Victoria Terrace which they left empty and mouldering horribly for the next 5 years or so while they tried to get a scheme going - including, eventually attempted de-listing of it and demolition (which failed thanks to the Secretary of State). However I do know of developers today who are leaving firms and people in situ until they get planning consents and finance in place to redevelop. Leaving places empty and vulnerable is something that should be legislated against. As Hyde Housing shamefully did to Park House in Old Shoreham Road. Unlike Victoria Terrace, it won't be reprieved and done up. Valerie Paynter
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10:25pm Mon 4 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

.......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants.
I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established.
There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting.
.......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants. I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established. There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting. Maxwell's Ghost
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12:02am Tue 5 Feb 13

mimseycal says...

BB1975 wrote:
Crystal Ball wrote:
Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties?
I agree. Rather than legislate and force people under occupying their homes to downsize, the government just decides to penalise them by introducing a bedroom tax on empty bedrooms instead. Not a constructive way of dealing with what is clearly a huge problem.
The bedroom tax isn't just on empty bedrooms. It is on a bedroom declared a spare room. So if you have two daughters, or two sons for that matter, aged under 16, your third bedroom would be decared a spare room. Similarly if you have a son and daughter 10 years old or younger.

If you are an absentee parent who has a legal agreement to have your children every (other) weekend, half the school holidays and every other christmas, your second bedroom would be declared a spare room.
[quote][p][bold]BB1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Potentially opening up a can of worms but perhaps BHCC should start looking at households where the situation has changed e.g. a house is too big for the amount of people (now) living there and move folk into more appropriate properties?[/p][/quote]I agree. Rather than legislate and force people under occupying their homes to downsize, the government just decides to penalise them by introducing a bedroom tax on empty bedrooms instead. Not a constructive way of dealing with what is clearly a huge problem.[/p][/quote]The bedroom tax isn't just on empty bedrooms. It is on a bedroom declared a spare room. So if you have two daughters, or two sons for that matter, aged under 16, your third bedroom would be decared a spare room. Similarly if you have a son and daughter 10 years old or younger. If you are an absentee parent who has a legal agreement to have your children every (other) weekend, half the school holidays and every other christmas, your second bedroom would be declared a spare room. mimseycal
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12:17am Tue 5 Feb 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
.......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants.
I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established.
There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting.
Council tax records....the rules on empty premises was changed in 2012.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: .......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants. I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established. There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting.[/p][/quote]Council tax records....the rules on empty premises was changed in 2012. Valerie Paynter
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12:29am Tue 5 Feb 13

leobrighton says...

The real problem is the foreign influx. Not just on housing demands which are massive and always put before locals but also education, free halal school dinners which are also massively up.
The real problem is the foreign influx. Not just on housing demands which are massive and always put before locals but also education, free halal school dinners which are also massively up. leobrighton
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12:37am Tue 5 Feb 13

nosolution says...

HJarrs wrote:
Where is all this land? I will build a house and so would thousands of others. Time to take the land off those speculating on it.
This land is everywhere,it is the farmland that surrounds most towns and villages,it is that scrubby "wasteland" where people walk their dogs.Those empty office blocks full of feral pigeons,that is speculative investment too.The parade of shops with empty flats above them,all owned by investment firms and pension fund brokers.The type of investment yielding the greatest return?Not brownfield but farmland bought at peppercorn rates in comparison...
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Where is all this land? I will build a house and so would thousands of others. Time to take the land off those speculating on it.[/p][/quote]This land is everywhere,it is the farmland that surrounds most towns and villages,it is that scrubby "wasteland" where people walk their dogs.Those empty office blocks full of feral pigeons,that is speculative investment too.The parade of shops with empty flats above them,all owned by investment firms and pension fund brokers.The type of investment yielding the greatest return?Not brownfield but farmland bought at peppercorn rates in comparison... nosolution
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6:34am Tue 5 Feb 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
.......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants.
I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established.
There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting.
Which is why I always sympathise with squatters. You leave a property empty - expect to find it occupied by people who need it.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: .......and then there are the properties and offices which are built and which are bought by portfolio companies which leave them empty and never move tenants in because the property has more value without tenants. I once tried to get figures from councils as to what percentage of new development were left empty and it was impossible. Possibly using an FOI this could now be established. There were whole blocks in London built and bought and never occupied and without any intention of letting.[/p][/quote]Which is why I always sympathise with squatters. You leave a property empty - expect to find it occupied by people who need it. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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6:43am Tue 5 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it.
Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links.
Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.
Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it. Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links. Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove. Maxwell's Ghost
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7:53am Tue 5 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it.
Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links.
Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.
Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it. Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links. Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane. HJarrs
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8:34am Tue 5 Feb 13

Sussex jim says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it.
Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links.
Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.
Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane.
A station,cylce lane and bus lane.
Just the thing for moving goods in or out of industrial units!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it. Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links. Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane.[/p][/quote]A station,cylce lane and bus lane. Just the thing for moving goods in or out of industrial units! Sussex jim
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9:16am Tue 5 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Oh HJarrs your world is so small. You need to get into the job market and also get into the local business.
Local businesses called on Preston Barracks to be turned into small units where they could store building materials, plumbing kits etc but the route is now inaccessible and traders would probably prefer to be further up the Lewes Road away from the lane at Moulsecoomb.
Do you ever listen to anyone HJarrs? You are more like Kitkat every day but remember, all parties who ignore the electorate have failed.
Do you listen to your kid?
Oh HJarrs your world is so small. You need to get into the job market and also get into the local business. Local businesses called on Preston Barracks to be turned into small units where they could store building materials, plumbing kits etc but the route is now inaccessible and traders would probably prefer to be further up the Lewes Road away from the lane at Moulsecoomb. Do you ever listen to anyone HJarrs? You are more like Kitkat every day but remember, all parties who ignore the electorate have failed. Do you listen to your kid? Maxwell's Ghost
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9:45am Tue 5 Feb 13

musesboy says...

I keep forgetting just how bad the Greens are. They've been working for years (even before they had any councillors) to make sure Preston Barracks would stand empty through all the previous administrations.. it's getting boring. Don't you guys have jobs to do or did the Greens make you redundant?
I keep forgetting just how bad the Greens are. They've been working for years (even before they had any councillors) to make sure Preston Barracks would stand empty through all the previous administrations.. it's getting boring. Don't you guys have jobs to do or did the Greens make you redundant? musesboy
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11:31am Tue 5 Feb 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it.
Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links.
Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.
Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane.
:-)) Oh, come on 'H', not even you can believe that that constitutes good transport links for an industrial estate! (Made me laugh though so not all bad!)
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Preston Barracks still empty still with a SEEDA sign outside it. Was supposed to be small industrial units and housing. Missed the boat. Now it's unlikely traders will want to be there due to the dreadful transport links. Vast office blocks sitting empty and run down all over the UK and particularly in Brighton and Hove.[/p][/quote]Yes dreadful transport links; station around the corner and in a few months a proper cycle lane and dedicated bus lane.[/p][/quote]:-)) Oh, come on 'H', not even you can believe that that constitutes good transport links for an industrial estate! (Made me laugh though so not all bad!) Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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11:46am Tue 5 Feb 13

nosolution says...

There are many thousands of empty buildings and 100's of acres of brownfield lying desolate all over the city that all could be developed before destroying Toads hole valley...
There are many thousands of empty buildings and 100's of acres of brownfield lying desolate all over the city that all could be developed before destroying Toads hole valley... nosolution
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