MPs vote to back gay marriage plans

Gay marriage plans have been backed by MPs - with Sussex representatives split on the issue.

Politicians from across the country spent this afternoon debating a bill to allow same-sex couples to get married in both civil and religious ceremonies.

After a lengthy debate which lasted all afternoon, MPs passed the agreement onto the next stage of the law-making process.

Culture Secretary Maria Miller said the legislation for England and Wales would create a "fairer place to live" but insisted that religions which objected to the plans would not be forced to conduct same-sex ceremonies.

She claimed it was "simply inconceivable" that the European Court of Human Rights would unpick the Government's "quadruple lock" aimed at protecting religions who did not wish to opt-in to the proposals.

The Commons voted by 400 to 175, majority 225, to give the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill a second reading.

In a late intervention just two hours before MPs voted, the Prime Minister made a televised statement to say the move was about "making our society stronger".

But the debate heard from a number of prominent Tory critics of the proposals who argued they undermined marriage, would alienate voters and could damage the party's election prospects.

Brighton Pavilion MP Caroline Lucas said: “While the Conservative catfight over the vote will fade into insignificance, the momentous occasion on which MPs were given the chance to stand up for equality in marriage will be remembered for many years to come.

“However, while I'll be voting for equal marriage, I'll also be calling for more far reaching reform to allow everyone - same sex and opposite sex couples - to enjoy a civil partnership or marriage, as they choose.

“This is a question of equal love. It's not about asking for special treatment for gay couples or straight couples, it's about everyone enjoying the same rights regardless of their sexuality.”

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8:04pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oooh err says...

It is a shame DC didn`t put as much effort into introducing shared tax allowances for married couples.
Still, marraige as an institution and the foundation for raising children has been undermined by successive parliaments in the name of equality so we shouldn`t be surprised by this.
It is a shame DC didn`t put as much effort into introducing shared tax allowances for married couples. Still, marraige as an institution and the foundation for raising children has been undermined by successive parliaments in the name of equality so we shouldn`t be surprised by this. Oooh err

9:01pm Tue 5 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

You mean introduce a tax dodge!
You mean introduce a tax dodge! HJarrs

9:23pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oooh err says...

No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them.
An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.
No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them. An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported. Oooh err

9:43pm Tue 5 Feb 13

imnotpc says...

Doesn't this just make your skin crawl...its not natural.Absolutely disgusting
Doesn't this just make your skin crawl...its not natural.Absolutely disgusting imnotpc

9:48pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Oooh err says...

No it doesn't to be honest, what consenting adults do in their own time is none of my business.
However I do think the continued attacks on the traditional marraige are undermining the fabric of society and many of the problems we face today can be linked to it.
No it doesn't to be honest, what consenting adults do in their own time is none of my business. However I do think the continued attacks on the traditional marraige are undermining the fabric of society and many of the problems we face today can be linked to it. Oooh err

10:41pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Vigilia says...

This was not a Conservative Manifesto commitment, nor was the decimation of the armed forces.

David Cameron has consigned his Party into oblivion.
This was not a Conservative Manifesto commitment, nor was the decimation of the armed forces. David Cameron has consigned his Party into oblivion. Vigilia

11:25pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

As two in three marriages now end in
Divorce and the majority of UK kids are being born out of wedlock the UK needs gays getting married in the hope of salvaging the failing institution. 68 per cent of divorces in the UK are now sought by women which is shocking and something is wrong with marriage as we understand it in the modern world. That's not the Govt undermine marriage that's women wanting out yet the church seems uninterested
In dealing with that issue its still too busy alienating women by voting against female bishops.
And it's interesting that we have apparent large numbers of people in opposition yet churches empty. Where are all these married church loving couples.
Also it must be very upsetting to couples who cannot have kids because they are infertile being told marriage is about having kids. Does that mean they arent a proper marriage?
Never in any religious lesson or church have ever heard that marriage is to make kids.
As for married tax breaks you get child allowance and working tax credits, social housing etc.
If you think a tenner a month makes
People get married you really are mad.
As two in three marriages now end in Divorce and the majority of UK kids are being born out of wedlock the UK needs gays getting married in the hope of salvaging the failing institution. 68 per cent of divorces in the UK are now sought by women which is shocking and something is wrong with marriage as we understand it in the modern world. That's not the Govt undermine marriage that's women wanting out yet the church seems uninterested In dealing with that issue its still too busy alienating women by voting against female bishops. And it's interesting that we have apparent large numbers of people in opposition yet churches empty. Where are all these married church loving couples. Also it must be very upsetting to couples who cannot have kids because they are infertile being told marriage is about having kids. Does that mean they arent a proper marriage? Never in any religious lesson or church have ever heard that marriage is to make kids. As for married tax breaks you get child allowance and working tax credits, social housing etc. If you think a tenner a month makes People get married you really are mad. Maxwell's Ghost

11:33pm Tue 5 Feb 13

Mr Sworld says...

Oooh err wrote:
No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them.
An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.
One person working and one person staying at home without a wage? Are you having a laugh?

A two bedroom house in Brighton is about £230,000 nowadays. Both partners need to earn a living wage.

A 'Tax Break' that would cover that would be nice but it's only going to happen in dreams.
[quote][p][bold]Oooh err[/bold] wrote: No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them. An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.[/p][/quote]One person working and one person staying at home without a wage? Are you having a laugh? A two bedroom house in Brighton is about £230,000 nowadays. Both partners need to earn a living wage. A 'Tax Break' that would cover that would be nice but it's only going to happen in dreams. Mr Sworld

12:46am Wed 6 Feb 13

CSummers says...

"Equal love"??? It would appear that our Green MP and I have a very different understanding of love.
"Equal love"??? It would appear that our Green MP and I have a very different understanding of love. CSummers

7:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

Plantpot says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
As two in three marriages now end in
Divorce and the majority of UK kids are being born out of wedlock the UK needs gays getting married in the hope of salvaging the failing institution. 68 per cent of divorces in the UK are now sought by women which is shocking and something is wrong with marriage as we understand it in the modern world. That's not the Govt undermine marriage that's women wanting out yet the church seems uninterested
In dealing with that issue its still too busy alienating women by voting against female bishops.
And it's interesting that we have apparent large numbers of people in opposition yet churches empty. Where are all these married church loving couples.
Also it must be very upsetting to couples who cannot have kids because they are infertile being told marriage is about having kids. Does that mean they arent a proper marriage?
Never in any religious lesson or church have ever heard that marriage is to make kids.
As for married tax breaks you get child allowance and working tax credits, social housing etc.
If you think a tenner a month makes
People get married you really are mad.
The institution of marriage is only worth something if it's of worth to society.

Marriage has been undermined over the years as an institution, hence we are now reaping the benefits. Such has been the focus on "inclusiveness" (the vast majority bending over to meet the tiny minority) that UK society and the CofE no longer believe in anything because they believe in everything, no matter how conflicting.

Marriage tax breaks aren't about the money.

You're confusing the CofE with being the only place you can worship God. More people still go to church than attend football matches at the week-end (go find the stat yourself, I've done it several times on these comment forums and can't be bothered to do so again). Non-mainstream churches are flourishing.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: As two in three marriages now end in Divorce and the majority of UK kids are being born out of wedlock the UK needs gays getting married in the hope of salvaging the failing institution. 68 per cent of divorces in the UK are now sought by women which is shocking and something is wrong with marriage as we understand it in the modern world. That's not the Govt undermine marriage that's women wanting out yet the church seems uninterested In dealing with that issue its still too busy alienating women by voting against female bishops. And it's interesting that we have apparent large numbers of people in opposition yet churches empty. Where are all these married church loving couples. Also it must be very upsetting to couples who cannot have kids because they are infertile being told marriage is about having kids. Does that mean they arent a proper marriage? Never in any religious lesson or church have ever heard that marriage is to make kids. As for married tax breaks you get child allowance and working tax credits, social housing etc. If you think a tenner a month makes People get married you really are mad.[/p][/quote]The institution of marriage is only worth something if it's of worth to society. Marriage has been undermined over the years as an institution, hence we are now reaping the benefits. Such has been the focus on "inclusiveness" (the vast majority bending over to meet the tiny minority) that UK society and the CofE no longer believe in anything because they believe in everything, no matter how conflicting. Marriage tax breaks aren't about the money. You're confusing the CofE with being the only place you can worship God. More people still go to church than attend football matches at the week-end (go find the stat yourself, I've done it several times on these comment forums and can't be bothered to do so again). Non-mainstream churches are flourishing. Plantpot

7:53am Wed 6 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Oooh err wrote:
No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them.
An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.
I think you are way behind the times. People with children often do get tax breaks and family allowance. I am all for this, children are a significant expense but benefit to society. However, this has nothing to do with marriage. You are proposing a permanent tax break whether you have children or not or whether they have long flown the nest.
[quote][p][bold]Oooh err[/bold] wrote: No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them. An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.[/p][/quote]I think you are way behind the times. People with children often do get tax breaks and family allowance. I am all for this, children are a significant expense but benefit to society. However, this has nothing to do with marriage. You are proposing a permanent tax break whether you have children or not or whether they have long flown the nest. HJarrs

7:58am Wed 6 Feb 13

Plantpot says...

HJarrs wrote:
Oooh err wrote:
No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them.
An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.
I think you are way behind the times. People with children often do get tax breaks and family allowance. I am all for this, children are a significant expense but benefit to society. However, this has nothing to do with marriage. You are proposing a permanent tax break whether you have children or not or whether they have long flown the nest.
You're confusing money with the message sent out that marriage is a valued institution.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oooh err[/bold] wrote: No, I mean a tax break for married couples where one person remains at home or works part time so that they can concentrate on raising their family whilst their partner works to support them. An old fashioned idea I know but one that should be supported.[/p][/quote]I think you are way behind the times. People with children often do get tax breaks and family allowance. I am all for this, children are a significant expense but benefit to society. However, this has nothing to do with marriage. You are proposing a permanent tax break whether you have children or not or whether they have long flown the nest.[/p][/quote]You're confusing money with the message sent out that marriage is a valued institution. Plantpot

8:25am Wed 6 Feb 13

Sussex jim says...

Can I marry my car? I do love it; and I quite often threaten to carry out unnatural acts on it while trying to repair it.
Can I marry my car? I do love it; and I quite often threaten to carry out unnatural acts on it while trying to repair it. Sussex jim

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