New Brighton and Hove allotment plots are hacked in half (From The Argus)

Lots of paths and less growing space.

hmmm,
can one really increase the chance of potential?
or is the council making five rods for its own back?

For goodness sake the greens know more about allotments than those who set them up to feed families. It isn't that the country has just had its ecomomic rating cut, the pound is weak against the euro and so imports of food are more expensive. Do we have a problem with unemployment?

george smith wrote:
For goodness sake the greens know more about allotments than those who set them up to feed families. It isn't that the country has just had its ecomomic rating cut, the pound is weak against the euro and so imports of food are more expensive. Do we have a problem with unemployment?

This is a policy that predates the Green Council. You obviously don't know much about allotments.

souns like a sensible solution to reducing the waiting list and the arguments against including plot holders and their children being at increased risk of being run over is rather weak.

Of course it's a good idea. There are more people wanting allotments than there are allotments.. So the simple solution is to cut allotments in half, thereby giving double the number of people the chance to have one, albeit half the size. Better than nothing, I would think!
It's only people who are about to have to lose half their space that are complaining, as you might expect!

If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

not news been going on for a few years now

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

its all a question of economics. Its all tinkering. Why would anyone try to be self sufficent in potatoes or onions say? There is no way you could grow them more cheaply than they are available at the moment in the supermarket. So growing these staples is just tinkering whether you grow a small patch or alarge patch at the moment. No doubt there will come a time when it is again economic to grow your own, but really the only point in growing these things for yourself is the satisfaction value and the possibility that they are more nutritious.. unlikely on the chalk of the Downs. In the meantime I will carry on tinkering.. growing my peas despite the fact that a pack of frozen ones is the more rational harvest. and enjoying my little garden.

That's not true Surely Not! if you are producing organic veg and all year produce it can pay off, but most new comers don't.
They stick a few rasberry canes in which spread and then some flowers and that's it. They have a go in the first season by buying seed potatoes and expensive seeds and all sorts of fancy kit, raised beds, bark chips etc
If you see the old folk or those who really are trying to keep families with produce it's an all weather/all year battle.
It's also about producing crops which you can store and freeze ie potatoes, root veg, and fruits, broad beans etc.
Growing a lettuce or tomatoes are space heavy, they don't store and use vast amounts of water.
However, the sage green/blue shed brigades turn up with the kids do two seasons and then leave when they realise that growing veg takes a huge amount of time/commitment and dedication, not a one sunny Sunday in May and June with bored kids whining to go home.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
That's not true Surely Not! if you are producing organic veg and all year produce it can pay off, but most new comers don't.
They stick a few rasberry canes in which spread and then some flowers and that's it. They have a go in the first season by buying seed potatoes and expensive seeds and all sorts of fancy kit, raised beds, bark chips etc
If you see the old folk or those who really are trying to keep families with produce it's an all weather/all year battle.
It's also about producing crops which you can store and freeze ie potatoes, root veg, and fruits, broad beans etc.
Growing a lettuce or tomatoes are space heavy, they don't store and use vast amounts of water.
However, the sage green/blue shed brigades turn up with the kids do two seasons and then leave when they realise that growing veg takes a huge amount of time/commitment and dedication, not a one sunny Sunday in May and June with bored kids whining to go home.

well if you would otherwise do all your veg shopping in the organic aisle of Waitrose you may be right. You are also assuming people live in houses where they have the space to store and freeze, or even the time. Of course some people are going to turn up and give up. Some are going to treat it like they treat any other fad they have and think its all about the kit you can buy. and of course it may take several years to learn the skills and tricksneeded and some may give up before they do. So what? Its life. Certainly attempting to cultivate a layer of dust on a windswept chalk hill is not everyones idea of a productive and rewarding expenditure of time and money.

The year before they doubled the price of allotments now they per-pose to hath the size of the allotments from ten rods to five rods will this mean a reduction in the cost of the plot… and it comes as no surprise that now this Green run council want to reduce the size as most people cannot afford the outrageous cost of a ten rod allotment!... I for one will be glad to see the back of this Green run council thieve dun nothing good with this city all they have dun is to upset and destroy the community spirit it once had… the only thing GREEN in this green run council is the green MONEY IN THERE POCKETS and the more they can squeeze out of good honest people trying to survive.

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

its all a question of economics. Its all tinkering. Why would anyone try to be self sufficent in potatoes or onions say? There is no way you could grow them more cheaply than they are available at the moment in the supermarket. So growing these staples is just tinkering whether you grow a small patch or alarge patch at the moment. No doubt there will come a time when it is again economic to grow your own, but really the only point in growing these things for yourself is the satisfaction value and the possibility that they are more nutritious.. unlikely on the chalk of the Downs. In the meantime I will carry on tinkering.. growing my peas despite the fact that a pack of frozen ones is the more rational harvest. and enjoying my little garden.

Pardon have you ever had an allotment? Fact that you grow from seed to a fully grown fledgling crop and from that small packet of seed you can supply not only your own family but friends and relatives means they are cheaper than they are in the supermarket plus with the added bones of knowing what if any chemicals where used and secondly fresher than you will ever get from any supermarket so they for far more healthy for you. So stop talking out of you ****.

wippasnapper wrote:
The year before they doubled the price of allotments now they per-pose to hath the size of the allotments from ten rods to five rods will this mean a reduction in the cost of the plot… and it comes as no surprise that now this Green run council want to reduce the size as most people cannot afford the outrageous cost of a ten rod allotment!... I for one will be glad to see the back of this Green run council thieve dun nothing good with this city all they have dun is to upset and destroy the community spirit it once had… the only thing GREEN in this green run council is the green MONEY IN THERE POCKETS and the more they can squeeze out of good honest people trying to survive.

Nonsense. Really you are absurd! Get some backbone man.

wippasnapper wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

its all a question of economics. Its all tinkering. Why would anyone try to be self sufficent in potatoes or onions say? There is no way you could grow them more cheaply than they are available at the moment in the supermarket. So growing these staples is just tinkering whether you grow a small patch or alarge patch at the moment. No doubt there will come a time when it is again economic to grow your own, but really the only point in growing these things for yourself is the satisfaction value and the possibility that they are more nutritious.. unlikely on the chalk of the Downs. In the meantime I will carry on tinkering.. growing my peas despite the fact that a pack of frozen ones is the more rational harvest. and enjoying my little garden.

Pardon have you ever had an allotment? Fact that you grow from seed to a fully grown fledgling crop and from that small packet of seed you can supply not only your own family but friends and relatives means they are cheaper than they are in the supermarket plus with the added bones of knowing what if any chemicals where used and secondly fresher than you will ever get from any supermarket so they for far more healthy for you. So stop talking out of you ****.

I have been cultivating that large plot of thin dust on a windswept hill for well over a decade now. You are obviously a charming chap...I look forward to seeing you there.

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
That's not true Surely Not! if you are producing organic veg and all year produce it can pay off, but most new comers don't.
They stick a few rasberry canes in which spread and then some flowers and that's it. They have a go in the first season by buying seed potatoes and expensive seeds and all sorts of fancy kit, raised beds, bark chips etc
If you see the old folk or those who really are trying to keep families with produce it's an all weather/all year battle.
It's also about producing crops which you can store and freeze ie potatoes, root veg, and fruits, broad beans etc.
Growing a lettuce or tomatoes are space heavy, they don't store and use vast amounts of water.
However, the sage green/blue shed brigades turn up with the kids do two seasons and then leave when they realise that growing veg takes a huge amount of time/commitment and dedication, not a one sunny Sunday in May and June with bored kids whining to go home.

well if you would otherwise do all your veg shopping in the organic aisle of Waitrose you may be right. You are also assuming people live in houses where they have the space to store and freeze, or even the time. Of course some people are going to turn up and give up. Some are going to treat it like they treat any other fad they have and think its all about the kit you can buy. and of course it may take several years to learn the skills and tricksneeded and some may give up before they do. So what? Its life. Certainly attempting to cultivate a layer of dust on a windswept chalk hill is not everyones idea of a productive and rewarding expenditure of time and money.

“Space to store and freeze” one your allotment isn’t just a place to grow your own you can also store most root crops that’s if you know how to… secondly people who do have allotment do give up a lot of there time to grow there veg its not everyone’s cup of tea like with most things that take up a lot of your spear time but in saying that once you have planted your crops it really dose not mean you have to give up a lot of time tending to them and “cultivate a layer of dust on a windswept chalk hill” not all allotments are on chalk hills some do infect have very good soil NOT dust and with any type of gardening you cultivate… you have no clue to what you are talking about you are best to stick to what you do know witch to be quite honest isn’t much.

wippasnapper wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
That's not true Surely Not! if you are producing organic veg and all year produce it can pay off, but most new comers don't.
They stick a few rasberry canes in which spread and then some flowers and that's it. They have a go in the first season by buying seed potatoes and expensive seeds and all sorts of fancy kit, raised beds, bark chips etc
If you see the old folk or those who really are trying to keep families with produce it's an all weather/all year battle.
It's also about producing crops which you can store and freeze ie potatoes, root veg, and fruits, broad beans etc.
Growing a lettuce or tomatoes are space heavy, they don't store and use vast amounts of water.
However, the sage green/blue shed brigades turn up with the kids do two seasons and then leave when they realise that growing veg takes a huge amount of time/commitment and dedication, not a one sunny Sunday in May and June with bored kids whining to go home.

well if you would otherwise do all your veg shopping in the organic aisle of Waitrose you may be right. You are also assuming people live in houses where they have the space to store and freeze, or even the time. Of course some people are going to turn up and give up. Some are going to treat it like they treat any other fad they have and think its all about the kit you can buy. and of course it may take several years to learn the skills and tricksneeded and some may give up before they do. So what? Its life. Certainly attempting to cultivate a layer of dust on a windswept chalk hill is not everyones idea of a productive and rewarding expenditure of time and money.

“Space to store and freeze” one your allotment isn’t just a place to grow your own you can also store most root crops that’s if you know how to… secondly people who do have allotment do give up a lot of there time to grow there veg its not everyone’s cup of tea like with most things that take up a lot of your spear time but in saying that once you have planted your crops it really dose not mean you have to give up a lot of time tending to them and “cultivate a layer of dust on a windswept chalk hill” not all allotments are on chalk hills some do infect have very good soil NOT dust and with any type of gardening you cultivate… you have no clue to what you are talking about you are best to stick to what you do know witch to be quite honest isn’t much.

Did I only say charming? I forgot to add courteous and thoughtful.

Surely not! wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:
The year before they doubled the price of allotments now they per-pose to hath the size of the allotments from ten rods to five rods will this mean a reduction in the cost of the plot… and it comes as no surprise that now this Green run council want to reduce the size as most people cannot afford the outrageous cost of a ten rod allotment!... I for one will be glad to see the back of this Green run council thieve dun nothing good with this city all they have dun is to upset and destroy the community spirit it once had… the only thing GREEN in this green run council is the green MONEY IN THERE POCKETS and the more they can squeeze out of good honest people trying to survive.

Nonsense. Really you are absurd! Get some backbone man.

Really you surprise me with your meaningless comment but if that’s all you good at well your no better than the Green Councilors that are totally useless at running this city!

Surely not! wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

its all a question of economics. Its all tinkering. Why would anyone try to be self sufficent in potatoes or onions say? There is no way you could grow them more cheaply than they are available at the moment in the supermarket. So growing these staples is just tinkering whether you grow a small patch or alarge patch at the moment. No doubt there will come a time when it is again economic to grow your own, but really the only point in growing these things for yourself is the satisfaction value and the possibility that they are more nutritious.. unlikely on the chalk of the Downs. In the meantime I will carry on tinkering.. growing my peas despite the fact that a pack of frozen ones is the more rational harvest. and enjoying my little garden.

Pardon have you ever had an allotment? Fact that you grow from seed to a fully grown fledgling crop and from that small packet of seed you can supply not only your own family but friends and relatives means they are cheaper than they are in the supermarket plus with the added bones of knowing what if any chemicals where used and secondly fresher than you will ever get from any supermarket so they for far more healthy for you. So stop talking out of you ****.

I have been cultivating that large plot of thin dust on a windswept hill for well over a decade now. You are obviously a charming chap...I look forward to seeing you there.

Well you better dig a big hull you may have a long wait

It's clearly easier to elect nuts than to grow them.

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Of course it's a good idea. There are more people wanting allotments than there are allotments.. So the simple solution is to cut allotments in half, thereby giving double the number of people the chance to have one, albeit half the size. Better than nothing, I would think!
It's only people who are about to have to lose half their space that are complaining, as you might expect!

The people who have full ten rod plots are not about to lose half there plot its only vacant ten rod plots that are being chopped in half !

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Of course it's a good idea. There are more people wanting allotments than there are allotments.. So the simple solution is to cut allotments in half, thereby giving double the number of people the chance to have one, albeit half the size. Better than nothing, I would think!
It's only people who are about to have to lose half their space that are complaining, as you might expect!

The people who have full ten rod plots are not about to lose half there plot its only vacant ten rod plots that are being chopped in half !

B G Gruff wrote:
souns like a sensible solution to reducing the waiting list and the arguments against including plot holders and their children being at increased risk of being run over is rather weak.

BG I do so hope nothing like that ever happens, but when you see the amount of children roaming about unsupervised on sites and the increase in cars an vans there is an risk that it could happen !

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I just seen a letter that has been sent to the Council;

"While lately allotments have become more of a leisure pursuit for certain sections of society, they were originally created for those on lower incomes and the unemployed and retired. These people have been the traditional users of allotments and they use their allotments to supplement the diets of themselves and their families with allotment grown food. This section of our society have a greater need for allotments, they have more free time to tend their plots, and they require more space to do this productively. We are aware of current plot holders who have been restricted to a half plot, who need more land to produce the amount of food they require, and we believe they are being restricted in order to supply leisure plots to those who allotments were less intended for. While we also support the right of anyone to an allotment, we feel that this should not be at the expense of those with enough time and need to cultivate a full plot of 10 rods as has been the case for over 100 years."

We are lucky enough to have a full plot. We are still eating what we grew last year. We could never do that if we had a half plot.
New carrots peas and potatoes today very nice. With the price of vegetables we need to grow our own and freeze. Allotments are for growing food not for swings and roundabouts this is a serious business. So come on Council start giving out full plots to those that will use them for growing

Buy a garden, simple

wippasnapper wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

wippasnapper wrote:

Surely not! wrote:

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
If the council want people to have allotments to tinker at growing produce then fine, but for those who want to grow to provide for a family the new plot size is unrealistic. The rental charge also means the cost of having a plot costs more than the veg produced, hence the number of plots being turned into little gardens instead of veg plots.

its all a question of economics. Its all tinkering. Why would anyone try to be self sufficent in potatoes or onions say? There is no way you could grow them more cheaply than they are available at the moment in the supermarket. So growing these staples is just tinkering whether you grow a small patch or alarge patch at the moment. No doubt there will come a time when it is again economic to grow your own, but really the only point in growing these things for yourself is the satisfaction value and the possibility that they are more nutritious.. unlikely on the chalk of the Downs. In the meantime I will carry on tinkering.. growing my peas despite the fact that a pack of frozen ones is the more rational harvest. and enjoying my little garden.

Pardon have you ever had an allotment? Fact that you grow from seed to a fully grown fledgling crop and from that small packet of seed you can supply not only your own family but friends and relatives means they are cheaper than they are in the supermarket plus with the added bones of knowing what if any chemicals where used and secondly fresher than you will ever get from any supermarket so they for far more healthy for you. So stop talking out of you ****.

I have been cultivating that large plot of thin dust on a windswept hill for well over a decade now. You are obviously a charming chap...I look forward to seeing you there.

Well you better dig a big hull you may have a long wait

"Yu wall niver be tekan sirously "....Untill you learn to spell...Or just use your spell checker!!

Sounds OK to me.......

anyone who thinks this is ok doesnt understand the situation. We are about to lose the right that the poorest people in our society have, of supplementing their diets and feeding themselves quality food . This is a right that has existed for over 200 years and was formally made law in the 1908 Smallholdings and Allotments Act. Eric Pickles the Tory Communities secretary tried to scrap this right in 2011 but suffered massive backlash and backed off. Now Councils up and down the country are doing all they can to find loopholes so they can avoid supplying sufficient allotments.. this tactic of chopping all the plots in half makes a mockery of the law. If only people realised what we are about to lose !!