Victory claimed by protesters as bin plans in Hannover halted (From The Argus)

The Council and Liz Wakefield should also now consider looking into why some residents of that area felt so intimidated they would not be able to attend and voice their views?

Where's this Hannover then?

Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Most people don't want the students either. Wish we could rid of them as easily.

musesboy wrote:
Where's this Hannover then?

It's in Germany! Not sure why The Argus is reporting on it.

The Argus should spell check the headline.

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Parking takes priority! However, I can quite understand that people don't want these bins right outside their house.

If we are not to have the big bins then we need to find an alternative to what we have today namely flimsy black bags with their contents spread over the street by foxes and seagulls.

Double bagging has stopped the problem for us. I did talk to a plastic bag manufacturer about a rip resistant bin bag and I think this is the way forward.

Rip resistant bag? What's Caroline Lucas got to do with it?

Hanover is just a middle class slum.

HJarrs wrote:

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Parking takes priority! However, I can quite understand that people don't want these bins right outside their house.

If we are not to have the big bins then we need to find an alternative to what we have today namely flimsy black bags with their contents spread over the street by foxes and seagulls.

Double bagging has stopped the problem for us. I did talk to a plastic bag manufacturer about a rip resistant bin bag and I think this is the way forward.

Unfortunately, there IS no alternative apart from everyone having their own bin permanently chained to their front wall. Most residents would rather one large bin per street than 50 small ones.

When I lived in Hanover we kept a metal dustbin with a lid in the back yard and on bin day carried it trough the house and onto the pavement to keep the black sacks in. As soon as the bags were collected it went back into the back yard.
It stopped foxes and seagulls. I can understand why people don't want the giant bins outside their windows as they are an eyesore and sadly they do attract fly tipping and in a hot summer they stink.

NickBrt wrote:
Rip resistant bag? What's Caroline Lucas got to do with it?

Explain middle class and slum please

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Residents in Kemptown are welcome to their conclusion. Communal Bin effectiveness in Kemptown does not mean it will translate to the narrow streets in Hanover.

Besides, this was a consultation, complete with a vote from the people. The people said no, by majority.

We all believe in democracy even if we don't always believe in the majority belief. And so I find your suggestion uninformed and ridiculously general. Are you a member of the Green Party, as I have seen very similar reasoning methodologies employed?

tekniko wrote:

musesboy wrote:
Where's this Hannover then?

It's in Germany! Not sure why The Argus is reporting on it.

and to think the Argus people want us to buy this rag is unbelievable, as for the Green's interfering with Germany beggars belief when they can't even get their own City in order.

I doubt that any of the Council members will have one of these horrible, ugly bins outside of their homes.

flatflat wrote:
I doubt that any of the Council members will have one of these horrible, ugly bins outside of their homes.

Got it it one flatflat, get one o?s any house and it'll be blighted for ever.

Resident in Hanover wrote:

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Residents in Kemptown are welcome to their conclusion. Communal Bin effectiveness in Kemptown does not mean it will translate to the narrow streets in Hanover.

Besides, this was a consultation, complete with a vote from the people. The people said no, by majority.

We all believe in democracy even if we don't always believe in the majority belief. And so I find your suggestion uninformed and ridiculously general. Are you a member of the Green Party, as I have seen very similar reasoning methodologies employed?

There is no majority against.
The council consultation gave an overall number of streets in favour and a mix of views per street, with some 70% against and some 100% in favour.
The No campaign aggressive petitioned but did not get a majority - in my street about 20% were persuaded to sign.
So a consultation with a good level of return which gave a majority of streets in favour is being ditched after a public meeting (announced with 48 hrs notice) attended by a small number of residents - which others have said they stayed away from because of aggressive behaviour of anti campaigners. This is not democracy - it is mob rule and the councillors should be ashamed of giving such uncritical backing to this group.

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
When I lived in Hanover we kept a metal dustbin with a lid in the back yard and on bin day carried it trough the house and onto the pavement to keep the black sacks in. As soon as the bags were collected it went back into the back yard.
It stopped foxes and seagulls. I can understand why people don't want the giant bins outside their windows as they are an eyesore and sadly they do attract fly tipping and in a hot summer they stink.

When I first lived in Hanover the dustmen shouted "hello", came down into the basement, went into the garden and carried the metal bin through to the street, emptied it and returned it to the garden for every house on their round. (The same was true of the pig-men who used to collect the scrap food).
As for the comedian who describes Hanover as a middle class slum, it may interest them to know that many houses in the area have it written into the deeds that the properties "must be used in perpetuity as dwelling places for the working classes". However, the new residents of Hanover are more likely to be able to pay the up to £50,000 fine for the incorrect disposal of rubbish.

Now let's see if the council can do something about the people who think they can leave their bins and recycling boxes on the pavements 24/7. It really isn't difficult to put your bin out on the correct day.

Ilyich wrote:

Resident in Hanover wrote:

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Residents in Kemptown are welcome to their conclusion. Communal Bin effectiveness in Kemptown does not mean it will translate to the narrow streets in Hanover.

Besides, this was a consultation, complete with a vote from the people. The people said no, by majority.

We all believe in democracy even if we don't always believe in the majority belief. And so I find your suggestion uninformed and ridiculously general. Are you a member of the Green Party, as I have seen very similar reasoning methodologies employed?

There is no majority against.
The council consultation gave an overall number of streets in favour and a mix of views per street, with some 70% against and some 100% in favour.
The No campaign aggressive petitioned but did not get a majority - in my street about 20% were persuaded to sign.
So a consultation with a good level of return which gave a majority of streets in favour is being ditched after a public meeting (announced with 48 hrs notice) attended by a small number of residents - which others have said they stayed away from because of aggressive behaviour of anti campaigners. This is not democracy - it is mob rule and the councillors should be ashamed of giving such uncritical backing to this group.

You sound like one of the Green clan behind the consultation organisation. A deceitful and disorganised programme now known as BinGate.

That consultation comprised The Green Party distributing leaflets to residents, wrongly informing them that the voting would take place on a street-by-street basis, leading to petition collection stopping once a street majority was achieved. Despite petitioning stopping, and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of residents signing and petitioning against the communal bins, these petitions were ignored from the vote, infuriating locals many of whom did not even receive council consultation documentation – the petitions did constitute a significant majority if included; the information is public. That consultation did not consult residents in trial streets nor alert them to vote nor attend public meetings. That consultation forgot to consult two entire streets in the voting area; a public apology was made by the Mayor. That consultation organised for the chairman of the B&H green party to covertly attend the last meeting and tweet propaganda against the campaign, making reference to the residents as "the opposition". That consultation repeatedly gave very little notice for public meetings, and on that front we agree, although attending in the last meeting there were three residents for the bins and hundreds against. The event was reported as being constructive and apolitical with everyone given the same notice by the council. Mayor Bill Randall is against the programme, as is Caroline Lucas.

Listen to the people.

Resident in Hanover wrote:

Ilyich wrote:

Resident in Hanover wrote:

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Residents in Kemptown are welcome to their conclusion. Communal Bin effectiveness in Kemptown does not mean it will translate to the narrow streets in Hanover.

Besides, this was a consultation, complete with a vote from the people. The people said no, by majority.

We all believe in democracy even if we don't always believe in the majority belief. And so I find your suggestion uninformed and ridiculously general. Are you a member of the Green Party, as I have seen very similar reasoning methodologies employed?

There is no majority against.
The council consultation gave an overall number of streets in favour and a mix of views per street, with some 70% against and some 100% in favour.
The No campaign aggressive petitioned but did not get a majority - in my street about 20% were persuaded to sign.
So a consultation with a good level of return which gave a majority of streets in favour is being ditched after a public meeting (announced with 48 hrs notice) attended by a small number of residents - which others have said they stayed away from because of aggressive behaviour of anti campaigners. This is not democracy - it is mob rule and the councillors should be ashamed of giving such uncritical backing to this group.

You sound like one of the Green clan behind the consultation organisation. A deceitful and disorganised programme now known as BinGate.

That consultation comprised The Green Party distributing leaflets to residents, wrongly informing them that the voting would take place on a street-by-street basis, leading to petition collection stopping once a street majority was achieved. Despite petitioning stopping, and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of residents signing and petitioning against the communal bins, these petitions were ignored from the vote, infuriating locals many of whom did not even receive council consultation documentation – the petitions did constitute a significant majority if included; the information is public. That consultation did not consult residents in trial streets nor alert them to vote nor attend public meetings. That consultation forgot to consult two entire streets in the voting area; a public apology was made by the Mayor. That consultation organised for the chairman of the B&H green party to covertly attend the last meeting and tweet propaganda against the campaign, making reference to the residents as "the opposition". That consultation repeatedly gave very little notice for public meetings, and on that front we agree, although attending in the last meeting there were three residents for the bins and hundreds against. The event was reported as being constructive and apolitical with everyone given the same notice by the council. Mayor Bill Randall is against the programme, as is Caroline Lucas.

Listen to the people.

I'll tell you something else and talk to your criticism of mob rule!

The people in Hanover are annoyed. They have been repeatedly deceived and ignored by the council, and they do not want unsightly, smelly bins in their streets, often very close to their front doors and windows. It's very simple. The local Estate Agent tells us that the properties would drop tens of thousands of pounds each as a consequence of the bins being situated as proposed. The majority of voting residents signed a petition stating they didn't want bins, and these voices were ignored owing to an undercurrent and non-compromisable agenda of rolling out new refuse plans throughout Brighton.

Residents are annoyed because they have been deceived and misinformed, and the associated implications is that their homes are being threatened. It is not surprising that criticism has been aimed at the Green administration and supporters, where there is generally unconditional support to roll out the bins. The residents were referred to publicly by authorities as "the opposition"!!! Residents should be served by the councillors and officers, not referred to as the opposition – not unless, of course, there are unfair motives that draw naturally on talk of the 'opposition' and 'mob rule'.

Whether or not you like bins, or even whether or not they're deemed effective, the majority in Hanover have said "no". I didn't see any aggressive behaviour throughout the campaign – just passionate and determined play, pointing out hypocracy and political ideals where appropriate. Of course, people who were criticised might easily claim they were being treated aggresively, but that is just one more point of confusion.

musesboy wrote:
Where's this Hannover then?

look it up on google earth

Resident in Hanover wrote "Of course, people who were criticised might easily claim they were being treated aggressively, but that is just one more point of confusion" - not to those on the receiving end. No confusion there.
There is confusion in your post however. With around 50 - 75 people attending the last meeting, how can 'hundreds' have been against?
You accuse myself of being 'Green clan' - as green councillors have backed the no campaign following the 'public' meeting, and I feel that they are completely wrong to give in to this type of pressure, how am I 'green clan'?
Repeat - there is no majority against, either in the council consultation or the no petition - the council sent the petition results to each house.
To council and councillors I ask - what is the point in completing council consultation form if you let the result be overturned by unrepresentative 'public' meeting, which had no agenda and no plan and just buckled to loudest voices?

HJarrs wrote:

BURIRAM wrote:
Residents in Kemptown have them and its a 100% improvement, so it's Hanovers that will lose out.

Parking takes priority! However, I can quite understand that people don't want these bins right outside their house.

If we are not to have the big bins then we need to find an alternative to what we have today namely flimsy black bags with their contents spread over the street by foxes and seagulls.

Double bagging has stopped the problem for us. I did talk to a plastic bag manufacturer about a rip resistant bin bag and I think this is the way forward.

Prosily they would rather have car parking spaces than having bins taking them up, but you say you understand why these people dote want these bins outside of there homes yes they may take up car parking spaces but what’s better having a clear pavement or having all these green wheelie bins and black recycling boxes everywhere – I have to say for a person who has walking problems it’s a nightmare trying to get around them when they are all over the place and secondly in other parts of the city where they have these bins you dote see to much of fly tipping as you do with people that still have the green w-bins.

NickBrt wrote:
Rip resistant bag? What's Caroline Lucas got to do with it?

She’d look better if she was in one but you’d need a big black bin to put the hull of the green councilors in

flatflat wrote:
I doubt that any of the Council members will have one of these horrible, ugly bins outside of their homes.

No prissily they won’t even have travelers parking on there green fields but they dote seem to bothered about them in the Wild Park they have been there 2 weeks tearing up the grass and driving mud onto the pavement and what dose this caring green council do SOD ALL even Kitkat got them moved from the green at Hollingbury and that’s a fear way from where he lives in Patcham but NO he want do the same for the wild park – they are all two faced hypocrites.

Society now generates rubbish at an alarming rate! I cannot see this changing. Forget about the bins and organise a twice weekly rubbish collection- bring back the dustcarts!
It will also help in the battle against Rats,Foxes, Seagulls and other vermin!

Rubbish and waste is our destiny and will over time if managed effectively become our heritage. We should ensure that on this journey all appropriate steps are taken to keep Brighton looking as good as possible and to maintain the health of those tax payers living here.

People who are drawing benefits and not contributing should clear their own waste and be policed to ensure this happens in whatever form the prescribed process is. Failure should result in immediate withdrawal of benefits, followed rapidly by incarceration if the situation persists.

Ilyich wrote:
Resident in Hanover wrote "Of course, people who were criticised might easily claim they were being treated aggressively, but that is just one more point of confusion" - not to those on the receiving end. No confusion there.
There is confusion in your post however. With around 50 - 75 people attending the last meeting, how can 'hundreds' have been against?
You accuse myself of being 'Green clan' - as green councillors have backed the no campaign following the 'public' meeting, and I feel that they are completely wrong to give in to this type of pressure, how am I 'green clan'?
Repeat - there is no majority against, either in the council consultation or the no petition - the council sent the petition results to each house.
To council and councillors I ask - what is the point in completing council consultation form if you let the result be overturned by unrepresentative 'public' meeting, which had no agenda and no plan and just buckled to loudest voices?

If residents felt they were treated unfairly, then why didn't they turn up at the meetings and make it known, or perhaps made it known to the Press or council authorities or even the Police? Or is it just that these residents are aggreaved because they lost even though the council process was unfair and biased. The last meeting was calm and fair, and chaired by a local green councillor, also Mayor of Brighton and Hove – Bill Randall incidentally understands, empathises, and supports the campaign to stop the bins; as does Caroline Lucas who visited households to explore. Why don’t you give Bill a call and ask him?

On your other inaccurate assertions, you were clearly absent from the meeting, which makes me wonder about your motives. You were clearly absent because you do not know there were multiple more residents of 50 attending. Again, why don't you ask the green councillors who attended? Why don't you also ask also about your other confusions: there is a majority against otherwise why would the council be cancelling the initiative? Look at the public results. They're online. The majority don’t want bins. If you're unable to locate them, ask a green councillor for some assistance. While you're at it, ask them how many streets were missed, as stated and documented by the Mayor who publicly apologised. You are wrong that all houses were even sent the petition results and invited them to the meeting – Six streets this time.

Finally, may I suggest that the next time you feel so strongly, that you attend these meetings yourself and bring along your many hundreds of supporters you'd need to counter the majority of residents who said "no". There were three. Were hundreds of residents worried 'the mob' would get at them? Really? Or is that an over-active imagination, or perhaps one sour about the results? Many of the LAT meetings even have attending a police officer, so I'm sure you're in safe hands if you're of a nervous disposition. There's a meeting tomorrow. Go along and see what people think: and be careful not to confuse harassment with directed arguments against unfair policies and practices.

wippasnapper wrote:

musesboy wrote:
Where's this Hannover then?

look it up on google earth

Or as the Angus would say " Goggle Earth"

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:
Rubbish and waste is our destiny and will over time if managed effectively become our heritage. We should ensure that on this journey all appropriate steps are taken to keep Brighton looking as good as possible and to maintain the health of those tax payers living here.

People who are drawing benefits and not contributing should clear their own waste and be policed to ensure this happens in whatever form the prescribed process is. Failure should result in immediate withdrawal of benefits, followed rapidly by incarceration if the situation persists.

That is the BEST comment I've ever read on this website!
Also, David Cameron is a paedophile.