Snow day: March 12 (From The Argus)
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Snow day: March 12
Updated 7:09pm Tuesday 12th March 2013 in News By Sarah Booker Lewis, Web editor
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Latest
- Brighton and Hove bus services are now running
- Schools expected to reopen tomorrow
- BUT
- Thousands of people were left stranded in the snow.
- Hundreds of cars were abandoned.
- Emergency services were called to 2,500 incidents and there were more than 200 road accidents.
- Drivers were trapped for more than 12 hours.
- But transport bosses say they did their best.
- See tomorrow’s Argus for our unrivalled coverage of the snow chaos.
- Drivers stranded on the A23, A27 and A259, buses and cars stranded across Brighton and Hove and motorists forced to sleep in their cars
7:09pm
Thank you for following today's live blog.
The roads are much better tonight, all Brighton and Hove buses are now running as normal and most of Sussex's schools are expected to open in the morning.
By 3pm today more than 30,000 of you had visited the site to find out about school closured, road disruptions and gritting.
Our team of reporters, photographers and editors have been working hard to tell you everything you need to know to survive the wintry weather.
See tomorrow's Argus for 16 pages of snow coverage.
6:53pm
It looks like we should be over the worst of it.
Helen Chivers, from the Met Office, has said that there will no more significant snow.
The tempratures will contniue to rise over the next few days with rain by the end of the week.
However, a yellow warning for ice is in place for tomorrow morning with dangerous driving conditions predicted for the rush hour.
6:38pm
A259 East Dean is now open again but the minor roads around East Dean/Beachy Head remain closed due to snow (18:24)
— @TravelNewsSouth 12 March 2013
6:34pm
ALL SERVICES ARE OPERATING normal route apart from 2/2A,5A,6,46 & 29. Full details available http://t.co/dbmw1VffYR.
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
5:54pm
Here's a video of children playing in St Ann's Well Gardens in Hove courtesy of reader Charlotte Ikonen.
5:01pm
Jo Buckland took this photograph of Kipling Avenue, Woodingdean, at 4pm today. It explains why the numbe 2 bus isn't serving the road.
4:36pm
ST JAMES'S STREET has now re-opened and services are able to operate normal route.
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
4:33pm
As long as the weather doesn't flip from sunny to snowy again overnight, we expect all housing offices to be open as normal tomorrow #BHsnow
— @BHCCtenants 12 March 2013
4:12pm
ST JAMES'S Street is currently closed due to the fire brigade attending an insecure building. Services diverted via the seafront.
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
4:07pm
Hello all @uniofbrighton, apologies but yr driver is running late & spare driver already driving. He'll have to start at Varley 1640. Sorry!
— @thebiglemon 12 March 2013
4:06pm
RT @SouthernRailUK: **Service Update 16:00, The 16.06 Victoria to Brighton is cancelled due to poor weather conditions**
— @brightonstation 12 March 2013
4:06pm
RT @SouthernRailUK: INFO: The 16:29 Portsmouth Harbour to Brighton due 17:48 is cancelled due to poor weather conditions.
— @trainsandbuses 12 March 2013
4:06pm
RT @SouthernRailUK: INFO: The 16:24 Hove to Brighton due 16:28 is cancelled due to poor weather conditions.
— @brightonstation 12 March 2013
4:00pm
West Sussex County Council have put out this video on its gritting and how it makes decisions.
Tell us what you think below.
3:54pm
Lovely shot of the Balcombe Viaduct from Tony Wood.
3:38pm
This just in from West Sussex County Council:
This evening's Joint Eastern Arun Area Committee (JEAAC) has been postponed.
Monique Smart, Democratic Services Officer, said: "I am looking to reschedule as soon as possible, hopefully for a date next week. I will confirm which date as soon as I can."
3:37pm
This just in from West Sussex County Council:
This evening's Joint Eastern Arun Area Committee (JEAAC) has been postponed.
Monique Smart, Democratic Services Officer, said: "I am looking to reschedule as soon as possible, hopefully for a date next week. I will confirm which date as soon as I can."
3:11pm
A video from Argus snapper Liz Finlayson who drove along the A259 East Dean Road.
3:06pm
West Sussex County Council driver training
Speed Awareness courses are cancelled for today and tomorrow.
3:05pm
West Sussex County Council services uodate
Children's Social Care
Customers and partners will be provided with an emergency only response.
Likely some short breaks for disabled children will be cancelled.
Arrangements are being made for children on short breaks who are due to return home today.
Fostering drop-in session
The fostering drop-in session planned to take place at Crawley Library today (Tuesday 12 March), from 10.00am to 4.00pm, has been cancelled. The next fostering drop-in session takes place on Friday 26 April, at Littlehampton Library. To find out more about fostering visit the website.
School, nursery and family centre closures
Please see the latest updates on school and nursery closures which are posted on the Emergency closures page. There are currently 242 schools reported as closed across West Sussex.
Meals on Wheels
Meals on Wheels coping and prioritising the most vulnerable. Some customers may not receive meals today but everyone will be called by the WRVS to ensure they are safe and well and have something in to eat or family or friend can call on them in those cases they cannot deliver.
Welfare Benefits Advisors
Appointments booked for today are being re-arranged.
Library Services
Hurstpierpoint Library is closed; all others are open with some running reduced services.
The following libraries will close at 4.00pm today:
Southwick
Burgess Hill
Haywards heath
Southwick library will be closed between 1.00pm until 1.30pm
Household Waste Recycling Sites
The following sites are open:
Littlehampton
Midhurst
Billingshurst
Westhampnet
Crawley
Bognor
3:05pm
West Sussex County Council Adults’ Services update:
Some disruption expected to home care visits but ensuring customers are safe and their needs met.
The Community Equipment Service will maintain service where possible with priority given to new deliveries and emergency repairs to equipment.
The Independent Living Service has suspended visits unless easily accessible.
The following Day Centres are closed:
Maidenbower Day Centre (Crawley)
Glen Vue Day Centre (East Grinstead)
Rowans Day Centre (Worthing)
Chestnuts Day Centre (Bognor Regis)
Judith Adams Centre (Chichester)
Glebelands Day Centre (Shoreham)
Henfield Day Centre
Burnside (Burgess Hill)
Coastal Enterprises (Worthing)
Coastal Workshops (Rustington)
New Tyne Day Centre (Worthing) (Residential unit open)
Customers and carers are being contacted to let them know and to check they are safe and well. Where possible, staff are being redeployed to support vulnerable customers who are living alone and unable to access the day centre. An alternative day will be offered to self-funding customers
The following Day Centres are open to customers who live locally and can make their own way in:
Laurels Day Centre
Wrenford Day Centre
The Pines
Oak Project
Strawford
All residential services are running as normal.
Customers contacting the service by telephone may be asked to call back if not urgent.
3:02pm
Updated statement from Brighton and Hove City Council Head of Highways operations Christina Liassides;
"Today’s sunshine is helping in our efforts to clear the roads, and I am pleased to report that main roads are running well and that most bus routes are passable and improving all the time.
"Buses have been running some routes since this morning and are increasing their coverage over the day.
"As you are probably aware, this has been a Sussex wide issue with reports of problems on many roads last night in East and West Sussex as well as with the Highway Agency which is responsible for the trunk roads (main A23, A27 and M23).
"This contributed to the traffic problems for people exiting Brighton and Hove yesterday.
"Since Saturday, we have had gritters out ploughing and salting the network, paying particular attention to the hillier areas.
"We also sent three JCBs out to clear snowdrifts on Falmer Road, Bexhill Road and Freshfield Road by Brighton Racecourse.
"By this morning, the gritters had covered the equivalent of 1,000 miles since Saturday and we have laid over 350 tonnes of gritting materials on the roads, going over and over routes to give them a fighting chance against the persistent snowfall.
"Cityclean have also tackled pavements in the city centre and around the hospitals this morning.
"Tonight temperatures are forecast to drop again and snow showers are predicted later in the night when there might be a risk of ice on wet roads.
"We will be carrying out several grit runs from early evening into the night, and will closely monitor the evening forecast update and weather conditions overnight."
2:51pm
This just in from Hastings Borough Council:
No collections will be made today (Tuesday) or tomorrow (Wednesday).
Our contractors have been out today clearing footpaths of ice and snow in and around town, while it has been impossible to make collections.
A collection recovery plan has been proposed and will be confirmed tomorrow morning (Wednesday) pending any further changes in weather conditions.
Residents are now asked not to put their rubbish and recycling out but to wait for further advice.
2:38pm
Highways Agency update: Anybody who left their vehicle on the A23 last night, have until 11am tomorrow morning to claim their car or else they run the risk of having to pay recovery fees.
Motors should contact Sussex Police on 101 to recover their vehicles.
2:28pm
RT @SouthernRailUK: UPDATE - The 14:29 Portsmouth Harbour to Brighton will start from Fratton. This is due to poor weather conditions.
— @brightonstation 12 March 2013
2:27pm
WE WILL BE OPERATING AS many services as we can this afternoon/evening.Keep checking our web for full details.
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
2:23pm
UPDATE - The 14:44 Brighton to Hove will be cancelled due to poor weather conditions.
— @SouthernRailUK 12 March 2013
2:21pm
Argus photographer Tony Wood has just got back with some lovely pictures from Mid Sussex
2:18pm
Caffcast has Tweeted this video of "snowmageddon" on the A27 last night.
2:16pm
5bs are not going up Surrenden Road and Braybourne Avenue due to abandoned vehicles #Brighton
— @Sarah_Booker 12 March 2013
2:03pm
@sussex_police Beacon Hill, Ovingdean has an abandoned vehicle towards the bottom, blocking the carriageway.
— @LisTelcs 12 March 2013
1:56pm
RT @sussex_police: Most main routes are now passable but @BrightonHoveBus and others are reporting to us they can't serve some areas due to abandoned vehicles.
— @AdurPolice 12 March 2013
1:54pm
RT @WSCCNews: A29 Bury Hill, A280 Long Furlong northbound, A283 Stopham Rd, Stopham all re-opened.
— @OliviaLerche 12 March 2013
1:54pm
RT @compassbus: Service 121 (Lewes - Newick) should be starting from the 14:28 journey from Lewes.
— @sussex_express 12 March 2013
1:54pm
Eight of WSCC's household waste recycling sites are now open. Sites at Littlehampton, Shoreham and Burgess Hill have now reopened.
— @WSCCNews 12 March 2013
1:53pm
Comptons Lane, Horsham; Kennel Hill, Goodwood; Paddock Hall Road, Haywards Heath all re-opened.
— @WSCCNews 12 March 2013
1:38pm
Photographer Sam Stephenson made this video compilation of accidents on Sussex roads this morning.
1:31pm
Brighton and Hove City Council: Roads update from Highways
• Whole of Woodingdean is passable with care.
• Snakey hill is open but there is a river of melt water running down the hill.
• Sadlescoombe snow is blowing off fields and causing drifts again.
1:28pm
Parking enforcement has been suspended today due to severe weather conditions. #Brighton #Hove #BHsnow
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
1:27pm
In the 24 hours up to 9am today, @sussex_police received nearly 2,500 calls, around 700 more than an average March weekday.
— @Tom_PughPA 12 March 2013
1:24pm
The snow is melting at last around the bognor area. Pavements & roads still icy though - so plse still travel with care
— @SergeantGlenton 12 March 2013
1:24pm
We have three JCBs working to clear snow drifts in Falmer Road, Bexhill Road & Pankhurst area #BHsnow
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
1:16pm
Another video for you, this time of snow at Pavilion Gardens.
1:11pm
RT @compassbus: Service 127 (Landport Estate, Lewes) will be operating from around 2pm.
— @NikkiJeffery1 12 March 2013
1:01pm
East Sussex County Council's head of highways Roger Williams said the A259 should re-open before rush hour this afternoon.
It was closed yesterday between Seaford and Eastbourne at 4pm as snow drifts overwhelmed the efforts of two farmers and a gritter to keep the roads clear.
Read the full story here.
1:00pm
If you're heading to Europe, forget it. All Eurostar services are now cancelled.
12:59pm
RT @BHLibraries: Adverse weather update: Westdene Library closed, Saltdean is now open
— @im_a_pineapple 12 March 2013
12:57pm
Black Labrador Victor enjoys the snow on Hove Lawns this morning along.
Also pictured is mum Lisa, dad Bertie and Daughter Milly.
12:51pm
These French school children were stuck on their coach on the A23 for 10 hours last night.
Argus photographer Sam Stephenson went to try and lift their spirits (to varying degrees of success) this morning.
12:44pm
RT @compassbus: We regret that at the moment we are still not able to operate any services due to the extremely poor road... http://t.co/irMqxlhOEE
— @NikkiJeffery1 12 March 2013
12:39pm
More routes are now running - check full details here http://t.co/td7Ghp4pEy via @buscmscom
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
12:38pm
This wonderful picture was taken by our pianist @brightonargus http://t.co/uC7Gswwxiu
— @actuallygw 12 March 2013
12:38pm
You can see a gallery of all The Argus snow videos below.
12:35pm
RT @thebiglemon: 52: Service to start at #Brighton Marina 1305 in Little Lemon, & we'll revert 2 a real bus asap! http://t.co/ouE38FP90c #Woodingdean #BHSnow
— @BHCCtenants 12 March 2013
12:32pm
The accident on the on A267 Little London Road has now been cleared.
The road both ways between Furnace Lane (Sharps Corner) and B2203 is now open.
12:31pm
Our web boffins have been busy processing some videos for you.
Here is the first, taken on the A259 last night.
12:27pm
Reports coming in that the A280 from Findon to Patching is now open
12:23pm
Service 1 is now operating between Whitehawk Garage and Portslade Station.
Service 2 is now operating between Shoreham High Street and Old Steine. In Shoreham buses will operate via the High Street then over the level crossing at Eastern Avenue. We are unable to reach Shoreham Station at the moment.
Services 5, 5A and 5B are about to start running again. Buses are just leaving the depot now and a full service should be running by about 12.30pm. They will all be running along their normal routes, except that the 5A cannot serve Old London Road and will operate via Winfield Avenue (the 5 route) instead.
Service 6 is now operating between Portslade Station and Brighton Station.
Service 7 is now operating normally.
Services 12 and 12A are about to start operating between Brighton and Seaford only. The 12 will terminate at Seaford Library and the 12A will terminate at Chyngton Estate. Buses are just leaving the depot now so most places along the route should be served by 12.30pm.
Service 14 is running between Peacehaven, Meridian Centre and Newhaven Sainsbury's. Buses are running every half hour over this section, leaving Peacehaven at 09 and 39 minsutes past each hour and leaving Newhaven Sainsbury's at 10 and 40 minutes past each hour.
Service 25 is about to start running between Falmer and Old Steine or Palmeira Square, and a full service should be running by about 12.15pm. Buses cannot enter either of the campuses due to many badly parked cars.
Service 27 is about to start running between Dyke Road Avenue and Saltdean, Coombe Vale. Buses are unable to reach Westdene. Buses should be running along the route by about 12.30pm.
Service 48 is about to start running its full route between Lower Bevendean and Brighton Station. Buses should be out on the route by 12.30pm.
Service 49 is now running between The Avenue and Portslade Station. We expect to be able to get to the normal terminus at East Moulsecoomb, Bolney Road, shortly.
12:20pm
Jane Griffin, of Queen's Park Road, sent this picture of an abandoned bus outside her house. She said it was one of four she could see from her doorstep.
She added: "I've never known this to happen before in 42 years of living here!"
12:20pm
RT @roadpol_east: Drifting snow on W/bound A259 Guestling - Three Oaks causing some issues. http://t.co/P0rqYaXnnv
— @LHynes_Fitness 12 March 2013
12:19pm
Council officials have defended their gritting work after complaints from angry motorists.
Roger Williams, East Sussex County Council head of highways, said his staff had been working non-stop since Sunday evening.
He said: "We did everything we possibly could do, there’s nothing we would do differently.
"If we replay the last 36 hours, we would do the same thing again because we were doing the right things."
12:16pm
The Highways Agency has insisted everything possible was done to clear the A27 last night.
A spokesman said: "We did everything we possibly could to keep the roads open, including pulling in resources elsewhere but the sheer volume of snow and type of weather we were experiencing was quite heavy, particularly for this time of year."
12:14pm
RT @BrightonHoveCC: We’ve done 1000 miles of gritting over the weekend and including this morning. #BHsnow #Brighton #Hove
— @pabloriddla 12 March 2013
12:12pm
Here's a useful map showing all the grit bins in Brighton and Hove: www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/index.cfm?request=c1237395
12:10pm
RT @SouthernRailUK: *Service update at 12:00 - The 12.33 Brighton to Southampton has been cancelled due to poor weather conditions.*
— @BrightonBBC 12 March 2013
12:04pm
Gritter and a plough now sorting out the drifts on A259 Guestling
— @roadpol_east 12 March 2013
12:03pm
We have just had this through from First Capital Connect:
Heavy snow in Sussex has caused severe congestion and delays of around an hour on all our services on the Bedford to Brighton, Wimbledon and Sutton Thameslink route this morning.
This is despite bright sunshine in central London, St Albans and Bedford.
Drifts of as much as 10cm of snow formed overnight in Sussex and there were sub-zero temperatures. It has been so bad that the Red Cross has been deployed to help hundreds of motorists stuck on roads for up to 10 hours.
On the railway, Network Rail has been digging out the points that allow our trains to switch from one track to another. Between East Croydon and Three Bridges we can use only two lines instead of the normal four.
There was also a points failure at Gatwick at 07.10 that brought all our trains to a complete stand for an hour.
Trains have had to travel slower because of the treacherous conditions and to keep the snow out of essential electrical equipment.
A spokesman for First Capital Connect said: "Network Rail has been working under very trying conditions in Sussex where drifts of as much as 10cm of snow have formed and where conditions are so bad the Red Cross has been called out to rescue hundreds of stranded motorists.
"The severe congestion on this part of the route has affected services everywhere else including those in central London, St Albans and London where we have no snow and bright sunshine.
"Understandably, our passengers in the areas with no snow will find it difficult to understand why bad weather was affecting their services this morning."
11:59am
RT @BrightonHoveCC: We have three JCBs working to clear snow drifts in Falmer Road, Bexhill Road and Pankhurst area #BHsnow #Brighton #Hove
— @sussex_police 12 March 2013
11:59am
Hats off to the binmen in Sompting this morning who completed their rounds despite the awful conditions
11:55am
Argus chief photographer Simon Dack has called in to say the A23/M23 from Brighton to the M25 is now clear.
11:54am
West Sussex County Council update: West Sussex County Council has thanked drivers for their patience after last night’s severe problems on roads across the county and the south-east.
The county’s gritting fleet were working continuously yesterday and throughout the night, as were neighbouring authorities.
But, in some areas high winds caused drifting which meant the impact of salting was greatly reduced and some drivers were caught out by sudden unexpected bands of snow across the road in front of them.
There were also several cases where gritters were unable to follow their usual routes because of abandoned vehicles, and stationary cars.
Fallen trees were also an issue along the A283 at Stopham and Fittleworth which had to be closed
Pieter Montyn, West Sussex Cabinet Member for Highways and Transport, said: “It was a very difficult and frustrating night for drivers, and we fully appreciate the problems they faced.
“I want to assure people that our crews were doing all they could, but the winds and drifting have led to many incidents on the network which have had a knock on effect creating gridlock across the whole of the County and the South East which has then impacted upon gritting operations. "
“The particular problems the Highway’s Agency faced on its A23 also had a knock-on effect which quickly impacted on the whole of that heavily used corridor.
“I want to re-assure people that our gritters will be working continuously while this severe weather continues.
“Our advice in the meantime is only drive if your journey is really essential and to take great care.”
11:53am
The following Brighton and Hove bus services are now running: 1, 6, 7, 14 and 49
11:50am
Brighton Fringe box office has opened for the first time this morning in North Street.
Over 100,000 programmes have been delivered and event director Julian Caddy is handing them out.
If you can - get yourself down there.
11:41am
RT @WSCCNews: Bognor, Westhampnett and Crawley WSCC household waste recycling sites are now open along with Billingshurst and Midhurst sites.
— @crawleybc 12 March 2013
11:40am
RT @SouthernRailUK: INFO: 11:36 London Victoria to Brighton It will call additionally at: Gatwick Airport and Haywards Heath.
— @brightonstation 12 March 2013
11:39am
RT @BHLibraries: Adverse weather update: Mile Oak closed all day, Saltdean closed this morning, may open this afternoon
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
11:37am
RT @OfficialBHAFC: Barnsley has not been affected by the overnight snowfall and tonight's game will go ahead as normal. #BHAFC http://t.co/LOf5ZzTVLt
— @ben_jermaine 12 March 2013
11:30am
Brighton and Hove City Council update:
Since Saturday we have put down over 300 tonnes of salt on the roads (316 to date) and are still gritting.
We have also laid down 50 tonnes of grit within a grit/salt mix on a couple of runs.
A further approx 20 tonnes has been used on pavement gritting (some part mixed salt/grit).
We have also ploughed overnight and this morning and have 3 JCBs working to clear snow drifts in Falmer Road, Bexhill Road and Pankhurst area.
Gritters were out over the weekend, yesterday and last night.
Snow ploughs were also out.
There will be more gritting today but it is still snowing which is making conditions very difficult.
Pavements in the city centre, around the hospitals, along London Road and Lewes Road were all pre-salted and will be gritted today as we can get to them.
Temperatures are forecast to remain cold for the next few days so roads and pavements maybe icy.
Please only travel if your journey is absolutely essential
The homeless shelters were open last night.
All refuse rounds are cancelled today as city clean continue with gritting operations and road clearing.
Please go to our website for info on staying warm in your home and school closures
• Royal Pavilion, Brighton Museum closed.
• Booth Museum is closed.
• Hove museum open
• Visitor information centre is open as is the Royal Pavillion shop – 10 am – 2pm
• All cremations are cancelled for today, the Bear Road and Lawn Memorial and Extra Mural Cemeteries will be closed until further notice.
• Parking tickets - Parking enforcement has been suspended today due to severe weather conditions. Please try to ensure your vehicle is parked to avoid obstructions where possible.
11:22am
Hospitals across Sussex are facing some disruption because of the bad weather.
Staff at the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton and Princess Royal Hospital in Haywards Heath are working to keep running as normal but have issued an urgent plea to the public for help.
For the full story click here.
11:22am
We are continuing to grit across the city today & plough where necessary. #BHsnow #Brighton #Hove
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
11:18am
Brighton & Hove recycling centres are both closed today. http://t.co/SSqYc98AJ0
— @RecyclingRefuse 12 March 2013
11:10am
Buses are about to start running on the 2. Already buses running on routes 1, 6, 7, 14 and 49 http://t.co/td7Ghp4pEy via @buscmscom
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
11:08am
Buses are about to start running on the 49. Already buses running on routes 1, 6, 7 and 14 http://t.co/td7Ghp4pEy via @buscmscom
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
11:07am
RT @SouthernRailUK: INFO: Owing to poor weather conditions the following trains will be cancelled 11:09 West Worthing to Brighton due 11:38...
— @dansinclair1984 12 March 2013
11:07am
I witnessed a pedestrian walking in the ice and snow wearing a crash helmet and high vis. A really good, practical idea. Recommended. #snow
— @ChrisGee9 12 March 2013
11:06am
RT @ArunDistrict: UPDATE:conditions mean rubbish/recycling collections will not be possible later today. Collections due 12/3 planned now for 13/3.(1of2)
— @sex_Nettie230 12 March 2013
11:05am
RT @BrightonHoveCC: We encourage residents to 'shovel, sweep, salt' to clear pavements & paths when it snows as it is much easier to do before snow freezes.
— @BHCCtenants 12 March 2013
10:49am
Buses are about to start running on the 49. Already buses running on routes 1, 6, 7 and 14 http://t.co/td7Ghp4pEy via @buscmscom
— @BrightonHoveBus 12 March 2013
10:47am
RT @TravelNewsSouth: A23 still very hazardous currently Pyecombe to Handcross Hill (10:35)
— @68ron 12 March 2013
10:46am
RT @WSCCNews: Concerned about an elderly or vulnerable person getting services they require then call our social care helpline on 01243 642555.
— @LINkeastsussex 12 March 2013
10:46am
RT @WSCCGritting: Gritters still out around the county. Weather has eased which should see improvements but still high wind, drifting & standing snow
— @NikkiJeffery1 12 March 2013
10:46am
RT @BrightonHoveCC: If you're concerned about an elderly or vulnerable person getting services they require call our adult social care helpline (01273) 295555
— @thedorothydays 12 March 2013
10:45am
RT @LewesDC: Our street crews are out this morning clearing town centre pavements of snow and ice and gritting where they can.
— @LINkeastsussex 12 March 2013
10:39am
The Visitor Information Centre & the Royal Pavillion shop are open from 10am – 2pm #Brighton @BrightonMuseums #BHsnow
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
10:39am
Compass buses have said: "We regret that at present no services are operating due to the road conditions."
10:38am
Parking enforcement has been suspended today due to severe weather conditions. #Brighton #Hove #BHsnow
— @BrightonHoveCC 12 March 2013
10:38am
Update from West Sussex County Council:
All household recycling sites apart from Midhurst and Billingshurst were shut.
Currently only library known to have shut is Hurstpierpoint because staff could not get in.
A drop-in event for potential foster carers at Crawley has also been cancelled.
Roads closed include A29 Bury Hill because of snow drifts up to 4 inches deep.
The A280 at Long Furlong is closed northbound because of snow and abandoned vehicles.
The A283 Stopham Road at Stopham is closed due to a tree down.
Comptons Lane in Horsham is closed because a tree is down.
Kennel Hill, Goodwood is closed due to abandoned vehicles.
Paddock Hall Road in Haywards Heath has been closed at the request of police.
Council officials say that all other routes are passable with care.
10:34am
The view from the Racecourse this morning... http://t.co/ErdwZtkebd
— @BrightonRace 12 March 2013
10:27am
Journalist works student Mark Williams took this video of the BHASVIC playing field in Old Shoreham Road in the snow this morning.
10:13am
B2028 Ardingly Road, Stonecross Lane junction has closed. River has burst its banks.
— @WSCCNews 12 March 2013
10:08am
RT @TravelNewsSouth: A285 Goodwood considered impassable now due to the snow (09:43)
— @pcdownsouth 12 March 2013
10:07am
Road closures in #westsussex (2) A283 Stopham Road, Stopham & Comptons Lane, Horsham - trees down & Kennel Hill #Goodwood abandoned vehicles
— @WSCCNews 12 March 2013
10:07am
RT @TravelNewsSouth: A259 East Dean remains closed due to the hazardous conditions (09;41)
— @creativeaheart 12 March 2013
10:06am
RT @BHLiveTraffic: The first Buses have been seen in the centre of town near the station. Route 7 is now running GEORGE ST to the MARINA.
— @carrie_walsh 12 March 2013
10:06am
Photos have been flooding in of the snow covering Sussex last night and this morning.
Our team is busy beavering away to get as many as possible online as soon as possible.
You can see the full gallery here.
We'll also be putting the best of the images in the live blog throughout the day.
Here's one our photographer Terry Aplin took of Grand Avenue in Hove:
10:06am
RT @WSCCNews: Sorry but APART from Midhurst and Billingshurst all our household waste recycling sites are closed today for weather reasons
— @HorshamDC 12 March 2013
10:05am
RT @drusillaspark: The Park is open today including the Zoo, our heated indoor play, Explores Cafe serving Starbucks coffee & hot food, plus Thomas is running.
— @sathlondonshona 12 March 2013
10:02am
Moto, owners of Pease Pottage, have apologised for charging stranded motorists to park at the services last night.
Approximately 50 drivers were forced to park up for the night after road conditions along the A23.
A spokesman said: "We can only apologise unconditionally to drivers who were stranded at Pease Pottage because of the snow and were then asked to pay the £12 overnight parking fee.
"Clearly this was an error and we will be investigating how it came about.
"It is our policy not to charge drivers in these circumstances and on previous occasions we have waived charges, as we will do in this case.
A"ll drivers who paid the fee will be refunded and any parking charge notices issued will be cancelled.
"Drivers wishing to claim a refund should contact site on 01293 562852 and be able to produce their parking ticket."
9:59am
A teenager has been seriously injured following a crash last night.
The 19-year-old woman was taken to East Surrey Hospital following a collision on the M23 southbound near Maidenbower, Crawley.
For the full story click here
9:58am
More than 40 children had to stay at St Aubyns school in Rottingdean last night because their parents weren't able to collect them.
The school is closed today but children are still being looked after and awaiting collection.
9:44am
We have a lovely photo of the German students who spent last night in Hastings town hall after being stuck in the snow. Photo courtesy of Hastings Borough Council
9:41am
The heavy snow that has fallen overnight is currently causing disruption to outpatient clinics at Worthing Hospital and Southlands Hospital in Shoreham.
However, St Richard's Hospital in Chichester is running normally and patients should continue to attend appointments there as scheduled.
At Worthing and Southlands, patients should only attend outpatient clinics if they have been given an urgent appointment.
Routine appointments will need to be rescheduled.
The outpatients department will contact everyone affected to arrange new dates as soon as possible.
9:34am
Update from Brighton and Hove City Council.
Christina Liassides Head of Highways operations said;
“Snow continued to fall all night and as you are no doubt aware, is still falling.
"Our gritter drivers ran their routes all night but the snow kept covering up our efforts.
"In addition, there were gale force winds especially on the hills driving the snow into drifts.
"We have a daytime gritting shift running.
"We also have a JCB dealing with some snow drifts on the north east side of the city.
"City Clean crews are out treating pavements in the city centre and around the hospitals.
"I appreciate the conditions are difficult however I can assure you that we have worked at the weekend, yesterday and all night, and will continue to do so."
9:22am
British Red Cross team of two Land Rovers and emergency support vehicle went to the aid of motorists on the A23 at Handcross between 1am and 6am this morning.
Drivers were said to be hugely relieved to see the support team who brought them blankets,hot drinks and chocolate bars.
Among the anxious drivers were a couple desperate to attend the birth of their granddaughter with their daughter in labour.
9:20am
The Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton and Princess Royal Hospital in Haywards Heath says if people can make it in for their appointment, then staff will be able to see them.
However it reports it has already received calls from patients who are cancelling because of the bad weather.
9:19am
...09:25 Brighton to London Victoria due 10:26, 10:19 Brighton to London Victoria due 11:10, 11:19 Brighton to London Victoria due 12:10.
— @SouthernRailUK 12 March 2013
9:19am
@brightonargus Meadow Parade, Rottingdean 7.35am Snow getting heavier. http://t.co/RYObgUR6oJ
— @RhystheBruce 12 March 2013
9:13am
Good advice from Sussex Police's Superintendent Trevor Botting, crime & Operations for East Sussex Division.
If you have to travel on the roads today, allow more time for your journey, take extra clothing, food and water. Patience is required.
— @SuptBotting 12 March 2013
Please look after your vulnerable neighbours. Look in on them to ensure that & warm and have food available. Lets work together to keep safe
— @SuptBotting 12 March 2013
9:09am
Update from Brighton and Hove City Council: The Royal Pavilion and Brighton Museum are closed.
If you have had to leave your car it's unlikely you'll get a penalty as the road markings are unclear.
The appeal procedure does take into considering mitigating circumstances.
9:06am
Was out and about earlier to assess the roads. It's not great. Please only travel if absolutely necessary. http://t.co/m5mL7DOpk7
— @SuptBotting 12 March 2013
9:06am
Gritters have now been operating continuously for 24hrs; approx 1200tons of salt down so far #WestSussex
— @WSCCGritting 12 March 2013
9:04am
St. George's Neighbourhood Nursery in Kemptown Crypt Community Centre, St. George's Road, Brighton will be closed today because of snow.
9:03am
Update from brighton and Hove City Council: Due to the adverse weather conditions all cremations are cancelled for today, the Bear Road and Lawn Memorial and Extra Mural Cemeteries will be closed until further notice.
9:03am
Latest update from East Sussex County Council: Weather conditions quite varied acropss the county with a few centimetres of snow falling overnight with more on higher ground.
A number of roads have been closed including the B2123 Falmer Road between Falmer and Woodingdean, Ditchling Beacon and the A259 in East Dean.
A snow blower is at East Dean trying to clear the snow.
1,000 tonnes of grit has been laid down overnight - almost ten times what would usually be put down on a frosty night - and 2,000 tonnes in last 24 hours.
The 24 vehicles in the gritting team are just changing drivers and will then be back out on the roads.
A council official said it is quite difficult for grit to take effect without more vehicles travelling on the roads.
Most of the local authority's 191 schools are closed or partially closed today.
8:57am
Patients due to come in for an appointment at Eastbourne District General Hospital and the Conquest Hospital in St Leonards today are advised to call first and check their appointment is still going ahead.
Hospital bosses are aiming to continue as usual but there may be delays if staff have problems getting in.
8:53am
: If the snow wasn't bad enough a lorry just got stuck under 99p store roof,he's gone now.. @brightonargus http://t.co/oFVc6xvQFI
— @georginatt 12 March 2013
8:36am
Latest from Met Office
Headline:
Strong wind gradually easing. Feeling exceptionally cold. Wintry showers.
Today:
Frequent snow showers across Kent, Surrey and Sussex, although late afternoon they will become less widespread.
Elsewhere bright or sunny spells and occasional wintry showers. Feeling exceptionally cold. Gales initially along the coast, but the wind gradually decreases. Maximum Temperature 4 °C.
Tonight:
Scattered snow showers across Kent and East Sussex. Otherwise mainly dry, just isolated snow showers, with clear spells. Risk of ice on untreated surfaces, as a widespread frost occurs. Minimum Temperature -1 °C.
Wednesday:
Many places will start dry, but scattered sleet, hail and snow showers will gradually reach many places through the afternoon. Sunny spells in-between. Still feeling cold. Maximum Temperature 6 °C.
8:36am
People complaining council doing nothing to keep roads open - please think of the workers out all night gritting, but overwhelmed by weather
— @SvenRufus 12 March 2013
8:35am
Around 120 students from German have spent the night in Hastings town hall after heavy snow made the roads in the town impassable.
The party of ten coaches from Senlac Tours, carrying students from Berlin, Leipzig and Dresden, arrived last night arrived.
However the bad weather meant that many local host families were unable to reach the pick up point and the students were left stranded.
Hastings Borough Council agreed to open the town hall with volunteer staff, who made tea and coffee for the teenagers.
A council spokesman said he had seen the chamber used for many things but never something on this scale.
He said the council was pleased to be able to step in and help and the students, teachers and coach drivers appreciated the help.
8:34am
Latest update from the Highways Agency: We have been working throughout the night with our partners in the emergency services and local authorities to respond to hundreds of incidents which took place in heavy snow and strong winds on our network in Kent and Sussex.
We treated our roads continually throughout the afternoon and during the night, but a large number of incidents, including heavy goods vehicles breaking down on hills caused closures at several locations.
As a result, a number of our salt spreaders and recovery vehicles then became caught in the traffic.
Strong winds, gusting at speeds of up to 50 miles an hour created snow drifts of up to a metre in height, in many cases blowing snow back onto the carriageway as soon as it had been cleared.
As part of our emergency response, we used pre-positioned heavy recovery vehicles in six locations in the south east from 6pm onwards to help blockages on the roads.
In locations where blockages were cleared, we were able to dedicate gritting crews to specific stretches of road where the weather was at its worst and to get queuing traffic moving again.
The welfare of people caught in the queues behind road traffic incidents has been paramount and traffic officers and our colleagues in the emergency services have been making contact with people to ensure their well-being.
The Met Office is forecasting heavy snow will continue during the morning of Tuesday 12 March throughout Kent and Sussex.
Our crews will continue to work throughout the day to treat the network and respond to incidents with our partners.
The advice to drivers is therefore only to make journeys if they are absolutely essential and to check road conditions and the weather forecast before they set off.
We advise that they listen to travel bulletins on the radio and take a severe weather emergency kit including warm clothes, food, water, boots, a torch and spade for snow.
When driving in severe winter weather, drivers should leave enough distance between vehicles to stop safely. Incidents and breakdowns can prevent our winter service vehicles from treating the roads and cause further problems.
The position on the condition of our network is constantly changing.
However at the moment we are advising traffic heading north from the Dover Ports to take the M20 London bound and avoid the A2, and traffic heading in and around West Sussex especially on the A23 and M23 are also advised to avoid the areas if possible.
We are expecting that these disruptive weather conditions are likely to continue to cause problems well into the morning rush hour.
8:32am
Sussex Police report that the A22 at Wych Cross is closed.
The A22 at Millbrook Hill, Nutley, across the Ashdown Forest is generally impassable, although 4x4s are getting through with care.
8:32am
Paul Taggart, 41 from Essex Street in Brighton, took 11 hours to travel from Leatherhead to home last night.
He had to be rescued by kindly farmers on Clayton Hill.
Read more about his ordeal in tomorrow's Argus.
8:20am
Latest from Brighton and Hove City Council: Gritters were out over the weekend, yesterday and last night.
Snow ploughs were also out.
There will be more gritting today but it is still snowing which is making conditions very difficult.
Pavements in the city centre, around the hospitals, along London Road and Lewes Road were all pre-salted and will be gritted today as we can get to them.
Temperatures are forecast to remain cold for the next few days so roads and pavements maybe icy.
Please only travel if your journey is absolutely essential
The homeless shelters were open last night.
All refuse rounds are cancelled today as city clean continue with gritting operations and road clearing.
8:13am
Still on A23, not moved yet northbound is moving freely. 6 hours! Come on snow isn't that bad :-O
— @toyahofficial 11 March 2013
8:11am
RT @Cherylbaker: Made it to the services so fuelled up and used the loo. Still miles from Brighton though. Back on the A23 and back in the traffic jam. Bum.
— @ThickBlueLine 12 March 2013
8:11am
Access to Music, Brighton, is closed today.
8:10am
It has been an extremely long night. But we're almost home http://t.co/2wAePoHaDa
— @RizzleKicks 12 March 2013
8:08am
Telscombe Primary School is closed
8:02am
There are still no bus services operating in Brighton and Hove
8:00am
Preston Circus firefighters had a busy start to the night fielding calls of a fire at the University of Brighton, car into a building in Hollingbury and car crash on A27 but said it quitened down after that.
7:54am
Nacro training centre in Melbourne Street, Brighton, is also closed today.
7:53am
Closed today
University of Brighton
Brighton and Hove Pupil Referral Unit
The Connected Hub
7:52am
In the last 24 hours, Sussex Police have attended more than 300 collisions across the county.
No-one suffered any life threatening injuries.
Chief Inspector Phil Nicholas from the Road Policing Unit said: "The conditions meant there was a significant demand on our resources last night and we were stretched to capacity.
"Today is going to be about helping recover vehicles as many people fell asleep in their cars or abandoned them so even when the roads did become clearer they were still blocked by many vehicles.
"We will be assisting the Highways and other partner agencies to recover these vehicles. Although the conditions have inproved slightly, we are asking people to not make any journeys unless they are essential."
The A29 at Bury is still closed this morning.
The A23 is open and passable.
7:50am
A27 at Hollingbury, reports coming in of a build-up of traffic here right outside The Argus offices.
7:49am
A23 one of the worst affected roads in the county last night with some drivers being forced to sleep in their cars.
Latest update is that the section at Albourne is very treacherous with cars doing u-turns.
7:48am
Sussex Police advising that A22 is clossed at Wych Cross and also impassable at Nutley.
7:48am
@brightonargus Cars turning back down northbound A23 at Hickstead junction. Complete standstill. Avoid A23. http://t.co/4g9eUR9Y2r
— @Daz_Ave 12 March 2013
7:37am
Brighton Institute of Modern Music is closed to today. Students are advised to check the music schools's website and Facebook page for any updates.
7:33am
All Big Lemon Bus services are currently suspended
7:31am
See the full school closure list here
Brighton and Hove
Confirmed closed
Brighton and Hove City College
Acorn Nursery, Portslade
Alternative Centre for Education
Bevendean Primary School
Blatchington Mill
Cardinal Newman
Carlton Hill Primary School
Cedar Centre
Cherry Tree Nursery
Coldean Primary School
Coombe Road Primary School
Downs Park School, Portslade
Hangleton Infants and Junior School
Hertford Infant and Nursery School
Hove Park School, both Nevill and Valley Campus sites
Our Lady of Lourdes Catholic Primary School
Patcham High School
Patcham House
Patcham Infant School
Portslade Infant School
Queen's Park Primary and Nursery School
Royal Spa Nursery
Rudyard Kipling Primary School & Nursery, Woodingdean
St Bartholomew's CE Primary School
St John the Baptist School
St Lukes
St Margaret's Rottingdean
St Mark's CE Primary School
St Mary Magdalen's
St Nicolas CE Junior School
Varndean School and Varndean College
West Blatchington Primanary School
Woodingdean Primary School
Reported closed
Downs Junior School
Stanford Junior School
Westdene Primary
BHASVIC
Hove Park
7:19am
Sussex Police urge everyone not to travel unless it is absolutely essential.
7:14am
There are delays and cancellations on all Southern Rail services today.
7:07am
Five abandoned buses stuck in Queens Park Road @brightonargus #Brightonsnow http://t.co/KK1z2jUdgO
— @NoisyComms 12 March 2013
7:07am
Varndean School and Blatchington Mill School are both closed today
7:05am
@brightonargus the scene by St Peters Church #Brighton http://t.co/qhcFMoXddT
— @BrettMendoza 12 March 2013
6:56am
More official school closures in Brighton and Hove
Dorothy Stringer
Brighton and Hove City College
Varndean College will open at morning break to allow time to clear snow from pathways.
6:52am
More official school closures in Brighton and Hove
Bevendean Primary School
Coldean Primary School
Our Lady of Lourdes
Catholic Primary School
Patcham High School
St Bartholomew's CE Primary School
St Margaret's Rottingdean
West Blatchington Primanary School
6:47am
6:36am Tue 12 Mar 13
see and speak sense says
Patcham high closed
6:47am Tue 12 Mar 13
Iain Chambers says
Blatchington Mill School closed
6:47am
Closed in Brighton and Hove
St Mark's CE Primary School
Cardinal Newman
Rudyard Kipling Primary School & Nursery, Woodingdean
Queen's Park Primary
6:42am
School closures announced across Brighton and Hove and East and West Sussex due to snow overnight
East Sussex Schools
Confirmed partly closed today
Chyngton School, Seaford will open at 10.15am to allow staff and pupils to travel safely. Any further decision will be made by 8am.
Hailsham Community College Academy Trust students should arrive no earlier than 10.30am. Any update will be notified by 9am.
Peacehaven Community School will open at 10.30am to ensure student and staff safety.
Peacehaven Heights Primary School will open at 10.30am.
Seaford Head School open from 10.10am.
The Bishop Bell Church Of England School, Eastbourne, school starts at 9.45am as period 1 is cancelled.
Uckfield Community Technology College to start at 11.20am for all year groups.
White House Primary School, Hailsham will not open until 10.30.
Confirmed closed today
Alfriston School All Saints C of E Primary School, Bexhill
Beckley Church of England Primary School
Bexhill High School
Bodiam Church of England Primary School, Robertsbridge
Brede Primary School, Broad Oak
Catsfield Church of England Primary School
Chailey School, South Chailey
Claverham Community College, Battle
Danehill Church of England Primary School
Dudley Infant School, Hastings
Etchingham Church of England Primary School
Frant Church of England Primary School
Grovelands Community School, Hailsham
Guestling-Bradshaw Church of England Primary
Hazel Court Special School, Eastbourne
Helenswood School, St Leonards-on-sea
Icklesham Church of England Primary School
Langney Primary School
Little Common School, Bexhill-on-Sea
Little Ridge Community Primary School, St Leonards-on-Sea
Mayfield Church of England Primary School
Mountfield & Whatlington Church of England Primary School
Netherfield Church of England Primary School
New Horizons School, St Leonards-on-sea
Northiam Church of England Primary School Peasmarsh
Church of England Primary School
Robertsbridge Community College
Rye College
Rye Community Primary School
Sandown Primary School, Hastings
Seaford Primary School
Sedlescombe Church of England Primary School
Silverdale Primary School, St Leonards-on-sea
St Mary Magdalene Catholic Primary School, Bexhill-On-Sea
St Michael's Church of England Primary School, Playden
St Thomas' Church of England Primary School, Winchelsea
Staplecross Methodist Primary School, Robertsbridge
The Causeway School, Eastbourne
The Hastings Academy
The St Leonards Academy, St Leonards-on-sea
Tideway School, Newhaven
West Rise Community Infant School, Eastbourne
West Rise Junior School, Eastbourne
West St Leonards Community Primary School, St Leonards-on-Sea
Westfield School William Parker Sports College, Hastings .
See the latest news headlines from The Argus:
6:28am
The entire length of the A23 is hazardous due to snow and ice, as is the M23.
6:27am
@brightonargus abandoned cars lining the hill out of Rottingdean #snowmageddon http://t.co/OShyzfjFXy
— @The_Queen_Vic 11 March 2013
6:24am
#uksnow #BN41 10/10 Blizzard in Mile Oak! @brightonargus @BBCSouthWeather @bbcsoutheast #Brighton http://t.co/MpoQamzFrS
— @Manarlie 12 March 2013
6:20am
No Brighton and Hove Bus services are operating this morning due to the snowy conditions.
6:18am
Snow is still falling in central Brighton.
6:17am
Putting together the schools list. Cardinal Newman in Hove is closed today.
6:16am
The A23 at Burgess Hill is gridlocked at Handcross Hill northbound and moving slowly southbound.
6:15am
Traffic travelling southbound on the A23 at Pyecombe is currently moving slowly.
6:13am
We're trying to run as full a service as poss, although services from Brighton / Eastbourne / Worthing are subject to cancellation / delays
— @SouthernRailUK 12 March 2013
Comments(41)
Iain Chambers
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6:47am Tue 12 Mar 13
alyn, southwick
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6:51am Tue 12 Mar 13
Iain Chambers
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6:56am Tue 12 Mar 13
Sleepsuit
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6:57am Tue 12 Mar 13
Jamesmoncrieff
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7:05am Tue 12 Mar 13
Westdene Primary closed
sybellius
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7:31am Tue 12 Mar 13
sasquatch2202
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7:36am Tue 12 Mar 13
Tinypaula
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7:44am Tue 12 Mar 13
twonk
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8:08am Tue 12 Mar 13
sasquatch2202
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8:21am Tue 12 Mar 13
sasquatch2202 wrote:Take it all back! just got text from junior school and its closed! just wish they'd come together. cynical me
I've got child in patcham high which is closed and two in patcham junior which is open! Same building! How about a bit of co-ordination or are you trying to score points headmaster? roads impossible so got to walk all kids to school and then take one if them back home, very clever!
plantwoman
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8:33am Tue 12 Mar 13
just-a-person
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8:44am Tue 12 Mar 13
sasquatch2202 wrote:.Patcham High School communicate with the bus company so if they are running the school will usually open too. Patcham Junior School pride themselves on opening regardless of the safety to people who have to travel by car or bus to get in but to far to walk. I agree the headteacher does like to point score there. There website said very early on they were closed today. As Patcham High was closed that would then close the kitchen in the junior school so this could have been a factor in deciding to stay closed today.
sasquatch2202 wrote:Take it all back! just got text from junior school and its closed! just wish they'd come together. cynical me
I've got child in patcham high which is closed and two in patcham junior which is open! Same building! How about a bit of co-ordination or are you trying to score points headmaster? roads impossible so got to walk all kids to school and then take one if them back home, very clever!
qm
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8:58am Tue 12 Mar 13
Major roads closed due to snow and ice! Gosh, if it had been forecast the various agencies would have been able to prepare!
Broadcasts by the said authorities that the gritters have been out in preparation are obviously a total fabrication according to the resulting chaos and anecdotal reports from motorists who have been experiencing conditions out on the roads.
Lets just hope we never experience 5" of snow - like it's never happened before - Then we would REALLY be in trouble!
Boing Boing.
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9:18am Tue 12 Mar 13
It Is!!
Cgull
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9:19am Tue 12 Mar 13
just-a-person
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9:25am Tue 12 Mar 13
twonk wrote:The Argus ????
And which is the only newspaper that didn't make it to the shops?
qm
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9:27am Tue 12 Mar 13
just-a-person wrote:Oh shame on you - how could you say such a thing :))
twonk wrote:The Argus ????
And which is the only newspaper that didn't make it to the shops?
Man With No Name
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10:02am Tue 12 Mar 13
BeeJam
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10:20am Tue 12 Mar 13
NO gritters were visible in B&H yesterday, the snow was gradually getting slippier and yet still nothing.
If BHCC say gritters were out I for one would want to know where and when because no-one else I know has seensaw them.
Has anyone else here seen them?
The chaos on Elm Grove and Freshfield Rd was almost unbelievable last night.
ARGUS - why are you not covering this, who at the council is responsible, what have they done, what did they NOT do?
For goodness sake we only had at most 2 or 3 cm of snow last night and yet almost every road in Brighton was unpassable.
Is this the Green party's way of further punishing the hated motorist?!?
Are roads and pavements going to be gritted immediately to avoid the problems of a couple of years ago, when people were slipping and breaking limbs on sheet ice pavements across the City due to a lack of preparation by BHCC? (amongst other councils, to be fair).
ANSWERS NOW!!
Man With No Name
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10:27am Tue 12 Mar 13
ourcoalition
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10:43am Tue 12 Mar 13
Second - the gritter drivers have been out since Sunday.
With high winds, grit blows off the road, wet snow (up till 5pm yesterday), washes it off. Salt is washed off by cars passing. So unless you have one gritter lorry per road, going up and down, there is no chance of it keeping the surface clear. Then, if the water freezes, and more snow falls on top, all of it becomes pointless.
And, if nothing had been done, how much worse would it be?
Having had to drive late yesterday, I have nothing but praise for the gritter drivers who earnt their money, and were/are knackered from doing their best - yes, it was difficult getting home, but the real problem was other drivers, going much too fast, overtaking, cutting - in (thanks to the red Audi on the A27, by the way - you could have killed several people at the Devil's Dyke slip road), and ones who suddenly stopped for no apparent reason!
Sarah Booker Lewis
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10:51am Tue 12 Mar 13
Maxwell's Ghost
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11:01am Tue 12 Mar 13
Last night, neither road had seen a gritter and there were cars abandoned all over these key routes and a bus had to park up half way up Bear Road.
What has made it worse is the council's roadworks on the Lewes Road for the new bus lane which have closed Coombe Road as a right turn off Lewes Road so traffic was being sent up up Bear Road as a diversion without the diversion being gritted.
And despite the work being done for a new bus lane, there are no buses as the roads weren't gritted.
ericpickles
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11:10am Tue 12 Mar 13
k/1/hi/magazine/8420
755.stm provides a useful summary. Grit and salt are not the magic answer. Winter tyres and adjusted driving technique can give any car the abilities of 4x4s - its why most of the colder countries make winter tyres compulsory.
Man With No Name
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11:10am Tue 12 Mar 13
funkyyoyo
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11:52am Tue 12 Mar 13
mrtricky
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12:08pm Tue 12 Mar 13
qm wrote:The snow and ice didn't 'sneak up on us', it was forecast with advice warnings yesterday on local breakfast and lunchtime TV, Radio and weather bulletins. I therefore followed advice, cancelled an evening appointment, left the car on the drive and stayed warm.
I do so wish this snow etc. hadn't snuck up on us like this.
Major roads closed due to snow and ice! Gosh, if it had been forecast the various agencies would have been able to prepare!
Broadcasts by the said authorities that the gritters have been out in preparation are obviously a total fabrication according to the resulting chaos and anecdotal reports from motorists who have been experiencing conditions out on the roads.
Lets just hope we never experience 5" of snow - like it's never happened before - Then we would REALLY be in trouble!
qm
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12:28pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Roger Williams, East Sussex County Council head of highways, said his staff had been working non-stop since Sunday evening.
He said: "We did everything we possibly could do, there’s nothing we would do differently.
"If we replay the last 36 hours, we would do the same thing again because we were doing the right things."
Obviously not - and therein lies the problem!
qm
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12:35pm Tue 12 Mar 13
mrtricky wrote:My patronising sarcasm obviously past you by mrtricky. In fact the forecasts of which you speak have been in the public domain for some weeks and the precision of those forecasts have become more accurate as time progresses becoming quite specific for the last 10 to 12 days!
qm wrote:The snow and ice didn't 'sneak up on us', it was forecast with advice warnings yesterday on local breakfast and lunchtime TV, Radio and weather bulletins. I therefore followed advice, cancelled an evening appointment, left the car on the drive and stayed warm.
I do so wish this snow etc. hadn't snuck up on us like this.
Major roads closed due to snow and ice! Gosh, if it had been forecast the various agencies would have been able to prepare!
Broadcasts by the said authorities that the gritters have been out in preparation are obviously a total fabrication according to the resulting chaos and anecdotal reports from motorists who have been experiencing conditions out on the roads.
Lets just hope we never experience 5" of snow - like it's never happened before - Then we would REALLY be in trouble!
Maxwell's Ghost
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12:37pm Tue 12 Mar 13
I have lived in my street for more than 20 and without fail Coombe and Bear Rds have always been gritted even if the side roads are not.
Yesterday they had not been and there was chaos particularly as all other key routes to the top of the hills on this side of town and Woodingdean had also been ignored ie Elm Grove and Wilson Avenue which were impassable.
There must be a reason as it was very unusal to be missed off the plan.
Maxwell's Ghost
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12:47pm Tue 12 Mar 13
This map will have been drawn up with the emergency services and which routes get priority to ensure the safety of the city.
There will be a process in which the council launches its plan.
What is this process and what are the triggers and which member and officer launches the plan?
When was it launched and by whom?
While Sarah Booker and a few others say there were gritters out, that could mean that only ten per cent went out and only went out at the last minute when snow had been forecast last week for this week.
Come on Argus, examine more closely.
I think the gritting folk usually do a great job yet something went wrong yesterday, particulalry as snow was forecast and it had been snowing all day and as a local paper you should ask questions.
graham_Seagull
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1:04pm Tue 12 Mar 13
The gritters did the best job they could.
The wind blew the grit off the roads as soon as it went down.
As soon as there's cars queued due to an accident the roads ice up quickly due to non moving traffic.
Did you expect a helicopter to grit your roads in the midst of a jam?
Get realistic - grit can only achieve so much which is why it's not bothered with in snowy countries - the drivers buy winter tyres.
So if you don't want jams take responsibility and buy winter tyres.
Cgull
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1:38pm Tue 12 Mar 13
The salt laid during the early 2012 snowfall was still there, in some places by the kerbs, in Hanover six months on.
If the council are going to lie, for goodness sake come up with a better one than that.
Ballroom Blitz
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2:06pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Thank god this isn't a third world country.
That's irony, by the way.
HJarrs
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2:06pm Tue 12 Mar 13
funkyyoyo wrote:Well Cameron and co will also have to go as the highways agency made an even bigger hash of it with people stranded in their cars overnight!
could councillor davey please tender your resignation and take kittwat with you too!!! you should of had snow ploughs on standby but yet again totally out of touch with reality!!! funny how canada,norway etc etc seem to cope!!! get out and let us have an election NOW!!!
HJarrs
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2:08pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Ballroom Blitz
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2:19pm Tue 12 Mar 13
graham_Seagull wrote:Actually not necessary last night with only about 1 inch of snow. I saw so many drivers who were completely incompetent at driving in snow, and they were the main problem. I followed two taxis up Ditchling Rd, crawling along at about 5mph, and of course they ended up losing traction and skidded sideways across the road, blocking it. Not even the glimmer of an idea how to drive in snow.
Oh good grief.
The gritters did the best job they could.
The wind blew the grit off the roads as soon as it went down.
As soon as there's cars queued due to an accident the roads ice up quickly due to non moving traffic.
Did you expect a helicopter to grit your roads in the midst of a jam?
Get realistic - grit can only achieve so much which is why it's not bothered with in snowy countries - the drivers buy winter tyres.
So if you don't want jams take responsibility and buy winter tyres.
I just wish people who can't handle it would stay at home.
Lostandaway
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3:57pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Let me mention a few things, here in BC where I am working, we do get much more snow than you and we are prepared. Snow tires are not legally required unless you leave the valley and climb the 6000 to 10000 ft mountain passes.
The temperatures can rise to a high of -10C and so the softness of winter tires plus the addition of spikes can help. The snow is "drier" more powdery because of the cold.
The snow ploughs will run 24hrs a day and they can go along the highway 3 or 4 times in a team of 2 spraying sand/grit and dropping ice melt. Wet snow on ice is always a problem, but with care can be negotiated.
We had snow last night and the temp is similar to yours, but the snow plough went along our street at about 4.30 am and has been past the loacal school twice. The wind argument is rubbish, we get that as well.
How the M23 and A23 can be blocked seems impossible if the ploughs had been out in force and cars had been made to "follow" the plough to enable clearing. Here they will come past you and if your car gets sprayed-tough.
We also have many people who have fitted snow ploughs to the front of their 4x4's and ATV's so the pavements might get cleared very quickly plus it is a requirement for the owners/tennents of a property to clear the paths.
Many of us also carry blankets, flasks, food, shovels, axes, toilet rolls to burn outside, candles for warmth etc in vehicles if we are going on a journey
Ballroom Blitz
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5:52pm Tue 12 Mar 13
Lostandaway wrote:Well said. So, as I said in my previous post, it's the lack of driving skills that's the main problem. They can't drive, and then they block the roads.
I'm sorry to read about the problems in Sussex I also note people are comparing the problems with Canada.
Let me mention a few things, here in BC where I am working, we do get much more snow than you and we are prepared. Snow tires are not legally required unless you leave the valley and climb the 6000 to 10000 ft mountain passes.
The temperatures can rise to a high of -10C and so the softness of winter tires plus the addition of spikes can help. The snow is "drier" more powdery because of the cold.
The snow ploughs will run 24hrs a day and they can go along the highway 3 or 4 times in a team of 2 spraying sand/grit and dropping ice melt. Wet snow on ice is always a problem, but with care can be negotiated.
We had snow last night and the temp is similar to yours, but the snow plough went along our street at about 4.30 am and has been past the loacal school twice. The wind argument is rubbish, we get that as well.
How the M23 and A23 can be blocked seems impossible if the ploughs had been out in force and cars had been made to "follow" the plough to enable clearing. Here they will come past you and if your car gets sprayed-tough.
We also have many people who have fitted snow ploughs to the front of their 4x4's and ATV's so the pavements might get cleared very quickly plus it is a requirement for the owners/tennents of a property to clear the paths.
Many of us also carry blankets, flasks, food, shovels, axes, toilet rolls to burn outside, candles for warmth etc in vehicles if we are going on a journey
Ballroom Blitz
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9:55pm Tue 12 Mar 13
see and speak sense says...
6:36am Tue 12 Mar 13