Nurses issue stark warning over Brighton hospital crisis (From The Argus)

It is quite simple, this is either the "cut backs" taking their toll or the population of Brighton & Hove has grown to such an extent that the hopital is no longer able to cope!
In contrast, Worthing hospital is a pleasant environment with very few aggressive alcoholics and drug takers clogging up the waiting area.
Moral of the story.... go private!

There are no Private A&E departments!

hyram77 wrote:
It is quite simple, this is either the "cut backs" taking their toll or the population of Brighton & Hove has grown to such an extent that the hopital is no longer able to cope!
In contrast, Worthing hospital is a pleasant environment with very few aggressive alcoholics and drug takers clogging up the waiting area.
Moral of the story.... go private!

Or don't get ill.

Probably cyclists taking up all the space in A&E.

Perhaps HMG will waver once again and decide that despite the Health Service still being 'safe in their hands' as it wasn't under Thatcher to start to devote some real energy to addressing the issues that an ageing and embattled populace face.
Remove wasteful bureaucrats and senior managers and put the resources into nursing and patient-facing medical staff!

The NHS is suffering due to cuts just like the police and all other public services.I think immigration has also added to patient numbers.If the RSCH is really suffering so bad,y from lack of beds there is a hospital that is quietly getting shut down only a few miles away with empty ready built wards WHERE?SOUTHLANDS .I recently went there all the wards have shut down and most services have been moved to Worthing.I had to have a scan and because it was the only dept left in that part of the hospital the heating was even turned off.Surely now and while the RSCH is getting rebuilt it would make sence to use SOUTHLANDS to ease the pressue on patients.Its probably red tape ie different trusts and different counties that stop this obvious solution happening as well as the massive cuts.Remember CAMERON said the NHS is safe with him well he has lied services,staff has been cut as well as the NHS quietly getting privatised.

you could always ask to see one of the clergy employed by the NHS. Its a nice little earner eh when patients are suffering.
Look at management pay and see where the cuts can be made there.

How I survived 3 months of agony I'll never know!
Having had operations cancelled due to lack of bed/s at Eastbourne & Haywards Heath after waiting 18 wks & 7 wks, in the past 14 months, it's not just RSCH on "life support".

RSCH WILL reply to me coz the Health Ombudsman gonna bend the pen pushers & box tickers ear until they do!!

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
All of these problems are due to this unelected government deliberately cutting funds to the NHS as so many of them have financial interests in private health care companies - they're going to be making £millions out of devastating OUR NHS - don't ever vote in Conservatives or Lib dems again and unless you're happy for babies to be brutally mutilated (circumcision) don't vote in Labour as Ed Miliband has this week made assurances to his fellow jews that he will not stop circumcision or kosher slaughter, where the poor animals are not stunned first, so suffer terribly as they have a very long, slow, agonising death as their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death - so don't vote Labour either.

Look for a different political party - one that promises to rebuild this country and the NHS because we have allowed these parties to destroy them.

Got any suggestions as to who to vote for then? I can't wait for this.....

Best time experienced seeing a loved one who had not eaten in 14 hours and being moved from AMU in the middle of evening meal being served, even though we protested the senior nurse in charge was not interested in patient care but getting the bed as people were queuing.

Even worse was to come, getting to a new ward when the evening meal had already been served 30 minutes earlier to be told sorry but the previous ward should have fed you before being moved. Family then had the indignity in going out as the cafés had shut around the hospital to get her a meal.

I worked at this dept for many years and can I just say that the nurses work sooo god **** hard and have been trying to make the people who control the staffing levels/budget for years that we simply can not deliver the care that most of us in our hearts want to deliver!
The dept has seen many ups and downs in the last 10 years with many different management changes and some times lack of support but still we come in do the job, cry over sad events that have taken place in our care with our pts or behind closed doors. We stay late when we have our own family's to care for so that we can try and make our pts feel better!
We go with out breaks most days and then get slatted for having a cup of tea at our desk! We can't win! I think the person who has brought this to the public attention needs a medal!!!
Please remember people that yes we are nurses and yes we choose this profession but we are still human we still care and we on the whole still love being nurses!
I have a lot of love for that sept and still regard the staff there as extended family!!!

Pants00 says it all, it is not the staff it is the system that has brought the problems for patients. close a department send 100% more patients to another hospital but do not increase the staff or facilities. the other thing is get rid of degree courses for nurses, these take them away from wards etc., and concentrate on theory whereas they should be at the coal face with patients learning to observe and use common sense, nurses are so pressureised these days give them a chance to nurse not just study.

Most of the A&E nurses did the diploma course so more practical and have bumped up their diplomas to degrees by going back to do top courses mostly in their own time and its courses that are clinical in nature so help improve practice and care for our emergency pts! Just so you know :-)

Whats going on???? wrote:
Best time experienced seeing a loved one who had not eaten in 14 hours and being moved from AMU in the middle of evening meal being served, even though we protested the senior nurse in charge was not interested in patient care but getting the bed as people were queuing.

Even worse was to come, getting to a new ward when the evening meal had already been served 30 minutes earlier to be told sorry but the previous ward should have fed you before being moved. Family then had the indignity in going out as the cafés had shut around the hospital to get her a meal.

Oh stop whinging, people are dying and all you can do is focus on food! No wonder the country is going to the dogs.

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
All of these problems are due to this unelected government deliberately cutting funds to the NHS as so many of them have financial interests in private health care companies - they're going to be making £millions out of devastating OUR NHS - don't ever vote in Conservatives or Lib dems again and unless you're happy for babies to be brutally mutilated (circumcision) don't vote in Labour as Ed Miliband has this week made assurances to his fellow jews that he will not stop circumcision or kosher slaughter, where the poor animals are not stunned first, so suffer terribly as they have a very long, slow, agonising death as their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death - so don't vote Labour either.

Look for a different political party - one that promises to rebuild this country and the NHS because we have allowed these parties to destroy them.

We don't elect a government and never have. We elect only our constituency MPs. After an election, regardless of the result, the first person given the chance to form a new government is the sitting PM. This is why Gordon Brown did not resign for days after the last election. The only government that could be formed with an overall majority that was acceptable to the parties involved was a Con-LibDem coalition. A Labour-Lib coalition would not have had a majority over the Tories.

FatherTed11 wrote:
Probably cyclists taking up all the space in A&E.

Report from a doctor to a cyclist – I’m afraid your have a rear illness called red light blindness that’s why you where hit by the car lol

My father in law died on a trolley in a corridoor in the Sussex County in 1999.
It hasn't improved much evidently.

Who ever thinks worthing is a good AandE With no drunks must go there at a weekend my wife has ended up there twice rushed in at a weekend it was full of rude screaming drunks with no room for my wife who was left on a bed in the corridorNo staff to look at her as to busy with rude people who just drunk or hurt self drunk that all think they needed seeing first.
NHS is a reck thanks to cut backs and all the EU moving in getting free care off us tax payers if you want gd fast care now you have to pay as i have had to do after two years trying to find out whats up with my wife.

I'm 100% behind Pants00 on this one. I'm ex staff myself....and the sad thing is, most of us have seen this coming, although trying to be taken seriously at a senior level eg staffing has been consistenly ignored for several years now

angrymonkey wrote:
Who ever thinks worthing is a good AandE With no drunks must go there at a weekend my wife has ended up there twice rushed in at a weekend it was full of rude screaming drunks with no room for my wife who was left on a bed in the corridorNo staff to look at her as to busy with rude people who just drunk or hurt self drunk that all think they needed seeing first.
NHS is a reck thanks to cut backs and all the EU moving in getting free care off us tax payers if you want gd fast care now you have to pay as i have had to do after two years trying to find out whats up with my wife.

What is up with her?

sadly i am not in charge but i feel that the emergency services should not be subject to any cutbacks in budgets, or have any targets to meet. however, the money they do get should be spent wisely, and overseen by outside accountants. the public also need to be shown that A&E departments are exactly that, not for when you cut your finger, or have a sniffle. anyone who is admitted through their own negligence should be presented with the bill for their treatment, which will, in turn, make people more careful. there are too many levels of management who are getting paid ridiculous amounts of money for basically doing sod all, another Labour legacy. there needs to be an overall manager, and a department manager for each department. after that, matrons for each ward, and that is it. invest in bringing through new nursing staff, and paying them a decent rate, for reasonable hours. yes they need cover 24/7, but why do nurses have to do 12 hour shifts?why not 8 hours, like most other people? then they wouldn't be tired, and in a position to make mistakes

they should have 1 section for drunks/ drug addicts/ foreigners and another for non freeloading tax payers and workers... or is it not too pc to sat that

There is simply nothing wrong with the NHS and there is no requirement to change or modify anything.

Mid staffordshire is no more than a mere blip in the system. People die, so what?

Plantpot wrote:

getThisCoalitionOut wrote: All of these problems are due to this unelected government deliberately cutting funds to the NHS as so many of them have financial interests in private health care companies - they're going to be making £millions out of devastating OUR NHS - don't ever vote in Conservatives or Lib dems again and unless you're happy for babies to be brutally mutilated (circumcision) don't vote in Labour as Ed Miliband has this week made assurances to his fellow jews that he will not stop circumcision or kosher slaughter, where the poor animals are not stunned first, so suffer terribly as they have a very long, slow, agonising death as their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death - so don't vote Labour either. Look for a different political party - one that promises to rebuild this country and the NHS because we have allowed these parties to destroy them.

Got any suggestions as to who to vote for then? I can't wait for this.....

ukip all the way!

The first thing thats wrong with this hospital is that its not a trauma center or will never be one, they just took the funding. The second thing is sodexo, the services they offer are rubbish, all the complaints about them and nothing is done about them...i'm sure someone is getting back handers to let this go on longer....the hospital is a junk yard now. a&e is not the only place short staffed at all thats just front line so everyone can see it..i can go on and on about things i see what put patients at risk, but no one really cares there now....it makes me feel sick...

If the place wasn't awash with alcohol abusers,genuine patients would be better served.

Brighton is full of alcoholics and binge drinkers,the hospital is overwhelmed by them,and service is suffering because the alcohol abusers push to the front of the queue and everyone else pays the price.

hubby wrote:
My father in law died on a trolley in a corridoor in the Sussex County in 1999. It hasn't improved much evidently.

people who are very unwell sometimes die in hospitals

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
All of these problems are due to this unelected government deliberately cutting funds to the NHS as so many of them have financial interests in private health care companies - they're going to be making £millions out of devastating OUR NHS - don't ever vote in Conservatives or Lib dems again and unless you're happy for babies to be brutally mutilated (circumcision) don't vote in Labour as Ed Miliband has this week made assurances to his fellow jews that he will not stop circumcision or kosher slaughter, where the poor animals are not stunned first, so suffer terribly as they have a very long, slow, agonising death as their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death - so don't vote Labour either. Look for a different political party - one that promises to rebuild this country and the NHS because we have allowed these parties to destroy them.

Have you not been taking your medication recently?

Vigilia wrote:
There is simply nothing wrong with the NHS and there is no requirement to change or modify anything.

Mid staffordshire is no more than a mere blip in the system. People die, so what?

A stupid comment like that will come back to haunt you one day.

My husband had the misfortune to be involved in an RTA in December. We were in A&E at the RSCH for around 8 hours and were appalled at the number of people who seemed to be there for no other reason than they were drunk. People like that should be sent straight home, as should the people with whom there didn't seem to be much wrong at all, especially the ones who were asleep, they can't have been in that much pain if they were able to drop off! About 10 days after the accident, my husband finally got an op to pin his shoulder and wrist back together after it had been cancelled once due to lack of beds. I cannot praise the staff highly enough, both on our A&E visit and my husband's hospital stay for the operation. In spite of having worked long shifts and clearly being exhausted, all the doctors and nurses were amazing. Sending home the drunks and malingerers would go a very long way to reducing the hospital's problems. Oh and fully utilising the A&E at the Princess Royal in Haywards Heath instead of sending everyone to Brighton!

One one of my visits via ambulance in December the majority of the 7-8 waiting seemed to be drunk/drugged up, one crashed out over 3 chairs. Wouldn't surprise me if some were homeless keeping out of the very cold weather, and not bothered if the got treatment or not. That was a Tuesday, hate to think what the weekends are like!

Somethingsarejustwro
ng wrote:

Whats going on???? wrote: Best time experienced seeing a loved one who had not eaten in 14 hours and being moved from AMU in the middle of evening meal being served, even though we protested the senior nurse in charge was not interested in patient care but getting the bed as people were queuing. Even worse was to come, getting to a new ward when the evening meal had already been served 30 minutes earlier to be told sorry but the previous ward should have fed you before being moved. Family then had the indignity in going out as the cafés had shut around the hospital to get her a meal.

Oh stop whinging, people are dying and all you can do is focus on food! No wonder the country is going to the dogs.

Somethingsarejustwro
ng

Actually for you information this person was actually on the brink of dying as she did not have enough energy to do anything as her body was flushing fluids/food too quickly from her body along with malfunctioning equipment. Do you really think I would have posted this if it was just down to food!!! ****, try thinking again before you post a ridiculous comment. Just for you next time I will write you an essay.

Luckily for us and family members, we cared enough to stay around and ensured she was properly cared for due to lack of staffing at RSCH. I admire at the nurses up there, they are just so pressurised and they do the best they can with staffing available to them.

It should not be down to family to help out when they are short staffed. What about all the people who do not have families??

angrymonkey wrote:
Who ever thinks worthing is a good AandE With no drunks must go there at a weekend my wife has ended up there twice rushed in at a weekend it was full of rude screaming drunks with no room for my wife who was left on a bed in the corridorNo staff to look at her as to busy with rude people who just drunk or hurt self drunk that all think they needed seeing first.
NHS is a reck thanks to cut backs and all the EU moving in getting free care off us tax payers if you want gd fast care now you have to pay as i have had to do after two years trying to find out whats up with my wife.

You are correct about the NHS being used as a health service for the EU,but I think its worse than that its a health servise for the world.The trouble is if the government continues to let uncontrooled immigration carry on they should also be made to provide services for them,as many new arrivals don't have a GP I think they use the A&E as first point of call for medical help which is putting strain on genuine emergencies.The problem is down to cuts,and government not providing services for people they have let in I suppose this stems to other services too like primary school places housing etc basically everythings under strain you cant blame the new arrivals they are just trying to better themselves .

I am 78 with a lot wrong with me but I would take an ov erdose before I ended up in a hospital ward. Now if I was royalty of an MP I would have a private room.Again stop paying millions to the NHS for priests etc. Stop wars in other places sending our young to get killed or injured. No if you have oil in your country you are ok.Stop encouraging women to have too many children, I know it is a religious thing mostly.but have what you can afford to keep warm and fed well .

Every hospital has to serve its population, whether they be drunks, drug addicts, or people who have fallen off their horses whilst riding back to their mansions. We have a moral duty to care for the sick, and not turn people from our doors because they are of a different nationality - that is what makes us better than most of the world. This is not the problem - the problem is an ageing population, living longer, not enough community care, and technology having advanced so that we keep sicker people alive, who take up our hospital space for longer. The problem with RSCH is that it simply does not have enough beds to move the patients out of A&E to. Therefore what starts off as decent staffing levels for what should be a certain amount of patients in the A&E department, becomes unsafe when that number doubles due to the patients needing to be admitted having nowhere to go. It really is that simple. RSCH needs more beds.

if you only knew how much of a state this hospital is in it would be shut down. broken beds all over the place, mattresses with brown stains on them. chairs that are falling apart and have no brakes. doctors using the police bay in a&e as their own private parking place also doctors discussing patients private details in corridors the cleaning hasn't been done properly since before christmas, hand gel machines empty. how this hospital has not killed anyone is a miracle..or has it...plus what about sodexo...why are they here.they have played a massive part in destroying this hospital too..i have never seen such a useless company in my life...they might be cheaper but they are dangerous.value for money.i dont think so. what a waste of tax payers money. here is a thought how about we get the nhs to agree on a reporter interviewing the nurses on the wards to see how well sodexo are really doing...how many delays they cause and how much more infection there is now. if there is nothing to hide with this company this will be agreed...thousands of complaints. enough is enough...we want them gone...oh yeah £10 per day for a bl**dy tv...talk about picking on the helpless..oh and what would happen if there was a major trauma since there is only 5 trolley spaces in resus.what were the plans, treat them in the car park. lets just hope we dont have a major trauma any time soon ay.

Ignore the usual TORY trolls defending the results of their nasty leader CAMERON.


They ALSO dont care if we die, so long as they make money.

PLANTPOT is one of them, always spouting the same right wing nonsense, always ignoring facts.


SOMETHINGSAREJUSTWRO
NG is another, as is

DAVYBOY

IGNORE them and they will just fade away, just like the TORY party is doing now. Dont bother trying to get them to admit anything, see sense, or logic. They are like children who just want attention.


For any sensible people, the idiots blaming LABOUR...

CAMERON MARCH 2008 "The economic problems in the UK are Labours fault due to TOO MUCH BANKING REGULATIONS" (Tories then DEFEATED Labour's attempt to INCREASE regulations)

CAMERON 2013 "The UK economic problems are due to Labour not putting ENOUGH REGULATIONS in place"


OSBORNE 2010 "The threat of losing the UK's Triple AAA status is so great that we MUST CALL AN EARLY GENERAL ELECTION"

OSBORNE 2013 "LOSING the UK's Triple AAA status is UNIMPORTANT"

OSBORNE MARCH 2013 - Only EU member to REFUSE CAPPING BANKERS BONUSES after Cameron has also put in place NO regulation on bankers (despite blaming Labour/ bankers for the recession)

THERE YOU HAVE IT. EVERYTHING you need to know about TORIES, CAMERON, OSBORNE, and ANYONE 'claiming' Labour were responsible for the fall of WORLDWIDE banks in America, Iceland, and across Europe.


ANYONE who claims otherwise is KNOWINGLY LYING TO YOU.

Oh, and my use of caps is for said dumb people who seem to need the facts shown to them in BIG LETTERS.

Don't take my word for it, spend all of 5 seconds Googling what I have said. You'll get HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of results from NON-BIASED sources, and from both left AND right wing papers, all ADMITTING same.

The Tories are splitting, so they keep the same lies of blame Labour, blame foreigners, the poor, the disabled etc.

Only idiots and hateful sad little boys believe them. Which reminds me, how is your medication going 'Plantpot'?

AND the NHS had the HIGHEST EVER APPROVAL RATING when Labour left office. Now Tories running it down with scare stories and cuts to fool idiots into accepting privatisation, it has the LOWEST rating.


"Duh, what a coincidence..it must be the foreigners or summink, or 'health tourists like wot the SUN / Daily MAIL told me waz tru - I MUST VOTE UKIP / TORY / FOR UFO'S"


WOW! Some people really are stupid and hateful!

whereisthe...? wrote:
AND the NHS had the HIGHEST EVER APPROVAL RATING when Labour left office. Now Tories running it down with scare stories and cuts to fool idiots into accepting privatisation, it has the LOWEST rating.


"Duh, what a coincidence..it must be the foreigners or summink, or 'health tourists like wot the SUN / Daily MAIL told me waz tru - I MUST VOTE UKIP / TORY / FOR UFO'S"


WOW! Some people really are stupid and hateful!

AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE A BRAIN WASHED/CONDITIONED VIEW!

However, the informed and intelligent among us know that a party that supports and rewards lowest common denominator thinking and delivery is only appreciated by people already in that space. Oh yes...and the people who have the most to lose often shout loudest!

The parts of the NHS that can generate profits will be privatised. The profit margin will be indirectly and discreetly propped up with public money - as is the case elsewhere at present. Services will deteriorate.
The UK demographics and infrastructure makes present life expectancy untenable. I applaud the present and future governments privatisation initiatives, which will reduce life expectancy of poor people to more affordable levels.

I read this week that someone born around now could possibly live to..150.

Surprised I made it from 55 to 56 in Febuary myself!

Rocker wrote:
If the place wasn't awash with alcohol abusers,genuine patients would be better served.

Brighton is full of alcoholics and binge drinkers,the hospital is overwhelmed by them,and service is suffering because the alcohol abusers push to the front of the queue and everyone else pays the price.

Late nights you are probably right,but the biggest problem is people are using A&E as a first line of call for treatment instead of GPs,NHS direct ETC.Its not just happening at RSCH but in most areas across the UK.In the local paper in Cumbria it blamed new immigrants for using the A&E as first point of call as they did not have a GP perhaps its happening in brighton if it is and they attend A&E and don't have a GP they should get one immediately.Cuts are obviously also hitting frontline services.I hope when the new hospital starts getting built they use the quietly getting shutdown southlands which has wards already built UNUSED but I suppose its a different trust and county so unused facilities wont be shared even though its still the NHS.

wendy-uk wrote:
My husband had the misfortune to be involved in an RTA in December. We were in A&E at the RSCH for around 8 hours and were appalled at the number of people who seemed to be there for no other reason than they were drunk. People like that should be sent straight home, as should the people with whom there didn't seem to be much wrong at all, especially the ones who were asleep, they can't have been in that much pain if they were able to drop off! About 10 days after the accident, my husband finally got an op to pin his shoulder and wrist back together after it had been cancelled once due to lack of beds. I cannot praise the staff highly enough, both on our A&E visit and my husband's hospital stay for the operation. In spite of having worked long shifts and clearly being exhausted, all the doctors and nurses were amazing. Sending home the drunks and malingerers would go a very long way to reducing the hospital's problems. Oh and fully utilising the A&E at the Princess Royal in Haywards Heath instead of sending everyone to Brighton!

Sometimes people don't look ill but are ,I went in pain in a ambulance but by the time I got there the pain had eased I was told off and given gaviscon,i put up with the pain for another year because of that but then insisted on checks and was diagnosed with bowel and liver cancer.Sometimes A&E get it wrong but that's only human,but since diagnosis I give the NHS 10/10 .But I see your point about drunks,and people that use A&E as first point of call for non urgent injuries and illnesses.My point is some people don't look ill but can actually be very seriously ill .

clubrob6 wrote:

Rocker wrote:
If the place wasn't awash with alcohol abusers,genuine patients would be better served.

Brighton is full of alcoholics and binge drinkers,the hospital is overwhelmed by them,and service is suffering because the alcohol abusers push to the front of the queue and everyone else pays the price.

Late nights you are probably right,but the biggest problem is people are using A&E as a first line of call for treatment instead of GPs,NHS direct ETC.Its not just happening at RSCH but in most areas across the UK.In the local paper in Cumbria it blamed new immigrants for using the A&E as first point of call as they did not have a GP perhaps its happening in brighton if it is and they attend A&E and don't have a GP they should get one immediately.Cuts are obviously also hitting frontline services.I hope when the new hospital starts getting built they use the quietly getting shutdown southlands which has wards already built UNUSED but I suppose its a different trust and county so unused facilities wont be shared even though its still the NHS.

One of the problems is that many people don't have any confidence in the out of hours service. I don't - the doctor who comes out knows nothing about your medical history - and in my experience isn't very interested...and half the time they are VERY reluctant to even come and visit you at home....and with NHS Direct calls taking up to four hours to phone you back - is it any wonder people go to A&E if they're in terrible pain or feeling desperate...

****-Biker wrote:

hubby wrote:
My father in law died on a trolley in a corridoor in the Sussex County in 1999. It hasn't improved much evidently.

people who are very unwell sometimes die in hospitals

Not much dignity or chance of being treated/revived in a corridoor.
People seem to go into this hospital with relatively minor illnesses and end up dying of something more serious.
MRSA springs to mind.

I am sure when your relative was in hospital they simply did not have enough beds, unfortunately hospitals get clogged up with those I deem as “professional patients” who get a kick out of being in hospital.
Yes I am sure there have been MSRA infections but I expect these have become rarer nowadays due to better training