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Sussex Police considers making attacks on goths a hate crime

The Argus: Brighton music journalist Simon Price spoke out against attacks on goths Brighton music journalist Simon Price spoke out against attacks on goths

Attacks on goths and punks could be considered hate crimes.

Sussex Police could add people with “alternative lifestyles” to their lists of vulnerable groups.

The force’s current policy is to record attacks on members of the Les- bian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) and Black and Minority Ethnic (BME) communities and those with disabilities as hate crimes, but at a meeting of the county’s Hate Crime Forum it was decided to add groups such as goths, punks and emos to the list.

Sussex Police said in a statement: “There are many other groups in our society who have been targeted for hostility and crime.

"It is vital that the concentration on the monitored areas is not used to deny the existence of other hate crimes.

Hostility or prejudice

"We are therefore currently developing plans for a sixth strand of ‘alternative lifestyle’ hate crime for Sussex, for any other incident where the perpetrator’s hostility or prejudice against a person’s identifiable alternative lifestyle is believed to be a factor in determining who is victimised.”

Following the death in 2007 of 20- year-old Sophie Lancaster, who was attacked for being a goth, The Sophie Lancaster Foundation was set up to campaign against such crime.

Music journalist Simon Price, of Brighton, who used to be a goth, spoke out against the attacks on goths.

He said Brighton was “quite civilised” but had been abused for the way he dressed. A few months ago he was in one of Brighton’s biggest pub venues for goths.

He added: “The pub was attacked by a bunch of lager louts. “I am sure this was simply due to the pub being a goth pub.”

The change in definition will not make any difference to the sentencing powers of courts dealing with offences and the Ministry of Justice said it would not have any impact.

Sussex police and crime commissioner Katy Bourne said: “I welcome the debate around the definition of hate crime that includes the consideration of other groups in vulnerable situations, e.g. the elderly.

"I support anything that helps officers identify hate crimes more accurately and take appropriate action.

“Public confidence is one of the key priorities within my police and crime plan Safer in Sussex.

“In order to demonstrate public confidence I have set a specific target within the plan to increase the reporting of hate crimes and I will be working closely with Sussex police and our partners to implement strategies that encourage this.”

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5:34pm Sun 7 Apr 13

holly1977 says...

Its an interesting concept 'sub groups', I totally support extra effort into hate crime, but where is the line drawn to identify a 'sub group' - for example attacks on certain groups of people like - bus drivers, or paramedics or police officers, targetted due to belonging to an identifiable group?! what makes one hate crime more important than the other?
Its an interesting concept 'sub groups', I totally support extra effort into hate crime, but where is the line drawn to identify a 'sub group' - for example attacks on certain groups of people like - bus drivers, or paramedics or police officers, targetted due to belonging to an identifiable group?! what makes one hate crime more important than the other? holly1977
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6:40pm Sun 7 Apr 13

ghost bus driver says...

It's all hate at he end of the day (although i suspect drink and drugs may be involved somewhere along the line) Goths, Metalheads and Emos don't generally cause any trouble and rarely cause anyone any harm. Chavs, on the other hand...
It's all hate at he end of the day (although i suspect drink and drugs may be involved somewhere along the line) Goths, Metalheads and Emos don't generally cause any trouble and rarely cause anyone any harm. Chavs, on the other hand... ghost bus driver
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8:13pm Sun 7 Apr 13

thommy says...

While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end.
While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end. thommy
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8:44pm Sun 7 Apr 13

Council Pounder says...

thommy wrote:
While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end.
The Public Order Act 1986 created the offense of "using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour", actually 11 years before Labour came to power so nothing to do with Blair. It was actually created by your God Margaret Thatcher to suppress public protest in the aftermath of the Miner's strike. You were saying?
[quote][p][bold]thommy[/bold] wrote: While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end.[/p][/quote]The Public Order Act 1986 created the offense of "using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour", actually 11 years before Labour came to power so nothing to do with Blair. It was actually created by your God Margaret Thatcher to suppress public protest in the aftermath of the Miner's strike. You were saying? Council Pounder
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9:03pm Sun 7 Apr 13

Andy R says...

thommy wrote:
While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end.
What's "free speech" got to do with it?

I'll say no more in case numpties are an identifiable sub-group......
[quote][p][bold]thommy[/bold] wrote: While I do not think it acceptable for any human being to mock, insult and deride another human being, in life sometimes nasty things get said. That is life. My real worry is what sort of people are the police employing nowadays. Clearly, they have too much time on their hands and their ultimate agenda must be to stifle any sort of free speech. The idiot Blair is ultimately responsible for creating this poisonous agenda and one wonders where it will end.[/p][/quote]What's "free speech" got to do with it? I'll say no more in case numpties are an identifiable sub-group...... Andy R
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8:42am Mon 8 Apr 13

Cave Johnson says...

So attacks on gay people or ethnic minorities etc is automatically a hate crime? That is what the third paragraph states. Or how about just badly written by the Argus as usual?

We should all be equal in the eyes of the law, but if you are arrested for a hate crime you are supposed to get a tougher sentence. So if a bus driver gets thumped the attacker may get a year, but if a gay person gets attacked the attacker may get two years. So a two tiered system. This also implies you can tell a persons sexuality just by looking at them, which is highly patronising. This is absolute nonsense. If Brighton has 'gay support officers' then if they do broaden the remit for hate crimes they will have to get specific officers for goths, cybergoths, emo, metal, death metal, black metal, punk, crusty etc etc. Complete nonsense. This is just pandering for publicity and headlines.
So attacks on gay people or ethnic minorities etc is automatically a hate crime? That is what the third paragraph states. Or how about just badly written by the Argus as usual? We should all be equal in the eyes of the law, but if you are arrested for a hate crime you are supposed to get a tougher sentence. So if a bus driver gets thumped the attacker may get a year, but if a gay person gets attacked the attacker may get two years. So a two tiered system. This also implies you can tell a persons sexuality just by looking at them, which is highly patronising. This is absolute nonsense. If Brighton has 'gay support officers' then if they do broaden the remit for hate crimes they will have to get specific officers for goths, cybergoths, emo, metal, death metal, black metal, punk, crusty etc etc. Complete nonsense. This is just pandering for publicity and headlines. Cave Johnson
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9:03am Mon 8 Apr 13

Cave Johnson says...

Or how about increasing the sentences on people found guilty of assaulting ANYONE?
Or how about increasing the sentences on people found guilty of assaulting ANYONE? Cave Johnson
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9:39am Mon 8 Apr 13

Dr.Draconian says...

Other sub groups would obviously include mods,rockers,skinhea
ds etc.
Other sub groups would obviously include mods,rockers,skinhea ds etc. Dr.Draconian
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