Elm still standing despite Brighton council's Seven Dials revamp starting

The Argus: TREE: Messages of support have been attached to the elem in Vernon Terrace, Hove. TREE: Messages of support have been attached to the elem in Vernon Terrace, Hove.

A historic elm remains standing after workmen moved in to revamp a controversial roundabout.

Contractors from Brighton and Hove City Council began its £1.5 million scheme to improve the Seven Dials junction yesterday.

Campaigners gathered around a tree in Vernon Terrace, Hove, for a number of hours in an attempt to stop it being felled.

Messages of support, such as “I’m a lean green oxygen making machine” have also been stapled to the trunk.

It comes as council leader Jason Kitcat claimed the tree, which is causing damage to the pavement and highway, may have been saved if residents approved the original scheme.

Campaigner Mill Ferguson, of Addison Road, Hove, described the move as “cynical”.

She added residents were due to return to the tree today and continue their vigil.

In a letter to residents, council leader Jason Kitcat said: “It is very sad that this tree has to go.

“We did consult on an option of narrowing the carriageway at that point of Vernon Terrace, to make it a one-way junction with the roundabout, but this was very strongly rejected by the local community.

“There might have been an outside chance that this narrowing would have allowed for retention, but that was not the approach supported by the consultation responses.”

Coun Kitcat added the local authority only removed a tree if absolutely necessary.

Work on the busy junction is set to continue for nine months.

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6:15pm Tue 5 Mar 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

Here we go it's our fault we didn't let them have their own way in narrowing the road and making it one way So pay back We did not agree so we must be punished!! Typical of their only role model authority figure their primary school teachers Detention then? Yes 9 months of misery on a scheme that should take 6 weeks max and they chop down an old and rare tree.
Same bunch are over in Bexhill camping out delaying a needed road scheme lawfully and extensively consulted on while here they block the roads.
Davey/Follett and Kitkat GO NOW and take West with you
Here we go it's our fault we didn't let them have their own way in narrowing the road and making it one way So pay back We did not agree so we must be punished!! Typical of their only role model authority figure their primary school teachers Detention then? Yes 9 months of misery on a scheme that should take 6 weeks max and they chop down an old and rare tree. Same bunch are over in Bexhill camping out delaying a needed road scheme lawfully and extensively consulted on while here they block the roads. Davey/Follett and Kitkat GO NOW and take West with you upsidedowntuctuc

6:30pm Tue 5 Mar 13

fred clause says...

Typical from old chocolate bar its everyone else's fault except his the sooner we get rid of this green mess the better.
Typical from old chocolate bar its everyone else's fault except his the sooner we get rid of this green mess the better. fred clause

7:18pm Tue 5 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
Here we go it's our fault we didn't let them have their own way in narrowing the road and making it one way So pay back We did not agree so we must be punished!! Typical of their only role model authority figure their primary school teachers Detention then? Yes 9 months of misery on a scheme that should take 6 weeks max and they chop down an old and rare tree.
Same bunch are over in Bexhill camping out delaying a needed road scheme lawfully and extensively consulted on while here they block the roads.
Davey/Follett and Kitkat GO NOW and take West with you
Nah ... he didn't say it would have been saved had we agreed the original scheme. He said it may have been saved ... I saw through that school marmy rhetoric when I was three and it still fails to impress me.
[quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: Here we go it's our fault we didn't let them have their own way in narrowing the road and making it one way So pay back We did not agree so we must be punished!! Typical of their only role model authority figure their primary school teachers Detention then? Yes 9 months of misery on a scheme that should take 6 weeks max and they chop down an old and rare tree. Same bunch are over in Bexhill camping out delaying a needed road scheme lawfully and extensively consulted on while here they block the roads. Davey/Follett and Kitkat GO NOW and take West with you[/p][/quote]Nah ... he didn't say it would have been saved had we agreed the original scheme. He said it may have been saved ... I saw through that school marmy rhetoric when I was three and it still fails to impress me. mimseycal

7:29pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Choppa says...

If this magnificent, majestic tree is to be felled, and the local community would allow me. I would like to recycle the timber, rather than the council take it to the furnace. And make a bench to sit in the park behind.
If this magnificent, majestic tree is to be felled, and the local community would allow me. I would like to recycle the timber, rather than the council take it to the furnace. And make a bench to sit in the park behind. Choppa

7:39pm Tue 5 Mar 13

old codger75 says...

I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!!
But not the Brighton Greens
Could only happen here
I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here old codger75

7:43pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Old people, the vulnerable, the poor, trees.
There isn't a group this council wont bulldoze to push through its ideology.
Old people, the vulnerable, the poor, trees. There isn't a group this council wont bulldoze to push through its ideology. Maxwell's Ghost

7:47pm Tue 5 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Old people, the vulnerable, the poor, trees.
There isn't a group this council wont bulldoze to push through its ideology.
Don't forget the fish! Left to die in stagnant water as cleaning the water would have meant maybe dripping some on a cycle track!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Old people, the vulnerable, the poor, trees. There isn't a group this council wont bulldoze to push through its ideology.[/p][/quote]Don't forget the fish! Left to die in stagnant water as cleaning the water would have meant maybe dripping some on a cycle track! mimseycal

8:00pm Tue 5 Mar 13

george smith says...

What is worse two finger kitkats or four finger kitkats
What is worse two finger kitkats or four finger kitkats george smith

9:21pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Dealing with idiots says...

At last people are waking up to the base stupidity of our local green autocrats. Go on chop the tree down and show your true colours to the electorate. Green covering a deeply crimson communist red.
At last people are waking up to the base stupidity of our local green autocrats. Go on chop the tree down and show your true colours to the electorate. Green covering a deeply crimson communist red. Dealing with idiots

10:33pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I don't see communist red, I see cold
Hearted, money driven, rich, selfish, dictators who will bulldoze anyone and anything to get their own way a bit like the poll tax...more Tory.
And look what happened when they wouldn't listen.
I don't see communist red, I see cold Hearted, money driven, rich, selfish, dictators who will bulldoze anyone and anything to get their own way a bit like the poll tax...more Tory. And look what happened when they wouldn't listen. Maxwell's Ghost

10:56pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Mark63 says...

Let's face it, the Greens are screwing B&H up well and truly... obsessed with traffic restrictions while everything else goes to pot... Get them out now!
Let's face it, the Greens are screwing B&H up well and truly... obsessed with traffic restrictions while everything else goes to pot... Get them out now! Mark63

11:27pm Tue 5 Mar 13

leobrighton says...

Big mistake voting for them. They have done nothing for the environmentally friendly cause just a bunch of communists. Never again!
Big mistake voting for them. They have done nothing for the environmentally friendly cause just a bunch of communists. Never again! leobrighton

11:30pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Nellie's Grandson says...

Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here
Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here Nellie's Grandson

11:42pm Tue 5 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

Every forest was once just a tree ;-)
Every forest was once just a tree ;-) mimseycal

11:42pm Tue 5 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

Every forest was once just a tree ;-)
Every forest was once just a tree ;-) mimseycal

11:52pm Tue 5 Mar 13

Fercri Sakes says...

Nellie's Grandson wrote:
Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here
Ha, the hypocrisy of the Argus comments area. If common sense meant knocking the tree down and the Green council tried to prevent it all the negative people here would still be having a go at them.

They'd be calling them lefty commie tree-hungers for trying to preserve the tree and making that road only one way. Ha.
[quote][p][bold]Nellie's Grandson[/bold] wrote: Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here[/p][/quote]Ha, the hypocrisy of the Argus comments area. If common sense meant knocking the tree down and the Green council tried to prevent it all the negative people here would still be having a go at them. They'd be calling them lefty commie tree-hungers for trying to preserve the tree and making that road only one way. Ha. Fercri Sakes

1:44am Wed 6 Mar 13

fredflintstone1 says...

old codger75 wrote:
I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!!
But not the Brighton Greens
Could only happen here
True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place.

Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction.

I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.
[quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here[/p][/quote]True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy. fredflintstone1

7:30am Wed 6 Mar 13

george smith says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
old codger75 wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here
True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.
They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here[/p][/quote]True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies george smith

7:58am Wed 6 Mar 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Nellie's Grandson wrote:
Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here
It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually.

IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case.
[quote][p][bold]Nellie's Grandson[/bold] wrote: Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here[/p][/quote]It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually. IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

10:41am Wed 6 Mar 13

Fercri Sakes says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Nellie's Grandson wrote:
Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here
It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually.

IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case.
Losing the tree will help pedestrians move more freely.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nellie's Grandson[/bold] wrote: Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here[/p][/quote]It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually. IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case.[/p][/quote]Losing the tree will help pedestrians move more freely. Fercri Sakes

11:33am Wed 6 Mar 13

Chaffinch1 says...

@ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it.

Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe.

We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen.

Cut all the trees down and what happens then?
@ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it. Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe. We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen. Cut all the trees down and what happens then? Chaffinch1

11:35am Wed 6 Mar 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Nellie's Grandson wrote:
Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here
It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually.

IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case.
Losing the tree will help pedestrians move more freely.
Then that's not good enough - and I speak as someone whose main way of getting round Brighton is as a pedestrian.

"Not in my name" as they say.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nellie's Grandson[/bold] wrote: Its a bloody tree! The road junction is a nightmare for motorists The Green Party are making motoring easier rejoice you won't read stories like this very often on here[/p][/quote]It's not just a tree, Brighton and Hove have virtually the only mature elms left in Britain, maybe in Europe. We lose a few to disease every year (sadly the ones by the tea rooms in Stanmer Park have now gone), so wait a few years and this one will inevitably go as well as the disease will win eventually. IF I thought that by losing the tree we could have a scheme to enable traffic (yes cars) to move more freely to enable people to travel better then I might agree to losing it a few years before it's time. But I don't think that's going to be the case.[/p][/quote]Losing the tree will help pedestrians move more freely.[/p][/quote]Then that's not good enough - and I speak as someone whose main way of getting round Brighton is as a pedestrian. "Not in my name" as they say. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

12:10pm Wed 6 Mar 13

leobrighton says...

Plenty of room to walk past the tree. Cutting it down doesn't benefit anybody. The area needs more trees not less. There is just no excuse or need to chop it down, it could have another 200 years life left in it yet.
Plenty of room to walk past the tree. Cutting it down doesn't benefit anybody. The area needs more trees not less. There is just no excuse or need to chop it down, it could have another 200 years life left in it yet. leobrighton

12:13pm Wed 6 Mar 13

billy goat-gruff says...

Brighton is one of the few places there are elms left standing - this ancient tree must be saved.... greedy busy humans must make every effort to accommodate it in their plans!
Brighton is one of the few places there are elms left standing - this ancient tree must be saved.... greedy busy humans must make every effort to accommodate it in their plans! billy goat-gruff

12:21pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree.
Only in Brighton..
Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree. Only in Brighton.. Ballroom Blitz

12:26pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Chaffinch1 says...

Brighton is home to the National Elm collection.

Journalist Mark Seddon once wrote that Brighton should be campaigning for UNESCO World Heritage status on the basis of our collection of Elms. But what are we doing? Cutting them down for some road scheme that will probably be abandoned or revamped long before the trees would naturally come to an end.

Come on people - these ancient trees are rare and precious. Let's treasure them - not chop them down.
Brighton is home to the National Elm collection. Journalist Mark Seddon once wrote that Brighton should be campaigning for UNESCO World Heritage status on the basis of our collection of Elms. But what are we doing? Cutting them down for some road scheme that will probably be abandoned or revamped long before the trees would naturally come to an end. Come on people - these ancient trees are rare and precious. Let's treasure them - not chop them down. Chaffinch1

12:53pm Wed 6 Mar 13

billy goat-gruff says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree.
Only in Brighton..
Without trees there'd be no need for an NHS! It is possible to support the NHS and save trees, y'know!
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree. Only in Brighton..[/p][/quote]Without trees there'd be no need for an NHS! It is possible to support the NHS and save trees, y'know! billy goat-gruff

1:04pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Fercri Sakes says...

Chaffinch1 wrote:
@ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it.

Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe.

We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen.

Cut all the trees down and what happens then?
Thanks for the biology lesson. So 'thats' what they do, ha.

I like trees. We should have more of them in the city. But the removal of one old tree, albeit an elm, does not mean I want any more trees removed like you suggest.
[quote][p][bold]Chaffinch1[/bold] wrote: @ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it. Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe. We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen. Cut all the trees down and what happens then?[/p][/quote]Thanks for the biology lesson. So 'thats' what they do, ha. I like trees. We should have more of them in the city. But the removal of one old tree, albeit an elm, does not mean I want any more trees removed like you suggest. Fercri Sakes

1:13pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Al Bion says...

I predict much longer queues of polluting vehicles than at present on approach to this roundabout once the work has finished.
You don't have to be psychic. Just take a look at the Nevill Road/Old Shoreham road junction. Queues now back right up to the Co-op and block the roundabout at the Greyhound Stadium/Co-op exit. That was just a change of lane markings.
I predict much longer queues of polluting vehicles than at present on approach to this roundabout once the work has finished. You don't have to be psychic. Just take a look at the Nevill Road/Old Shoreham road junction. Queues now back right up to the Co-op and block the roundabout at the Greyhound Stadium/Co-op exit. That was just a change of lane markings. Al Bion

3:54pm Wed 6 Mar 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

george smith wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
old codger75 wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here
True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.
They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies
Did Miliband go to Falmer High???
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here[/p][/quote]True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies[/p][/quote]Did Miliband go to Falmer High??? upsidedowntuctuc

5:46pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Ballroom Blitz wrote:
Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree.
Only in Brighton..
We worrys about treea AND the NHS. And other things as well - it's just that this story happens to about a tree, hence the reason the comments are a bit light on NHS concerns. It is possible to have more than one area of concern you know, we're not all single-issue posters!
[quote][p][bold]Ballroom Blitz[/bold] wrote: Our local hospital is not fit for purpose, the NHS is on its knees, and all you lot can do is worry about a tree. Only in Brighton..[/p][/quote]We worrys about treea AND the NHS. And other things as well - it's just that this story happens to about a tree, hence the reason the comments are a bit light on NHS concerns. It is possible to have more than one area of concern you know, we're not all single-issue posters! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

5:47pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Apologies for the awful spelling in the first line!
Apologies for the awful spelling in the first line! Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

5:53pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Fercri Sakes wrote:
Chaffinch1 wrote:
@ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it.

Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe.

We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen.

Cut all the trees down and what happens then?
Thanks for the biology lesson. So 'thats' what they do, ha.

I like trees. We should have more of them in the city. But the removal of one old tree, albeit an elm, does not mean I want any more trees removed like you suggest.
Fair comment. At the end of the day it's not one of the great elms like we have at the Level or Preston Park and I totally accept that occasionally trees have to be cut down for road improvements. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to its removal IF I had sufficient faith in the effectiveness of the scheme. As it is I think we're going to lose a rare tree for nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Fercri Sakes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chaffinch1[/bold] wrote: @ Fercri Sakes: My young daughter and I pass this tree twice a day going to and from school. It doesn't get in our way. We love it. Trees aren't just nature's lamp posts. They play a vital role in producing oxygen for us to breathe. We breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide and then what happens....? The trees take in the carbon dioxide we produce and replace it with fresh oxygen. Cut all the trees down and what happens then?[/p][/quote]Thanks for the biology lesson. So 'thats' what they do, ha. I like trees. We should have more of them in the city. But the removal of one old tree, albeit an elm, does not mean I want any more trees removed like you suggest.[/p][/quote]Fair comment. At the end of the day it's not one of the great elms like we have at the Level or Preston Park and I totally accept that occasionally trees have to be cut down for road improvements. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to its removal IF I had sufficient faith in the effectiveness of the scheme. As it is I think we're going to lose a rare tree for nothing. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit

7:15pm Wed 6 Mar 13

george smith says...

upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
george smith wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
old codger75 wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here
True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.
They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies
Did Miliband go to Falmer High???
No but he did go to a bog standard comprehensive.
[quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here[/p][/quote]True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies[/p][/quote]Did Miliband go to Falmer High???[/p][/quote]No but he did go to a bog standard comprehensive. george smith

7:47pm Wed 6 Mar 13

sunnysea says...

Can't they relocate it? Perhaps to the middle of the roundabout?
Can't they relocate it? Perhaps to the middle of the roundabout? sunnysea

9:01pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Choppa says...

sunnysea wrote:
Can't they relocate it? Perhaps to the middle of the roundabout?
Would be lovely but the roots would run too deep. Even as much underground as over
[quote][p][bold]sunnysea[/bold] wrote: Can't they relocate it? Perhaps to the middle of the roundabout?[/p][/quote]Would be lovely but the roots would run too deep. Even as much underground as over Choppa

9:12pm Wed 6 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

It would be mammoth undertaking to relocate a mature tree; even supposing it is possible.
It would be mammoth undertaking to relocate a mature tree; even supposing it is possible. mimseycal

3:23pm Thu 7 Mar 13

Chazza65 says...

I don't remember being told a tree would be chopped down as a result of seven dials plan - they must have forgotten to tell us!
I don't remember being told a tree would be chopped down as a result of seven dials plan - they must have forgotten to tell us! Chazza65

3:30pm Thu 7 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

Either that or they didn't realise it themselves. Which doesn't say much for the scrutiny given to proposals does it.

On second thoughts, probably best to assume they just omitted to mention the fact then ;-)
Either that or they didn't realise it themselves. Which doesn't say much for the scrutiny given to proposals does it. On second thoughts, probably best to assume they just omitted to mention the fact then ;-) mimseycal

3:33pm Thu 7 Mar 13

virtuoso says...

george smith wrote:
upsidedowntuctuc wrote:
george smith wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
old codger75 wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here
True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.
They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies
Did Miliband go to Falmer High???
No but he did go to a bog standard comprehensive.
Not such a "bog standard" education, actually, for Ed.
"Between 1978 and 1981, Ed Miliband attended Primrose Hill Primary School in Camden and then Haverstock Comprehensive School in Chalk Farm. After completing his O-levels, he worked as an intern to family friend Tony Benn, the MP for Chesterfield.
In 1989, Miliband entered Corpus Christi College, Oxford to read Philosophy, Politics and Economics."
[quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]upsidedowntuctuc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old codger75[/bold] wrote: I thought the elm was a threatened species now due to the Dutch Elm disease and Councils were desperately trying to save them!!! But not the Brighton Greens Could only happen here[/p][/quote]True - they're under threat, but the Greens don't care about them. They appear ideologically opposed to trees. Look all around the city and felling is taking place. Their supporters are out again with their chainsaws, adding to the numbers of elm, ash and other trees already cut down in Wild Park. They are intent on destroying the woodland, displacing nesting birds illegally, and fencing the land to create a sheep farm. They completely ignore the fact that over 1770 people signed a petition opposing further destruction. I think trees represent a permanence in the landscape that this scientifically ignorant, urban, self-absorbed group will never have, and this is why they despise them. They're eco-vandals who deserve to be shown up for their total hypocrisy.[/p][/quote]They are not interested in the environment, they are interested in money and funding, if funding was available to exterminate old ladies they would probably go after it. They are natural Tories, if rumours are to be believed both kitkat and lucas are privately educated toffs, the same as cameron and his cronies[/p][/quote]Did Miliband go to Falmer High???[/p][/quote]No but he did go to a bog standard comprehensive.[/p][/quote]Not such a "bog standard" education, actually, for Ed. "Between 1978 and 1981, Ed Miliband attended Primrose Hill Primary School in Camden and then Haverstock Comprehensive School in Chalk Farm. After completing his O-levels, he worked as an intern to family friend Tony Benn, the MP for Chesterfield. In 1989, Miliband entered Corpus Christi College, Oxford to read Philosophy, Politics and Economics." virtuoso

4:01pm Thu 7 Mar 13

mimseycal says...

Rather a broad degree really; combining as it does study from the three disciplines.

Enough to scratch the surface and seeing as he got an upper second class we must assume that he at least managed to do that ;-)
Rather a broad degree really; combining as it does study from the three disciplines. Enough to scratch the surface and seeing as he got an upper second class we must assume that he at least managed to do that ;-) mimseycal

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