Elmgate saga could be over by the afternoon, tree protesters claim (From The Argus)

This is good news, and congratulations to those involved. But let's not forget how the Council with their volunteer friends are felling trees now in Wild Park, where hundreds - including elms, oaks and ash - have been cut down, and permanent fencing now installed to create a sheep farm. AND this work is being carried out during the bird nesting season.

All this in a public park given to the people of Brighton (or at least that's what the sign says at the entrance to the park).

This particular battle at the Dials may be nearly won, but the need to protect trees from the Green's chainsaws around the city is far from over.

Is this the same Mr.Druitt who tops up his green fuel with dirty diesel but forgot to tell us for years?

Is this an act of atonement?

Even their own party has turned against Davey and Follett. Kitkat's absurd rhetoric saying it was everyone else's fault has worked with his party so U turn time.
Funny less than 700 signatures against cutting a tree equals U turn
over 1000 against 20 mph ignored!

Good news about the Vernon Terrace elm and gratitude to those who stuck up for it.Although the Bird Nesting season doesn't officially start until 31st march it is well known that birds can start nesting well before this and any area must be inspected for nests at all times of the year something that hasn't been done at Wild park apparently clearly in breach of the Wildlife & Countryside Act.I believe Defra is meant to enforce this but any police officer has a duty to uphold the law and look into it...

Sorry ,meant to say march 1st( start of the Bird Nesting season)

Yes, Great work.

Thanks for causing even more disruption to local residents and preventing improvements to a dangerous junction.

Now off you pop to fill up your Green buses on Diesel.

Well done lads!

Martha and Neddage, Big Lemon only top up with diesel on days when freezing overnight temperatures means the biofuel turns to margarine. They are one of the most ethical companies in the city.

Eugenius wrote:
Well done lads!

Martha and Neddage, Big Lemon only top up with diesel on days when freezing overnight temperatures means the biofuel turns to margarine. They are one of the most ethical companies in the city.

Completely understand that, I have used them a lot in the past, although no more.

What I object too however is them lying about it and then going on a pathetic campaign like this without any thought for how it effects the actual residents.

Neddage wrote:

Eugenius wrote:
Well done lads!

Martha and Neddage, Big Lemon only top up with diesel on days when freezing overnight temperatures means the biofuel turns to margarine. They are one of the most ethical companies in the city.

Completely understand that, I have used them a lot in the past, although no more.

What I object too however is them lying about it and then going on a pathetic campaign like this without any thought for how it effects the actual residents.

I'm a resident, and I'll be delighted if the Elm is saved. I'd also be delighted if the Greens listen to the residents and stop any work on the so-called "improvements" to the Dials, which appear to be being done out of spite to motorists - which of course will lead to unintended consequences, such as pollution, congestion, rat running side streets and preventing the blind and disabled from navigating the dials.

Don't get me wrong, it is a great shame to see the tree go.

However they have had many months of consultation where residents were listened too and the original scheme amended based on residents views.

This is a democracy, residents spoke, plans were amended. Why do these muppets think their views are more important than the majority of local residents?

That junction in particular is very dangerous, a large part of which is down to the tree restricting visibility.

fredflintstone1 wrote:
This is good news, and congratulations to those involved. But let's not forget how the Council with their volunteer friends are felling trees now in Wild Park, where hundreds - including elms, oaks and ash - have been cut down, and permanent fencing now installed to create a sheep farm. AND this work is being carried out during the bird nesting season.

All this in a public park given to the people of Brighton (or at least that's what the sign says at the entrance to the park).

This particular battle at the Dials may be nearly won, but the need to protect trees from the Green's chainsaws around the city is far from over.

Her, her

since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

Saving the tree would only mean moving the crossing a yard or two down Vernon Terrace to improve visibility. The disruption to the pavement is no worse that around almost any other mature tree in brighton. This is such a simple solution, it just requires a small U-turn for the majority party!

John Steed wrote:
since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

Neddage wrote:
If anyone would like to let Tom Druitt know exactly what they think regarding the disruption he is causing us residents, his contact details are:

Facebook: https://www.facebook

.com/tomdruitt

Twitter: https://twitter.com/

tomdruitt

Email: tomdruitt@thebiglemo

n.com

Mobile: 07766 335506

I think perhaps I'll be calling him throughout the night for the next 9 months to give him updates on how he has disrupted my life and other residents.

Wow, Neddage. So much anger...

If you're going to become a scary stalker, I suggest you don't advertise it on a public forum first.

Neddage wrote:
Yes, Great work.

Thanks for causing even more disruption to local residents and preventing improvements to a dangerous junction.

Now off you pop to fill up your Green buses on Diesel.

Pardon the pun but any junction is dangerous because of the idiots users its not the junction that is the problem so no end of Improvements will make any different to the junctions safety! So stick that in your pipe for disruption.

Don't disagree entirely with you wippasnapper, the main cause is the users which is almost impossible to change.

However I do disagree that improvements wouldn't help, you can lessen the issue by making improvements to things such as visibility.

Eugenius claims the BL as 'one of the most ethical companies in the city'. Meretricious yes, sententious certainly ...but ethical? How?

Plantpot wrote:

Neddage wrote:

Eugenius wrote:
Well done lads!

Martha and Neddage, Big Lemon only top up with diesel on days when freezing overnight temperatures means the biofuel turns to margarine. They are one of the most ethical companies in the city.

Completely understand that, I have used them a lot in the past, although no more.

What I object too however is them lying about it and then going on a pathetic campaign like this without any thought for how it effects the actual residents.

I'm a resident, and I'll be delighted if the Elm is saved. I'd also be delighted if the Greens listen to the residents and stop any work on the so-called "improvements" to the Dials, which appear to be being done out of spite to motorists - which of course will lead to unintended consequences, such as pollution, congestion, rat running side streets and preventing the blind and disabled from navigating the dials.

“Preventing the blind and disabled from navigating the dials” would that not come under some sort of “Disability Discrimination Act”
http://www.nidirect.
gov.uk/the-disabilit
y-discrimination-act
-dda

What’s more ridiculous are NO railings to prevent young children from running into the road i.e. segregating road users from the pavement like cyclists who have no regards to pedestrians using the pavement.

I think its great when people feel so strongly about something and actually do something about it.It reminds me how the british used to be now if we speak our mind its wrong.

I really hope the tree is saved. There must be a way to work around it!

Neddage wrote:
Don't get me wrong, it is a great shame to see the tree go.

However they have had many months of consultation where residents were listened too and the original scheme amended based on residents views.

This is a democracy, residents spoke, plans were amended. Why do these muppets think their views are more important than the majority of local residents?

That junction in particular is very dangerous, a large part of which is down to the tree restricting visibility.

“Tree restricting visibility” O’ come on please stop it with your ideology the tree isn’t restriction anyone’s visibility i.e. if your coming out of Vernon Rd you have more than anoth visibility to your left to witch you should be looking if you can’t see traffic coming from your left then you need a eye test!

billy goat-gruff wrote:
Saving the tree would only mean moving the crossing a yard or two down Vernon Terrace to improve visibility. The disruption to the pavement is no worse that around almost any other mature tree in brighton. This is such a simple solution, it just requires a small U-turn for the majority party!

Totally agree the so called powers that be could easily resolve things like this im only pleased we still have people willing to take action in what they believe in.Councils and governments these days are CORRUPT they say one thing to get our votes then ignore us when in power,the onlt time they listen is when we protest something the british are really bad at these days.

Neddage wrote:

John Steed wrote:
since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

It’s only dangerous if people are not looking before they cross or motorists just not looking ahead i.e. paying attention to all the hazards.

Neddage wrote:

John Steed wrote:
since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

You've personally witnessed 15-20 (vague) people being run over at that pelican crossing??

1. Are you sitting there all day?
2. You blame that all on the tree??
3. Its total rubbish anyway you are making it up..

The Councils own document on the accident record at Seven Dials shows 41 accidents in the last 5 years and only 5 of those accidents involved a pedestrian;

http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/download
s/bhcc/transport/lst
f/4365_Seven_Dials_D
isplay_Boards.V3.pdf

Neddage wrote:

John Steed wrote:
since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

No, you haven't, you're talking out of your arse.

Blimey, have the greens mobilised a load of their "supporters" to populate the Ragus comments pages with pro-green comments?

Time for an FOI request me thinks

Might be saved for now, but you can guarantee that some one will back a digger or truck into accidently during the works and it will need to be felled.

Would also like to agree with other posters that there is nothing wrong with the junction. It is just aimed to cause maximum disruption as the work will go on over the summer holidays when tourism is at its peak, and the perfect excuse to introduce congestion charging because of all the stationary traffic it will cause.

wippasnapper wrote:

Neddage wrote:

John Steed wrote:
since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

It’s only dangerous if people are not looking before they cross or motorists just not looking ahead i.e. paying attention to all the hazards.

Wippasnapper: Exactly, people don't look properly and motorists don't look/drive properly. The problem is enhanced by the tree limiting visibility. I'm talking about cars coming into Vernon Terrace from the roundabout not out of it to join the roundabout.

Human error/misjudgement is main cause of the accidents, however that doesn't mean you shouldn't implement other preventative measures to reduce the risk of harm. People cause fires by carelessness but that doesn't mean we shouldn't install fire alarms and smoke detectors does it?

MarkBrighton: Of course I am not there all day, I live right near there though and when I start seeing flashing blue lights through the window I look out and see what's going on. I certainly do not blame it all on the tree, but it doesn't help. I've seen both pedestrians and cyclists run over right on that crossing multiple times.

I suspect because cars come out of the one-way section of Dyke Road far too fast and round the corner into Vernon terrace where only at the last minute do they see the bike/person in the road and don't have enough time to stop. The tree blocks visibility for the cars doing this and also the pedestrians crossing from the south side to the North who are foolish enough to ignore the pelican crossing and dart across the road.

Easily solved by moving the crossing.

PDF shows all the accidents.

http://www.brighton-

hove.gov.uk/download

s/bhcc/transport/lst

f/4365_Seven_Dials_D

isplay_Boards.V3.pdf

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Blimey, have the greens mobilised a load of their "supporters" to populate the Ragus comments pages with pro-green comments?

Time for an FOI request me thinks

The Argus always censors any comments about Jason Kitcat and his desire to build an array of radio telescopes on the South Downs to listen for messages from alien civilisations (check his website for verification).

Methinks Green supporters at the Argus deliberately remove any anti- Green Party comments

Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

fredflintstone1 wrote:
This is good news, and congratulations to those involved. But let's not forget how the Council with their volunteer friends are felling trees now in Wild Park, where hundreds - including elms, oaks and ash - have been cut down, and permanent fencing now installed to create a sheep farm. AND this work is being carried out during the bird nesting season.

All this in a public park given to the people of Brighton (or at least that's what the sign says at the entrance to the park).

This particular battle at the Dials may be nearly won, but the need to protect trees from the Green's chainsaws around the city is far from over.

Spot on. They're even putting their own propaganda notices up there now saying that there was a 'majority in favour', when a clear majority of the Wild Park users (of which I am one) were totally opposed.

The thing is about this, if they fall out and break their necks I bet you, if they survive, they will try and sue the council for some negligence.

Bloody freaks. If you really really love a tree so much to want it not to be chopped down you'd rather swap a nice warm bed (which you obviously do have) for a wet, cold, uncomfortable tree bed. Go for it. Most people think you are idiots and just want the tree cut down.

Certainly welcome to your opinion plantpot.

I am however just relaying what I have seen occur with my own eyes over the last 6/7 years whilst I have been living on this exact section of road.

Not sure most of the people commenting on here even live anywhere near the dials.

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:

Phani Tikkala wrote:
Blimey, have the greens mobilised a load of their "supporters" to populate the Ragus comments pages with pro-green comments?

Time for an FOI request me thinks

The Argus always censors any comments about Jason Kitcat and his desire to build an array of radio telescopes on the South Downs to listen for messages from alien civilisations (check his website for verification).

Methinks Green supporters at the Argus deliberately remove any anti- Green Party comments

The Argus clearly has an anti-green bias in its reporting. Some of it's reporting has been blatantly inaccurate and devoid of true facts when it comes to the Green Party locally.

MarkBrighton wrote:
Easily solved by moving the crossing.

PDF shows all the accidents.

http://www.brighton-


hove.gov.uk/download


s/bhcc/transport/lst


f/4365_Seven_Dials_D


isplay_Boards.V3.pdf

You are being far too reasonable.

I don't think they can because then it would be too close to the junction of Montpelier Crescent. Not allowed hem within X meters of another junction I believe.

I really wish it was that simple.

Even if they could, with the removal of the railings people wouldn't want to walk down that far (which i'm not saying is correct, but it is what will happen) and would just cross the road anyway, most likely increasing the risk of accidents.

Plantpot wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

So which bit is cobblers? Explain.

We are not all blessed with xray vision like you to see through trees and a quick look at streetview tells you all you need to know about the tree damaging the road.



Why don't you just stick to defending banker's bonuses?

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:

fredflintstone1 wrote: This is good news, and congratulations to those involved. But let's not forget how the Council with their volunteer friends are felling trees now in Wild Park, where hundreds - including elms, oaks and ash - have been cut down, and permanent fencing now installed to create a sheep farm. AND this work is being carried out during the bird nesting season. All this in a public park given to the people of Brighton (or at least that's what the sign says at the entrance to the park). This particular battle at the Dials may be nearly won, but the need to protect trees from the Green's chainsaws around the city is far from over.

Spot on. They're even putting their own propaganda notices up there now saying that there was a 'majority in favour', when a clear majority of the Wild Park users (of which I am one) were totally opposed.

Exactly the same for me, it will take a child to be seriously ill from the sheep before they do anything about it

HJarrs wrote:

Plantpot wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

So which bit is cobblers? Explain.

We are not all blessed with xray vision like you to see through trees and a quick look at streetview tells you all you need to know about the tree damaging the road.



Why don't you just stick to defending banker's bonuses?

If the Greens were in support of banker's bonuses, you would think it was A Very Good Thing.

PorkBoat wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Plantpot wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

So which bit is cobblers? Explain.

We are not all blessed with xray vision like you to see through trees and a quick look at streetview tells you all you need to know about the tree damaging the road.



Why don't you just stick to defending banker's bonuses?

If the Greens were in support of banker's bonuses, you would think it was A Very Good Thing.

Wow, how stupid are you!

If the Greens were supporting that sort of inept idea then I wouldn't vote for them; this is one of the reasons I left the Labour Party and stopped voting for them. At least, belatedly Labour have started to see the error of their ways unlike you Conservatives. I suppose you are another banker bonus defender.

Now how about addressing the subject of the article?

Good for the tree protesters :) I use the roundabout and crossing regularly as both a driver and a pedestrian. From what I have seen the main reason for accidents is because the roundabout is so small and used as a mian route into Brighton by people that are not familiar with it. Drivers are so busy concentrating on other drivers on the roundabout that they are taken unawares by all the crossing around it as they are so close to the roundabout. So make people walk further...cut down obesity or build a 7 exit bridge over the top lol

HJarrs wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Plantpot wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

So which bit is cobblers? Explain.

We are not all blessed with xray vision like you to see through trees and a quick look at streetview tells you all you need to know about the tree damaging the road.



Why don't you just stick to defending banker's bonuses?

If the Greens were in support of banker's bonuses, you would think it was A Very Good Thing.

Wow, how stupid are you!

If the Greens were supporting that sort of inept idea then I wouldn't vote for them; this is one of the reasons I left the Labour Party and stopped voting for them. At least, belatedly Labour have started to see the error of their ways unlike you Conservatives. I suppose you are another banker bonus defender.

Now how about addressing the subject of the article?

No, I'm not a banker bonus defender, if I had my way, they'd be swinging from lamp posts, along with MPs, The Lord Of The Realm That Must Not Be Named In The Argus,(whose name is a bit like a Scottish Meusli) and most people on the New Year's Honours list. As for addressing the subject, I don't want to raise the level of "debate".

HJarrs wrote:

PorkBoat wrote:

HJarrs wrote:

Plantpot wrote:

HJarrs wrote:
Keep going Neddage!

This tree clearly hinders the view of Vernon Terrace from Dyke Rd and obscures the view of pedestrians on Vernon rd crossing. I am not surprised that Neddage has seen so many accidents, I should imagine that the lack of fatalities is purely down to low speed and pure luck.

It is clear from looking at street view that this tree is also damaging and restricting the carriageway. Either the carriageway should be narrowed as was origionally proposed, traffic calming to significantly reduce speed introduced or the tree should get the chop. To do otherwise is negligent and will lead to further accidents and leave the council i.e. us open to litigation both of which must be avoided.

I read some cobblers in the comments section of The Argus, but you and Neddage are right up there with the best of it.

So which bit is cobblers? Explain.

We are not all blessed with xray vision like you to see through trees and a quick look at streetview tells you all you need to know about the tree damaging the road.



Why don't you just stick to defending banker's bonuses?

If the Greens were in support of banker's bonuses, you would think it was A Very Good Thing.

Wow, how stupid are you!

If the Greens were supporting that sort of inept idea then I wouldn't vote for them; this is one of the reasons I left the Labour Party and stopped voting for them. At least, belatedly Labour have started to see the error of their ways unlike you Conservatives. I suppose you are another banker bonus defender.

Now how about addressing the subject of the article?

Another spectacularly ridiculous thread thanks to the green party's very own village idiot's contributions...well done HJarrs!

Tom Druitt? Partner of Alex Philips Green Party? Wonder what plans this pair hatch in their downtime?

I think this tree should be permanantly populated for peaceful protest. Get off your soapbox and climb up a tree. Dont like rising petrol prices? Start climbing. Dont like rising council taxes? Star climbing etc etc

cut the tree down if need be preferably with the selfish numptys still up it! isnt your signing in days soon! be done with the dam tree and lets improve the safety of that dreadfull junction ( mostly can drivers who are so in a rush for their next £3.60 job) !!'

well done to tom druitt and the other guy.
You will always get flak on the argus website, from the mostly male, retentive majority who doth protest.

Yes i am a bus driver also, one who also get's flak from doing animal rights demos in Brighton.
Like i am doing today.

Imagine our world today without the pankhursts,ghandis,A
nita Roddick et al.

The only downside to this article is the hideous captioning faux pas which i think,is perhaps, tounge in cheek, to say the least.

Good for you guys.

Cam Vallance, Previously of Brighton,now in very leafy Steyning.

Neddage wrote:

John Steed wrote: since local radio named Tom Druitt of quote "big lemon" at the very begining of the protest will all those who spouted and blogged stupid remarks about dole scroungers and unemployed etc wish to apologise, it seems that only those up the tree and a few local people got it right, as to the junction being dangerous, i have used it since the late sixties, the junction is not dangerous, just a minority of motorists who quite frankly are a danger where ever they drive are the problem.

In 6 years, I've personally witnessed 15 - 20 people having been run over on that pelican crossing. How is that not dangerous?

From behind the windscreen of your car as you accelerate away from the seven dials no doubt