Traumatised Brighton soldier Harry Killick to be sentenced today (From The Argus)

Good luck.

I truly hope the judge sees sense and places you in a treatment program. Prison is NOT the answer.

....Even if you are a 'Squidgy'!!

Send the thief down!

This poor guy needs help,not a prison sentence.Good luck Harry.

The Wolfie wrote:
Send the thief down!

W....R !

He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

The Wolfie wrote:
Send the thief down!

Everyone should ignore this total idiot. They always leave stupid comments...just goes to show what a coward they are..Hiding behind a computer whilst other people are risking their lives.

Never mind Wolfie..one day you might have some courage.
Don't bother replying to this..as I (and others) have learned to ignore kids!

@ wolfie.......how disrespectful of you! This man saw things that people should never see,losing his friends and fighting to save his country!! Maybe you should get your sorry arse out and fight for our country rather than disrespecting a soldier!! Read Harry's story PROPERLY and maybe you will understand! Harry doesn't deserve to be in prison,he needs proper help. Good luck Harry,we're all behind you!

Plantpot wrote:
He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

People cannot be convicted about what COULD have happened. This is not Minority Report!
He is charged with theft and possession of a weapon and ammunition (things that DID happen).
The judge now has to decide on whether the mitigating circumstances allow for lenient sentencing. These being he is suffering from a complex mental issue.
You are right that it will take a lot of medical reports to be read before this decision can be made though!

This is so sad. I really do hope the judge doesn't sentence him to jail as that would be the worst thing that could happen to this poor man. He really does need counselling and help.

The army has really failed him here.

I still don't think he should have been charged by CPS either.

Goodness....how all of this information is falsified!!

This criminal stole a weapon with intentions (of which nobody can be sure of) and PTSD is NOT a justification for committing a crime. I feel for the horrific events that this person put on visiting an innocent person with a gun! Try to imagine how you would feel with being faced with that in your own home!!

Prison is the right place or we would have to ask ourselves the question as to what crime does have to be committed to deserve recompense!

This should not have got to court he should have been helped it was a cry for help,this sort of thing will happen more often as our troop numbers are cut the government is going to rely on reserves but unfortunately this case shows the government is not supporting them in their time of need.The army and the GOVERNMENT have failed on him here.

monkeymoo wrote:

The Wolfie wrote: Send the thief down!

Everyone should ignore this total idiot. They always leave stupid comments...just goes to show what a coward they are..Hiding behind a computer whilst other people are risking their lives. Never mind Wolfie..one day you might have some courage. Don't bother replying to this..as I (and others) have learned to ignore kids!

I think you'll find this guy was risking other people's lives.

Plantpot wrote:
He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

You really are a pillock aren't you? As someone else has said this is not about what he could have done.

Stick to writing stupid comments about your mates Abort67 instead.

Don't think foul mouth talk is necessary Amboguy!!

This criminal admitted himself that he did not know what he was going to do with the weapon! What he "could of done" should be taken into account more than taking pity for his circumstances. Help is needed as any person stealing / using a weapon in this manner is clearly not stable. However, help can and should be given in prison....where he belongs for his wrongs.

Again, it is a stated fact that PTSD is NO EXCUSE FOR CRIME!

AmboGuy wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

You really are a pillock aren't you? As someone else has said this is not about what he could have done.

Stick to writing stupid comments about your mates Abort67 instead.

I'm afraid this is very much about what he could have done, and as usual, you don't read the article and consider the facts. The facts as contained in the story clearly show the guy was in a disturbed state. Because of concerns about his mental state, he wasn't allowed to attend shooting practice in Folkestone. Why would that be? Could it be that there was concern over what might happen if he had a loaded weapon? Seems logical they were concerned that he would either harm himself or others.

He then takes the rifle and turns up at his girlfriends house to get answers as to why they split. When invited in by her brother, he inserts the magazine into the rifle. It doesn't say whether the rifle was subsequently made ready. It is unclear what would have happened had she been there. We'll never know of course.

We should all be grateful for the sacrifice these guys are prepared to make on our behalf. It doesn't mean we can let people wander around nicking weapons and ammo and then claiming stress. It is not unreasonable to detain these people and then treat them as necessary.

I am completely sympathetic to this guy's needs and I hope the judge will take medical reports into consideration when making his judgement.

nicki271 wrote:
@ wolfie.......how disrespectful of you! This man saw things that people should never see,losing his friends and fighting to save his country!! Maybe you should get your sorry arse out and fight for our country rather than disrespecting a soldier!! Read Harry's story PROPERLY and maybe you will understand! Harry doesn't deserve to be in prison,he needs proper help. Good luck Harry,we're all behind you!

So have and do many many other servicemen and women but they don't go around STEALING weapons do they?

He STOLE (not sure which bit of that people don't understand) and as such he must be sentenced for that crime, just the same as anyone else would be.

Or perhaps we can all just expect to get let off our CRIMES because we are ill...

Cave Johnson wrote:

monkeymoo wrote:

The Wolfie wrote: Send the thief down!

Everyone should ignore this total idiot. They always leave stupid comments...just goes to show what a coward they are..Hiding behind a computer whilst other people are risking their lives. Never mind Wolfie..one day you might have some courage. Don't bother replying to this..as I (and others) have learned to ignore kids!

I think you'll find this guy was risking other people's lives.

Please explain where you get this from? He was shown as suicidal before (cliff), and said the rifle was taken to kill himself. The only person who came into contact with Mr Killick when he had the rifle was Mr Lothian...Who said at no time did he feel his life was threatened or in danger.
So...how was he risking other people's lives?

Bullseye180 wrote:
Don't think foul mouth talk is necessary Amboguy!!

This criminal admitted himself that he did not know what he was going to do with the weapon! What he "could of done" should be taken into account more than taking pity for his circumstances. Help is needed as any person stealing / using a weapon in this manner is clearly not stable. However, help can and should be given in prison....where he belongs for his wrongs.

Again, it is a stated fact that PTSD is NO EXCUSE FOR CRIME!

How wrong you are!

By your reasoning, anyone who has had a drink (of alcohol) should be arrested for drink driving....because they COULD always get into a car and drive it.

Or maybe someone with a shotgun licence, and who owns one, should be sent to prison for a bank robbery...because they could have committed one!

As stated before: A person CANNOT be convicted for what they COULD have done, Only what they HAVE done.

Try reading up on some law books!

No need to carry on the comments now anyway...
It's been adjourned to end of April due to it clearly NOT being a simple case of theft (as some of you seem to think).

monkeymoo wrote:
No need to carry on the comments now anyway...
It's been adjourned to end of April due to it clearly NOT being a simple case of theft (as some of you seem to think).

Think you will find that it has been adjourned as new evidence has come to light to prove actual facts. Wouldn't take all you read in the newspapers as the truth. Its simply falsified truth that the naive often believe. Perhaps try reading between the lines!

And secondly.....is stealing a gun not a crime? Obviously i am not that wrong and a prison sentence should be served!!

Plantpot wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

You really are a pillock aren't you? As someone else has said this is not about what he could have done.

Stick to writing stupid comments about your mates Abort67 instead.

I'm afraid this is very much about what he could have done, and as usual, you don't read the article and consider the facts. The facts as contained in the story clearly show the guy was in a disturbed state. Because of concerns about his mental state, he wasn't allowed to attend shooting practice in Folkestone. Why would that be? Could it be that there was concern over what might happen if he had a loaded weapon? Seems logical they were concerned that he would either harm himself or others.

He then takes the rifle and turns up at his girlfriends house to get answers as to why they split. When invited in by her brother, he inserts the magazine into the rifle. It doesn't say whether the rifle was subsequently made ready. It is unclear what would have happened had she been there. We'll never know of course.

We should all be grateful for the sacrifice these guys are prepared to make on our behalf. It doesn't mean we can let people wander around nicking weapons and ammo and then claiming stress. It is not unreasonable to detain these people and then treat them as necessary.

I am completely sympathetic to this guy's needs and I hope the judge will take medical reports into consideration when making his judgement.

Well you sound very unsympathetic to his condition.

There's a lot of 'what ifs' in your post and your comment about nicking weapons and then 'claiming stress' is just plain insulting and shows a complete lack of understanding about PTSD.

jackie1959 wrote:
This poor guy needs help,not a prison sentence.Good luck Harry.

Thank you.People like you give me some hope for this sick world still.Good luck Harry.

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This is so sad. I really do hope the judge doesn't sentence him to jail as that would be the worst thing that could happen to this poor man. He really does need counselling and help.

The army has really failed him here.

I still don't think he should have been charged by CPS either.

Yet another outstanding post.Good to know there are a few understanding people in this city still.

AmboGuy wrote:

Plantpot wrote:

AmboGuy wrote:

Plantpot wrote:
He clearly needs help. However, who knows what could have happened with that rifle had he decided everyone else was to blame for his issues? I suppose this is one where the judge is very reliant on medical reports etc.

You really are a pillock aren't you? As someone else has said this is not about what he could have done.

Stick to writing stupid comments about your mates Abort67 instead.

I'm afraid this is very much about what he could have done, and as usual, you don't read the article and consider the facts. The facts as contained in the story clearly show the guy was in a disturbed state. Because of concerns about his mental state, he wasn't allowed to attend shooting practice in Folkestone. Why would that be? Could it be that there was concern over what might happen if he had a loaded weapon? Seems logical they were concerned that he would either harm himself or others.

He then takes the rifle and turns up at his girlfriends house to get answers as to why they split. When invited in by her brother, he inserts the magazine into the rifle. It doesn't say whether the rifle was subsequently made ready. It is unclear what would have happened had she been there. We'll never know of course.

We should all be grateful for the sacrifice these guys are prepared to make on our behalf. It doesn't mean we can let people wander around nicking weapons and ammo and then claiming stress. It is not unreasonable to detain these people and then treat them as necessary.

I am completely sympathetic to this guy's needs and I hope the judge will take medical reports into consideration when making his judgement.

Well you sound very unsympathetic to his condition.

There's a lot of 'what ifs' in your post and your comment about nicking weapons and then 'claiming stress' is just plain insulting and shows a complete lack of understanding about PTSD.

You are actually becoming quite tiresome.

Here are the facts. A weapon and ammunition were stolen from a TA barracks. This is a serious offence. His mental condition will be taken into consideration when sentencing is passed.

PTSD manifests itself in a number of ways, including anger and aggressiveness. Not a good combo with a loaded assault rifle.

What would you like to disagree with?

Bullseye180 wrote:
Don't think foul mouth talk is necessary Amboguy!!

This criminal admitted himself that he did not know what he was going to do with the weapon! What he "could of done" should be taken into account more than taking pity for his circumstances. Help is needed as any person stealing / using a weapon in this manner is clearly not stable. However, help can and should be given in prison....where he belongs for his wrongs.

Again, it is a stated fact that PTSD is NO EXCUSE FOR CRIME!

This criminal lol.Thats right prison is really going to help this guy.Just watch that tv show thats been on tv over the few weeks.Most come out more mad than they go in.

Bullseye180 wrote:

monkeymoo wrote:
No need to carry on the comments now anyway...
It's been adjourned to end of April due to it clearly NOT being a simple case of theft (as some of you seem to think).

Think you will find that it has been adjourned as new evidence has come to light to prove actual facts. Wouldn't take all you read in the newspapers as the truth. Its simply falsified truth that the naive often believe. Perhaps try reading between the lines!

And secondly.....is stealing a gun not a crime? Obviously i am not that wrong and a prison sentence should be served!!

As you talk about 'reading', i suggest you read my earlier post. where i state Mr. Killick HAS committed a crime, but mitigating circumstances now need to be considered.
I can put it simply for you if you like;

YES theft is a crime.
YES Illegal possession of a firearm and ammunition is a crime.

Both of which Mr. Killick HAS pleaded guilty to.

NOW..The judge has a set guideline for sentencing. This normally starts out at the maximum possible sentence, and then is reduced for any mitigating circumstances. These will include such things as: Early guilty plea, not resisting arrest, manor of person whilst in detention, previous related offences.....and mental state (along with many others).
All of which will bring about a reduction in sentence.

The judge also has a Duty of Care to the defendant (as well as the public) and must pass a sentence that protects both.
Prison probably would not do this as successfully as correct treatment from professionally trained people (such as Combat Stress charity).
A 'suspended sentence' is most likely to achieve all of these points.

I hope this has helped you understand how the justice system works..If you would like any more assistance, please get in touch.

monkeymoo wrote:

Bullseye180 wrote:

monkeymoo wrote:
No need to carry on the comments now anyway...
It's been adjourned to end of April due to it clearly NOT being a simple case of theft (as some of you seem to think).

Think you will find that it has been adjourned as new evidence has come to light to prove actual facts. Wouldn't take all you read in the newspapers as the truth. Its simply falsified truth that the naive often believe. Perhaps try reading between the lines!

And secondly.....is stealing a gun not a crime? Obviously i am not that wrong and a prison sentence should be served!!

As you talk about 'reading', i suggest you read my earlier post. where i state Mr. Killick HAS committed a crime, but mitigating circumstances now need to be considered.
I can put it simply for you if you like;

YES theft is a crime.
YES Illegal possession of a firearm and ammunition is a crime.

Both of which Mr. Killick HAS pleaded guilty to.

NOW..The judge has a set guideline for sentencing. This normally starts out at the maximum possible sentence, and then is reduced for any mitigating circumstances. These will include such things as: Early guilty plea, not resisting arrest, manor of person whilst in detention, previous related offences.....and mental state (along with many others).
All of which will bring about a reduction in sentence.

The judge also has a Duty of Care to the defendant (as well as the public) and must pass a sentence that protects both.
Prison probably would not do this as successfully as correct treatment from professionally trained people (such as Combat Stress charity).
A 'suspended sentence' is most likely to achieve all of these points.

I hope this has helped you understand how the justice system works..If you would like any more assistance, please get in touch.

Thank you that now clears that up.Nothing anymore anyone can say now.This guy does not need prison,just a little bit of help with luck.

Thank you for giving your personal knowledge of the matter and of how you believe the justice system works. Being in the legal profession myself however, and knowing far more truths than yourself, i do not require any further clarification on the matter.

I also have a great understanding of those that DO suffer with PTSD. I have not at any point suggested that this person doesn't need further help (which he clearly does). I am simply stating that in my opinion recompense for the crime that has been committed should be served, whereby the prison service can provide help.

We will all see in the future what lies have been told, how the truth has been hidden and what the outcome may be.