Valley Gardens scheme in Brighton is set to be given the go-ahead

The Argus: An artist's impression of part of the Valley Gardens project An artist's impression of part of the Valley Gardens project

A multimillion pound scheme which will transform the heart of Brighton is set to be given the go-ahead.

Brighton and Hove City Council is expected to approve the Valley Gardens scheme, which will see the area between The Level and Palace Pier redesigned.

The proposal will include dedicated cycle and bus lanes, a tree-lined avenue for cars and a pedestrianised exhibition space.

The council’s transport committee will meet on March 5 to decide on the blueprints.

Councillor Ian Davey, chair of the committee, said: “Developing a vision for this important area of the city is long overdue.

“It’s a real hidden gem, part of the city’s heritage, which has been somewhat lost with busy roads on both sides cutting the area off from the communities around it.”

The scheme is due to be completed in stages and detailed plans are yet to be confirmed.

However, the committee is to agree on the outline and work could begin later this year.

The project would reroute traffic, with buses running on the west side of the gardens and cars to the east.

Members will also be agreeing on the construction of dedicated cycle lanes and better pedestrian access to the seafront.

Pedestrian plan

By voting in favour of the plans, the committee would also commit the council to continuing to fund the project with £1.3million as well as putting in for various forms of funding.

Coun Davey added: “At the initial stage we have been exploring how to maintain the important transport routes whilst making the area more attractive and accessible for everybody. “

The ideas are focused around bringing back the special nature of Valley Gardens so that people can rediscover and enjoy the area as a public space.”

Among the specific designs for the area is the proposal to pedestrianise much of Marlborough Place.

The design, which is based on Edinburgh’s Grassmarket, would see the road used as an exhibition space for events.

The council is yet to set a final figure for the works but early estimates suggest it will be in the multi-millions.

A council spokesman said that if the vision is agreed, the authority will explore funding options.

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11:04am Tue 26 Feb 13

Kiddon72 says...

At a time when the council is seeking to impose savage cuts on many departments the question is surely.
Where is the money for this coming from ?
Vague statements about "exploring funding options" tell us nothing.
At a time when the council is seeking to impose savage cuts on many departments the question is surely. Where is the money for this coming from ? Vague statements about "exploring funding options" tell us nothing. Kiddon72

11:19am Tue 26 Feb 13

ThinkBrighton says...

WAKEY WAKEY
For a council that wanted to put up council tax, has ruined the city road infostructure, has one of the highest parking rates in the UK and is allowing the school system to rapidly decline.
This sounds like a well thought out scheme!!!, it should be well received from the Brighton tax payer
WAKEY WAKEY For a council that wanted to put up council tax, has ruined the city road infostructure, has one of the highest parking rates in the UK and is allowing the school system to rapidly decline. This sounds like a well thought out scheme!!!, it should be well received from the Brighton tax payer ThinkBrighton

11:20am Tue 26 Feb 13

ThinkBrighton says...

WAKEY WAKEY
For a council that wanted to put up council tax, has ruined the city road infostructure, has one of the highest parking rates in the UK and is allowing the school system to rapidly decline.
This sounds like a well thought out scheme!!!, it should be well received from the Brighton tax payer
WAKEY WAKEY For a council that wanted to put up council tax, has ruined the city road infostructure, has one of the highest parking rates in the UK and is allowing the school system to rapidly decline. This sounds like a well thought out scheme!!!, it should be well received from the Brighton tax payer ThinkBrighton

11:25am Tue 26 Feb 13

charlie smirke says...

What part of " we cannot afford this" do these idiot Greens not understand???
What part of " we cannot afford this" do these idiot Greens not understand??? charlie smirke

11:29am Tue 26 Feb 13

NickBtn says...

If we had the money a lot of this sounds good. We haven't and spending time and effort working on something with no idea of how it will be paid for is a waste of valuable resources and money.

Or perhaps I should join in the madness and start working on the garden and room layout of my country estate. There's about as much chance of that happening as this....
If we had the money a lot of this sounds good. We haven't and spending time and effort working on something with no idea of how it will be paid for is a waste of valuable resources and money. Or perhaps I should join in the madness and start working on the garden and room layout of my country estate. There's about as much chance of that happening as this.... NickBtn

11:30am Tue 26 Feb 13

andyfm says...

Why do the council persist in paying "consultants" vast amounts of council tax on these "HAIRBRAINED" ideas that
A) Cost a fortune
B) Never work
C) Put people off coming to Brighton!!!
Why do the council persist in paying "consultants" vast amounts of council tax on these "HAIRBRAINED" ideas that A) Cost a fortune B) Never work C) Put people off coming to Brighton!!! andyfm

11:35am Tue 26 Feb 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

I'll wait until I see the plans before I pass judgement - although when this was last mooted there was talk of cutting down some of the surviving mature elms. That is a COMPLETE no-no. As others have said it is odd that in times of austerity money can be found for what is little more than a vanity project with no real benefit to the city (other than it might make some grass areas 'more accessible'), but that's our beloved Council for you. And as someone who walks to the seafront I don't think there's much wrong with the current pedestrian access, certainly nothing worth spending millions on.

One point: I am pleased to see this is now described accurately as 'the heart of Brighton', rather than a 'gateway'.
I'll wait until I see the plans before I pass judgement - although when this was last mooted there was talk of cutting down some of the surviving mature elms. That is a COMPLETE no-no. As others have said it is odd that in times of austerity money can be found for what is little more than a vanity project with no real benefit to the city (other than it might make some grass areas 'more accessible'), but that's our beloved Council for you. And as someone who walks to the seafront I don't think there's much wrong with the current pedestrian access, certainly nothing worth spending millions on. One point: I am pleased to see this is now described accurately as 'the heart of Brighton', rather than a 'gateway'. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

11:49am Tue 26 Feb 13

dhamallamafarmer says...

Do you remember in school you learned about the ancient Romans and Egyptians building huge vanity projects like the Colosseum and bigger and better pyramids so that the rich could brag about how **** rich they were while creating work and leaving a legacy of architecture and design? And the victorian philanthropists who dug sewers and built bridges etc. With a gap between rich and poor far greater than it was even when Dickens was writing, what are the rich doing to make life easier for the average person on the street? easing suffering and creating opportunities? Hell no. they're avoiding tax, taking their money off shore and giving us tax payers the middle finger as they jump on their private jets as they disappear off into the distance. I'm not trying to tell the 1% what they should do with their money but when the only guy who's making a visible private 'contribution' is Donald Trump you've really got to look at yourself.
Do you remember in school you learned about the ancient Romans and Egyptians building huge vanity projects like the Colosseum and bigger and better pyramids so that the rich could brag about how **** rich they were while creating work and leaving a legacy of architecture and design? And the victorian philanthropists who dug sewers and built bridges etc. With a gap between rich and poor far greater than it was even when Dickens was writing, what are the rich doing to make life easier for the average person on the street? easing suffering and creating opportunities? Hell no. they're avoiding tax, taking their money off shore and giving us tax payers the middle finger as they jump on their private jets as they disappear off into the distance. I'm not trying to tell the 1% what they should do with their money but when the only guy who's making a visible private 'contribution' is Donald Trump you've really got to look at yourself. dhamallamafarmer

11:49am Tue 26 Feb 13

monkeymoo says...

Cut the fire service,
Cut the ambulance service,
Cut the police service,
Cut council workers
Cut libraries, schools, refuse collection, recycling collection, etc.

Increase council tax.
Increase Councilor's wages.
Plant a few trees.

Above is the manifesto for my new political party. Anyone interested in voting for me?
Cut the fire service, Cut the ambulance service, Cut the police service, Cut council workers Cut libraries, schools, refuse collection, recycling collection, etc. Increase council tax. Increase Councilor's wages. Plant a few trees. Above is the manifesto for my new political party. Anyone interested in voting for me? monkeymoo

11:56am Tue 26 Feb 13

Para2805 says...

So is this the reason for the 2% raise in Council Tax? No thanks, I'd rather feed and clothe my family!
So is this the reason for the 2% raise in Council Tax? No thanks, I'd rather feed and clothe my family! Para2805

12:01pm Tue 26 Feb 13

rolivan says...

As it is the main arterial road and has been for centuries it is hardly a "Hidden Gem".How many times are the City Planners going to change this before they realise the money would be better spent on more important Transport infrastrucure.When is the City going to get a Tram System? Oh I forgot the Bus Company has been allowed to Monopolise and now have to answer to no one.
As it is the main arterial road and has been for centuries it is hardly a "Hidden Gem".How many times are the City Planners going to change this before they realise the money would be better spent on more important Transport infrastrucure.When is the City going to get a Tram System? Oh I forgot the Bus Company has been allowed to Monopolise and now have to answer to no one. rolivan

12:09pm Tue 26 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

A bigger area for drunks to lay on the grass and fight. Great idea.
A bigger area for drunks to lay on the grass and fight. Great idea. mark by the sea

12:16pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Surely not! says...

I like the fact that people think there is no money. There is plenty of money, its just that its all in the hands of a few people. Keep on attacking things like this, it'll keep them happy. Divide and rule.
I like the fact that people think there is no money. There is plenty of money, its just that its all in the hands of a few people. Keep on attacking things like this, it'll keep them happy. Divide and rule. Surely not!

12:16pm Tue 26 Feb 13

s_james says...

This is a great idea, and will vastly improve the area. It was first mooted by Labour years ago but then scrapped by the Tories so I'm glad its back.
This is a great idea, and will vastly improve the area. It was first mooted by Labour years ago but then scrapped by the Tories so I'm glad its back. s_james

12:23pm Tue 26 Feb 13

tinker111 says...

monkeymoo wrote:
Cut the fire service,
Cut the ambulance service,
Cut the police service,
Cut council workers
Cut libraries, schools, refuse collection, recycling collection, etc.

Increase council tax.
Increase Councilor's wages.
Plant a few trees.

Above is the manifesto for my new political party. Anyone interested in voting for me?
Canvas the green UNI'S vote good chance
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: Cut the fire service, Cut the ambulance service, Cut the police service, Cut council workers Cut libraries, schools, refuse collection, recycling collection, etc. Increase council tax. Increase Councilor's wages. Plant a few trees. Above is the manifesto for my new political party. Anyone interested in voting for me?[/p][/quote]Canvas the green UNI'S vote good chance tinker111

12:32pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Metro Reader says...

a tree-lined avenue for cars - I would sooner have a road!

somewhat lost with busy roads on both sides - The traffic will go where exactly?

Another cycle lane, another bus lane, another exhibition space, not needed, not wanted and not required.

Why will the Tory ,Labour and lib dems, not join forces and FIGHT of our city and stop the green party from making B&H a laughing stock, the reason is they want your vote in 2015 and dont care what happens in the meantime.
a tree-lined avenue for cars - I would sooner have a road! somewhat lost with busy roads on both sides - The traffic will go where exactly? Another cycle lane, another bus lane, another exhibition space, not needed, not wanted and not required. Why will the Tory ,Labour and lib dems, not join forces and FIGHT of our city and stop the green party from making B&H a laughing stock, the reason is they want your vote in 2015 and dont care what happens in the meantime. Metro Reader

12:37pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Daisyb2uk says...

More space for drunks and beggars to congregate.
And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham?
Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus.
More space for drunks and beggars to congregate. And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham? Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus. Daisyb2uk

12:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Fight_Back says...

So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total.

Yet the council want to :

Close the mobile library
Close many bowling greens
Cut library hours
Cut the pay of many council workers
Increase council tax by 2%
Hike up parking charges
Cut money spent on the homeless
Cut golf course worker jobs
Cut music services
Cut bus services

To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m !
So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total. Yet the council want to : Close the mobile library Close many bowling greens Cut library hours Cut the pay of many council workers Increase council tax by 2% Hike up parking charges Cut money spent on the homeless Cut golf course worker jobs Cut music services Cut bus services To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m ! Fight_Back

12:39pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Crystal Ball says...

If there hadn't been the loan of £14m for the iSore then the coffers might be a little healthier.

And more grass for doggy doo-doos if the picture is representative of the outcome.

Brighton is currently being strangled by roadworks and related schemes and this will make the town such an appealing place for the summer...
If there hadn't been the loan of £14m for the iSore then the coffers might be a little healthier. And more grass for doggy doo-doos if the picture is representative of the outcome. Brighton is currently being strangled by roadworks and related schemes and this will make the town such an appealing place for the summer... Crystal Ball

1:09pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

There are far better things the money should be spent on.

Ian Davey and his cronies are trying to do as much damage to the city infrastructure as they can before they are booted out for good.

If they do continue to force through plans like this despite the opposition of the council tax payers, just like Lewes Road & Seven Dials, it's going to end up costing an awful lot more in the long term to put things right again.
There are far better things the money should be spent on. Ian Davey and his cronies are trying to do as much damage to the city infrastructure as they can before they are booted out for good. If they do continue to force through plans like this despite the opposition of the council tax payers, just like Lewes Road & Seven Dials, it's going to end up costing an awful lot more in the long term to put things right again. Bob_The_Ferret

1:27pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Joshiman says...

Here we go again.This anti car Council will kill off tourism.One single lane in and one single lane out of Brighton.More polution/Co2 emmissions,frustrate
d drivers and when the 20 mph is introduced well lets just see.Oh and thanks for the single tree lined so called Avenue.Oh and more cycle lanes.Have the planners lost the plot.More cycle lanes/more badly timed traffic lights/more gridlock/jams everywhere.What is happening?Oh thanks for the tree lined avenue will have time to admire them driving 5mph at most.
Here we go again.This anti car Council will kill off tourism.One single lane in and one single lane out of Brighton.More polution/Co2 emmissions,frustrate d drivers and when the 20 mph is introduced well lets just see.Oh and thanks for the single tree lined so called Avenue.Oh and more cycle lanes.Have the planners lost the plot.More cycle lanes/more badly timed traffic lights/more gridlock/jams everywhere.What is happening?Oh thanks for the tree lined avenue will have time to admire them driving 5mph at most. Joshiman

1:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

rolivan says...

Daisyb2uk wrote:
More space for drunks and beggars to congregate.
And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham?
Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus.
Unfortunately there aren't many true Brightonians left so those residing now wouldn't remember the floral gardens went right down to the Steine.I think that to Qualify to become a Councillor one must have resided in the Town or City for at least 10 years.
[quote][p][bold]Daisyb2uk[/bold] wrote: More space for drunks and beggars to congregate. And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham? Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there aren't many true Brightonians left so those residing now wouldn't remember the floral gardens went right down to the Steine.I think that to Qualify to become a Councillor one must have resided in the Town or City for at least 10 years. rolivan

1:35pm Tue 26 Feb 13

toldsloth says...

Seriously is there any way this can be stopped? This council is killing the City - Lewes Road, Seven Dials and now Valley Gardens / Grand Parade. I really think enough is enough and this latest bit of lunacy is going too far. What if anything can be done to stop the waste of money and the inevitable traffic chaos this is going to bring to the City?
Seriously is there any way this can be stopped? This council is killing the City - Lewes Road, Seven Dials and now Valley Gardens / Grand Parade. I really think enough is enough and this latest bit of lunacy is going too far. What if anything can be done to stop the waste of money and the inevitable traffic chaos this is going to bring to the City? toldsloth

1:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

djwbrighton says...

Looks like an attractive scheme which gives the motorist a dual carriage way to and from the seafront and seperates out the buses and bicycle. We lose a bit of greenery but gain some pedestrian space and a get well needed solution to the Pier roundabout nightmare making it safer for pedestrians to cross. Lets hope funding can be found from the government agencies that promote Bus and cycle lanes.
Looks like an attractive scheme which gives the motorist a dual carriage way to and from the seafront and seperates out the buses and bicycle. We lose a bit of greenery but gain some pedestrian space and a get well needed solution to the Pier roundabout nightmare making it safer for pedestrians to cross. Lets hope funding can be found from the government agencies that promote Bus and cycle lanes. djwbrighton

1:46pm Tue 26 Feb 13

The Big Majority says...

Tree lined parks are a worry in central Brighton!

The pathways at Dukes Mound are tree lined and look what happened to that poor family the other day.

Seeing as Brighton authority have a policy of "managed toleration" to public indecency then tree lined is a bad idea in this city!
Tree lined parks are a worry in central Brighton! The pathways at Dukes Mound are tree lined and look what happened to that poor family the other day. Seeing as Brighton authority have a policy of "managed toleration" to public indecency then tree lined is a bad idea in this city! The Big Majority

1:48pm Tue 26 Feb 13

The Big Majority says...

Daisyb2uk wrote:
More space for drunks and beggars to congregate.
And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham?
Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus.
Not to mention the "managed tolerance" of public acts of indecency in our parks.
[quote][p][bold]Daisyb2uk[/bold] wrote: More space for drunks and beggars to congregate. And will these gardens also be neglected like the Peace Gardens in Patcham? Brighton once had a Parks and Gardens dept that looked after them beautifully. Remember the greetings gardens along Preston Park, a joy to behold from the top of a bus.[/p][/quote]Not to mention the "managed tolerance" of public acts of indecency in our parks. The Big Majority

1:56pm Tue 26 Feb 13

missileman says...

Looks nicely concreted over by the GREEN Party!! Is this affordable when the parks department has no, as in £0, budget for flowers in our parks and gardens this year.

Might this be paying for the hideous cost of an unenfoceable 20mph limit?

The police have no time to enforce it, B and H cannot enfoce it as they have a "lifetime" ban on use of the DVLA Computor for illegal useage. Keenly awaiting the Freedom of Information Act release :-( wot have they been up to?

Meanwhile our excellent local parks department workers are very happy to accept donations of flowers from all residents.
Looks nicely concreted over by the GREEN Party!! Is this affordable when the parks department has no, as in £0, budget for flowers in our parks and gardens this year. Might this be paying for the hideous cost of an unenfoceable 20mph limit? The police have no time to enforce it, B and H cannot enfoce it as they have a "lifetime" ban on use of the DVLA Computor for illegal useage. Keenly awaiting the Freedom of Information Act release :-( wot have they been up to? Meanwhile our excellent local parks department workers are very happy to accept donations of flowers from all residents. missileman

1:58pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Phani Tikkala says...

Priorities priorities... clearly the greens think multi-million pound cycle lanes are more important than cutting the mobile library and freezing council tax etc.

And all at the expense of local businesses and visitor numbers, which are going bust at an alarming rate and falling hugely respectively.

How much is it going to cost for the next incumbents to unpick this mess, and how long is it going to take?

Expect some articles in Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye soon
Priorities priorities... clearly the greens think multi-million pound cycle lanes are more important than cutting the mobile library and freezing council tax etc. And all at the expense of local businesses and visitor numbers, which are going bust at an alarming rate and falling hugely respectively. How much is it going to cost for the next incumbents to unpick this mess, and how long is it going to take? Expect some articles in Rotten Boroughs in Private Eye soon Phani Tikkala

2:11pm Tue 26 Feb 13

missileman says...

Mr Kitcat and his sleight of hand with everyone elses money smacks of Gordon/Balls.

Would you give your overdraft to this man. Give me a break, Give me Mr KKs head at the local elections.

I have asked Top Gear to vist Brighton and Hove during this Series, thatll keep the punters away. £20 for taking the kids to the beach by car!!
Mr Kitcat and his sleight of hand with everyone elses money smacks of Gordon/Balls. Would you give your overdraft to this man. Give me a break, Give me Mr KKs head at the local elections. I have asked Top Gear to vist Brighton and Hove during this Series, thatll keep the punters away. £20 for taking the kids to the beach by car!! missileman

2:23pm Tue 26 Feb 13

charlie smirke says...

toldsloth wrote:
Seriously is there any way this can be stopped? This council is killing the City - Lewes Road, Seven Dials and now Valley Gardens / Grand Parade. I really think enough is enough and this latest bit of lunacy is going too far. What if anything can be done to stop the waste of money and the inevitable traffic chaos this is going to bring to the City?
I presume the government has some authority over these Green lunatics. Maybe we need to all withhold our council tax until the goverment acts to stop this lunacy before Brighton is damaged beyond repair.
[quote][p][bold]toldsloth[/bold] wrote: Seriously is there any way this can be stopped? This council is killing the City - Lewes Road, Seven Dials and now Valley Gardens / Grand Parade. I really think enough is enough and this latest bit of lunacy is going too far. What if anything can be done to stop the waste of money and the inevitable traffic chaos this is going to bring to the City?[/p][/quote]I presume the government has some authority over these Green lunatics. Maybe we need to all withhold our council tax until the goverment acts to stop this lunacy before Brighton is damaged beyond repair. charlie smirke

2:35pm Tue 26 Feb 13

s_james says...

Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way.
Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way. s_james

2:38pm Tue 26 Feb 13

rolivan says...

s_james wrote:
Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way.
What will happen to the Monuments and Fountains as they run through the Centre?
[quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way.[/p][/quote]What will happen to the Monuments and Fountains as they run through the Centre? rolivan

2:52pm Tue 26 Feb 13

s_james says...

rolivan wrote:
s_james wrote:
Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way.
What will happen to the Monuments and Fountains as they run through the Centre?
http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/index.cf
m?request=c1261094 All the details are on there, including a pdf map of what is proposed. Looks great to me
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s_james[/bold] wrote: Hilarious comments as always. A similar scheme was first proposed by Labour and this one has been supported by a number of Tory councillors on Twitter. It will improve the centre of city, with no loss of road space - there will still be two lanes each way.[/p][/quote]What will happen to the Monuments and Fountains as they run through the Centre?[/p][/quote]http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/index.cf m?request=c1261094 All the details are on there, including a pdf map of what is proposed. Looks great to me s_james

3:05pm Tue 26 Feb 13

thegrail says...

Fight_Back wrote:
So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total.

Yet the council want to :

Close the mobile library
Close many bowling greens
Cut library hours
Cut the pay of many council workers
Increase council tax by 2%
Hike up parking charges
Cut money spent on the homeless
Cut golf course worker jobs
Cut music services
Cut bus services

To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m !
And don't forget the other £1.5m for a solar powered upgrade to Volk's Railway which will save £6,000 per year in electrical costs - in other words a 250 year payback!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total. Yet the council want to : Close the mobile library Close many bowling greens Cut library hours Cut the pay of many council workers Increase council tax by 2% Hike up parking charges Cut money spent on the homeless Cut golf course worker jobs Cut music services Cut bus services To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m ![/p][/quote]And don't forget the other £1.5m for a solar powered upgrade to Volk's Railway which will save £6,000 per year in electrical costs - in other words a 250 year payback! thegrail

3:19pm Tue 26 Feb 13

boo2005 says...

to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth
ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that! boo2005

3:22pm Tue 26 Feb 13

MikeyA says...

Perhaps we could have sheep grazing in The Steine? Herds of wildebeest traversing The Level?
Perhaps we could have sheep grazing in The Steine? Herds of wildebeest traversing The Level? MikeyA

3:27pm Tue 26 Feb 13

rolivan says...

boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth

ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Do you include getting rid of the Monuments and Fountains as in the plan it looks like they are going?
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Do you include getting rid of the Monuments and Fountains as in the plan it looks like they are going? rolivan

3:29pm Tue 26 Feb 13

boo2005 says...

don't be ridiculous Mikey!.....you might not care about your surroundings, but I for one do....very much so!....if we want to save some money send everyone who claims benefits or sleeps in doorways, who has moved into the town in the past twenty years, back home!....lets have a human clear-out and move a lot of greenery in!
don't be ridiculous Mikey!.....you might not care about your surroundings, but I for one do....very much so!....if we want to save some money send everyone who claims benefits or sleeps in doorways, who has moved into the town in the past twenty years, back home!....lets have a human clear-out and move a lot of greenery in! boo2005

3:33pm Tue 26 Feb 13

boo2005 says...

read more carefully what I have just said, 'rolivan'....if you understand the English language fully enough!
read more carefully what I have just said, 'rolivan'....if you understand the English language fully enough! boo2005

3:49pm Tue 26 Feb 13

rolivan says...

boo2005 wrote:
read more carefully what I have just said, 'rolivan'....if you understand the English language fully enough!
As a born and bred Brightonian. also in the early 50s. I think I understand the English Language sufficently to understand what "pulling it off" means.My point was do you include the plans to eradicate the Monuments and Fountains in your Statement.
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: read more carefully what I have just said, 'rolivan'....if you understand the English language fully enough![/p][/quote]As a born and bred Brightonian. also in the early 50s. I think I understand the English Language sufficently to understand what "pulling it off" means.My point was do you include the plans to eradicate the Monuments and Fountains in your Statement. rolivan

4:48pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

From the proposals up on the council web site, there appear to be some major flaws in the proposed road layouts. For example, there are no facilities for traffic stuck in the Southbound lanes (which will be the case for most traffic emerging from roads to the East) to turn northbound - especially if they trash the junction at the Aquarium and remove the roundabout. Similarly Northbound traffic will not be able to turn South at any point, and there seem to be few opportunities to turn right.
From the proposals up on the council web site, there appear to be some major flaws in the proposed road layouts. For example, there are no facilities for traffic stuck in the Southbound lanes (which will be the case for most traffic emerging from roads to the East) to turn northbound - especially if they trash the junction at the Aquarium and remove the roundabout. Similarly Northbound traffic will not be able to turn South at any point, and there seem to be few opportunities to turn right. Bob_The_Ferret

4:54pm Tue 26 Feb 13

NickBtn says...

Fight_Back wrote:
So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total.

Yet the council want to :

Close the mobile library
Close many bowling greens
Cut library hours
Cut the pay of many council workers
Increase council tax by 2%
Hike up parking charges
Cut money spent on the homeless
Cut golf course worker jobs
Cut music services
Cut bus services

To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m !
Totally agree. It seems so easy

Unfortunately it looks like a budget freeze won't happen as labour have decided to vote against hard working families etc and side with the greens to increase council tax (according to tweet from Tim Ridgway from the Argus)

Very interested to hear how labour will argue their position to increase council tax when there clearly is money to spend on vanity projects which could wait until times improve
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: So £1.3m for this as an absolute minimum and another £1.5m for the unenforceable 20mph scheme making £2.8m in total. Yet the council want to : Close the mobile library Close many bowling greens Cut library hours Cut the pay of many council workers Increase council tax by 2% Hike up parking charges Cut money spent on the homeless Cut golf course worker jobs Cut music services Cut bus services To name but a few. Me thinks they may have their priorities wrong. Isn't their argument that there is a £3m hole the budget ? If so, use the £2.8m towards that. freeze council tax and get an additional £1.2m from the government by doing so. Hey presto, the coffers are better off to the tune of £1m ![/p][/quote]Totally agree. It seems so easy Unfortunately it looks like a budget freeze won't happen as labour have decided to vote against hard working families etc and side with the greens to increase council tax (according to tweet from Tim Ridgway from the Argus) Very interested to hear how labour will argue their position to increase council tax when there clearly is money to spend on vanity projects which could wait until times improve NickBtn

5:13pm Tue 26 Feb 13

boo2005 says...

well 'rolivan', I did state 'anything visually pleasing', that includes historical artifacts, monuments and fountains included, a lot of this place was irreparably damaged during the 1960's!

the council here would do well to look into Brighton's past when creating it's future, unfortunately, they don't seem to be intelligent enough to take the task on!......also, I still say, get rid of the 'spongers' who have settled here over the last twenty years or so, because they want an easy life here and prefer Brighton to where they originate from!......and still they come!
well 'rolivan', I did state 'anything visually pleasing', that includes historical artifacts, monuments and fountains included, a lot of this place was irreparably damaged during the 1960's! the council here would do well to look into Brighton's past when creating it's future, unfortunately, they don't seem to be intelligent enough to take the task on!......also, I still say, get rid of the 'spongers' who have settled here over the last twenty years or so, because they want an easy life here and prefer Brighton to where they originate from!......and still they come! boo2005

5:31pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Hugo-Worthing says...

When is the first opportunity to vote out the Greens?.They will be thrown out of office for sure after creating havoc with every decision
When is the first opportunity to vote out the Greens?.They will be thrown out of office for sure after creating havoc with every decision Hugo-Worthing

5:34pm Tue 26 Feb 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

A vision eh? Perhaps it's time to see the doctor. This isn't needed and although it all sounds very nice, I would rather the money was used to keep essential services running.
A vision eh? Perhaps it's time to see the doctor. This isn't needed and although it all sounds very nice, I would rather the money was used to keep essential services running. thevoiceoftruth

7:26pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Morpheus says...

The council seems to be taken advice from Diane Abbott. On Question Time last week she told us that the Labour Party has discovered the secret of spending money that they do not have without getting into debt.
The council seems to be taken advice from Diane Abbott. On Question Time last week she told us that the Labour Party has discovered the secret of spending money that they do not have without getting into debt. Morpheus

9:10pm Tue 26 Feb 13

PJW Brighton says...

boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth

ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try!
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try! PJW Brighton

7:54am Wed 27 Feb 13

Kate234 says...

Joshiman wrote:
Here we go again.This anti car Council will kill off tourism.One single lane in and one single lane out of Brighton.More polution/Co2 emmissions,frustrate

d drivers and when the 20 mph is introduced well lets just see.Oh and thanks for the single tree lined so called Avenue.Oh and more cycle lanes.Have the planners lost the plot.More cycle lanes/more badly timed traffic lights/more gridlock/jams everywhere.What is happening?Oh thanks for the tree lined avenue will have time to admire them driving 5mph at most.
Well the Greens hate tourism and hate jobs. They wouldn't have put up parking charges in the way that they did if this wasn't the case.

They are also trying to strangle the other artery road into Brighton with the Seven Dials scheme and I understand that Lewes road is now a nightmare to get through although it once used to be one of the quickest
roads out of the city.

Once they are kicked out the damage will take a decade and millions to repair.
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Here we go again.This anti car Council will kill off tourism.One single lane in and one single lane out of Brighton.More polution/Co2 emmissions,frustrate d drivers and when the 20 mph is introduced well lets just see.Oh and thanks for the single tree lined so called Avenue.Oh and more cycle lanes.Have the planners lost the plot.More cycle lanes/more badly timed traffic lights/more gridlock/jams everywhere.What is happening?Oh thanks for the tree lined avenue will have time to admire them driving 5mph at most.[/p][/quote]Well the Greens hate tourism and hate jobs. They wouldn't have put up parking charges in the way that they did if this wasn't the case. They are also trying to strangle the other artery road into Brighton with the Seven Dials scheme and I understand that Lewes road is now a nightmare to get through although it once used to be one of the quickest roads out of the city. Once they are kicked out the damage will take a decade and millions to repair. Kate234

8:40am Wed 27 Feb 13

missileman says...

Ten weeks to modify a set of traffic lights
at the drive/cromwell rd junction.

The porject was overpriced and needs some real scrutiny. Man power is the biggest cost.

The contract was let to the company that tenderded the longest project length in order to:

a. Waste as much money as possible.

b. Cause as much disripion as possible.

c. This was a country that could build
a wellington bomber in 24 hours and in 1982 convert a container ship into an aircraft carrier in 2 weeks.
Ten weeks to modify a set of traffic lights at the drive/cromwell rd junction. The porject was overpriced and needs some real scrutiny. Man power is the biggest cost. The contract was let to the company that tenderded the longest project length in order to: a. Waste as much money as possible. b. Cause as much disripion as possible. c. This was a country that could build a wellington bomber in 24 hours and in 1982 convert a container ship into an aircraft carrier in 2 weeks. missileman

8:44am Wed 27 Feb 13

missileman says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth


ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try!
The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try![/p][/quote]The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach. missileman

1:16pm Wed 27 Feb 13

PJW Brighton says...

missileman wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth



ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try!
The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.
I don't know any Croats waiting to leave to come to Brighton when Croatia joins in the EU. When you look at their weather, lifestyle, scenery, and economic growth I can't imagine that there will be many.
[quote][p][bold]missileman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try![/p][/quote]The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.[/p][/quote]I don't know any Croats waiting to leave to come to Brighton when Croatia joins in the EU. When you look at their weather, lifestyle, scenery, and economic growth I can't imagine that there will be many. PJW Brighton

4:46pm Wed 27 Feb 13

dawind says...

I think this is an improvement on the mess we have now. While your about it ban all private cars from the CBD..
I think this is an improvement on the mess we have now. While your about it ban all private cars from the CBD.. dawind

9:05pm Wed 27 Feb 13

boo2005 says...

well 'PJW ', I wouldn't ever want to compare any part of the 'Eastern Block' with Britain, not because of the scenery, but because of the people from there and their general aggressive attitude, so thank christ for your opinion at least, because we seem to be being over-run with every other Eastern European nation, and that's what is making this place so dreadful, along with our own immigrants choosing to settle into this once beautiful town!
well 'PJW ', I wouldn't ever want to compare any part of the 'Eastern Block' with Britain, not because of the scenery, but because of the people from there and their general aggressive attitude, so thank christ for your opinion at least, because we seem to be being over-run with every other Eastern European nation, and that's what is making this place so dreadful, along with our own immigrants choosing to settle into this once beautiful town! boo2005

5:05pm Thu 28 Feb 13

missileman says...

missileman wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth



ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try!
The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.
Only the unemployed Croats will come to draw benifit. It might be an ideal world to PJW but the Balkans are bankrupt with no jobs for young people unless they are part of the Mafia Style System. Talk to the locals next time you go there.
[quote][p][bold]missileman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try![/p][/quote]The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.[/p][/quote]Only the unemployed Croats will come to draw benifit. It might be an ideal world to PJW but the Balkans are bankrupt with no jobs for young people unless they are part of the Mafia Style System. Talk to the locals next time you go there. missileman

5:47pm Thu 28 Feb 13

sussexguy says...

If the funds were not so scarce and ratepayers were not going to be fleeced yet again by the council, it could be a very pleasant area. I remember visiting the large central green area in Helsinki, which has the traffic, shops and restaurants on the perimeter, and it was a pleasure to be there, especially in summer, but with our council it is likely to become a filthy haven for travellers, as well as a camping site for protesters and illegal immigrants. Then the council will start boasting of what a wonderful job they have made of it, as they did with the chaotic New Road development. Meanwhile the area that should be dealt with is the unfriendly Clock Tower, which is a pedestrian's nightmare. All that money wasted on an area that should have been pedestrianised and linked to the Lanes and Churchill Square. Perhaps no one on the council has ever visited Liverpool to see how attractive a large town centre can be when traffic is kept right out of it.
If the funds were not so scarce and ratepayers were not going to be fleeced yet again by the council, it could be a very pleasant area. I remember visiting the large central green area in Helsinki, which has the traffic, shops and restaurants on the perimeter, and it was a pleasure to be there, especially in summer, but with our council it is likely to become a filthy haven for travellers, as well as a camping site for protesters and illegal immigrants. Then the council will start boasting of what a wonderful job they have made of it, as they did with the chaotic New Road development. Meanwhile the area that should be dealt with is the unfriendly Clock Tower, which is a pedestrian's nightmare. All that money wasted on an area that should have been pedestrianised and linked to the Lanes and Churchill Square. Perhaps no one on the council has ever visited Liverpool to see how attractive a large town centre can be when traffic is kept right out of it. sussexguy

12:19pm Fri 1 Mar 13

PJW Brighton says...

missileman wrote:
missileman wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth




ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that!
Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try!
The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.
Only the unemployed Croats will come to draw benifit. It might be an ideal world to PJW but the Balkans are bankrupt with no jobs for young people unless they are part of the Mafia Style System. Talk to the locals next time you go there.
I'm married to one of the locals, have homes in Bosnia and Croatia, and talk to plenty of them. Youth unemployment is not as big an issue in Croatia as it is here.
[quote][p][bold]missileman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]missileman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: to me, one who was born here in the early fifties I say, if they can pull it off, it'll be brilliant!.....anyth ing visually pleasing in this town is worth spending money on!.....there is more than enough 'filth' to look at, in the human form these days!....this used to be a beautiful, safe and non foreign place to live....now it feels like bloody Bosnia!...it's aggressive , filthy and nasty...and I'm very sad about that![/p][/quote]Which part of Bosnia and Herzegovina are you comparing Brighton with? Is it he green hilly pine forested east of Bosnia, or perhaps the rugged sun-kissed limestone hills of the Herzegovinan Adriatic hinterland in the West? Or maybe you refer to the traditional Ottoman style paved squares and markets of the central towns and Sarajevo? I've lived in Brighton for 20 years, and traveled widely in the Balkans, and I can't really understand why you say they feel the same. Have you ever actually been to either Brighton or Bosnia? You can fly EasyJet from Gatwick to Dubrovnik and drive over the Croatian border into Bosnia three hours later. Give it a try![/p][/quote]The Croats (EU) will be here soon along with the Romanians. The HOS will clean up the town but there might be a few ods and sods washed up on the beach.[/p][/quote]Only the unemployed Croats will come to draw benifit. It might be an ideal world to PJW but the Balkans are bankrupt with no jobs for young people unless they are part of the Mafia Style System. Talk to the locals next time you go there.[/p][/quote]I'm married to one of the locals, have homes in Bosnia and Croatia, and talk to plenty of them. Youth unemployment is not as big an issue in Croatia as it is here. PJW Brighton

12:45pm Fri 1 Mar 13

s_james says...

Only in the Argus could comments on a road scheme in Brighton degenerate into scaremongering about hordes of Croats invading the UK to claim our benefits, steal our women etc. If I was Croatian, living alongside the beautiful Adriatic would be much more appealing than the English Channel!
Only in the Argus could comments on a road scheme in Brighton degenerate into scaremongering about hordes of Croats invading the UK to claim our benefits, steal our women etc. If I was Croatian, living alongside the beautiful Adriatic would be much more appealing than the English Channel! s_james

12:20pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Hovite says...

With the lack of nesting opportunities in the city, I think this is fantastic news for birds looking to move into Brighton. Not to mention the added benefit with the extra bird dropping street cleaner jobs it will create.

I think the Greens are spot on with this.
With the lack of nesting opportunities in the city, I think this is fantastic news for birds looking to move into Brighton. Not to mention the added benefit with the extra bird dropping street cleaner jobs it will create. I think the Greens are spot on with this. Hovite

10:26am Mon 4 Mar 13

Kiddon72 says...

Rather than moaning about this and that lets look at the reality.

RSCH is the main trauma centre for Sussex. All serious trauma cases are taken there. Given the lack of Helipad at the hospital these transfers are by road and usually down the A23 corridor.

Whilst a roads "gridlock" in the centre of Brighton will suit the green agenda it will be at the cost of seriously injured peoples lives.

Even with a blue light and siren and ambulance cannot go where there is no room for it.
Rather than moaning about this and that lets look at the reality. RSCH is the main trauma centre for Sussex. All serious trauma cases are taken there. Given the lack of Helipad at the hospital these transfers are by road and usually down the A23 corridor. Whilst a roads "gridlock" in the centre of Brighton will suit the green agenda it will be at the cost of seriously injured peoples lives. Even with a blue light and siren and ambulance cannot go where there is no room for it. Kiddon72

3:48pm Mon 4 Mar 13

johnny le mac says...

This is what happens when you vote the Greens in.
This is what happens when you vote the Greens in. johnny le mac

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