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Electronic cigarettes banned by Brighton school over teen smoking fear

The Argus: Electronic cigarettes banned by Brighton school over teen smoking fear Electronic cigarettes banned by Brighton school over teen smoking fear

Schools have banned the use of electronic cigarettes over fears they are being used by pupils to start smoking.

In an ironic new trend, children are turning to smokeless cigarettes, which are designed to help people give up the habit, before moving onto traditional ones.

Blatchington Mill School in Hove has written to parents warning them of the dangers after it decided to ban the personal vaporisers.

The fear is these cigarettes, which vaporise liquid nicotine, act as a stepping stone to the real thing and could be creating a new generation of smokers.

There are no age restrictions on buying them and they come in a variety of flavours.

They are proving popular at schools as they produce no smell and so it is difficult for the pupils to be caught in the act, unlike lighting up.

There are also versions without tobacco sold over the counter but guides on how to modify them to contain tobacco are easily available online.

One 14-year-old pupil in Year 9 at Blatchington Mill said: "Everyone thinks it's rebellious to smoke but it's the soft version of that, the one without any bad side effects.

“I know some people who have done it in class but haven't been caught because you can just waft away the vapour so no one knows.”

Other schools such as Hove Park School and Patcham High School said they were aware of the issue and had also banned them.

Both said they had not caught children in the act but that this was difficult to do as the electronic cigarettes were odourless, smokeless and battery powered.

Brighton and Hove City Council backed the ban by the schools but said it was awaiting national public health guidance on e-cigarettes.

Labour education spokeswoman Anne Pissaridou said the trend was clearly a “worry” and that the dangers needed to be highlighted.

The letter from Blatchington Mill said: “Electronic cigarettes, also known as E-Cigs, personal vaporisers or PVs, have been growing in popularity, especially amongst adolescents.

“Originally marketed as a way of quitting smoking, they are being increasingly targeted at a young market and scientific research has questioned their utility in helping to quit.

“Research has also found toxic chemicals in some E-cigs as well as the fact that they may be acting as a gateway into smoking, rather than a way of stopping.”

The British Medical Association highlighted the dangers of the “appearance, nomenclature, and the way they are used, as well as features such as flavouring and styling that are potentially highly attractive to children”.

It has called for tougher regulations on selling them so they do not reinforce cigarette brands as well as backing bans on the use of them.

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6:48pm Mon 6 May 13

ScratchyNutz says...

>> guides on how to modify them to contain tobacco are easily available online.

Really? I follow vaping news closely, and have never seen a guide like this. Indeed, if I put tobacco into my PV I'd most definately destroy the atomiser. **** and Bull springs to mind.

>> they are being increasingly targeted at a young market

Could we have some facts, please? Who says they're targetted at young people? Visit any UK based site that sells ecigs and juices and you'll find that young people are actively discouraged from purchasing. Ecigs are targetted at established smokers who want to move away from burning tobacco to get their nic fix. Flavours are exceptionally helpful in that regard, but that has nothing to do with kids.

>> scientific research has questioned their utility in helping to quit.

Who on earth are you talking to? Of the 5 people I've introduced ecigs to 4 have used them to quit smoking, and there are many thousands of testimonials online that demonstrate that ecigs are an excellent method of switching away from smoking tobacco cigarettes. Don't believe me? Here's another study that refutes your claims :

http://tobaccoanalys
is.blogspot.co.uk/20
13/04/new-study-docu
ments-effectiveness-
of.html?m=1

This suggests that ecigs are successful in helping up to 75% of smokers quit smoking analogue cigarettes, figures that agree with my own anecdotal evidence, and are far superior with the traditional Nicotine Replacement Therapies like patches and gum, which are generally agreed to be no more than 9% effective at the 6 month point.

>> Research has also found toxic chemicals in some E-cigs

This is what's in ecigarettes : http://www.vapersclu
b.com/pg.php

The FDA study that found some unwanted chemicals in ecig juice has been repeatedly discredited since it was published in 2009, and yet some people still trot it out.

Do some proper research, please. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt aren't helpful to anybody.
>> guides on how to modify them to contain tobacco are easily available online. Really? I follow vaping news closely, and have never seen a guide like this. Indeed, if I put tobacco into my PV I'd most definately destroy the atomiser. **** and Bull springs to mind. >> they are being increasingly targeted at a young market Could we have some facts, please? Who says they're targetted at young people? Visit any UK based site that sells ecigs and juices and you'll find that young people are actively discouraged from purchasing. Ecigs are targetted at established smokers who want to move away from burning tobacco to get their nic fix. Flavours are exceptionally helpful in that regard, but that has nothing to do with kids. >> scientific research has questioned their utility in helping to quit. Who on earth are you talking to? Of the 5 people I've introduced ecigs to 4 have used them to quit smoking, and there are many thousands of testimonials online that demonstrate that ecigs are an excellent method of switching away from smoking tobacco cigarettes. Don't believe me? Here's another study that refutes your claims : http://tobaccoanalys is.blogspot.co.uk/20 13/04/new-study-docu ments-effectiveness- of.html?m=1 This suggests that ecigs are successful in helping up to 75% of smokers quit smoking analogue cigarettes, figures that agree with my own anecdotal evidence, and are far superior with the traditional Nicotine Replacement Therapies like patches and gum, which are generally agreed to be no more than 9% effective at the 6 month point. >> Research has also found toxic chemicals in some E-cigs This is what's in ecigarettes : http://www.vapersclu b.com/pg.php The FDA study that found some unwanted chemicals in ecig juice has been repeatedly discredited since it was published in 2009, and yet some people still trot it out. Do some proper research, please. Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt aren't helpful to anybody. ScratchyNutz
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6:57pm Mon 6 May 13

Ryanhayes says...

They are e-Shisha not e-cigs and they contain no nicotine, no tar, no tabacco and no carbon monoxide. All it is, is flavoured water vapour!
They are e-Shisha not e-cigs and they contain no nicotine, no tar, no tabacco and no carbon monoxide. All it is, is flavoured water vapour! Ryanhayes
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7:48pm Mon 6 May 13

remword says...

I agree, people like the author of this article need to do some research and get their facts correct. There is no tobacco in e-cigarettes or e-liquid. Some are tobacco flavored. You can get them with or without nicotine. They are not marketed towards children. Is cotton candy vodka marketed towards children? Yes, we need to make sure minors cannot purchase these products but not everything is a gateway drug and when they become adults they can make their own decisions.

Robert Monroe
Halo Cigs
I agree, people like the author of this article need to do some research and get their facts correct. There is no tobacco in e-cigarettes or e-liquid. Some are tobacco flavored. You can get them with or without nicotine. They are not marketed towards children. Is cotton candy vodka marketed towards children? Yes, we need to make sure minors cannot purchase these products but not everything is a gateway drug and when they become adults they can make their own decisions. Robert Monroe Halo Cigs remword
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7:50pm Mon 6 May 13

lorrie1 says...

Christ- Need a fag after reading that!
Christ- Need a fag after reading that! lorrie1
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7:56pm Mon 6 May 13

Minion says...

"There are also versions without tobacco sold over the counter but guides on how to modify them to contain tobacco are easily available online. "

None of them contain tobacco, that's the point of an e-cig. Why would anyone try to put tobacco in one?

you can buy cartridges that contain nicotine and cartridges that don't. They come in a variety of different strengths and flavours.

Fair enough that the school wants to ban them though. Nicotine is addictive. Plus, if they're banned it's more incentive for the rebels to smoke those instead of real fags. (it's not cool if it's not banned)
"There are also versions without tobacco sold over the counter but guides on how to modify them to contain tobacco are easily available online. " None of them contain tobacco, that's the point of an e-cig. Why would anyone try to put tobacco in one? you can buy cartridges that contain nicotine and cartridges that don't. They come in a variety of different strengths and flavours. Fair enough that the school wants to ban them though. Nicotine is addictive. Plus, if they're banned it's more incentive for the rebels to smoke those instead of real fags. (it's not cool if it's not banned) Minion
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9:05pm Mon 6 May 13

sussexram40 says...

I've seen the liquids advertised in strawberry flavour and other fruity flavours - and they still contain nicotine. If that's not targetting kids I don't know what is.
I've seen the liquids advertised in strawberry flavour and other fruity flavours - and they still contain nicotine. If that's not targetting kids I don't know what is. sussexram40
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9:28pm Mon 6 May 13

george smith says...

Kids smoke, they might be trying to give up
Kids smoke, they might be trying to give up george smith
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9:42pm Mon 6 May 13

IMTrick says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I've seen the liquids advertised in strawberry flavour and other fruity flavours - and they still contain nicotine. If that's not targetting kids I don't know what is.
You've got to be kidding. You seriously think that, if something tastes like fruit, it's "targetting kids?" Have you considered that, maybe, it's targetting adults who like fruit?

It's ridiculous to think that, just because something tastes good, there's something nefarious going on.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I've seen the liquids advertised in strawberry flavour and other fruity flavours - and they still contain nicotine. If that's not targetting kids I don't know what is.[/p][/quote]You've got to be kidding. You seriously think that, if something tastes like fruit, it's "targetting kids?" Have you considered that, maybe, it's targetting adults who like fruit? It's ridiculous to think that, just because something tastes good, there's something nefarious going on. IMTrick
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9:43pm Mon 6 May 13

FatherTed11 says...

Those poor kids. Won't someone think of the children?!
Those poor kids. Won't someone think of the children?! FatherTed11
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3:44am Tue 7 May 13

ecigator says...

I can get behind keeping minors from using any Nicotine product. What I can not get behind is taxing electronic cigarettes the same way tobacco cigarettes are taxed and treating them in the same regards. Hopefully our Government will for once get something right. http://www.ecigator.
net/
I can get behind keeping minors from using any Nicotine product. What I can not get behind is taxing electronic cigarettes the same way tobacco cigarettes are taxed and treating them in the same regards. Hopefully our Government will for once get something right. http://www.ecigator. net/ ecigator
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8:37am Tue 7 May 13

the taffster says...

electronic fag.is that a gay robot?
electronic fag.is that a gay robot? the taffster
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11:15am Tue 7 May 13

odear says...

OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS . odear
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1:03pm Tue 7 May 13

Spanners says...

odear wrote:
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works

an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit)

The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does

You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab.

You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for
[quote][p][bold]odear[/bold] wrote: OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit) The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab. You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for Spanners
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2:33pm Tue 7 May 13

qm says...

One 14-year-old pupil in Year 9 at Blatchington Mill said: "Everyone thinks it's rebellious to smoke but it's the soft version of that, the one without any bad side effects.

Quite wrong. There are side effects, just different ones, not as obvious and all the more insidious for it.
Time shall be the truthsayer!
One 14-year-old pupil in Year 9 at Blatchington Mill said: "Everyone thinks it's rebellious to smoke but it's the soft version of that, the one without any bad side effects. Quite wrong. There are side effects, just different ones, not as obvious and all the more insidious for it. Time shall be the truthsayer! qm
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2:44pm Tue 7 May 13

qm says...

Spanners wrote:
odear wrote:
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works

an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit)

The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does

You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab.

You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for
You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well!

Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.

All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons!
[quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odear[/bold] wrote: OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit) The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab. You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for[/p][/quote]You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well! Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate. All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons! qm
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2:57pm Tue 7 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

The government are desperate to ban e-cigs because they are losing so much money in taxation. Along with the pharma industry who want to sell their extortionately priced nicotine gum and patches.

E-cigs are fantastic - I haven't smoked for ages by using these. I know loads of people who have given up smoking or completely switched to e-cigs.

If children are using e-cigs, is that really any worse than them using tobacco?

The real tragedy would be if e-cigs end up banned due to stories like this when they are truly one of the most innovative and useful ways to help people quit smoking. Patches and gum have a far lower success rate.
The government are desperate to ban e-cigs because they are losing so much money in taxation. Along with the pharma industry who want to sell their extortionately priced nicotine gum and patches. E-cigs are fantastic - I haven't smoked for ages by using these. I know loads of people who have given up smoking or completely switched to e-cigs. If children are using e-cigs, is that really any worse than them using tobacco? The real tragedy would be if e-cigs end up banned due to stories like this when they are truly one of the most innovative and useful ways to help people quit smoking. Patches and gum have a far lower success rate. thevoiceoftruth
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3:04pm Tue 7 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

qm wrote:
Spanners wrote:
odear wrote:
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works

an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit)

The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does

You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab.

You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for
You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well!

Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.

All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons!
These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odear[/bold] wrote: OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit) The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab. You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for[/p][/quote]You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well! Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate. All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons![/p][/quote]These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now. thevoiceoftruth
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4:48pm Tue 7 May 13

chas says...

Next they will be telling us that consuming sweet cigarettes will encourage children to start smoking proper cigarettes?
Next they will be telling us that consuming sweet cigarettes will encourage children to start smoking proper cigarettes? chas
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7:27pm Tue 7 May 13

qm says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
qm wrote:
Spanners wrote:
odear wrote:
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works

an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit)

The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does

You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab.

You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for
You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well!

Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.

All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons!
These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now.
Thoroughly agree! I have been using them for several months and I know I would feel better if I didn't use them at all.
I guess having smoked for well over 50 years and have symptoms of long term damage, I am probably more sensitive to anything ingested in this way.
For me, it was the lesser of 2 evils, having not smoked for several months, I could feel that I was cracking under the strain, and REALLY didn't want to succumb. My opinion simply is that smoking is about the stupidest thing that you can do to yourself, but you only really get to appreciate the truth of it when it's too bl**dy late!
As Richard Wilson said before he died having not smoked for his last 10 years, "It's the ciggys that got me"!
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odear[/bold] wrote: OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit) The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab. You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for[/p][/quote]You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well! Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate. All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons![/p][/quote]These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now.[/p][/quote]Thoroughly agree! I have been using them for several months and I know I would feel better if I didn't use them at all. I guess having smoked for well over 50 years and have symptoms of long term damage, I am probably more sensitive to anything ingested in this way. For me, it was the lesser of 2 evils, having not smoked for several months, I could feel that I was cracking under the strain, and REALLY didn't want to succumb. My opinion simply is that smoking is about the stupidest thing that you can do to yourself, but you only really get to appreciate the truth of it when it's too bl**dy late! As Richard Wilson said before he died having not smoked for his last 10 years, "It's the ciggys that got me"! qm
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12:44pm Wed 8 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

qm wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
qm wrote:
Spanners wrote:
odear wrote:
OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .
Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works

an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit)

The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does

You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab.

You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for
You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well!

Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate.

All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons!
These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now.
Thoroughly agree! I have been using them for several months and I know I would feel better if I didn't use them at all.
I guess having smoked for well over 50 years and have symptoms of long term damage, I am probably more sensitive to anything ingested in this way.
For me, it was the lesser of 2 evils, having not smoked for several months, I could feel that I was cracking under the strain, and REALLY didn't want to succumb. My opinion simply is that smoking is about the stupidest thing that you can do to yourself, but you only really get to appreciate the truth of it when it's too bl**dy late!
As Richard Wilson said before he died having not smoked for his last 10 years, "It's the ciggys that got me"!
I know what you mean. I would probably crack if out in the pub with other smokers but e-cigs keep me on the straight and narrow. I did notice some of them made me cough - I think it depends what flavour and type you use. I avoid the 'tobacco' flavours.

Good luck and stay off the evil fags!
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spanners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]odear[/bold] wrote: OK, THINK YOU WILL FIND THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE E-CIG APART FILL IT WITH WHAT EVER KIND OF DRUG AND SMOKE IT AND WILL NOT SMELL.. I HEAR THE BIG PEOPLE ARE DOING IT IN PUBS THERE NOW THINKING NO E-CIGS IN PUBS BECAUSE OF THIS .[/p][/quote]Shouty capitals and lack of coherent english aside....this is total bull and shows a complete lack of even the most basic undertanding of how an e-cig (like the one pictured) works an e-cig is a battery (the white bit in the photo) and a cartomiser (the brown bit) The cartomiser contains a mostly water fluid/gel which which can contain an amount of nicotine and flavourings. When you suck the battery heats this gel vapourising a small amount into water vapour with the nicotine/flavour. Thats all it does You cant just stick whatever you like in it and smoke it or vape it - there is no flame, there is no smell removal filter, there is no onboard chemistry lab. You are, in short, talking out of a hole that ecigs are not designed for[/p][/quote]You can pop this into that hole of which you speak as well! Liquid for producing vapor in electronic cigarettes, known as e-juice or e-liquid, is a solution of propylene glycol (PG) and/or vegetable glycerin (VG) and/or polyethylene glycol 400 (PEG400) mixed with concentrated flavors, and optionally, a variable percentage of a liquid nicotine concentrate. All three of the above are known to irritate the airways and the lungs. The long term effects are as yet unknown for obvious reasons![/p][/quote]These are relatively new products - however, I somehow doubt they cause the same health problems as smoking tobacco with the 4000 poisons it contains. There is no tar, carbon monoxide, or arsenic. We do not know the long-term effects but if you are already smoking cigarettes, then it's unlikely to be worse than what you are doing to your body now.[/p][/quote]Thoroughly agree! I have been using them for several months and I know I would feel better if I didn't use them at all. I guess having smoked for well over 50 years and have symptoms of long term damage, I am probably more sensitive to anything ingested in this way. For me, it was the lesser of 2 evils, having not smoked for several months, I could feel that I was cracking under the strain, and REALLY didn't want to succumb. My opinion simply is that smoking is about the stupidest thing that you can do to yourself, but you only really get to appreciate the truth of it when it's too bl**dy late! As Richard Wilson said before he died having not smoked for his last 10 years, "It's the ciggys that got me"![/p][/quote]I know what you mean. I would probably crack if out in the pub with other smokers but e-cigs keep me on the straight and narrow. I did notice some of them made me cough - I think it depends what flavour and type you use. I avoid the 'tobacco' flavours. Good luck and stay off the evil fags! thevoiceoftruth
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