Calls for action over illegal camp in Hove

Residents of nearby Benfield Way, Portslade are angry about the nearby encampment

Residents of nearby Benfield Way, Portslade are angry about the nearby encampment

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An illegal encampment has remained in woodland for more than 18 months – as officials argue over who is responsible for clearing it.

A group of up to a dozen people are currently sleeping rough in the woods in Benfield Valley, off Old Shoreham Road, Hove.

Fed up with the inaction, residents have presented a petition to Brighton and Hove City Council calling for it to take immediate action.

The council and the Highways Agency, which owns the land, blame each other for the inaction.

Simon Browne, of Benfield Way, Portslade, which backs on to the site, said: “The council has been hopeless in doing anything about this.

“It’s been passed from department to department and no one seems to want to take responsibility.”

The Argus understands there are two different camps on the site.

One is made up of about four tents and plastic sheets hung from the trees, with bikes, chairs and beds under the shelter. A joke sign outside says “CCTV in operation”.

No one was there yesterday when The Argus visited but locals claim those living on site are central Europeans who work on a farm near Uckfield.

Neighbours' complaints

Some neighbours have complained about antisocial behaviour and littering on the open space.

The city council said it cannot take action as it is not the landowner. However the Highways Agency said because it formed part of the local road network, enforcement was the local authority’s responsibility.

After months of correspondence, locals said the Highways Agency wrote to the council in December to say “their file is closed”.

A council spokesman said: “We do not accept the Highways Agency’s view, and have repeatedly contacted them to make this point to them.

“We are now exploring legal action through planning enforcement that will hopefully enable us to compel the Highways Agency to acknowledge their responsibilities.”

The Argus: The illegal Neverland encampment in Benfield Valley, Hove

He added the city’s rough sleeper outreach team visits regularly to offer advice and support about accessing services.

Hove MP Mike Weatherley, who has been lobbying for action to be taken for 18 months, said he was disappointed at the length of time it had taken.

Councillor Dawn Barnett, who represents the area to the east of the camp, said: “I would rather they were not there and surprised they have been left there as long as they have. But where are they going to move them to?”

The Highways Agency was not available for comment at the time of going to press.

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1:29pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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1:30pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Indigatio says...

Sanitation must be a major health issue for these and other similar sites. What is done about these issues? Health must fall under the City Council surely.
Sanitation must be a major health issue for these and other similar sites. What is done about these issues? Health must fall under the City Council surely. Indigatio
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1:41pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Joshiman says...

Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de
monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .
Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it . Joshiman
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1:54pm Tue 19 Feb 13

risingphoenix says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people... risingphoenix
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2:01pm Tue 19 Feb 13

clubrob6 says...

You have just got to walk around brighton and hove to see how many people are living on the streets,the official numbers underestimate the problem.Its just about impossible to get social housing and rents pus deposits for private renting are far too high.Walking home from clubbing the other night I seen at least 6 people on benches and in doorways in just a short distance.These people are not all bad,they are down on their luck in a double recession for some drink is their only comfort.I suggest the council leaves this camp alone at least t the weather improves and as a community we should be looking after these homeless people I think the charities in brighton are xpected to do too much .
You have just got to walk around brighton and hove to see how many people are living on the streets,the official numbers underestimate the problem.Its just about impossible to get social housing and rents pus deposits for private renting are far too high.Walking home from clubbing the other night I seen at least 6 people on benches and in doorways in just a short distance.These people are not all bad,they are down on their luck in a double recession for some drink is their only comfort.I suggest the council leaves this camp alone at least t the weather improves and as a community we should be looking after these homeless people I think the charities in brighton are xpected to do too much . clubrob6
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2:23pm Tue 19 Feb 13

dhamallamafarmer says...

Joshiman wrote:
Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de

monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .
Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .[/p][/quote]Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it. dhamallamafarmer
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2:29pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Joshiman says...

I live in the tent.Thanks for the biscuit.
I live in the tent.Thanks for the biscuit. Joshiman
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3:02pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
[quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person? Hoarder12345444
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3:10pm Tue 19 Feb 13

wippasnapper says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
But if these people are illegal imagines and they are not British citizens they want be needing affordable housing as they are only hear to earn money
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]But if these people are illegal imagines and they are not British citizens they want be needing affordable housing as they are only hear to earn money wippasnapper
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3:11pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Joshiman says...

Mike Weatherley and Andrew Wealls are very pro active in Hove and from the feedback I have had from many Hove residents are doing a great job sorting out local issues whenever possible.Unfortunate
ly the problem with the illegal camp cannot be resolved by them alone.It is the Council's resonsibility.
Mike Weatherley and Andrew Wealls are very pro active in Hove and from the feedback I have had from many Hove residents are doing a great job sorting out local issues whenever possible.Unfortunate ly the problem with the illegal camp cannot be resolved by them alone.It is the Council's resonsibility. Joshiman
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3:12pm Tue 19 Feb 13

TreasureIsland says...

So sad that people have to live in tents any time let alone in the winter, where would the residents of Benfield like them to move to come up with some ideas that are workable or shut up
So sad that people have to live in tents any time let alone in the winter, where would the residents of Benfield like them to move to come up with some ideas that are workable or shut up TreasureIsland
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3:30pm Tue 19 Feb 13

wippasnapper says...

“Passed from department to department and want to take responsibility.”

Are the GREEN councilors who clamed its not there problem, well who problem is it then! You bunch of unless snotty nosed two faced utter waist of space GREEN COUNCILORS!

If these green councilors art ripping up our roads or killing the fish in our ponds they are supporting those that should not be there, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this council have known about there’s illegal aliens from the start and intend on keeping them there for as long as they can or maybe someone could give these illegal tenters directions to Patcham where Jason Kitkat lives I’m shore he would have them moved on swiftly without any delay.
“Passed from department to department and want to take responsibility.” Are the GREEN councilors who clamed its not there problem, well who problem is it then! You bunch of unless snotty nosed two faced utter waist of space GREEN COUNCILORS! If these green councilors art ripping up our roads or killing the fish in our ponds they are supporting those that should not be there, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if this council have known about there’s illegal aliens from the start and intend on keeping them there for as long as they can or maybe someone could give these illegal tenters directions to Patcham where Jason Kitkat lives I’m shore he would have them moved on swiftly without any delay. wippasnapper
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3:39pm Tue 19 Feb 13

wippasnapper says...

dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de


monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .
Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it.
Pardon the pun but if these are Europeans over here to work i.e. earn money they should be able to find accommodation like if we went aboard to work we would not be allowed to pitch up a tent anywhere we chose, the affordable homes you talk about are for the people of Brighton and Hove not illegal Europeans over here to work.
[quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .[/p][/quote]Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it.[/p][/quote]Pardon the pun but if these are Europeans over here to work i.e. earn money they should be able to find accommodation like if we went aboard to work we would not be allowed to pitch up a tent anywhere we chose, the affordable homes you talk about are for the people of Brighton and Hove not illegal Europeans over here to work. wippasnapper
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4:55pm Tue 19 Feb 13

jeremy radvan says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
"A very working class upbringing" What on earth is that? Did you have to wear an especially large cloth cap?
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]"A very working class upbringing" What on earth is that? Did you have to wear an especially large cloth cap? jeremy radvan
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4:56pm Tue 19 Feb 13

dhamallamafarmer says...

wippasnapper wrote:
dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Joshiman wrote:
Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de



monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .
Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it.
Pardon the pun but if these are Europeans over here to work i.e. earn money they should be able to find accommodation like if we went aboard to work we would not be allowed to pitch up a tent anywhere we chose, the affordable homes you talk about are for the people of Brighton and Hove not illegal Europeans over here to work.
If they're European then they're not illegal. But you're right, we wouldn't put up with traipsing across Europe to do a shiddy job without accomodation thrown in or being able to afford it. But then we're not naive farm labourers promised , rather like Dick Whittington, all the joys that the west has to offer then finding that we're barely paid enough to live on (see minimum wage Vs living wage). It mystifies me that you think these people live in bivuacs in winter by their own volition and you don't think they might have been tricked or even trafficked over here. I'm not saying they are necessarily in this situation but I think it equally as likely as your assessment of 'illegal Europeans'. shame no-one was at home to ask when the reporters pitched up. The downside of 100% employment I suppose...
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Greenies are not going to do anything about this,they support tenters/tree huggers/squatters/de monstrators/campers etc So as Jimmy says get used to it .[/p][/quote]Right on Joshiman! Except Hove is a tory ward under Weatherley, not the Greens. Weatherley made squatting derelict housing illegal so these people have to sleep out in encampments rather than using otherwise empty buildings. And they're not protesting, they're just camping there in lieu of having real affordable housing available. I doubt they're tree huggers either, that being the case. If they are working for a local farm it shows how underpaid they are if they have to sleep under plastic awnings in this weather. Plus they're doing it right out of the way so they don't disturb your beautiful view of the city but other than those minor points Joshiman, you're right on in your astute assessment of the situation. Well done, treat yourself to a biscuit, you've earned it.[/p][/quote]Pardon the pun but if these are Europeans over here to work i.e. earn money they should be able to find accommodation like if we went aboard to work we would not be allowed to pitch up a tent anywhere we chose, the affordable homes you talk about are for the people of Brighton and Hove not illegal Europeans over here to work.[/p][/quote]If they're European then they're not illegal. But you're right, we wouldn't put up with traipsing across Europe to do a shiddy job without accomodation thrown in or being able to afford it. But then we're not naive farm labourers promised , rather like Dick Whittington, all the joys that the west has to offer then finding that we're barely paid enough to live on (see minimum wage Vs living wage). It mystifies me that you think these people live in bivuacs in winter by their own volition and you don't think they might have been tricked or even trafficked over here. I'm not saying they are necessarily in this situation but I think it equally as likely as your assessment of 'illegal Europeans'. shame no-one was at home to ask when the reporters pitched up. The downside of 100% employment I suppose... dhamallamafarmer
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5:02pm Tue 19 Feb 13

dhamallamafarmer says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist. dhamallamafarmer
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5:03pm Tue 19 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Their employers should be providing accommodation - they are probably being paid well below the minimum wage. It distresses me to see people being exploited like this.

And as for the 'I'm alright, Jack' comment from Hoarder - well bully for you. I doubt you left your country of origin in the search for a better life, only to find yourself living in a tent and unable to return due to being paid a pittance.
Their employers should be providing accommodation - they are probably being paid well below the minimum wage. It distresses me to see people being exploited like this. And as for the 'I'm alright, Jack' comment from Hoarder - well bully for you. I doubt you left your country of origin in the search for a better life, only to find yourself living in a tent and unable to return due to being paid a pittance. thevoiceoftruth
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5:03pm Tue 19 Feb 13

nosolution says...

Surely the farms where these people work should take responsibilty for housing them.It is not good enough for someone to say they want to put down 100acres of lettuce which are very labour intensive,pay a minimum wage then expect the local authority/residents to pick up the housing tab.Wages have not kept pace with living costs leading to cheap foreign labour ...
Surely the farms where these people work should take responsibilty for housing them.It is not good enough for someone to say they want to put down 100acres of lettuce which are very labour intensive,pay a minimum wage then expect the local authority/residents to pick up the housing tab.Wages have not kept pace with living costs leading to cheap foreign labour ... nosolution
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5:22pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Sussex jim says...

I agree with Hoarder. And the more I hear about squatters and other freeloaders, the more I feel I should let friends and relatives move into caravans in my garden rather than struggle to pay a mortgage.
Of course, the council would soon come down on me like a ton of bricks with enforcement notices, etc.
I agree with Hoarder. And the more I hear about squatters and other freeloaders, the more I feel I should let friends and relatives move into caravans in my garden rather than struggle to pay a mortgage. Of course, the council would soon come down on me like a ton of bricks with enforcement notices, etc. Sussex jim
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5:45pm Tue 19 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Sussex jim wrote:
I agree with Hoarder. And the more I hear about squatters and other freeloaders, the more I feel I should let friends and relatives move into caravans in my garden rather than struggle to pay a mortgage.
Of course, the council would soon come down on me like a ton of bricks with enforcement notices, etc.
Life is just black and white to you isn't it, Jim?
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: I agree with Hoarder. And the more I hear about squatters and other freeloaders, the more I feel I should let friends and relatives move into caravans in my garden rather than struggle to pay a mortgage. Of course, the council would soon come down on me like a ton of bricks with enforcement notices, etc.[/p][/quote]Life is just black and white to you isn't it, Jim? thevoiceoftruth
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6:38pm Tue 19 Feb 13

true-brightonian says...

Hurrah for these entrepreneurial go-getters. They are making great use of useless greenbelt land, helping the economy grow with low-paid labour. We should do even more to free up our green spaces for low-paid workers. This would be cheaper than the loony green policy of using expensive shipping containers. I shall write to Mr. Weatherley about this.
Hurrah for these entrepreneurial go-getters. They are making great use of useless greenbelt land, helping the economy grow with low-paid labour. We should do even more to free up our green spaces for low-paid workers. This would be cheaper than the loony green policy of using expensive shipping containers. I shall write to Mr. Weatherley about this. true-brightonian
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6:45pm Tue 19 Feb 13

alyn, southwick says...

What is the nature of anti-social behaviour (apart from just visual impact)?

Where in the story does it say the "campers" are farm workers, or immigrants illegal or otherwise (including from Eastern European countries)?

Genuine queries (so I can properly know which said to argue on).
What is the nature of anti-social behaviour (apart from just visual impact)? Where in the story does it say the "campers" are farm workers, or immigrants illegal or otherwise (including from Eastern European countries)? Genuine queries (so I can properly know which said to argue on). alyn, southwick
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6:54pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all.

No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.
[quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.[/p][/quote]I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all. No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices. Hoarder12345444
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6:56pm Tue 19 Feb 13

PorkBoat says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
I wouldn't call you cold and callous. I'd just say you are a pig ignorant ****.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't call you cold and callous. I'd just say you are a pig ignorant ****. PorkBoat
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7:06pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Fight_Back says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Given you have a mortgage, how long could you survive if you lost your job ? I'd guess, like most people, not long.

No job is currently secure but given your complete lack of sympathy I hope that you lose your job and then your home. Bet you'd be moaning then ( and expecting help ).
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Given you have a mortgage, how long could you survive if you lost your job ? I'd guess, like most people, not long. No job is currently secure but given your complete lack of sympathy I hope that you lose your job and then your home. Bet you'd be moaning then ( and expecting help ). Fight_Back
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7:10pm Tue 19 Feb 13

gingerman74 says...

dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
hope your sensible choices dont go wrong like so many others in the country....many people lose jobs and homes through no fault of their own, divorce,health to name a couple...you must be very proud that you have the perfect little life
[quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.[/p][/quote]hope your sensible choices dont go wrong like so many others in the country....many people lose jobs and homes through no fault of their own, divorce,health to name a couple...you must be very proud that you have the perfect little life gingerman74
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8:04pm Tue 19 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all.

No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.
I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on.

Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you?
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.[/p][/quote]I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all. No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on. Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you? thevoiceoftruth
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8:16pm Tue 19 Feb 13

alyn, southwick says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all.

No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.
I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on.

Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you?
was it in the paper edition "the story states these people are working as labourers"
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.[/p][/quote]I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all. No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on. Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you?[/p][/quote]was it in the paper edition [bold] "the story states these people are working as labourers"[/bold] alyn, southwick
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9:09pm Tue 19 Feb 13

thommy says...

I actually feel physically ill when i have to read the garbage spouted by leftie hand wringers. The level of derangement is immeasurable. Probably public sector workers, where there is never any accountability or ownership of cost. The mantra is always that we must not disadvantage anyone. Let the entire world plug into our infrastructure although not sure where the money is coming from.
I actually feel physically ill when i have to read the garbage spouted by leftie hand wringers. The level of derangement is immeasurable. Probably public sector workers, where there is never any accountability or ownership of cost. The mantra is always that we must not disadvantage anyone. Let the entire world plug into our infrastructure although not sure where the money is coming from. thommy
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11:31pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Dave At Home says...

Ask any Brighton Councillor where Portslade is and they don't know, ask any Hove Councillor and tend to forget where it is. No one is interested in Portslade and evidence of that is clear to see all around Portslade, just ask any local.... and this encampment (and the other 2 in the same area) will be pushed from pillar to post until the cows come home. NO BODY is interested.
Ask any Brighton Councillor where Portslade is and they don't know, ask any Hove Councillor and tend to forget where it is. No one is interested in Portslade and evidence of that is clear to see all around Portslade, just ask any local.... and this encampment (and the other 2 in the same area) will be pushed from pillar to post until the cows come home. NO BODY is interested. Dave At Home
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11:31pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Brighton Visitor says...

Why do I get the feeling that Hoarder has a nose made of toffee.
Why do I get the feeling that Hoarder has a nose made of toffee. Brighton Visitor
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8:16am Wed 20 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

alyn, southwick wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
dhamallamafarmer wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.
I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all.

No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.
I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on.

Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you?
was it in the paper edition "the story states these people are working as labourers"
Alyn, it says in the story above "No one was there yesterday when The Argus visited but locals claim those living on site are central Europeans who work on a farm near Uckfield."
[quote][p][bold]alyn, southwick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dhamallamafarmer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Did you pay for your education or get a grant? And when you need NHS treatment do you keep track of how much has been spent compared to how much you've paid in through your NI contributions? When they're equitable will you call a halt to your treatment because you haven't paid for anything extra? No, of course not. You're simply an example of the 'I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up behind' mentality that makes ConDem Britain an inhumane place to exist.[/p][/quote]I went to a state comprehensive in Brighton and sixth form too and started full time work at 18 on a YTS scheme. Worked hard all my life. I don't have much and am not rich at all. No I'm not for the I'm alright jack mentality. However the whole argument of there is no affordable housing well down south there isn't it is expensive and my point was if you work hard and have a sensible life the chance is you will be able to afford a house or flat to live in. Or else move up north where its vastly cheaper. Life is full of choices.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing your parents supported you through your YTS scheme - after all, you couldn't afford to pay market rent, right? Not everyone has families they can rely on. Telling people to move up north is a bit ridiculous - there are even less jobs to chose from. Anyway, the story states these people are working as labourers - is that not hard enough work for you?[/p][/quote]was it in the paper edition [bold] "the story states these people are working as labourers"[/bold][/p][/quote]Alyn, it says in the story above "No one was there yesterday when The Argus visited but locals claim those living on site are central Europeans who work on a farm near Uckfield." thevoiceoftruth
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9:12am Wed 20 Feb 13

straightasadye says...

My advice is residents should start building on the site - they will then soon find out who the landowner is.
And a word of advice for Cllr Barnett who asks" but where can these campers be moved to?" Easy! The grounds of the Royal Pavillion, bags of room there.
My advice is residents should start building on the site - they will then soon find out who the landowner is. And a word of advice for Cllr Barnett who asks" but where can these campers be moved to?" Easy! The grounds of the Royal Pavillion, bags of room there. straightasadye
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9:44am Wed 20 Feb 13

AlanPare says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Aren't you clever? Well done. Have a biscuit.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Aren't you clever? Well done. Have a biscuit. AlanPare
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10:07am Wed 20 Feb 13

Fairfax Sakes says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Why? Becasue shut the f*ck up, thats why.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Why? Becasue shut the f*ck up, thats why. Fairfax Sakes
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11:41am Wed 20 Feb 13

leobrighton says...

Why not just go in with a bulldozer in the night that will soon get rid of them. They are all camping illegally so arrest them and get them deported. Doing nothing will only mean these camps will spring up everywhere. Too soft in this country and its being wrecked.
Why not just go in with a bulldozer in the night that will soon get rid of them. They are all camping illegally so arrest them and get them deported. Doing nothing will only mean these camps will spring up everywhere. Too soft in this country and its being wrecked. leobrighton
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4:41pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

AlanPare wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.
Exactly...

Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...
Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?
Aren't you clever? Well done. Have a biscuit.
Like most people on here you give no proper reasoning or logic for my sound arguments. I either have got mindless abuse or just the typical same old rhetoric from "left wing do gooders". If you feel that strongly about them, go and offer them a room in your house. No?? Thought not. All the do gooders speak of doing good and soon as someone speaks their mind and mentions the raw facts I am in the wrong and suddenly they are all holier than thou.


So the facts are that these are europeans who work as labourors. Ok then.And they are camped illegally, just like the squatters who cheat and steal. Law abiding, hard working citizens have to put up with it? Well I am sorry I won't.



The people I feel sorry for are the hard up families who struggle every day, working hard to feed their families and heat their homes.They I feel sorry for. They have worked hard in their lives and they get hardly any help from the governemnt. When will David Cameron visit a Food Bank?
[quote][p][bold]AlanPare[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Get used to it, these camp will become more and more common as the pressure on the affordable housing stock grows.[/p][/quote]Exactly... Not that weatherly gives a monkeys, since he wishes to spearhead the nasty party's policy of discarding their idea of society's worthless people...[/p][/quote]Oh the same old poor arguments. Oh it's too pricey to rent, well study and get a good job then. I pay a mortgage and bills so why cant the next person? I'm sorry but I dont have sympathy for these people. I have studied worked hard and not taken drugs and led a balanced life. So why cant the next person? Oh I have to feel sympathetic to someone who is on the street? Why? It's a tough old world out there. I had a very working class upbringing. I worked hard and got a job and grafted. And I have my own place. I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy for people that squat or live like this. In my view you are either there by choice, you made some very stupid mistakes in life, you are a drug addict or you just like living in tents. End of story. Call me cold and callous. I don't care. I know I got where I am with hard graft and grit and made sensible choices in my life. So why cant the next person?[/p][/quote]Aren't you clever? Well done. Have a biscuit.[/p][/quote]Like most people on here you give no proper reasoning or logic for my sound arguments. I either have got mindless abuse or just the typical same old rhetoric from "left wing do gooders". If you feel that strongly about them, go and offer them a room in your house. No?? Thought not. All the do gooders speak of doing good and soon as someone speaks their mind and mentions the raw facts I am in the wrong and suddenly they are all holier than thou. So the facts are that these are europeans who work as labourors. Ok then.And they are camped illegally, just like the squatters who cheat and steal. Law abiding, hard working citizens have to put up with it? Well I am sorry I won't. The people I feel sorry for are the hard up families who struggle every day, working hard to feed their families and heat their homes.They I feel sorry for. They have worked hard in their lives and they get hardly any help from the governemnt. When will David Cameron visit a Food Bank? Hoarder12345444
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4:53pm Wed 20 Feb 13

MIDNIGHT COWBOY says...

Some of the smug, selfish people on here with their narrow minded comments are so ego driven. It's all me, me, me.
Some of the smug, selfish people on here with their narrow minded comments are so ego driven. It's all me, me, me. MIDNIGHT COWBOY
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