Sussex families on the brink of poverty

Sussex Parliamentary constituencies showing the percentage of children living in poverty

Sussex Parliamentary constituencies showing the percentage of children living in poverty

First published in News

One in four children in Brighton and Hove live in poverty, shocking new statistics reveal. Dulcie Lee reveals how an extra 8,000 children in Sussex fell into poverty last year and how the figures look set to grow

Families are going hungry as an extra 8,000 children in Sussex have been plunged into poverty during the past year.

Figures released this week show an overall increase across the county, with more than 11,000 impoverished children in Brighton and Hove alone.

Across the county, the figure now stands at 58,000.

The children’s charity that conducted the report warned millions of children’s lives could be “blighted by the corrosive impact of poverty” if the government doesn’t change course.

Charities told The Argus that poor families were increasingly reliant on food handouts.

The only warm meal some children get each day is lunch at school.

The economic downturn, stunted jobs market and biting welfare cuts are all blamed for the worsening situation, politicians and experts said.

The report, published by the Campaign to End Child Poverty (CECP), has also revealed a growing gap between the rich and the poor.

The Argus: Children in poverty

In Brighton and Hove, Moulsecoomb and Bevendean remain worst affected, with 1,602 youngsters in poverty – 44% of the children in the ward.

By contrast, Hove Park and Withdean have only one in ten children in poverty, although the number has risen 4% since last year.

If a two-child family earns less than £18,300 a year, or a household with one child makes below £11,300, then the children are considered to be living in poverty.

This figure is calculated based on the national median wage for a household.

Poverty pledge

Simon Kirby, MP for Kemptown, which covers Moulsecoomb and Bevendean, said: “Child poverty is one of the biggest problems we face.”

He added: “I spend a lot of time speaking with my constituents in Moulsecoomb and Whitehawk about the concerns that they have over issues like employment and education.

“I want to assure my constituents that I will be working hard ... to eradicate child poverty by 2020.”

Almost one in four youngsters in Brighton and Hove are now in poverty, giving a total of 11,278 children – 1,000 more than last year.

Food donations

Brighton and Hove City Mission is a charity that provides food parcels and fuel aid to struggling families. It relies on organisation FareShare and food donations from churches, schools and local supermarkets to help families.

Despite an increase in donations, Tony Smith, coordinator of the mission, said they are still struggling to keep up with demand.

He said: “There has been a distinctive increase in families that have been referred to us. We’re working to full capacity.

“It could be a week or a couple of weeks before we can see families in need. We’re looking at setting up another food bank in another part of the city to cope with demand.

“We’ve only got a limited budget on fuel aid. Families have to decide whether they feed the kids or whether they have the heating on. It’s quite a major issue.”

Employment issue

When asked about the future of child poverty and how families can break the cycle, he said: “Obviously employment is an issue and we need to be doing as much as we can to encourage people to get back into employment. Poverty is going to get worse.”

Anne Bickmore runs the ABC Children’s Fund, a charity which takes disadvantaged children from Brighton and Hove out on day trips and provides them with treats.

She said the problem of child poverty in the city had been getting “steadily worse” in recent years.

She said: “People don’t appreciate how bad things are. At Christmas we made 87 hampers for families in poverty, but it wasn’t nearly enough. Many of the children had absolutely nothing.

“A lot of the mums were in tears when we gave them their hampers on the doorstep because they were so desperate.”

One hot meal

Mrs Bickmore said many children can only look forward to one hot meal a day – their school dinner. She said: “They are just surviving on whatever the parents can scratch together.

“But part of the problem is that many parents simply don’t cook for their kids, either because they don’t know how to or because they don’t have the facilities. It’s terrible.”

The Department for Work and Pensions has admitted that the picture appears better than it is.

It says this is due to the fall in median wage and there has been no real change to children’s lives. The situation is expected to worsen in April as benefit cuts begin to bite.

Sue Shanks, chair of Brighton and Hove City Council’s committee for children, said: “We’re providing extra funds to help families struggling with government reductions in council tax benefit, housing benefit, and other welfare changes.

“Unfortunately, and despite our best efforts, we expect to see the numbers of families in need increase as a result of government welfare reforms.”

So hard to see my kids go without

Judy Paterson*, 45, is a disabled single mother from Hove. She has four daughters, although only two live with her. They are aged six and nine. The three live in a two-bedroom council flat.

Due to her disability Ms Paterson has very little mobility; she can’t take her children to school or stand by a cooker to prepare food.

Disability carers visit her flat each day. Two volunteers from Fun in Action go out with her daughters each week or fortnight.

She said: “Income-wise [my situation] is very, very difficult. It’s led to my children not having much of a social life with their peers. We’re quite excluded from the community.

“My nine year old isn’t very confident and she says she notices all her friends go on holidays. She’s not really old enough to go out on her own.

“She was in the community choir but I couldn’t get anyone to [bring her back home] so we had to stop doing that.

“[My children] are so aware that they don’t have as much as they should have.

Price of food

“Things are a lot worse [than last year]. The price of food has really affected everything. I find [the food] I do get is half of what others have.

“I can’t afford organic food, which I know would be much healthier for them. I used to buy vitamin supplements to give them [to make sure they got the nutrition they needed].

“If I’m feeling a bit down or ill I can’t just say: ‘Let’s go out for a pizza’. The funds aren’t there to do that.

“[In April, when the benefits changes come in] I’m actually considering where the nearest food bank is and to ask the carer to go down there for me.

“Every parent, whatever their situation, needs a break.

*Names have been changed. An estimated 3,651 children are living in poverty in Hove – a proportion of 19%.

What is the problem and how do we solve it?

Anne McLaren, project manager of Fun in Action, said: Society asks parents living in poverty to be incredibly resourceful all the time without any respite. Because their resources are limited just one small financial setback has a huge impact. This does put them in a position of real vulnerability.

Fun in Action provides a befriending service to children from disadvantaged lone parent families in the Brighton and Hove area.

Simon Kirby, MP for Brighton Kemptown, said: [Child poverty] is a complex issue which is not just about a lack of money, but incorporates lack of employment, failings of the education system, debt, family breakdown and other socio economic factors.

Kemptown, which includes Moulsecoomb and Whitehawk, has the joint highest child poverty rate of 30% – 5,087 children.

Amber Rudd, MP for Hastings and Rye, said: I have always said that the best way to reduce child poverty, which is proven, is to get families into work.

Hastings and Rye has 6,675 children living in poverty which equates to 30% – the joint highest in Sussex.

Tony Smith, Brighton and Hove City Mission coordinator, said: Obviously employment is an issue and we need to be doing as much as we can to encourage people to get back into employment. A lot of the people are coming [to us] because they don’t have any [money] reserves.

Brighton and Hove City Mission is a charity which offers practical support to those with food, fuel aid and basic kitchen and bedding needs.

Warren Morgan, councillor for East Brighton, said: Measures like the Working Families Tax Credit, the Minimum Wage and Sure Start Children’s Centres [have] a huge impact [on reducing child poverty]. I’m very worried for households in my ward and across the city who are facing rising bills [and] falling incomes.

In East Brighton 45% of children are in poverty – the highest in Brighton and Hove.

A spokesman from the Department for Work and Pensions said: We want to take a new approach by tackling the root causes [of child poverty] including worklessness, educational failure and family breakdown.

The DWP predicts the upcoming benefits changes to push another 200,000 children into relative low income poverty.

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5:18pm Mon 25 Feb 13

risingphoenix says...

The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old! risingphoenix
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5:44pm Mon 25 Feb 13

rolivan says...

If the majority of the benefits were given in food and clothing vouchers it would help. Cigarettes Beer and Drugs Flatscreen TVs and Packages should be a long last.
If the majority of the benefits were given in food and clothing vouchers it would help. Cigarettes Beer and Drugs Flatscreen TVs and Packages should be a long last. rolivan
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5:54pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Plantpot says...

risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
[quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash. Plantpot
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6:22pm Mon 25 Feb 13

lillylou says...

whats the point in printing this noone can stop cameron hes evil he hates poor people hes capable of anything to put children on the street what sort of person is he he studies druidism and witchcraft so that kinda ses it all
whats the point in printing this noone can stop cameron hes evil he hates poor people hes capable of anything to put children on the street what sort of person is he he studies druidism and witchcraft so that kinda ses it all lillylou
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6:25pm Mon 25 Feb 13

MIDNIGHT COWBOY says...

This present Government are totally out for themselves and their rich cronies.
This present Government are totally out for themselves and their rich cronies. MIDNIGHT COWBOY
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7:50pm Mon 25 Feb 13

mimseycal says...

It is the inevitable consequence to the absurd policies that have led to the economic collapse. Surprised? I'm not.
It is the inevitable consequence to the absurd policies that have led to the economic collapse. Surprised? I'm not. mimseycal
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7:50pm Mon 25 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I find most parties have utter contempt for the poor including the Greens who spend money on free eco driving lessons for residents and a new bike lane for rich students to drive past on their way to uni.
Let them eat carrot cake.
I find most parties have utter contempt for the poor including the Greens who spend money on free eco driving lessons for residents and a new bike lane for rich students to drive past on their way to uni. Let them eat carrot cake. Maxwell's Ghost
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10:40pm Mon 25 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Plantpot wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
Yes and labour adopted certain Tory policies like privatising , ppi and deregulation, which have contributed so much to the mess we are in.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.[/p][/quote]Yes and labour adopted certain Tory policies like privatising , ppi and deregulation, which have contributed so much to the mess we are in. HJarrs
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10:49pm Mon 25 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I find most parties have utter contempt for the poor including the Greens who spend money on free eco driving lessons for residents and a new bike lane for rich students to drive past on their way to uni.
Let them eat carrot cake.
Cycle lanes for rich students! I see a lot of students with tens of thousands of pounds in debts who are and will continue to be far from rich. You want to lock people into car dependency despite cycling over 100 miles a week yourself. What is that all about?
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I find most parties have utter contempt for the poor including the Greens who spend money on free eco driving lessons for residents and a new bike lane for rich students to drive past on their way to uni. Let them eat carrot cake.[/p][/quote]Cycle lanes for rich students! I see a lot of students with tens of thousands of pounds in debts who are and will continue to be far from rich. You want to lock people into car dependency despite cycling over 100 miles a week yourself. What is that all about? HJarrs
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11:03pm Mon 25 Feb 13

HJarrs says...

Back to the article. I am amazed that anyone is so surprised that the privately educated millionaire government cabinet is so out of touch that its policies are reversing the modest progress on child poverty made under the previous government.

Warren Morgan is on the money, however cheap products and cheap food have also disguised a relative fall in wages over many years and little has been done to renovate the housing stock to reduce energy usage and increase comfort and reduce reliance on energy imports.
Back to the article. I am amazed that anyone is so surprised that the privately educated millionaire government cabinet is so out of touch that its policies are reversing the modest progress on child poverty made under the previous government. Warren Morgan is on the money, however cheap products and cheap food have also disguised a relative fall in wages over many years and little has been done to renovate the housing stock to reduce energy usage and increase comfort and reduce reliance on energy imports. HJarrs
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1:29am Tue 26 Feb 13

redwing says...

rolivan wrote:
If the majority of the benefits were given in food and clothing vouchers it would help. Cigarettes Beer and Drugs Flatscreen TVs and Packages should be a long last.
No it wouldn't help. It's just the kind of excuse trotted out for treating the impoverished with contempt. They used to have workhouses for the destitute, and vouchers for food etc. is just a watered down version of that suggestion. Still, you need to keep the myths coming, or the rich who've continued to increase their proportion of the wealth in this country year after year, despite the rhetoric of "we're all in this together" won't be able to continue this painful charade in which they continue to wreck people's lives and screw the entire planet for every last ounce of profit.
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: If the majority of the benefits were given in food and clothing vouchers it would help. Cigarettes Beer and Drugs Flatscreen TVs and Packages should be a long last.[/p][/quote]No it wouldn't help. It's just the kind of excuse trotted out for treating the impoverished with contempt. They used to have workhouses for the destitute, and vouchers for food etc. is just a watered down version of that suggestion. Still, you need to keep the myths coming, or the rich who've continued to increase their proportion of the wealth in this country year after year, despite the rhetoric of "we're all in this together" won't be able to continue this painful charade in which they continue to wreck people's lives and screw the entire planet for every last ounce of profit. redwing
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6:42am Tue 26 Feb 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Oh you are back HJarrs. For a moment I thought you had gone back to work after your maternity year off.
Have you heard the UK has had it's credit rating downgraded but its ok we can still fritter EU money away because apparently it grows on trees in a sustainable Eco forest. Ask Caroline.
Oh you are back HJarrs. For a moment I thought you had gone back to work after your maternity year off. Have you heard the UK has had it's credit rating downgraded but its ok we can still fritter EU money away because apparently it grows on trees in a sustainable Eco forest. Ask Caroline. Maxwell's Ghost
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10:03am Tue 26 Feb 13

Morpheus says...

The problem is quite fundamental really. Not that long ago one man could keep a family with his wife at home looking after the house and kids. During the war many women worked and there was a demand to keep doing this, and who can blame them really. But business has responded to the demand for extra jobs by creating low skilled and low paid jobs which are not really needed and hence productivity has gone down. With both parents working extra money also has to be found for child care compared to the situation with only one worker in the family. It isn't rocket science to work this out.
The problem is quite fundamental really. Not that long ago one man could keep a family with his wife at home looking after the house and kids. During the war many women worked and there was a demand to keep doing this, and who can blame them really. But business has responded to the demand for extra jobs by creating low skilled and low paid jobs which are not really needed and hence productivity has gone down. With both parents working extra money also has to be found for child care compared to the situation with only one worker in the family. It isn't rocket science to work this out. Morpheus
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10:40am Tue 26 Feb 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

Is the disabled mother ( Judy) in the story aware that as an disabled person she would be able to sign up to British gas warm home discount scheme.It to late to receive a payment from them this year.The payment for this year was £130, which they said they would send out during the winter. I am aware that many people who signed up to this scheme are still waiting to receive this payment. It seems that British gas are holding on to it as close to date of March 31st 2013 ( latest date you should receive it by) to actually send out these payments.
Is the disabled mother ( Judy) in the story aware that as an disabled person she would be able to sign up to British gas warm home discount scheme.It to late to receive a payment from them this year.The payment for this year was £130, which they said they would send out during the winter. I am aware that many people who signed up to this scheme are still waiting to receive this payment. It seems that British gas are holding on to it as close to date of March 31st 2013 ( latest date you should receive it by) to actually send out these payments. Mrs Newcastle
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11:26am Tue 26 Feb 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Plantpot wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families.

I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly.


When will Cameron visit a food bank?
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.[/p][/quote]It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families. I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly. When will Cameron visit a food bank? Hoarder12345444
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1:11pm Tue 26 Feb 13

RottingdeanRant says...

Quote 'If a two-child family earns less than £18,300 a year, or a household with one child makes below £11,300, then the children are considered to be living in poverty.’…..In Brighton and Hove, Moulsecoomb and Bevendean remain worst affected, with 1,602 youngsters in poverty – 44% of the children in the ward.” So where did they get their figure from to say that almost 1 in 2 (44%) in MHM&B are earning(sic) less than the criteria? Seam a surprisingly high figure?
Quote 'If a two-child family earns less than £18,300 a year, or a household with one child makes below £11,300, then the children are considered to be living in poverty.’…..In Brighton and Hove, Moulsecoomb and Bevendean remain worst affected, with 1,602 youngsters in poverty – 44% of the children in the ward.” So where did they get their figure from to say that almost 1 in 2 (44%) in MHM&B are earning(sic) less than the criteria? Seam a surprisingly high figure? RottingdeanRant
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3:12pm Tue 26 Feb 13

RottingdeanRant says...

I just love auto correct - Seam should be seems!
I just love auto correct - Seam should be seems! RottingdeanRant
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3:44pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Plantpot says...

Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families.

I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly.


When will Cameron visit a food bank?
Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners.

Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance.

The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts.
[quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.[/p][/quote]It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families. I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly. When will Cameron visit a food bank?[/p][/quote]Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners. Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance. The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts. Plantpot
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3:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Plantpot says...

Plantpot wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families.

I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly.


When will Cameron visit a food bank?
Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners.

Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance.

The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts.
Oh, and of course, for a number of elections now the majority of those that vote in England vote Tory. It may come as a surprise to you that not all of them are rich.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.[/p][/quote]It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families. I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly. When will Cameron visit a food bank?[/p][/quote]Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners. Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance. The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts.[/p][/quote]Oh, and of course, for a number of elections now the majority of those that vote in England vote Tory. It may come as a surprise to you that not all of them are rich. Plantpot
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5:41pm Tue 26 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Plantpot wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
Hoarder12345444 wrote:
Plantpot wrote:
risingphoenix wrote:
The last time this happened was when?...

Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power!

Same old, same old!
You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.
It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families.

I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly.


When will Cameron visit a food bank?
Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners.

Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance.

The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts.
Oh, and of course, for a number of elections now the majority of those that vote in England vote Tory. It may come as a surprise to you that not all of them are rich.
No, the rest of them are stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoarder12345444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]risingphoenix[/bold] wrote: The last time this happened was when?... Oh yes, that's right - the nasty party was in power! Same old, same old![/p][/quote]You forget the fact that when Labour were in power the gap between rich and poor widened in every respect. I totally agree about vouchers vs. cash.[/p][/quote]It did grow yes, but there were far less poorer families as there were far more jobs about and times were far better. The Tories are obsessed with Austerity and be damned to the consequences for normal hard working families. I also don't remember Labour giving a TAX CUT to the people earning the top salaries whilst cutting benefits to the poor, so yes, the Tories are still very much the rich mans party, and the poor are suffereing needlessly. When will Cameron visit a food bank?[/p][/quote]Except of course the recent tax changes have taken over 2m out of the tax system, something Labour never did. One assumes they are therefore less poor and may qualify as at least working, whether hard working or not is between them, their conscience and their employer. BTW, 60% of tax comes from the top 14% of earners. Ed Milliband must love people like you who take in all their sound bites and no substance. The Tories are obsessed with keeping debt under control. The legacy of the last Labour govt. is a nightmare, because every govt. has to borrow money to pay for services, yet if the economy is poor and we struggle to pay back what we owe our debt rating goes down and we have to pay more in interest to service our debts.[/p][/quote]Oh, and of course, for a number of elections now the majority of those that vote in England vote Tory. It may come as a surprise to you that not all of them are rich.[/p][/quote]No, the rest of them are stupid. thevoiceoftruth
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