Inquiry into Sussex Police restraint of disabled child (From The Argus)

They are serious complaints but the Argus doesn't say why or who was arrested. It could be she was running amok with a knife, in which case they restraint used would be understandable.

So someone has called the Police to this girl on 5 separate occasions. Obviously they were unable to control her themselves or they would not have called for assistance. It would seem that this child's medical condition is not being managed successfully.
I'm sure the Police would have only used reasonable restraint for the circumstances. So, whoever called them has asked for this help but is now complaining about it. It seems the Police can't win whatever they do.

If she is disabled in the way described, with strong difficulties, I doubt she was IN public, alone much, and since this was the fourth time, surely the mother knew public was perhaps not the best place for her at this moment.


So why on earth WAS the child in public, and if the mother was with her, how on earth did she let her get into a situation where she would then get arrested?!!


If she wasnt there, why not?

If this was not in public, who reported her to the police for an incident at home?


very, very fishy.


I have heard too many stories of mothers calling the police on their own children just because they are difficult.


I sincerely hope this was not the case here, but there are a lot of unanswered questions...

this report is quite disturbing, particually as the facts as divulged seem to be too limited to be able to make a reasonable judgement as to the appropriatness of the treatment being complained about,

Just because this child has special needs doesn't mean that she can do no wrong. She could just as easily be a risk or danger to herself or others as any other 11 year old.

Also an 11 year old, particularly with the history with the police that this one has should have been with a parent or other adult. Was she on her own and if so why?
Maybe a family wanting their five minutes of "fame" !

Hard to say who is showing less class, West Sussex police or the commenters on this page..

superliar69 wrote:
Hard to say who is showing less class, West Sussex police or the commenters on this page..

What do you mean exactly?

Er, I think this is more to do with the IPCC wanting to show everyone how busy they are especially, and purely coincidentally of course, when there has been a recent call for loads more resources to be tossed in the direction of, (yes, you've guessed it), the IPCC

Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag
enis.co.uk/index.php
/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

wippasnapper wrote:
Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag

enis.co.uk/index.php

/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

OK, good point but how would this knowledge change the ways they were obliged to use to retrain her? I assume her mother knows all the info on the condition but she still appeared to need the Police help.

Patsyr wrote:
Just because this child has special needs doesn't mean that she can do no wrong. She could just as easily be a risk or danger to herself or others as any other 11 year old.

Also an 11 year old, particularly with the history with the police that this one has should have been with a parent or other adult. Was she on her own and if so why?
Maybe a family wanting their five minutes of "fame" !

Excuse the pun but if you had behavioural problems, delayed speech and language skills problems you would find it had to deal with everyday to day challenges a child with these challenges are nothing like a child that dose not have them so you can’t compeer normal children with a child that has a medical problem of this type.

charlie smirke wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag


enis.co.uk/index.php


/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

OK, good point but how would this knowledge change the ways they were obliged to use to retrain her? I assume her mother knows all the info on the condition but she still appeared to need the Police help.

A child with behavioural problems say like ADHA they can be very violent if challenged or forced into a situation such as being physically restrained it all depends on the physical fours you use to restrain them and seeing’s some police offices use extreme force to restrained normal people its hardly suppressing that these officers have most probably used extreme force upon this child of 11, there are well documented and known ways of dealing with people be they a child or adult with behavioural problems, language skills & delayed speech and language skills problems it may take a little be longer but in the long term the child is being caromed down and not physically forced to react in a manner to with she did.

I wonder if the childs mother is also mentally handicapped and that explains the difficulty in looking after her child, looks that way possibly.

This definitely looks like one of the many problems with "Care in the community" which the disgusting Margaret Thatcher set up. Conservative governments have always been disgraceful in their treatment of the disabled and needy members of society - look at how they are treating them now.

I hope the Conservatives are never, ever voted in again.

There's a new political party NHA - they are promising to save the NHS and to be honest, they look good to me.

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
I wonder if the childs mother is also mentally handicapped and that explains the difficulty in looking after her child, looks that way possibly.

This definitely looks like one of the many problems with "Care in the community" which the disgusting Margaret Thatcher set up. Conservative governments have always been disgraceful in their treatment of the disabled and needy members of society - look at how they are treating them now.

I hope the Conservatives are never, ever voted in again.

There's a new political party NHA - they are promising to save the NHS and to be honest, they look good to me.

"Mentally handicapped"? Is this the 1970s?

wippasnapper wrote:

charlie smirke wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag



enis.co.uk/index.php



/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

OK, good point but how would this knowledge change the ways they were obliged to use to retrain her? I assume her mother knows all the info on the condition but she still appeared to need the Police help.

A child with behavioural problems say like ADHA they can be very violent if challenged or forced into a situation such as being physically restrained it all depends on the physical fours you use to restrain them and seeing’s some police offices use extreme force to restrained normal people its hardly suppressing that these officers have most probably used extreme force upon this child of 11, there are well documented and known ways of dealing with people be they a child or adult with behavioural problems, language skills & delayed speech and language skills problems it may take a little be longer but in the long term the child is being caromed down and not physically forced to react in a manner to with she did.

I assume that as you're making assumptions about the way Sussex Police used force to make these arrests and that 'no one is Sussex Police has any common sense' that we can assume the following about you:

1) You have personal experience of dealing with someone with this condition.

2) You have personal experience on the various techniques used to physically restrain someone.

3) You witnessed each arrest and can confirm that the force used each time was excessive.

Nope, thought not..........

AmboGuy wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:

charlie smirke wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag




enis.co.uk/index.php




/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

OK, good point but how would this knowledge change the ways they were obliged to use to retrain her? I assume her mother knows all the info on the condition but she still appeared to need the Police help.

A child with behavioural problems say like ADHA they can be very violent if challenged or forced into a situation such as being physically restrained it all depends on the physical fours you use to restrain them and seeing’s some police offices use extreme force to restrained normal people its hardly suppressing that these officers have most probably used extreme force upon this child of 11, there are well documented and known ways of dealing with people be they a child or adult with behavioural problems, language skills & delayed speech and language skills problems it may take a little be longer but in the long term the child is being caromed down and not physically forced to react in a manner to with she did.

I assume that as you're making assumptions about the way Sussex Police used force to make these arrests and that 'no one is Sussex Police has any common sense' that we can assume the following about you:

1) You have personal experience of dealing with someone with this condition.

2) You have personal experience on the various techniques used to physically restrain someone.

3) You witnessed each arrest and can confirm that the force used each time was excessive.

Nope, thought not..........

Thanks Am bo bottom,new we could rely on your wealth of knowledge from a patient transfer drivers point of view

worthingite wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:

charlie smirke wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
Being that Sussex police had arrested this child of 11 who also has a medical condition i.e. (SMS) Smith-Magenis syndrome you would have thought somebody with a bit of commonsense would have taken the opportunity to look up “what is SMS” to have a better understanding of the person they where physically restraining with handcuffs and leg restraints but it appears no one in Sussex police has any commonsense because if the had of look it up they would understand far better the person they where arresting…

The major features of Smith-Magenis Syndrome (SMS) include mild to moderate intellectual disability, delayed speech and language skills, distinctive facial features, sleep disturbances, and behavioural problems. http://www.smith-mag





enis.co.uk/index.php





/an-overview-of-sms

Need I say anymore.

OK, good point but how would this knowledge change the ways they were obliged to use to retrain her? I assume her mother knows all the info on the condition but she still appeared to need the Police help.

A child with behavioural problems say like ADHA they can be very violent if challenged or forced into a situation such as being physically restrained it all depends on the physical fours you use to restrain them and seeing’s some police offices use extreme force to restrained normal people its hardly suppressing that these officers have most probably used extreme force upon this child of 11, there are well documented and known ways of dealing with people be they a child or adult with behavioural problems, language skills & delayed speech and language skills problems it may take a little be longer but in the long term the child is being caromed down and not physically forced to react in a manner to with she did.

I assume that as you're making assumptions about the way Sussex Police used force to make these arrests and that 'no one is Sussex Police has any common sense' that we can assume the following about you:

1) You have personal experience of dealing with someone with this condition.

2) You have personal experience on the various techniques used to physically restrain someone.

3) You witnessed each arrest and can confirm that the force used each time was excessive.

Nope, thought not..........

Thanks Am bo bottom,new we could rely on your wealth of knowledge from a patient transfer drivers point of view

Hi Sparky, Thanks for your input. By the way 'knew' is spelt with a K on the front. I thought I told you about posting without having an adult with you to check your spelling for you.

Lucky it wasn't an armed robber.All the police would have been back at the station.
Easy target.
An eleven year old with learning difficulties.

hubby wrote:
Lucky it wasn't an armed robber.All the police would have been back at the station.
Easy target.
An eleven year old with learning difficulties.

Oh dear another armchair expert who clearly knows all the facts pipes up.

As a member of the SMS foundation there are some staggeringly uninformed comments on here.

Anyone comparing this to ADHD needs a reality check! Kids with SMScan trigger violent behaviour with absolutely no warning.

They self harm!

I should know I have a 4 year old daughter with the condition and she is a handful at that stage.

To the uninformed amoung you, try 1 hour with someone with SMS and see how you fair. The mother in question will have done her best, sometimes there really is nothing you can do!