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Brighton and Hove Albion fans name and shame homophobic rivals

The Argus: Albion fans name and shame homophobic rivals Albion fans name and shame homophobic rivals

Albion supporters have “named and shamed” rival clubs in a bid to stamp out homophobia on match days.

A new report into incidents so far this season, reveals that Seagulls fans suffer anti-gay abuse against two-thirds of teams.

It comes as police confirmed that Blackburn's Colin Kazim-Richards may face criminal charges for alleged gestures made against Albion fans.

Officers have interviewed the former Brighton and Hove striker and a report has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service for consideration.

Fans reported abuse from 72% of their rivals, including incidents at 70% of away games and 57% of home games so far this season.

“Fairly mild” chants such as “does your boyfriend know you are here” and “we can see you holding hands” were common at many grounds.

Others, which are too offensive to print, were reported at games against the likes of Sheffield Wednesday, Crystal Palace and Bristol City.

Liz Costa, vice chair of Brighton and Hove Albion Supporters' Club, said: “We have put up with this kind of abuse for many years, but not anymore.

“Some may call it banter but if this was racist then the authorities would be on it in a flash.

“It's time we stamped out this kind if abuse.” The first recorded incident of the season was on August 14 away to Swindon Town.

A number of homophobic chants were reported with the club later apologising for their fans.

Just four days later at Hull City's KC Stadium, a player was said to have rubbed his hands up and down his backside several times in front of Albion fans.

A Hull FC spokesman described the incident as a “misunderstanding” adding that the player's shorts fell down following a slide tackle and he pulled them up “a little too slowly”.

Homophobic chanting was also heard at away games against Burnley, Millwall, Leicester City, Huddersfield Town, Charlton Athletic, Birmingham City, Sheffield Wednesday, Bristol City, Bolton Wanderers and Nottingham Forest.

At the Amex away supporters from Leeds United, Bolton Wanderers, Watford, Millwall, Newcastle United, Arsenal, Blackburn Rovers and Crystal Palace were all reported hurling abuse at Albion fans.

Among the more serious allegations involve Burnley fans at the September 1 game.

The report states that they used so many derogatory words that BBC Sussex has to run off a microphone and apologise on air several times.

Following the home game against Millwall on December 18 last year, a father and son were targeted outside the Amex with away fans reportedly asking: “do you pass him around?”

On January 22 away against Blackburn Rovers two Albion fans are said to be have been attacked outside the ground although no action was taken.

Sarah Watts, secretary of the supporters' club, said: “We hope that this report will increase public awareness and help educate our fellow members of the football family of the issues faced, to address them and, ultimately the need to treat each other with basic respect.”

The FA is now sending a letter to each club team visiting the Amex warning them of the ongoing problem.

They also offer members of the supporters' club as a liaison person for the fixture.

BEST AND WORST

There have been reports of homophobic abuse at both the home and away fixtures against the following clubs:

  • Bolton Wanderers
  • Blackburn Rovers
  • Hull City
  • Millwall
  • Crystal Palace

The following teams have played Albion home and away with no reports of homophobic abuse:

  • Cardiff City
  • Barnsley
  • Ipswich Town
  • Derby County

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8:05am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

How are the chants homophobic? It's often said that it's the 'same as racist chants in the 1970s' and in fact it isn't. The racist chants were aimed specifically at black players because of the colour of their skins, none of the so-called 'homophobic' chants are aimed at openly-gay players, rather they are usually chants from (largely) male, heterosexual fans to other (largely) male heterosexual fans. They are admittedly boorish, often crude and always unoriginal, but I'm not convinced they're really 'homophobic'.
How are the chants homophobic? It's often said that it's the 'same as racist chants in the 1970s' and in fact it isn't. The racist chants were aimed specifically at black players because of the colour of their skins, none of the so-called 'homophobic' chants are aimed at openly-gay players, rather they are usually chants from (largely) male, heterosexual fans to other (largely) male heterosexual fans. They are admittedly boorish, often crude and always unoriginal, but I'm not convinced they're really 'homophobic'. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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8:10am Wed 3 Apr 13

El Duderino says...

I can see why people find it irritating, but it is just banter IMO with little or no truth behind it, as much as saying all people from croydon beat their wives and live in slums . But if the LGBT community/ demographic feel excluded from watching or participating in football then something needs to be done because the game was invented to bring people together
I can see why people find it irritating, but it is just banter IMO with little or no truth behind it, as much as saying all people from croydon beat their wives and live in slums . But if the LGBT community/ demographic feel excluded from watching or participating in football then something needs to be done because the game was invented to bring people together El Duderino
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8:33am Wed 3 Apr 13

HJarrs says...

In recent years, on the few occasions my home town team have by B&H, I have been embarrassed by homophobic chants by men in their 20s to 50s, all old enough to know better. I would welcome the stewards having a word. It is time to move on.
In recent years, on the few occasions my home town team have by B&H, I have been embarrassed by homophobic chants by men in their 20s to 50s, all old enough to know better. I would welcome the stewards having a word. It is time to move on. HJarrs
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8:53am Wed 3 Apr 13

george smith says...

HJarrs wrote:
In recent years, on the few occasions my home town team have by B&H, I have been embarrassed by homophobic chants by men in their 20s to 50s, all old enough to know better. I would welcome the stewards having a word. It is time to move on.
Where is your home town, crystal palace, gillingham?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: In recent years, on the few occasions my home town team have by B&H, I have been embarrassed by homophobic chants by men in their 20s to 50s, all old enough to know better. I would welcome the stewards having a word. It is time to move on.[/p][/quote]Where is your home town, crystal palace, gillingham? george smith
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8:55am Wed 3 Apr 13

Rocco10 says...

I've witnessed the "does your boyfriend know you're here" chant at a lot of matches not even involving Brighton. It's much wider than that and BHA fans aren't being singled out as much as they like to think they are.
I've witnessed the "does your boyfriend know you're here" chant at a lot of matches not even involving Brighton. It's much wider than that and BHA fans aren't being singled out as much as they like to think they are. Rocco10
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8:55am Wed 3 Apr 13

Brightonlad86 says...

Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter.

Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO.

What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it?

As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored. Brightonlad86
  • Score: 1

9:06am Wed 3 Apr 13

ArabicWil says...

Obviously it's a shame if it means that the LGBT community feel excluded from the football but I also feel that, in a way we should be proud of our club's/city's association with the community- just as Spurs, the 'Jewish' club took Yid Army from being offensive to a part of their identity, I feel that one of Brighton's best features is its openness and we should be proud of that. Other clubs can chant if they want to, it really just shows that we are leaps and bounds ahead in our social attitudes if they do!
Obviously it's a shame if it means that the LGBT community feel excluded from the football but I also feel that, in a way we should be proud of our club's/city's association with the community- just as Spurs, the 'Jewish' club took Yid Army from being offensive to a part of their identity, I feel that one of Brighton's best features is its openness and we should be proud of that. Other clubs can chant if they want to, it really just shows that we are leaps and bounds ahead in our social attitudes if they do! ArabicWil
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9:07am Wed 3 Apr 13

Sheil says...

OMG this is so pathetic! It's not aimed at one single person therefore no harm is being done!
It's just banter which actually gets the fans more vociferous which automatically creates a great atmosphere.
How sensitive are we becoming?
Next we will be banned from shouting at the players or God forbid it the Ref.
OMG this is so pathetic! It's not aimed at one single person therefore no harm is being done! It's just banter which actually gets the fans more vociferous which automatically creates a great atmosphere. How sensitive are we becoming? Next we will be banned from shouting at the players or God forbid it the Ref. Sheil
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9:16am Wed 3 Apr 13

NIMBY hater says...

It's about time that the Supporters' Club kept quiet for a change. They don't speak for the majority of the fans. It's all "me me me" with them.
It's about time that the Supporters' Club kept quiet for a change. They don't speak for the majority of the fans. It's all "me me me" with them. NIMBY hater
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9:17am Wed 3 Apr 13

mark by the sea says...

What's next little people being abused! Fans call refs little ---- is the swear word any worse than being small and being bullied? Cardiff fans get stick for being welsh... Northern fans abuse for being dirty..
The homophobic chants are being aimed at people who are not gay! So is it homophobic? The chants don't target gay people as individuals.
Sadly it's the political angle being used by a few do gooders .
What's next little people being abused! Fans call refs little ---- is the swear word any worse than being small and being bullied? Cardiff fans get stick for being welsh... Northern fans abuse for being dirty.. The homophobic chants are being aimed at people who are not gay! So is it homophobic? The chants don't target gay people as individuals. Sadly it's the political angle being used by a few do gooders . mark by the sea
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9:34am Wed 3 Apr 13

albionite says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter.

Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO.

What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it?

As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys". albionite
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9:41am Wed 3 Apr 13

spa301 says...

I can't help thinking that advertising how offended certain fans are will surely increase the 'banter'. If opposition fans feel it has an impact they'll revel in it and increase it.
Laugh it off and you defeat them.
I can't help thinking that advertising how offended certain fans are will surely increase the 'banter'. If opposition fans feel it has an impact they'll revel in it and increase it. Laugh it off and you defeat them. spa301
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10:05am Wed 3 Apr 13

Brightonlad86 says...

albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter.

Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO.

What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it?

As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..
[quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".[/p][/quote]Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song.. Brightonlad86
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10:11am Wed 3 Apr 13

sean04 says...

It really isn't that much of a problem. It isn't aimed at anyone in particular, and it happens in a lot of grounds involving other teams who have nothing to do with BHAFC. My favourite has to be Leeds' ... 'Stand up if you can't sit down'!!!!
It really isn't that much of a problem. It isn't aimed at anyone in particular, and it happens in a lot of grounds involving other teams who have nothing to do with BHAFC. My favourite has to be Leeds' ... 'Stand up if you can't sit down'!!!! sean04
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10:24am Wed 3 Apr 13

Morpheus says...

Isn't this just typical of behaviour everywhere? The government can pass all the laws they want about what people should think and do, but they can never make then do it.
Isn't this just typical of behaviour everywhere? The government can pass all the laws they want about what people should think and do, but they can never make then do it. Morpheus
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11:07am Wed 3 Apr 13

Dr Wombleface says...

Personally, at the level I've generally experienced it's just banter, although I appreciate some may have been on the receiving end of some more upsetting remarks. Certainly the comments mentioned that the man and his son had to put up with outside the Amex take it to another level. I believe (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), the law states that it doesn't have to be aimed at a homosexual person to be deemed an anti-gay remark. If someone takes offence at it regardless of their sexuality, they can complain that it is homophobic.
I'm white, but I don't want to hear racist comments whether they are aimed at me or not.
Personally, at the level I've generally experienced it's just banter, although I appreciate some may have been on the receiving end of some more upsetting remarks. Certainly the comments mentioned that the man and his son had to put up with outside the Amex take it to another level. I believe (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong), the law states that it doesn't have to be aimed at a homosexual person to be deemed an anti-gay remark. If someone takes offence at it regardless of their sexuality, they can complain that it is homophobic. I'm white, but I don't want to hear racist comments whether they are aimed at me or not. Dr Wombleface
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11:16am Wed 3 Apr 13

goldstone says...

No big deal. We really need to man up. Sticks and stones and all that.
No big deal. We really need to man up. Sticks and stones and all that. goldstone
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11:19am Wed 3 Apr 13

albionite says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter.

Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO.

What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it?

As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..
Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".[/p][/quote]Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..[/p][/quote]Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,. albionite
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11:26am Wed 3 Apr 13

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

It's also worth pointing out that NSC (another fans' group!) had a poll recently and over 70% thought there was no problem. So the headline should really read "SOME Brighton and Hove Albion fans"!

'Not in my name' (to coin a phrase).
It's also worth pointing out that NSC (another fans' group!) had a poll recently and over 70% thought there was no problem. So the headline should really read "SOME Brighton and Hove Albion fans"! 'Not in my name' (to coin a phrase). Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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12:27pm Wed 3 Apr 13

sussexfoz says...

Don't know what you girls are whining about....You are only gonna make it worse now and its not only Brighton who get called such names Twits!
Don't know what you girls are whining about....You are only gonna make it worse now and its not only Brighton who get called such names Twits! sussexfoz
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12:34pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Eddy B says...

What a ridiculous article which I can't see doing anything but fueling a problem that probably isn't a problem to the majority of supporters, gay or not.
What a ridiculous article which I can't see doing anything but fueling a problem that probably isn't a problem to the majority of supporters, gay or not. Eddy B
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12:37pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

I find the chants hugely offensive in this day and age and I'm not even gay!! Every time I go to an away match I get this abuse. I am going to report Nottingham Forest for it. They did it lots.

I think it's disgusting. There is no need to abuse Brighton fans just because Brighton and hove has a large population of Gay people, its awful.
I find the chants hugely offensive in this day and age and I'm not even gay!! Every time I go to an away match I get this abuse. I am going to report Nottingham Forest for it. They did it lots. I think it's disgusting. There is no need to abuse Brighton fans just because Brighton and hove has a large population of Gay people, its awful. Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Cave Johnson says...

The football fans care less about homophobia, and more that they are being shouted at. They don't give a **** about abuse directed towards gay people, just themselves.
The football fans care less about homophobia, and more that they are being shouted at. They don't give a **** about abuse directed towards gay people, just themselves. Cave Johnson
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12:40pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Eddy B says...

So by implication Bolton is homophobic and Cardiff isn't? How ridiculous. Listen to some of the background abuse on youtube following Lopez's free kick against Palace for a bit of perspective.
ps. I can't see anyone holding hands in the picture :)
pps. Let's get back to the football.
So by implication Bolton is homophobic and Cardiff isn't? How ridiculous. Listen to some of the background abuse on youtube following Lopez's free kick against Palace for a bit of perspective. ps. I can't see anyone holding hands in the picture :) pps. Let's get back to the football. Eddy B
  • Score: 0

12:47pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

I think these chants are offensive and vulgar.

It's important that we stick together and don't allow these so called fans penetrate our intimate circle.
I think these chants are offensive and vulgar. It's important that we stick together and don't allow these so called fans penetrate our intimate circle. Charismatic Andrew
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Brightonlad86 says...

albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..
Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.
I commented on what I have seen and heard!!

Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants.

At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard!

I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you.
[quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".[/p][/quote]Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..[/p][/quote]Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.[/p][/quote]I commented on what I have seen and heard!! Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants. At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard! I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you. Brightonlad86
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1:03pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Twistlock says...

The Supporters’ Club website says they have 350 members. It’s a shame they’ve decided to speak on our behalf and I think it’s likely to make the perceived problem worse.

Of course some chants are unsavoury, but as an Albion fan I find it embarrassing that we now decide to pontificate about chants that are stereotyping (rather than homophobic), whilst the report doesn’t mention our own fans who chant some horrible things.

To be specific, last season at Birmingham City away a woman was singled out (via chants about her clothing) and there was clear chanting of “Funny like a bucket” (artistic license used with the spelling). She had kids with her! Is that OK? Now this season the Supporters’ Club elect to ‘report’ Birmingham City, yet there is no criticism of our own fans chanting “Does she take it up the grass” when a blonde lady walks to her seat with a chap. Is that not offensive?

If you examine the nature and context of ALL the chants then we start to look like overly sensitive hypocrites.
The Supporters’ Club website says they have 350 members. It’s a shame they’ve decided to speak on our behalf and I think it’s likely to make the perceived problem worse. Of course some chants are unsavoury, but as an Albion fan I find it embarrassing that we now decide to pontificate about chants that are stereotyping (rather than homophobic), whilst the report doesn’t mention our own fans who chant some horrible things. To be specific, last season at Birmingham City away a woman was singled out (via chants about her clothing) and there was clear chanting of “Funny like a bucket” (artistic license used with the spelling). She had kids with her! Is that OK? Now this season the Supporters’ Club elect to ‘report’ Birmingham City, yet there is no criticism of our own fans chanting “Does she take it up the grass” when a blonde lady walks to her seat with a chap. Is that not offensive? If you examine the nature and context of ALL the chants then we start to look like overly sensitive hypocrites. Twistlock
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1:23pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mr punch says...

I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status!
Stupid.
I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status! Stupid. mr punch
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1:23pm Wed 3 Apr 13

thegrail says...

I'm afraid the chants are just a result of the continuous promotion of Brighton as the gay capital of the UK (esp. the annual Gay Pride event).

Remember the Weakest Link and every time someone from Brighton was a contestant she asked whether they were gay.

If we are so proud of our "gayness" in Brighton then we have to accept to be taunted about it - as others have commented - people need to "person up" and not react.

I'd also query the term "homophobic" - a "phobia" is defined as a "morbid fear" of something - I don't see the chants being a "morbid fear" - more a wind-up.

The term -phobic is being used more and more these days as a way to make almost anything appear to be politically wrong - even when there is a valid, logical, reason for be against it.

I understand there is also a term "heterophobic"!
I'm afraid the chants are just a result of the continuous promotion of Brighton as the gay capital of the UK (esp. the annual Gay Pride event). Remember the Weakest Link and every time someone from Brighton was a contestant she asked whether they were gay. If we are so proud of our "gayness" in Brighton then we have to accept to be taunted about it - as others have commented - people need to "person up" and not react. I'd also query the term "homophobic" - a "phobia" is defined as a "morbid fear" of something - I don't see the chants being a "morbid fear" - more a wind-up. The term -phobic is being used more and more these days as a way to make almost anything appear to be politically wrong - even when there is a valid, logical, reason for be against it. I understand there is also a term "heterophobic"! thegrail
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1:34pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mimseycal says...

I agree with the majority. Too much made of very little. Whilst I would not automatically subscribe to the 'sticks and stones' school of thought I do think that when it comes to general chanting/ignorant remarks on the terraces ...
I agree with the majority. Too much made of very little. Whilst I would not automatically subscribe to the 'sticks and stones' school of thought I do think that when it comes to general chanting/ignorant remarks on the terraces ... mimseycal
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1:36pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mr punch says...

Brighton is a fantastic City, mainly because it has always been very cosmopolitan. What next? Cosmopophobia???????
Brighton is a fantastic City, mainly because it has always been very cosmopolitan. What next? Cosmopophobia??????? mr punch
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1:44pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Hovite says...

It's not as though just gay people are born in Brighton, they normally move here from; Bolton, Blackburn, Hull City, Millwall, Crystal Palace.

For what it's worth Manchester has a larger gay scene.

What does really step over the line is when a player like Kazim Richards makes homophobic gestures to our fans.
It's not as though just gay people are born in Brighton, they normally move here from; Bolton, Blackburn, Hull City, Millwall, Crystal Palace. For what it's worth Manchester has a larger gay scene. What does really step over the line is when a player like Kazim Richards makes homophobic gestures to our fans. Hovite
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1:45pm Wed 3 Apr 13

NIMBY hater says...

sussexfoz wrote:
Don't know what you girls are whining about....You are only gonna make it worse now and its not only Brighton who get called such names Twits!
Very funny.
It's only a minority that are complaining about it. A minority that says they speak for US, which is way off the mark.
I just wish Costa and her motley crew would just SHUT UP.
[quote][p][bold]sussexfoz[/bold] wrote: Don't know what you girls are whining about....You are only gonna make it worse now and its not only Brighton who get called such names Twits![/p][/quote]Very funny. It's only a minority that are complaining about it. A minority that says they speak for US, which is way off the mark. I just wish Costa and her motley crew would just SHUT UP. NIMBY hater
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1:47pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea says...

mr punch wrote:
I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status!
Stupid.
Couldn't ask for a better post!
[quote][p][bold]mr punch[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status! Stupid.[/p][/quote]Couldn't ask for a better post! Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea
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2:17pm Wed 3 Apr 13

albionite says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..
Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.
I commented on what I have seen and heard!!

Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants.

At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard!

I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you.
There is no arguement with you, just commenting on an inaccuracy in your post. I do go to most away games and hear the chants week in week out. Sticks and stones basically, we dish it out about paying their benifits, shagging sheep and driving tractors, they give it back. Both sides pick on the most obvious / stereotypical characteristic. Basically, don't dish it out if you cant take it back. And its nancy boys........ (or your too ugly to be gay).
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".[/p][/quote]Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..[/p][/quote]Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.[/p][/quote]I commented on what I have seen and heard!! Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants. At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard! I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you.[/p][/quote]There is no arguement with you, just commenting on an inaccuracy in your post. I do go to most away games and hear the chants week in week out. Sticks and stones basically, we dish it out about paying their benifits, shagging sheep and driving tractors, they give it back. Both sides pick on the most obvious / stereotypical characteristic. Basically, don't dish it out if you cant take it back. And its nancy boys........ (or your too ugly to be gay). albionite
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2:23pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mr punch says...

albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
albionite wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.
Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".
Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..
Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.
I commented on what I have seen and heard!!

Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants.

At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard!

I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you.
There is no arguement with you, just commenting on an inaccuracy in your post. I do go to most away games and hear the chants week in week out. Sticks and stones basically, we dish it out about paying their benifits, shagging sheep and driving tractors, they give it back. Both sides pick on the most obvious / stereotypical characteristic. Basically, don't dish it out if you cant take it back. And its nancy boys........ (or your too ugly to be gay).
One nil....... to the Alb-ion-ite. one nil to the ................... hahahah brilliant!

Brightonlad86, pull yer pants up. u just got done! hahaha xxx
[quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]albionite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Chants of "we can see you holding hands" etc are harmless banter IMO. How many gay people would actually find this offensive? I know a few gay guys who go to the amex and they love the banter. Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0, to the batty boys". Again, hardly offensive IMO. What happened to the old saying "sticks and stones may break my bones..." Unless somebody is left intimidated, felt threatened or physically attacked due to race, sexuality etc than its not really that harmful is it? As far as I am concerned, suggesting somebody is gay is no worse than accusing somebody of being over weight.. Both could be considered bullying but both ignorable... And if ignored the "bully" will get bored.[/p][/quote]Brightonlad86 wrote: Albion supporters have often replied with the chant "1-0 to the batty boys" - eh, no they haven't, its "1-0 to the nancy boys".[/p][/quote]Is the 'correction' of 1 word really worth commenting on?? I've heard both versions sung over the years.. Either way, it does not change the context of the song..[/p][/quote]Well, that one word inplies you are in the know and well placed to comment. However, if you attended away games where this is sung (and the vast majority of the 'abuse' takes place) you would know its nancy not batty,.[/p][/quote]I commented on what I have seen and heard!! Admittedly, I don't go to many games, but on the occasions I do go I have heard BOTH chants. At no point have I claimed to be 'in the know' when it comes to the Albion. I also couldnt care less about many other clubs. It does not mean I cannot express an opinion about something I have heard! I don't really understand your 'argument' has to do with this topic? If you agree/disagree with my views on the subject in question (homophobic chants) than I'm all for having a debate with you.[/p][/quote]There is no arguement with you, just commenting on an inaccuracy in your post. I do go to most away games and hear the chants week in week out. Sticks and stones basically, we dish it out about paying their benifits, shagging sheep and driving tractors, they give it back. Both sides pick on the most obvious / stereotypical characteristic. Basically, don't dish it out if you cant take it back. And its nancy boys........ (or your too ugly to be gay).[/p][/quote]One nil....... to the Alb-ion-ite. one nil to the ................... hahahah brilliant! Brightonlad86, pull yer pants up. u just got done! hahaha xxx mr punch
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2:27pm Wed 3 Apr 13

krobinson says...

Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea wrote:
mr punch wrote:
I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status!
Stupid.
Couldn't ask for a better post!
1984....

Seems the "Supporters Club" is not acting in the best interests of "Supporters" here....

Similar to ejecting our own supporters for standing in the North stand...

Pathetic with a capital P and complete waste of time and money. Oh and news print because it is not really even a story.
[quote][p][bold]Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr punch[/bold] wrote: I have been watching Albion since 1977 and this is nothing new. It's just football banter imho and why is everyone making such a big fuss about it? If you don't like it, stay at home, it's been this way always and, we have the ability to react back. What are all the Welsh clubs gonna say when everyone suggests that they are in love with their sheep? What are Ipswich fans gonna do when everyone suggests they're country bumpkins? What are the Norwich fans gonna do when ppl suggest they are in love with their sisters? What are Man Utd fans gonna do when everyone suggests that they're cockneys? The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, it's football, it's always been the samw, that's the trouble with society today, everyone is getting too frightened to have a laugh or have fun. Football on the terraces is and always has been about banter, if you don't like it, go watch Rugby and comment on their funny shaped balls, grabbing in the scrum and general upper class status! Stupid.[/p][/quote]Couldn't ask for a better post![/p][/quote]1984.... Seems the "Supporters Club" is not acting in the best interests of "Supporters" here.... Similar to ejecting our own supporters for standing in the North stand... Pathetic with a capital P and complete waste of time and money. Oh and news print because it is not really even a story. krobinson
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2:32pm Wed 3 Apr 13

scoobysnax says...

Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte
rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play.
Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play. scoobysnax
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2:37pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mr punch says...

scoobysnax wrote:
Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte

rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play.
Nice try Scooby :)

sport that England are good at? what; like the boat race?
[quote][p][bold]scoobysnax[/bold] wrote: Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play.[/p][/quote]Nice try Scooby :) sport that England are good at? what; like the boat race? mr punch
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2:39pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Automaton says...

scoobysnax wrote:
Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte

rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play.
If we did that we wouldn't be watching any sport!
[quote][p][bold]scoobysnax[/bold] wrote: Everybody knows Football is a racist homophobic game and should be totally banned. Most footballers/supporte rs are just total brainless racist/homophobic nazi supporters. There should be no place in society for such a total brainless useless game that you have to wait hours for anything to happen, except for homophobic and racist chanting that's what they all support anyway, ban football now, England is so useless at it anyway. Now Rugby that's a real sport, you don't get any of that sort of behavior at a Rugby match. We should be supporting more sports that the English are actually good at, and sports that they can actually play.[/p][/quote]If we did that we wouldn't be watching any sport! Automaton
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2:44pm Wed 3 Apr 13

BN1DYE says...

This is embarrassing for me as a BH fan.

If you read BHASC report, its fairly tame (although they describe it as "not pretty reading".

Most of it talks about them, before going to list "some instances of chanting at most games" or the "holding hands" chant.

Is Panto stuff: "does your boyfriend know your here"?...."you’re to ugly to be gay"...”he’s behind you”

There are one, maybe two, serious instances (either outside the ground or dealt with), Police can deal with them!

If you look at the board of BHSC, they are all white, (seem to be) over 50...and bearded. Not really a fair reflection of the 28k I see at the ground.

They also seem to like sharing their personal life..."I had "privileged" upbringing going to private boarding school followed by 2 years living in Rome. Later discovered this was a front to hide the fact that the woman who had "brought me up" was actually my step-mother ! Found real Mum when I was 36 ." quotes one...Sad but odd...

Too much time on their hands?
This is embarrassing for me as a BH fan. If you read BHASC report, its fairly tame (although they describe it as "not pretty reading". Most of it talks about them, before going to list "some instances of chanting at most games" or the "holding hands" chant. Is Panto stuff: "does your boyfriend know your here"?...."you’re to ugly to be gay"...”he’s behind you” There are one, maybe two, serious instances (either outside the ground or dealt with), Police can deal with them! If you look at the board of BHSC, they are all white, (seem to be) over 50...and bearded. Not really a fair reflection of the 28k I see at the ground. They also seem to like sharing their personal life..."I had "privileged" upbringing going to private boarding school followed by 2 years living in Rome. Later discovered this was a front to hide the fact that the woman who had "brought me up" was actually my step-mother ! Found real Mum when I was 36 ." quotes one...Sad but odd... Too much time on their hands? BN1DYE
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2:50pm Wed 3 Apr 13

julesgemini says...

I'm gay and I don't find it offensive. If anything amusing. It's just silly and I doubt they are making a personal attack. I can see however how some people might be offended also, comments can lead onto homophobic or racial attacks which I find intolerable in this day and age. Just ignore it and think "whatever!" they are probably just jealous of Brightonians living in an amazing open free place!
I'm gay and I don't find it offensive. If anything amusing. It's just silly and I doubt they are making a personal attack. I can see however how some people might be offended also, comments can lead onto homophobic or racial attacks which I find intolerable in this day and age. Just ignore it and think "whatever!" they are probably just jealous of Brightonians living in an amazing open free place! julesgemini
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2:55pm Wed 3 Apr 13

just-a-person says...

Ermmm the Derby fans were chanting too but as they refer to themselves as the sheep shag army why worry !!!. It is football terrace banter get over it.
Ermmm the Derby fans were chanting too but as they refer to themselves as the sheep shag army why worry !!!. It is football terrace banter get over it. just-a-person
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2:57pm Wed 3 Apr 13

bikerjimbo says...

When I first picked up on this 'story' I thought WTF. At Bolton I heard no real chanting coming from their fans. We were trying to outdo them so how can these 'sensitive' fans hear it, unless they are trying to make a point. Not being gay i could easily take offence because they are directing their banter at me. If you are gay then suck it up and get on with watching the game. look at the grief we gave Palace with our banter. What about last night when the visitors stated, 'We hate palace more than you' now that is offensive to any true BHA fan. Still the complainers can now expect to hear really offensive comments due to this being highlighted. As a BHA supporter over several decades it annoys me that this small group are detracting from our teams efforts on the pitch just for some crusade. Shame about the result last night but a truly enjoyable game, bring on Leicester we need the points. UTA
When I first picked up on this 'story' I thought WTF. At Bolton I heard no real chanting coming from their fans. We were trying to outdo them so how can these 'sensitive' fans hear it, unless they are trying to make a point. Not being gay i could easily take offence because they are directing their banter at me. If you are gay then suck it up and get on with watching the game. look at the grief we gave Palace with our banter. What about last night when the visitors stated, 'We hate palace more than you' now that is offensive to any true BHA fan. Still the complainers can now expect to hear really offensive comments due to this being highlighted. As a BHA supporter over several decades it annoys me that this small group are detracting from our teams efforts on the pitch just for some crusade. Shame about the result last night but a truly enjoyable game, bring on Leicester we need the points. UTA bikerjimbo
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3:10pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Old Brighton Mod says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
How are the chants homophobic? It's often said that it's the 'same as racist chants in the 1970s' and in fact it isn't. The racist chants were aimed specifically at black players because of the colour of their skins, none of the so-called 'homophobic' chants are aimed at openly-gay players, rather they are usually chants from (largely) male, heterosexual fans to other (largely) male heterosexual fans. They are admittedly boorish, often crude and always unoriginal, but I'm not convinced they're really 'homophobic'.
So much fuss about nothing , how sterile should we get ? Banter is part of football ,if it offends anyone then don't go to the match . What about the verbal abuse aimed at losers , i have to admit joining in with that one recently chanting "three nil to the Albion"at a recent game against a certain south London team . I quite like some of the female fans chanting back "yes he does"to the fans chanting "does your boyfriend know you're here"or is that heterosexual abuse?Surely you can only be offended by people whose opinion you respect . Does anyone respect the opinion of a Blackburn Rovers fan ???!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: How are the chants homophobic? It's often said that it's the 'same as racist chants in the 1970s' and in fact it isn't. The racist chants were aimed specifically at black players because of the colour of their skins, none of the so-called 'homophobic' chants are aimed at openly-gay players, rather they are usually chants from (largely) male, heterosexual fans to other (largely) male heterosexual fans. They are admittedly boorish, often crude and always unoriginal, but I'm not convinced they're really 'homophobic'.[/p][/quote]So much fuss about nothing , how sterile should we get ? Banter is part of football ,if it offends anyone then don't go to the match . What about the verbal abuse aimed at losers , i have to admit joining in with that one recently chanting "three nil to the Albion"at a recent game against a certain south London team . I quite like some of the female fans chanting back "yes he does"to the fans chanting "does your boyfriend know you're here"or is that heterosexual abuse?Surely you can only be offended by people whose opinion you respect . Does anyone respect the opinion of a Blackburn Rovers fan ???!!! Old Brighton Mod
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4:16pm Wed 3 Apr 13

JUPILER says...

Ok I admit it I shouted at the seagullsplayer the Nottingham forest game you P**FTER when Forest got their second goal,sorry Casper.
For heavens sake the Mail is bad enough.
Ok I admit it I shouted at the seagullsplayer the Nottingham forest game you P**FTER when Forest got their second goal,sorry Casper. For heavens sake the Mail is bad enough. JUPILER
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4:57pm Wed 3 Apr 13

hubby says...

I wonder if the percentage of Gay Brighton fans is higher than any other club?
I doubt it.
Being called Gay would bother me as much as being called Black,bald or ginger.I am neither.
If i was black and was called black,bald and I was bald or ginger and was called ginger it wouldn't bother me if I was.
Same goes for being gay.
I wonder if the percentage of Gay Brighton fans is higher than any other club? I doubt it. Being called Gay would bother me as much as being called Black,bald or ginger.I am neither. If i was black and was called black,bald and I was bald or ginger and was called ginger it wouldn't bother me if I was. Same goes for being gay. hubby
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7:21pm Wed 3 Apr 13

NIMBY hater says...

So the BHASC reckon they speak for us all.
The poll says different.
So the BHASC reckon they speak for us all. The poll says different. NIMBY hater
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7:26pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Seaside Horn says...

Two words spring to mind

Hypo and crites

As a Watford supporter were we not subjected (as we are every year) to Brighton supporters (and other teams) chanting

"Elton takes it up the a***" and other variations on that chant

I tell you what I am going to throw my toys out the pram and report you lot
Two words spring to mind Hypo and crites As a Watford supporter were we not subjected (as we are every year) to Brighton supporters (and other teams) chanting "Elton takes it up the a***" and other variations on that chant I tell you what I am going to throw my toys out the pram and report you lot Seaside Horn
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7:31pm Wed 3 Apr 13

HG Wellsy says...

What gives Liz Costa the right to promote this gripe, which IMHO is harmless banter, and act as if she is representing every Albion fan.
The BH&HSC represent less than 2% of the 25000 home fans that were at the Amex last night.
The headline insinuates all 25000 loyal fans are upset.
I would suggest is is the minority that are upset.
Grow up or go and watch the bowls at Preston Park
What gives Liz Costa the right to promote this gripe, which IMHO is harmless banter, and act as if she is representing every Albion fan. The BH&HSC represent less than 2% of the 25000 home fans that were at the Amex last night. The headline insinuates all 25000 loyal fans are upset. I would suggest is is the minority that are upset. Grow up or go and watch the bowls at Preston Park HG Wellsy
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7:41pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Hove at last says...

The supporters club do not speak for me, Liz Costa sets herself up as the self proclaimed official spokesperson for the fans.
She isn't....the supporters club are a tiny minority....and a sad one at that.

We are a laughing stock in the football world with this over the top crusade....What fans haven't given opposing fans grief, based on where they live in the country

It's banter in an ever increasing PC world
The supporters club do not speak for me, Liz Costa sets herself up as the self proclaimed official spokesperson for the fans. She isn't....the supporters club are a tiny minority....and a sad one at that. We are a laughing stock in the football world with this over the top crusade....What fans haven't given opposing fans grief, based on where they live in the country It's banter in an ever increasing PC world Hove at last
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8:19pm Wed 3 Apr 13

bikerjimbo says...

Just a quick point. Do you think the Argus will report the views of the majority of fans that are commenting in a negative way about this news article?
Just a quick point. Do you think the Argus will report the views of the majority of fans that are commenting in a negative way about this news article? bikerjimbo
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8:29pm Wed 3 Apr 13

just-a-person says...

What about the w***** in the black who is at every game ????
What about the w***** in the black who is at every game ???? just-a-person
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9:09pm Wed 3 Apr 13

mr punch says...

just-a-person wrote:
What about the w***** in the black who is at every game ????
Fantastic observation! I hope the argus and the FA read the majority of these comments so they know that it's all part of the game.
[quote][p][bold]just-a-person[/bold] wrote: What about the w***** in the black who is at every game ????[/p][/quote]Fantastic observation! I hope the argus and the FA read the majority of these comments so they know that it's all part of the game. mr punch
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10:04pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Baldseagull says...

Most of the away fans only come down for the Gay Bars anyway.
Mostly it's banter, very few are offended and really, they need to get -a thicker skin.
I do get bored of the same old chants though, some original thinking from the terrace poets please.
Most of the away fans only come down for the Gay Bars anyway. Mostly it's banter, very few are offended and really, they need to get -a thicker skin. I do get bored of the same old chants though, some original thinking from the terrace poets please. Baldseagull
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10:38pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Brighton Bill says...

goldstone wrote:
No big deal. We really need to man up. Sticks and stones and all that.
On the Tram home after the Sheff Wed match a 14 year old Wed lad was a total embarrassment (I asked his age) to his two mates and other Wed fans, he just would not give it a rest, he just kept on and on about Brighton fans Sh*gging each other up the A*se, if he had been a bit older i would have lumped him, he honestly thought it was normal to talk like this and didn't hesitate to do it in front of everybody,now if he is like this at 14 what is he going to be like when he grows up.This wasn't a 14 year old chanting, this was a 14 year old actually believing what he was saying. Yorkshire Seagull.
[quote][p][bold]goldstone[/bold] wrote: No big deal. We really need to man up. Sticks and stones and all that.[/p][/quote]On the Tram home after the Sheff Wed match a 14 year old Wed lad was a total embarrassment (I asked his age) to his two mates and other Wed fans, he just would not give it a rest, he just kept on and on about Brighton fans Sh*gging each other up the A*se, if he had been a bit older i would have lumped him, he honestly thought it was normal to talk like this and didn't hesitate to do it in front of everybody,now if he is like this at 14 what is he going to be like when he grows up.This wasn't a 14 year old chanting, this was a 14 year old actually believing what he was saying. Yorkshire Seagull. Brighton Bill
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10:48pm Wed 3 Apr 13

Dredil06 says...

Anyone who goes to watch football matches is a hooligan anyway, so I do not understand why one would expect thugs to behave like civilised people.
Anyone who goes to watch football matches is a hooligan anyway, so I do not understand why one would expect thugs to behave like civilised people. Dredil06
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1:05am Thu 4 Apr 13

Dave in Hastings says...

Very disappointed to read the majority of comments on this thread. You are the type of people that would have defended racist terminology in the 1960's. "Those n****rs shouldn't be so touchy - it's only a bit of fun"! I can hear you all saying it now. Disgraceful.
This isn't 'banter', it's pathetic, moronic, crass, ignorant garbage of the type that gives football fans a bad name.
Very disappointed to read the majority of comments on this thread. You are the type of people that would have defended racist terminology in the 1960's. "Those n****rs shouldn't be so touchy - it's only a bit of fun"! I can hear you all saying it now. Disgraceful. This isn't 'banter', it's pathetic, moronic, crass, ignorant garbage of the type that gives football fans a bad name. Dave in Hastings
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1:07am Thu 4 Apr 13

Reality50 says...

Bald,overweight or ginger players or fans get abused by chants so whats the problem? Just the LGBT lot wanting cheap publicity. I also suspect it is a dig specifically at Lancashire clubs and fans with Blackburn Bolton and Burnley mentioned.I support one of those clubs.
Bald,overweight or ginger players or fans get abused by chants so whats the problem? Just the LGBT lot wanting cheap publicity. I also suspect it is a dig specifically at Lancashire clubs and fans with Blackburn Bolton and Burnley mentioned.I support one of those clubs. Reality50
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1:15am Thu 4 Apr 13

Reality50 says...

This is another example of the far Left of politics interfering with our national game. We had the Suarez,Ferdinand,Joh
n Terry and recently Di Canio and now this.As a supporter of the game in the great times of the 70s and 80s it saddens me that these leftists and the prawn sandwich brigade have hijacked our sport for their own twisted PC agenda.
This is another example of the far Left of politics interfering with our national game. We had the Suarez,Ferdinand,Joh n Terry and recently Di Canio and now this.As a supporter of the game in the great times of the 70s and 80s it saddens me that these leftists and the prawn sandwich brigade have hijacked our sport for their own twisted PC agenda. Reality50
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3:28am Thu 4 Apr 13

down_under says...

Football fans. Just an unfortunate underclass the rest of us have to live alongside.
Football fans. Just an unfortunate underclass the rest of us have to live alongside. down_under
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8:27am Thu 4 Apr 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

down_under wrote:
Football fans. Just an unfortunate underclass the rest of us have to live alongside.
Thanks. That's very constructive.
[quote][p][bold]down_under[/bold] wrote: Football fans. Just an unfortunate underclass the rest of us have to live alongside.[/p][/quote]Thanks. That's very constructive. Charismatic Andrew
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8:33am Thu 4 Apr 13

ringtone says...

I remember going to Watford in the eighties/nineties and hearing our fans taunting the home fans about their famous chairman`s (at the time) sexuality. Does anyone else remember this or have i lost my mind?
I remember going to Watford in the eighties/nineties and hearing our fans taunting the home fans about their famous chairman`s (at the time) sexuality. Does anyone else remember this or have i lost my mind? ringtone
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1:29pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Blue Meanie says...

Dave in Hastings wrote:
Very disappointed to read the majority of comments on this thread. You are the type of people that would have defended racist terminology in the 1960's. "Those n****rs shouldn't be so touchy - it's only a bit of fun"! I can hear you all saying it now. Disgraceful. This isn't 'banter', it's pathetic, moronic, crass, ignorant garbage of the type that gives football fans a bad name.
How is that the same ?The chants are not aimed at gay people , the chants are made to a stadium made up of a majority of hetrosexuals based on the perceived stereotype of the town the football club represents . They are not chanting at an openly gay player or gay supporter.It is absolutly banter and is based on culture cultivated on terraces up and down this country for the last 100 years . It's all a bit Kenneth Williams and certainly not Alf Garnett . You need to loosen up a bit .
[quote][p][bold]Dave in Hastings[/bold] wrote: Very disappointed to read the majority of comments on this thread. You are the type of people that would have defended racist terminology in the 1960's. "Those n****rs shouldn't be so touchy - it's only a bit of fun"! I can hear you all saying it now. Disgraceful. This isn't 'banter', it's pathetic, moronic, crass, ignorant garbage of the type that gives football fans a bad name.[/p][/quote]How is that the same ?The chants are not aimed at gay people , the chants are made to a stadium made up of a majority of hetrosexuals based on the perceived stereotype of the town the football club represents . They are not chanting at an openly gay player or gay supporter.It is absolutly banter and is based on culture cultivated on terraces up and down this country for the last 100 years . It's all a bit Kenneth Williams and certainly not Alf Garnett . You need to loosen up a bit . Blue Meanie
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5:48pm Thu 4 Apr 13

Jeff Leppard says...

An example of banter is during that memorable Football League Trophy match a few seasons back against Shrewsbury Town (what do you mean you don't remember it?!) Brighton fans were chanting "Sheep Sh@ggers" to the Shrewsbury fans, to which they replied "I'd rather sh@g a sheep than a man".

Anyone who doesn't find that funny shouldn't really be going to football matches.
An example of banter is during that memorable Football League Trophy match a few seasons back against Shrewsbury Town (what do you mean you don't remember it?!) Brighton fans were chanting "Sheep Sh@ggers" to the Shrewsbury fans, to which they replied "I'd rather sh@g a sheep than a man". Anyone who doesn't find that funny shouldn't really be going to football matches. Jeff Leppard
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7:54pm Thu 4 Apr 13

south1919 says...

BHASC have you ever wondered that perhaps this football lark isn't really your cup of tea or if you insist perhaps Arsenal should be your team, you can hear a pin drop in that place .
BHASC have you ever wondered that perhaps this football lark isn't really your cup of tea or if you insist perhaps Arsenal should be your team, you can hear a pin drop in that place . south1919
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8:27am Fri 5 Apr 13

psychoderek56 says...

Isn't a straight person being offended by being called gay anti-gay in itself?
Isn't a straight person being offended by being called gay anti-gay in itself? psychoderek56
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9:41am Fri 5 Apr 13

psychoderek56 says...

Best chant ever. Cardiff fans at the Withdean "I'd rather sh** a sheep than a bloke"
Best chant ever. Cardiff fans at the Withdean "I'd rather sh** a sheep than a bloke" psychoderek56
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9:49am Sat 6 Apr 13

scuba1 says...

Dredil06 wrote:
Anyone who goes to watch football matches is a hooligan anyway, so I do not understand why one would expect thugs to behave like civilised people.
Don't be ridiculous
[quote][p][bold]Dredil06[/bold] wrote: Anyone who goes to watch football matches is a hooligan anyway, so I do not understand why one would expect thugs to behave like civilised people.[/p][/quote]Don't be ridiculous scuba1
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12:48am Mon 8 Apr 13

Cheese Rolls says...

I'm Brian and so is my wife...or should that be husband?
I'm Brian and so is my wife...or should that be husband? Cheese Rolls
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9:57am Thu 2 May 13

aat99 says...

whinging whilst singing chants about Leeds fans and Jimmy Saville .... hypocrites ...
whinging whilst singing chants about Leeds fans and Jimmy Saville .... hypocrites ... aat99
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