UPDATED: Brighton council could save elm tree set for chop in Seven Dials scheme (From The Argus)
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UPDATED: Brighton council could save elm tree set for chop in Seven Dials scheme
10:47am Thursday 7th March 2013 in News
Two camp out in elm tree set for chop in Seven Dials scheme (picture: Della Collins)
Two campaigners have camped up a tree in a bid to save it from being felled.
The pair shimmied up the elm tree late last night as part of a protest to stop it being chopped down.
The tree, in Vernon Terrace in Hove, is planned to be felled as part of the Seven Dials roundabout work started by the council on Monday.
The scheme is designed to improve safety at the junction, which is notorious for traffic accidents.
A crowd of people offered support to the two tree campers, who were using a pulley system to receive supplies.
Camapigners, including ward councillors who previously supported the widespread changes, have been at the site throughout today.
A statement issued by Brighton and Hove City Council at 4pm said it would consider options around saving the historic tree.
Executive director Geoff Raw said: “There is no question; we need to improve this junction to make it safer for everyone.
"It’s a dangerous spot which has been the site of too many accidents resulting in serious injuries.
"The community-approved design has been widely consulted on, including in a public meeting in December where the need to remove the tree was announced.
"The decision to proceed was taken by the cross-party Transport Committee in January and includes the planting of ten more trees which would see Seven Dials become even greener.
"At the moment the tree to be felled is obstructing people’s view of the junction and oncoming traffic as they cross the road and its root is damaging the footpath, causing accessibility problems.
"Felling a large elm is not a decision taken lightly; it is an absolute last resort. It’s the council’s dedication to our elms which has ensured that we have the finest collection in the country.
"We are listening to concerns and we’re happy to look at and consider alternative proposals."
For full reaction and pictures see tomorrow's Argus.
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Comments(97)
billy goat-gruff
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11:12am Thu 7 Mar 13
Valerie Paynter
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11:18am Thu 7 Mar 13
Was it designed by rote out of a Department of Tranport document of some kind? I bet it WAS!
Template planning I call it.
What is the precise dstance and situation concerning wheelchair/buggy use of the pavement? I want to see a definitive set of photos.
Neddage
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11:26am Thu 7 Mar 13
Its a massive shame this tree is to go, but it is 1 tree, not an entire forest.
Perhaps those protesting should put the same amount of effort into finding an actual job, or if that is too taxing for them, perhaps start protesting for a cause that would actually make a difference and improve the world rather than wasting lots of effort, tax money and time fighting for a complete non-issue.
Charismatic Andrew
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11:31am Thu 7 Mar 13
But they're very vague about the new trees being planted because they say it might not be possible because of underground cabling etc. Plus of course it will take years and years for them to become anywhere near as mature as this one.
whereisthe...?
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11:49am Thu 7 Mar 13
HE says in it "Squatters are middle-class, society-hating, political extremists, who want a dysfunctional medieval wasteland, where an ENGLISH MAN's CASTLE(!) no longer his home."
QUARTER of ALL TORY MP's are LANDLORDS!
'Coincidence'? He outlawed legal squatting = many dying. He's suing website that says so, has 'contacted police'
Tory Argus faithfully prints this hateful cr*p, and 'coincidentally' allows no posting replies!
The kicker is, in the SAME ARTICLE the police say "He hasn't contacted us about suing anyone!"
Spread this and stop this nasty little man!!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10269294.
Anti_squatting_MP_to
_report_web_claim/
yourallnuts
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11:52am Thu 7 Mar 13
Look at the bigger picture and don't be so sentimental about one tree, these improvement to the 7 dials are well overdue, although the 9 months disruption they say it's going to take to complete seems far to long it will be a much safer and pleasant place once complete, with or without the tree.
NickBtn
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11:57am Thu 7 Mar 13
Choppa
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12:09pm Thu 7 Mar 13
BagelCat
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12:09pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Choppa
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12:14pm Thu 7 Mar 13
BagelCat wrote:Are you aware of the crimes overseas your taxes are paying for Sir? Homeless people don't get benefits
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
Fercri Sakes
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12:15pm Thu 7 Mar 13
If the tree is so important to local people could the council not buy a metre or so of the front garden of the adjacent property for pedestrian use?
Maybe local people could have a whip-round. Do you think £30K would do it?
bloggs551
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12:17pm Thu 7 Mar 13
whereisthe...? wrote:Argus also failed to cover the fact that they are the local rag with the largest fall in circulation in the country
ARGUS not allowing posts on its suck up article today on Tory MP Mike Weatherley
HE says in it "Squatters are middle-class, society-hating, political extremists, who want a dysfunctional medieval wasteland, where an ENGLISH MAN's CASTLE(!) no longer his home."
QUARTER of ALL TORY MP's are LANDLORDS!
'Coincidence'? He outlawed legal squatting = many dying. He's suing website that says so, has 'contacted police'
Tory Argus faithfully prints this hateful cr*p, and 'coincidentally' allows no posting replies!
The kicker is, in the SAME ARTICLE the police say "He hasn't contacted us about suing anyone!"
Spread this and stop this nasty little man!!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10269294.
Anti_squatting_MP_to
_report_web_claim/
"The biggest faller was the Newsquest owned Brighton Argus, which fell 19.6 per cent year on year to 19,199"
Fast becoming irrelevant chip wrappings
jwilso
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12:19pm Thu 7 Mar 13
banargustrolls
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12:20pm Thu 7 Mar 13
getThisCoalitionOut
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1:01pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Choppa wrote:You're wrong - homeless people DO get benefits as I well know, the squatters in my mum's house had plenty of money for food, alcohol and drugs.
BagelCat wrote:Are you aware of the crimes overseas your taxes are paying for Sir? Homeless people don't get benefits
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
NickBtn
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1:01pm Thu 7 Mar 13
- supported the removal of a tree for a road scheme
- put in place city wide scheme which will increase pollution (20mph)
- stored fish in skips, resulting in many fish deaths
You wouldn't believe the answer.....
wippasnapper
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1:30pm Thu 7 Mar 13
BeeJam
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1:44pm Thu 7 Mar 13
NickBtn wrote:Lets not forget tried to remove the allotment subsidy (stopped by tories no less) and also failed to act to secure a pathway at stanmer park used for years by local peopel along stanmer houuse, also owned nby the people. this is now a car park for peopel having weddings at stanmer house. greens eh. i and many others were fooled into voting for them - roll on 2015.
Question: Which political party has:
- supported the removal of a tree for a road scheme
- put in place city wide scheme which will increase pollution (20mph)
- stored fish in skips, resulting in many fish deaths
You wouldn't believe the answer.....
leobrighton
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1:46pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Svjennson
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1:52pm Thu 7 Mar 13
If they are worried about traffic tailback into the roundabout I don't think a zebra crossing will improve on the lights already in place. If anything it will be worse, because at busy times with many pedestrians crossing the traffic wont have any priority to move.
Crystal Ball
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2:03pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Fercri Sakes
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2:10pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Svjennson wrote:Currently the Seven Dials is awful to walk around. Pedestrians get about 5% of it to use with traffic getting the other 95%. Something had to be done.
What is wrong with the pedestrian crossing lights anyway? I have used them as a pedestrian and a motorist for 30 years and not had a problem with them.
If they are worried about traffic tailback into the roundabout I don't think a zebra crossing will improve on the lights already in place. If anything it will be worse, because at busy times with many pedestrians crossing the traffic wont have any priority to move.
Plantpot
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2:45pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:There was "consultation" with huge numbers being opposed to the scheme at all, let alone the felling of the tree. The council though had already decided to go ahead with it.
There was a lengthy consultation with the local community about the plans for revamping the Dials, there was plenty of time for people to object.
Its a massive shame this tree is to go, but it is 1 tree, not an entire forest.
Perhaps those protesting should put the same amount of effort into finding an actual job, or if that is too taxing for them, perhaps start protesting for a cause that would actually make a difference and improve the world rather than wasting lots of effort, tax money and time fighting for a complete non-issue.
Plantpot
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2:49pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Fercri Sakes wrote:Nothing had to be done at all. I've lived walked and driven round the Dials for many years, there is no issue, but will be when the "improvements" are finished.
Svjennson wrote:Currently the Seven Dials is awful to walk around. Pedestrians get about 5% of it to use with traffic getting the other 95%. Something had to be done.
What is wrong with the pedestrian crossing lights anyway? I have used them as a pedestrian and a motorist for 30 years and not had a problem with them.
If they are worried about traffic tailback into the roundabout I don't think a zebra crossing will improve on the lights already in place. If anything it will be worse, because at busy times with many pedestrians crossing the traffic wont have any priority to move.
Fercri Sakes
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3:26pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Plantpot wrote:That's funny as there's enough room for two cars to pass each other but not two people at many areas. That tree part especially.
Fercri Sakes wrote:Nothing had to be done at all. I've lived walked and driven round the Dials for many years, there is no issue, but will be when the "improvements" are finished.
Svjennson wrote:Currently the Seven Dials is awful to walk around. Pedestrians get about 5% of it to use with traffic getting the other 95%. Something had to be done.
What is wrong with the pedestrian crossing lights anyway? I have used them as a pedestrian and a motorist for 30 years and not had a problem with them.
If they are worried about traffic tailback into the roundabout I don't think a zebra crossing will improve on the lights already in place. If anything it will be worse, because at busy times with many pedestrians crossing the traffic wont have any priority to move.
Chazza65
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3:31pm Thu 7 Mar 13
PJW Brighton
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3:32pm Thu 7 Mar 13
BagelCat wrote:One of them is a Barrister,and the other runs a local business employing several people. No benefits being claimed, but plenty of tax to pay for the services that you use.
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
Tedious Pedant
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3:37pm Thu 7 Mar 13
PJW Brighton wrote:Fancy that! People on this site jumping to conclusions.
BagelCat wrote:One of them is a Barrister,and the other runs a local business employing several people. No benefits being claimed, but plenty of tax to pay for the services that you use.
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
jesss2012
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3:51pm Thu 7 Mar 13
LongDistanceRunner2
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4:00pm Thu 7 Mar 13
RottingdeanRant
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4:45pm Thu 7 Mar 13
NickBtn
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4:53pm Thu 7 Mar 13
RottingdeanRant wrote:Yes. Dr Lucas needs to distance herself from some of the activities of the B&HC greens if she is to stand any chance of being re-elected.....
Had to laugh when I heard on the local radio that Caroline Lucas has jumped on the bandwagon and says she supports the protestors! So I assume she new nothing about this plan until today!!
punt clunderer
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5:49pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Tedious Pedant
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5:56pm Thu 7 Mar 13
RottingdeanRant wrote:The Elm tree is supporting the protestors.
Had to laugh when I heard on the local radio that Caroline Lucas has jumped on the bandwagon and says she supports the protestors! So I assume she new nothing about this plan until today!!
MarkBrighton
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6:00pm Thu 7 Mar 13
BagelCat wrote:I've just come back.. one of the guys up the tree is the director of a local company.. The support guy is a barrister...
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
BageCat.. these guys probably pay more in tax than you earn.
Hoarder12345444
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6:42pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Hoarder12345444
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6:47pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Choppa
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6:55pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Hoarder12345444 wrote:Bless you Sir, hope your condition clears up soon
I cannot believe it!! ONE TREE!!!??? My word. Nice to be able to have time off work to live up a tree eh. I hope the fools freeze when it gets cold, idiots.
Idontbelieveit1948
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7:55pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Hoarder12345444 wrote:Follow the pigeons example !
How would one have a number 2's up a tree?
paul fish
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9:00pm Thu 7 Mar 13
JoePara
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9:41pm Thu 7 Mar 13
MarkBrighton
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9:57pm Thu 7 Mar 13
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Valerie Paynter
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10:47pm Thu 7 Mar 13
yourallnuts wrote:I'm wondering what evidence you have that allows you to STATE with CERTAINTY that the implemented changes to how Seven Dials will result in 'improvements'.
Chop it down...with the tree huggers still up it!
Look at the bigger picture and don't be so sentimental about one tree, these improvement to the 7 dials are well overdue, although the 9 months disruption they say it's going to take to complete seems far to long it will be a much safer and pleasant place once complete, with or without the tree.
Sometimes just using the word 'improvements' is not enough, is a handy term to deploy which MAY lead to improvements and MAY make things worse.
Seven Dials and traffic just do not go together.
rolivan
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10:51pm Thu 7 Mar 13
localvocal
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10:57pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Its not rocket science, the tree is in the way, the tree is potentially putting people at risk. ITS A TREE!
Get a life, get an axe, move on!
Disruption to roads at a huge cost to the tax payer because a tree hugger decides to 'attempt' to save a tree rather than put safety first.
Lets hope the tree huggers get a good soaking tonight, at least they will get some form of a wash!!!!!!
yourallnuts
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11:39pm Thu 7 Mar 13
Valerie Paynter wrote:I don't have any evidence whatsoever but in my opinion most of the alterations must be a good thing for safety and the overall look of the area, although I preferred the option that made Vernon Terrace one way and would probably have meant the tree could have stayed without it causing as much of a problem.
yourallnuts wrote: Chop it down...with the tree huggers still up it! Look at the bigger picture and don't be so sentimental about one tree, these improvement to the 7 dials are well overdue, although the 9 months disruption they say it's going to take to complete seems far to long it will be a much safer and pleasant place once complete, with or without the tree.I'm wondering what evidence you have that allows you to STATE with CERTAINTY that the implemented changes to how Seven Dials will result in 'improvements'. Sometimes just using the word 'improvements' is not enough, is a handy term to deploy which MAY lead to improvements and MAY make things worse. Seven Dials and traffic just do not go together.
So when you say "Seven Dials and traffic just do not go together" are you trying to say it should be pedestrianised?
paulconnorkearns
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12:18am Fri 8 Mar 13
It is potentially dangerous but what I do is exercise due diligence and care proprtionate to the risk so that both myself and others remain safe.
To Needage and other posters above I personally know some of the protestors and they do have jobs, good jobs, as it happens, and they generally make a positive contribution to the local community. So, better not to air your lazy minds and prejudice in a public forum.
Somethingsarejustwrong
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5:46am Fri 8 Mar 13
whereisthe...? wrote:Here we go again, yet another ridiculous post from someone who can be relied upon to miss the true point of a story and then take a minority position of nonsensical proportions.
ARGUS not allowing posts on its suck up article today on Tory MP Mike Weatherley
HE says in it "Squatters are middle-class, society-hating, political extremists, who want a dysfunctional medieval wasteland, where an ENGLISH MAN's CASTLE(!) no longer his home."
QUARTER of ALL TORY MP's are LANDLORDS!
'Coincidence'? He outlawed legal squatting = many dying. He's suing website that says so, has 'contacted police'
Tory Argus faithfully prints this hateful cr*p, and 'coincidentally' allows no posting replies!
The kicker is, in the SAME ARTICLE the police say "He hasn't contacted us about suing anyone!"
Spread this and stop this nasty little man!!
http://www.theargus.
co.uk/news/10269294.
Anti_squatting_MP_to
_report_web_claim/
Keep spouting your nonsense, it provides reassurance that the majority of us have got it right.
Dealing with idiots
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8:25am Fri 8 Mar 13
fredflintstone1
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10:18am Fri 8 Mar 13
All this in a public park given to the people of Brighton (or at least that's what the sign says at the entrance to the park).
This particular battle at the Dials may be nearly won, but the need to protect trees from the Green's chainsaws around the city is far from over.
Neddage
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10:19am Fri 8 Mar 13
I live right on the dials, very close to the tree. I and the other residents are already going to have to endure 9 months of disruption, with works that are scheduled to finish 2 weeks before Christmas, the last week of which involves work continuing throughout the night.
So now these short sighted morons who seem incapable of seeing the bigger picture and are delaying things further meaning things are going to overrun and what is meant to be a relaxing festive time to spend with family over Christmas is going to involve digging, hammering and god knows what else right though out the night over the entire festive period due to the delays they have caused.
So, perhaps if someone can let me know the names, work places and addresses of the supposed barrister and company owner up the bloody tree I can return the inconvenience to them at a later date. Perhaps sit outside their house overnight banging a drum throughout Christmas and protesting about their selfish actions outside their places of work.
If they are still up there tomorrow I feel like getting the **** chainsaw out and cutting the tree down myself with them still up it, or turning the jet washer on them and watching them freeze to death.
Neddage
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10:22am Fri 8 Mar 13
Although I mainly blame the students for the Greens getting in.
jbo2013
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10:43am Fri 8 Mar 13
Neddage
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10:51am Fri 8 Mar 13
The cars go too fast and more often than not it is pedestrians trying to cross the road without waiting for the lights but either way if the tree wasn't there I can guarantee less accidents would have happened as the cars would have seen the pedestrians those crucial few seconds earlier.
localvocal
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11:07am Fri 8 Mar 13
They can then go and disrupt another project, they cannot win and must not be allowed to disrupt plans that will protect a greater community.
Tree huggers cause so much disruption and cost the taxpayers money, all for a tree that is ridiculously out of place and causing danger.
Whats the preference?, a loss of a tree or a loss of a life?.
If these people actually have jobs and actually want to do any good then perhaps they can sacrifice their wages to cover the costs that they are inevitably going to be coming out of decent folks council tax contributions!
NickBtn
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11:40am Fri 8 Mar 13
jbo2013 wrote:The tree doesn't block views for cars (as the council claims, if so the house behind it does too).
For those saying the tree doesnt block views etc., I am sorry to say, that the tree would prevent vehicles approaching the zebra crossing that is being installed seeing pedestrians waiting there to cross. If you take the time to look at Department of Transport's guide to installing zebra crossings etc., you will see that obstacles can not be in front of crossings. The only time you can keep obstacles is to build the pavement out beyond it. Sadly, there is no room to do this as it makes the road too narrow. Also with it being on a roundabout, the cars joining from the left, even a stepped out pavement would still restrict those joining from that road. It is sad, but there are too many near misses on this junction to warrant the tree staying and us all having to risk our lives crossing this road each day. If I am right in thinking the protester up the tree is a seasoned pro at doing these things, and I would ask where he lives the rest of the time, because if he does not cross this junction every day of the week, like the local residents have to, he has no right to delay our improvements.
The tree does block views for a zebra crossing so tree and zebra do not work. However the tree could stay with a pelican crossing (just like the one that's there now). Isn't that a simple solution?
Neddage
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11:50am Fri 8 Mar 13
Many accidents have occurred there, mainly due to the pedestrians crossing on a red man I admit. However if the tree wasn't there, the motorists would have seen people doing this and been able to stop.
hannover seagull
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1:51pm Fri 8 Mar 13
I bet no-one woud climb on the roof to save it.
Flippin Burghers
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2:31pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal
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2:44pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Flippin Burghers wrote:And that matters why?
Vernon Terrace is in Brighton not Hove, you morons.
Almost as much of a waste of time posting that comment as it is being a tree hugger up the tree!.
Bring it down, bring them down and find something to charge the tree hugging time wasters with
BURIRAM
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3:01pm Fri 8 Mar 13
BagelCat wrote:I think one of them up the tree is the old big lemon bus owner, should not be on benefits
The tree should come down with them on it. Two less people for my tax to pay their benefits.
localvocal
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3:25pm Fri 8 Mar 13
He needs pulling down along with the tree, time that somebody makes an example of these people.
taman
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3:26pm Fri 8 Mar 13
mailjack8nh@rocketmail.co
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3:45pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal
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3:49pm Fri 8 Mar 13
One tree is really not going to impact the planet!, especially as new trees will be planted in locations where they actually belong.
The ridiculous overuse of GREEN is really making this pathetic protest even more laughable.
Especially when it is a question of safety, so if we insist on quoting GREEN would people prefer RED blood of innocent pedestrians / drivers?
Whatever happened to common sense as it clearly is not that common.
Get a life and stop wasting everybodys time and money.
ITS A TREE!
Flippin Burghers
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4:11pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mr Brighton
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4:55pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Commom sense please.
Mr Brighton
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4:57pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Mr Brighton wrote:ahave= have
Please save our Elm tree at the 7 Dials. Its 150 years old and in good health and we ahave a green council.
Commom sense please.
BornInBrighton1968
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5:08pm Fri 8 Mar 13
taman wrote:Green council wants to destroy the South Downs by building TEN gypsy camps
Fish murder in preston rockery chopping down 100 year old elms dont sound very GREEN to me
PorkBoat
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5:09pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:You're lying again.
In the 6 years I have lived at the dials, I've seen at least 15-20 accidents on that crossing where people have been hit by cars coming out of Dyke Road and going straight down Vernon Terrace.
The cars go too fast and more often than not it is pedestrians trying to cross the road without waiting for the lights but either way if the tree wasn't there I can guarantee less accidents would have happened as the cars would have seen the pedestrians those crucial few seconds earlier.
Neddage
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5:27pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Perhaps in my temporary rage earlier I have exaggerated the number but I've certainly witnessed the aftermath of a considerable number of accidents on/near that crossing. Which is right outside my house.
peterthomas
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5:28pm Fri 8 Mar 13
ed when contravening regulations - cyclists go unpunished. I have never seen or heard a resaones answer as to why that is the case?
Neddage
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5:28pm Fri 8 Mar 13
I'd rather see the tree saved that cut down, however the best course of action to prevent harm is to remove it.
PorkBoat
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5:40pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:So you were lying then?
If you wish to come to that conclusion then so be it PorkBoat. "you're lying" isn't a particularly intelligent or constructive comment.
Perhaps in my temporary rage earlier I have exaggerated the number but I've certainly witnessed the aftermath of a considerable number of accidents on/near that crossing. Which is right outside my house.
Neddage
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5:46pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal
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6:05pm Fri 8 Mar 13
The simple fact is that the soap dodging tree huggers need to be ripped down along with the tree.
If all that people have to worry about is a tree then I am pleased you have such simple lifes!.
PorkBoat
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6:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal wrote:You like to use the word "simple" a lot. Did you pick it up when you overheard people describing you?
There is a simple lack of intelligence in general from many of the folk on here!
The simple fact is that the soap dodging tree huggers need to be ripped down along with the tree.
If all that people have to worry about is a tree then I am pleased you have such simple lifes!.
toldsloth
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6:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal wrote:Isn't it amazing how small minded and ignorant people on this forum can be? The two "soap dodgers" are professional working people. I'm pretty sure that as one of them is a barrister, somebody would have said something to him regarding the requirements for personal hygene to be maintained in court by now.
There is a simple lack of intelligence in general from many of the folk on here!
The simple fact is that the soap dodging tree huggers need to be ripped down along with the tree.
If all that people have to worry about is a tree then I am pleased you have such simple lifes!.
I have other things to worry about than a tree but I AM worried about THAT tree and think the green council should be ashamed of itself. This does not block the view of the junction and even if it does MOVE THE **** CROSSING!!! For crying out loud its not rocket science is it people? Design AROUND the tree - its a mature ELM and must be protected at all costs, especially given the number we have lost in the past few years in Preston Park alone.
hannover seagull
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7:05pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Look what happened to Elm Grove
paulconnorkearns
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8:55pm Fri 8 Mar 13
localvocal
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9:01pm Fri 8 Mar 13
Well there are plenty of costs being incurred because of this tree.
If one of the tree huggers is a barrister then shame on him, i really dont care what walk of life they are from but I (along with many many others) resent these idiots disrupting progress, all in the name of the environment.
More trees will be planted and they will be planted where they belong.
Whatever nonsense carrys on will not stop the removal, it will cause delays and cost a fortune but ultimately IT WILL BE REMOVED.
It may take time to go through the courts and I hope the tree huggers are proud of themeselves for wasting the taxpayers money.
I await the day the tree huggers are removed and will be there to see the tree drop and to applaud the authorities for doing the right thing.
Bring them down, bring down the tree and impose injunctions on the tree huggers before they move on to other essential projects such as Bexhill - Hastings link road!
Give up now, the tree WILL be taken down, the council will play your games for a couple of weeks but the contractors will be on standby to react the second these tree huggers are forcibly removed from the tree as a result of legal action.
localvocal
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9:16pm Fri 8 Mar 13
PorkBoat wrote:PorkBoat
localvocal wrote:You like to use the word "simple" a lot. Did you pick it up when you overheard people describing you?
There is a simple lack of intelligence in general from many of the folk on here!
The simple fact is that the soap dodging tree huggers need to be ripped down along with the tree.
If all that people have to worry about is a tree then I am pleased you have such simple lifes!.
What a funny person you are, great to see such useful content
At least it was more than the 5 words that you used in your highly useful comment before that!
paulconnorkearns
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9:28pm Fri 8 Mar 13
The obvious one is to move the crossing further down the road so that both drivers and pedestrians have plenty of time to see each other. If people then exercise care there should be a reduction in accidents.
Such a change would also be relatively cheap.
localvocal
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9:52pm Fri 8 Mar 13
The crossing cannot be moved unless it is placed around 200 yards into vernon terrace due to the junction. If this were to be moved then many people would not use it and be in even greater danger.
Take away the tree, repair the pavement and the barrier and its done.
The point is that the council have got to stand strong on this or we will forever be at the mercy of protesters who are protesting for something that really is not going to end the world if its gone.
paulconnorkearns
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10:07pm Fri 8 Mar 13
In your opinion it is 'just' a tree. People aren't missing the point because they have a different opinion to yours.
If certain people choose not to use a relocated crossing because of minor inconvenience then there is probably little you could do to make the roads safer for for those people, other than banning those from crossing roads!
Protest is part of living in a democracy. True it can, at times, cause inconvenience and be a pain in the proverbial but, in my opinion, it's better to have that right than not.
thevoiceoftruth
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11:39am Sat 9 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:I have to take issue with you here. It is the responsibility of a pedestrian to cross the road safely - if there is a tree in the way, or a large bus or van, it is sensible to stand on the other side of the obstruction so you can clearly see when it is safe to cross. Plus, there is a pedestrian crossing. Do we really have to pander to the stupid and cut down a healthy elm tree simply because some people do not have basic road sense?
The tree most certainly does block views for motorists coming out of Dyke Road and turning left into Vernon terrace.
Many accidents have occurred there, mainly due to the pedestrians crossing on a red man I admit. However if the tree wasn't there, the motorists would have seen people doing this and been able to stop.
Sevensisters
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2:49pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Dealing with idiots
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8:45pm Sat 9 Mar 13
Plantpot
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8:02am Sun 10 Mar 13
PorkBoat wrote:Even if Neddage's claim were true (which it isn't) surely you have to look at accidents in context. If you take the number of accidents and compare them to the number of times the lights are used, the proportion is absolutely miniscule.
Neddage wrote:You're lying again.
In the 6 years I have lived at the dials, I've seen at least 15-20 accidents on that crossing where people have been hit by cars coming out of Dyke Road and going straight down Vernon Terrace.
The cars go too fast and more often than not it is pedestrians trying to cross the road without waiting for the lights but either way if the tree wasn't there I can guarantee less accidents would have happened as the cars would have seen the pedestrians those crucial few seconds earlier.
Crossing the road is a basic life skill, yet the tree is under threat because 0000000000000000000.
1% of people are too stupid or too lazy to cross properly. In fact apply that to the whole Dials traffic spite scheme.
mimseycal
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8:27am Sun 10 Mar 13
stan3
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7:16pm Sun 10 Mar 13
yourallnuts wrote:Here, Here! I ventured down on Friday to see what all the fuss was about, I must say, everyone down there was rather smelly.
Chop it down...with the tree huggers still up it!
Look at the bigger picture and don't be so sentimental about one tree, these improvement to the 7 dials are well overdue, although the 9 months disruption they say it's going to take to complete seems far to long it will be a much safer and pleasant place once complete, with or without the tree.
Joshiman
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12:46pm Mon 11 Mar 13
rolivan
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4:22pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:Why would you do that just driving in a circle or too lazy to walk to the shops?
The tree most certainly does block views for motorists coming out of Dyke Road and turning left into Vernon terrace.
Many accidents have occurred there, mainly due to the pedestrians crossing on a red man I admit. However if the tree wasn't there, the motorists would have seen people doing this and been able to stop.
rolivan
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4:26pm Mon 11 Mar 13
Sevensisters wrote:I agree thats why I put in a ref to a picture in the James Gray Collection also at the Aquarium and Preston Circus however there aren't many of us left who would remember
This tree was there when the roundabout was larger, before it was made smaller. It wasnt in the way then. Leave it be.
rolivan
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4:32pm Mon 11 Mar 13
hannover seagull wrote:Yes just completely Tarmacked the grass verges either side I think it was in the 60s before that the Trolley buses needed more space so I think they changed it even more in the 30s I will look at some photos in the James Gray Collection
Beware
Look what happened to Elm Grove
Ihopenoonehasthisusername
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12:33pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Neddage wrote:How about the pedestrians wait for the lights? Problem solved.
In the 6 years I have lived at the dials, I've seen at least 15-20 accidents on that crossing where people have been hit by cars coming out of Dyke Road and going straight down Vernon Terrace.
The cars go too fast and more often than not it is pedestrians trying to cross the road without waiting for the lights but either way if the tree wasn't there I can guarantee less accidents would have happened as the cars would have seen the pedestrians those crucial few seconds earlier.
mutuality says...
11:01am Thu 7 Mar 13