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The Argus: Council workers at the Hollingdean depot this morning Council workers at the Hollingdean depot this morning

Bin men and street sweepers are refusing to work this morning after the details of a pay review were revealed.

After months of negotiations, Brighton and Hove City Council revealed its offer on how it would revamp the system of allowances and expenses to staff yesterday (May 7).

The majority of its 8,000-strong workforce will not lose out.

But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year.

At 7am this morning (May 8), no vehicles left the Hollingdean depot with staff refusing to work and remaining in the canteen.

After being told how the council's offer would affect them, the workforce said they wanted to discuss the issue with the council's chief executive Penny Thompson and council leader Jason Kitcat before "even considering working".

It means communal bins will be uncollected and the city's streets will not be swept.

Due to the bank holiday "catch-up rounds", those whose normal collection day is Tuesday will be left with full bins.

Union support

A leaflet being passed around by GMB representatives said it would work so that staff did not give up "one penny".

Mark Turner, of GMB, said: "There's not a single member of the workforce who does not support the union on this.

"At the end of the day they are very angry. I warned the council and the negotiators that this would and yet they just carried on.

"These are hard working low-paid people who, if this goes ahead, could be faced with making the choice of putting food on the table or paying their rent."

Strike ballot

Mr Turner added the union had permission to ballot for strike action "as and when" it felt there was no other option.

Elected politicians handed over control of negotiations to unelected officers at a council meeting in January.

Labour voted against the move but the Conservatives and four members of the Green minority administration, which was elected on a pledge to resist all cuts, voted for the plan.

One refuse worker, who had worked at the depot for 25 years, told The Argus this morning: "The Greens are bottling out.

"They are getting other people to do their work for them. They have not got the guts to do their job."

Consultation

The council's final offer was announced yesterday and a 90-day consultation into the proposal will now take place.

Ms Thompson said: "These proposals will have little impact on most of the work force and will mean positive changes for the majority of staff affected.

"For those who will see a loss we have ensured that compensation will be provided.

"The negotiations have never been about making savings.

"This is however about making sure that we are a council fit for purpose with a fair, consistent  and affordable pay and allowances system alongside a clear agenda to provide efficient, quality services which benefit everyone.”

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8:34am Wed 8 May 13

Pitviper says...

Will we notice a difference? maybe on bin collections but certainly not on road cleansing. This morning alone I have had to dodge numerous piles of vomit and bags of rubbish.
Will we notice a difference? maybe on bin collections but certainly not on road cleansing. This morning alone I have had to dodge numerous piles of vomit and bags of rubbish. Pitviper
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8:36am Wed 8 May 13

rogerthefish says...

I don't think we will notice for a few weeks Brighton is always filthy..
I don't think we will notice for a few weeks Brighton is always filthy.. rogerthefish
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8:40am Wed 8 May 13

Kiddon72 says...

"staff refused to work and stayed in the canteen"

No different to any other day then.
"staff refused to work and stayed in the canteen" No different to any other day then. Kiddon72
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8:53am Wed 8 May 13

thegrail says...

What! No quote from Kitkat on this!

Why are BHCC having to reduce payments to the staff, even though they have increased rates by just under 2%?

Could it be the money is being invested in even more hair-brained green policies instead?
What! No quote from Kitkat on this! Why are BHCC having to reduce payments to the staff, even though they have increased rates by just under 2%? Could it be the money is being invested in even more hair-brained green policies instead? thegrail
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8:54am Wed 8 May 13

spa301 says...

There may be many things to complain of in Brighton, and boy don't we, but I've personally always been very impressed with the efficiency of the street cleaners.
There may be many things to complain of in Brighton, and boy don't we, but I've personally always been very impressed with the efficiency of the street cleaners. spa301
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9:00am Wed 8 May 13

Timothy McGee says...

Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there?

Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled.
Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there? Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled. Timothy McGee
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9:01am Wed 8 May 13

Eugenius says...

It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances.
It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances. Eugenius
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9:02am Wed 8 May 13

eadie12345 says...

I expect the increase will be used to build affordable housing for the fairies that live at the bottom of Mr Kitty cat's garden.or even more cyle lanes...oh yeah he is already doing that !!
I expect the increase will be used to build affordable housing for the fairies that live at the bottom of Mr Kitty cat's garden.or even more cyle lanes...oh yeah he is already doing that !! eadie12345
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9:14am Wed 8 May 13

pwlr1966 says...

Eugenius wrote:
It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances.
If the council wants everything equal, why are they not chasing the £15 million of unpaid councl tax?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances.[/p][/quote]If the council wants everything equal, why are they not chasing the £15 million of unpaid councl tax? pwlr1966
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9:18am Wed 8 May 13

thegrail says...

Eugenius wrote:
It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances.
So this is up to BHCC to resolve - they have caused the problem by making decisions on where to reassign spending, and not made it clear to everyone of the financial impacts? And the compensation payments - you say "up to £15,300" - but how about those working the streets?

What will Kitkat (who is always first to claim glory when things go well) do about this (now that the rate payers are effected)?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: It's about making allowances equal across the council, so although City Clean staff stand to lose out on the offer as it currently stands, other staff eg care workers will gain from increased out of hours rates. Overall the policy is cost neutral or slightly more expensive. Both GMB and Argus are omitting to mention that compensation payments of up to £15300 will be offered to those losing allowances.[/p][/quote]So this is up to BHCC to resolve - they have caused the problem by making decisions on where to reassign spending, and not made it clear to everyone of the financial impacts? And the compensation payments - you say "up to £15,300" - but how about those working the streets? What will Kitkat (who is always first to claim glory when things go well) do about this (now that the rate payers are effected)? thegrail
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9:26am Wed 8 May 13

qm says...

"But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year."

Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?
"But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year." Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved? qm
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9:34am Wed 8 May 13

BURIRAM says...

Plenty more people willing to do the job, if they are not working they should be sent home without pay and not allowed to stay in canteen.
The union should sort out the problem through negotiation and not allow its members to just withdraw there labour.
Plenty more people willing to do the job, if they are not working they should be sent home without pay and not allowed to stay in canteen. The union should sort out the problem through negotiation and not allow its members to just withdraw there labour. BURIRAM
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9:37am Wed 8 May 13

Andy R says...

First I've heard of "£15k" compensation. Remains to be seen if that will be seen as adequate. There are other workers adversely affected, but the Cityclean workers are the largest most concentrated group standing to lose the most.

We'll see how this "no-one will notice" line is working after a few days (if this continues), shall we?
First I've heard of "£15k" compensation. Remains to be seen if that will be seen as adequate. There are other workers adversely affected, but the Cityclean workers are the largest most concentrated group standing to lose the most. We'll see how this "no-one will notice" line is working after a few days (if this continues), shall we? Andy R
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9:50am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

£15k? I have it from a reliable source that they have been offered £6k

Lets see if Kitcat and the cheif exec have got the bottle to face the workforce they are screwing over...
£15k? I have it from a reliable source that they have been offered £6k Lets see if Kitcat and the cheif exec have got the bottle to face the workforce they are screwing over... Slim Boy Fat
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9:51am Wed 8 May 13

Eugenius says...

Table of compensation payments at this link: http://blog.scrapper
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Table of compensation payments at this link: http://blog.scrapper duncan.com/wp-conten t/uploads/2013/05/Ta ble2.png Eugenius
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9:54am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

come Kitcat grow a pair and face your workforce
come Kitcat grow a pair and face your workforce Slim Boy Fat
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9:55am Wed 8 May 13

Nick Brighton says...

qm wrote:
"But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year."

Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?
I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: "But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year." Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?[/p][/quote]I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are. Nick Brighton
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10:05am Wed 8 May 13

qm says...

Nick Brighton wrote:
qm wrote:
"But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year."

Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?
I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are.
Ah, thanks Nick - that sheds a glimmer on what's behind the issue! As you suggest, without knowing more of the detail, it would be difficult and disingenuous to formulate an opinion!
[quote][p][bold]Nick Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: "But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year." Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?[/p][/quote]I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are.[/p][/quote]Ah, thanks Nick - that sheds a glimmer on what's behind the issue! As you suggest, without knowing more of the detail, it would be difficult and disingenuous to formulate an opinion! qm
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10:09am Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance. Fight_Back
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10:11am Wed 8 May 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Good for them. It's disgusting their pay is reduced and they work so hard and keep this city clean. Stupid council. They don't earn much and keep the city moving. I back them every step of the way.

Lucky I don't live in Brighton though, it's going to get smelly in a few days. Good luck with that folks!
Good for them. It's disgusting their pay is reduced and they work so hard and keep this city clean. Stupid council. They don't earn much and keep the city moving. I back them every step of the way. Lucky I don't live in Brighton though, it's going to get smelly in a few days. Good luck with that folks! Hoarder12345444
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10:15am Wed 8 May 13

Tallywhacker says...

qm wrote:
Nick Brighton wrote:
qm wrote:
"But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year."

Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?
I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are.
Ah, thanks Nick - that sheds a glimmer on what's behind the issue! As you suggest, without knowing more of the detail, it would be difficult and disingenuous to formulate an opinion!
Ahh the Argus. Not a centre of investigative journalism. Never shall any facts cloud a story they print. If they ran the met office the weather report would consist of "There is going to be some weather today, followed by a bit more weather that may continue later. Or not." We need some facts....how much are the wages now, how much will they drop, who will lose, who will gain, if it's not to save money why spend money doing it? Answers in a separate column please.
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: "But refuse and recycling staff at Hollingdean depot are to lose up to £4,000 a year." Please excuse my ignorance but how is it that only this exclusive group are affected and how many people involved?[/p][/quote]I think it's a legacy of when Brighton and Hove were amalgamated a few years ago. The different Boroughs had different rates of pay and different T&Cs. Now they're trying to align them. But you're right, we're not being told the whole story, just people saying they're angry and it's not fair. It would be great if, as the people who are ultimately paying their wages, we could see not only the background to the proposed changes, but what the proposed changes actually are.[/p][/quote]Ah, thanks Nick - that sheds a glimmer on what's behind the issue! As you suggest, without knowing more of the detail, it would be difficult and disingenuous to formulate an opinion![/p][/quote]Ahh the Argus. Not a centre of investigative journalism. Never shall any facts cloud a story they print. If they ran the met office the weather report would consist of "There is going to be some weather today, followed by a bit more weather that may continue later. Or not." We need some facts....how much are the wages now, how much will they drop, who will lose, who will gain, if it's not to save money why spend money doing it? Answers in a separate column please. Tallywhacker
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10:15am Wed 8 May 13

Smartbloke says...

Once again the clueless Arsegas readers blame the current incumbents because they're too lazy to find out the truth - a truth the Daily Mail-lite Argus doesn't publish because it has its head up the Tories' behinds.

The simple fact is that this is a Tory-created problem that the council has been lumbered.

The Argus really is a spiteful Brighton-hating paper. No wonder it is losing readers to the point of now being irrelevant.
Once again the clueless Arsegas readers blame the current incumbents because they're too lazy to find out the truth - a truth the Daily Mail-lite Argus doesn't publish because it has its head up the Tories' behinds. The simple fact is that this is a Tory-created problem that the council has been lumbered. The Argus really is a spiteful Brighton-hating paper. No wonder it is losing readers to the point of now being irrelevant. Smartbloke
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10:16am Wed 8 May 13

Man With No Name says...

Let them keep the money, if they can collect when they are supposed to and actually take all of the recycling we put out, and return the boxes to where they foud them rather than scattering 20% of it and the boxes accross the street.
Let them keep the money, if they can collect when they are supposed to and actually take all of the recycling we put out, and return the boxes to where they foud them rather than scattering 20% of it and the boxes accross the street. Man With No Name
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10:18am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

If they arnt going to work until kitcat and this Penny women face them why arnt they rushing down there?

Spineless politicians
If they arnt going to work until kitcat and this Penny women face them why arnt they rushing down there? Spineless politicians Slim Boy Fat
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10:21am Wed 8 May 13

PJW Brighton says...

Fight_Back wrote:
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.[/p][/quote]You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates. PJW Brighton
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10:22am Wed 8 May 13

nellynutter says...

I think it is wise to remember that whilst 'plenty of other people' may do this job, there are many others that wouldn't. The wage is already one of the lowest paid. They are not 'scrounging' of the government, they are working, trying to earn an acceptable wage to provide for their families.
The current workforce work hard, in ALL weathers (there is no doubt that after the last 6 months of torrential rain followed by one of the coldest periods, that this can not have been pleasant).They collect all of our rubbish, drunks vomit, dog poo bins etc for what is already a low wage. It is far too easy to discredit them and say we won't notice a difference, but @pitviper you already have noticed on the one day they are standing up for themselves that you have had to dodge numerous piles of vomit and rubbish bags!
I fully support them and all of the other low paid workers that are having wage cuts forced upon them. It's time to show them a little respect.
I think it is wise to remember that whilst 'plenty of other people' may do this job, there are many others that wouldn't. The wage is already one of the lowest paid. They are not 'scrounging' of the government, they are working, trying to earn an acceptable wage to provide for their families. The current workforce work hard, in ALL weathers (there is no doubt that after the last 6 months of torrential rain followed by one of the coldest periods, that this can not have been pleasant).They collect all of our rubbish, drunks vomit, dog poo bins etc for what is already a low wage. It is far too easy to discredit them and say we won't notice a difference, but @pitviper you already have noticed on the one day they are standing up for themselves that you have had to dodge numerous piles of vomit and rubbish bags! I fully support them and all of the other low paid workers that are having wage cuts forced upon them. It's time to show them a little respect. nellynutter
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10:23am Wed 8 May 13

Dealing with idiots says...

Smartbloke wrote:
Once again the clueless Arsegas readers blame the current incumbents because they're too lazy to find out the truth - a truth the Daily Mail-lite Argus doesn't publish because it has its head up the Tories' behinds.

The simple fact is that this is a Tory-created problem that the council has been lumbered.

The Argus really is a spiteful Brighton-hating paper. No wonder it is losing readers to the point of now being irrelevant.
Thank you councilor for your informed but predictable comment. Not appearing as your alternative online name today?
[quote][p][bold]Smartbloke[/bold] wrote: Once again the clueless Arsegas readers blame the current incumbents because they're too lazy to find out the truth - a truth the Daily Mail-lite Argus doesn't publish because it has its head up the Tories' behinds. The simple fact is that this is a Tory-created problem that the council has been lumbered. The Argus really is a spiteful Brighton-hating paper. No wonder it is losing readers to the point of now being irrelevant.[/p][/quote]Thank you councilor for your informed but predictable comment. Not appearing as your alternative online name today? Dealing with idiots
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10:25am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.
Errm

"You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!"

http://brightonandho
veunison.org.uk/2013
/05/01/pay-and-allow
ance-modernisation/
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.[/p][/quote]You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.[/p][/quote]Errm "You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!" http://brightonandho veunison.org.uk/2013 /05/01/pay-and-allow ance-modernisation/ Slim Boy Fat
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10:29am Wed 8 May 13

voiceofthescoombe says...

Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane voiceofthescoombe
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10:29am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

So Kitcat/Penny are you on your way?

My bins need emptying and as your employer I demand that you get down there and sort out this mess...
So Kitcat/Penny are you on your way? My bins need emptying and as your employer I demand that you get down there and sort out this mess... Slim Boy Fat
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10:43am Wed 8 May 13

paul76 says...

Whilst I do not know the in's and out's of the pay dispute, in the meantime, anybody who's rubbish has not been collected should take it down to the council offices and leave it there.
Whilst I do not know the in's and out's of the pay dispute, in the meantime, anybody who's rubbish has not been collected should take it down to the council offices and leave it there. paul76
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10:56am Wed 8 May 13

PJW Brighton says...

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.
Errm

"You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!"

http://brightonandho

veunison.org.uk/2013

/05/01/pay-and-allow

ance-modernisation/
Watch this space though...
[quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.[/p][/quote]You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.[/p][/quote]Errm "You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!" http://brightonandho veunison.org.uk/2013 /05/01/pay-and-allow ance-modernisation/[/p][/quote]Watch this space though... PJW Brighton
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10:56am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

paul76 wrote:
Whilst I do not know the in's and out's of the pay dispute, in the meantime, anybody who's rubbish has not been collected should take it down to the council offices and leave it there.
I think the ins and outs of it are that the unions came to an agreement to protect the lowest paid workers in the council a couple of years ago and the Greens have now come along and torn it up.

In the meantime summer is approaching and the bins need emptying and that Idiot Kitcat is in denial about the whole mess.

How long we got left until we can vote him out?
[quote][p][bold]paul76[/bold] wrote: Whilst I do not know the in's and out's of the pay dispute, in the meantime, anybody who's rubbish has not been collected should take it down to the council offices and leave it there.[/p][/quote]I think the ins and outs of it are that the unions came to an agreement to protect the lowest paid workers in the council a couple of years ago and the Greens have now come along and torn it up. In the meantime summer is approaching and the bins need emptying and that Idiot Kitcat is in denial about the whole mess. How long we got left until we can vote him out? Slim Boy Fat
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11:00am Wed 8 May 13

NickBtn says...

Getting pay equality without increasing spending is mathematically impossible without some people losing out. If the majority of council workers stay the same or gain then some must lose badly.

The group that loses most are the refuse workers. So how to make it fair? Well pay could be increased to these levels but that would cost many tens or hundreds of millions I suspect as thousands of people would have pay rises of thousands of pounds. This would mean a huge council tax rise which also wouldn't be allowed without a referendum

The compensation payments are equivalent to 3 to 4 years worth of the difference. Not bad - but not sure that I'd take a pay cut for that. Still, can't see another way....

However you look at this, the reasons and thinking have been very poorly explained by the council - officers and greens. The unions also could be more proactive by looking for a solution not holding out for something that can't happen without costing tens of millions of pounds
Getting pay equality without increasing spending is mathematically impossible without some people losing out. If the majority of council workers stay the same or gain then some must lose badly. The group that loses most are the refuse workers. So how to make it fair? Well pay could be increased to these levels but that would cost many tens or hundreds of millions I suspect as thousands of people would have pay rises of thousands of pounds. This would mean a huge council tax rise which also wouldn't be allowed without a referendum The compensation payments are equivalent to 3 to 4 years worth of the difference. Not bad - but not sure that I'd take a pay cut for that. Still, can't see another way.... However you look at this, the reasons and thinking have been very poorly explained by the council - officers and greens. The unions also could be more proactive by looking for a solution not holding out for something that can't happen without costing tens of millions of pounds NickBtn
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11:01am Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
PJW Brighton wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.
Errm

"You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!"

http://brightonandho


veunison.org.uk/2013


/05/01/pay-and-allow


ance-modernisation/
Watch this space though...
Why? Are you going to contradict yourself again?
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.[/p][/quote]You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.[/p][/quote]Errm "You may have seen the report in the Argus newspaper, which might be interpreted to imply that Unison is accepting the offer. Richard Woolven and myself, as your negotiators, want to make it absolutely clear – this is not the case!" http://brightonandho veunison.org.uk/2013 /05/01/pay-and-allow ance-modernisation/[/p][/quote]Watch this space though...[/p][/quote]Why? Are you going to contradict yourself again? Slim Boy Fat
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11:12am Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

PJW Brighton wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ?

Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.
You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.
There is a Unison shop steward in the canteen showing his support to the low paid workers.
£15 grand is a ten grand exageration.
Penny Thompson is on her way. Kitty cat is a coward.
[quote][p][bold]PJW Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: For once I'm with the unions. These workers do a very good job ( and one many of us would not do ). Not a single worker should be worse off. If the £15k is a one off payment then the workers losing £4k a year will still be worse off in four years time - howabout all council managers and councillors take a similar cut ? Hopefully they'll strike and bring the city to a stand still to teach the council a lesson for it's arrogance.[/p][/quote]You say you are with 'the Unions', but UNISON supports the offer because their mainly lower paid female staff stand to gain from equalising pay rates.[/p][/quote]There is a Unison shop steward in the canteen showing his support to the low paid workers. £15 grand is a ten grand exageration. Penny Thompson is on her way. Kitty cat is a coward. Notonepenny
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11:17am Wed 8 May 13

salty_pete says...

My understanding is that rates of pay are NOT affected. It is the allowances and overtime rates that are being rationalised across the authority. Over the years, and through a number of changes of management, various allowances and "perks" have been won by their union. Now the council is trying to just set one standard allowance system across the board. This means the City Clean staff will now be treated exactly the same as the rest of the BHCC staff, instead of a special case with special allowances. At least that's my understanding. So now I suppose the GMB will state that everybody is equal but City Clean staff are more equal than others.
My understanding is that rates of pay are NOT affected. It is the allowances and overtime rates that are being rationalised across the authority. Over the years, and through a number of changes of management, various allowances and "perks" have been won by their union. Now the council is trying to just set one standard allowance system across the board. This means the City Clean staff will now be treated exactly the same as the rest of the BHCC staff, instead of a special case with special allowances. At least that's my understanding. So now I suppose the GMB will state that everybody is equal but City Clean staff are more equal than others. salty_pete
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11:22am Wed 8 May 13

sunnybrighton says...

These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches.
B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.
These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches. B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it. sunnybrighton
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11:23am Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

salty_pete wrote:
My understanding is that rates of pay are NOT affected. It is the allowances and overtime rates that are being rationalised across the authority. Over the years, and through a number of changes of management, various allowances and "perks" have been won by their union. Now the council is trying to just set one standard allowance system across the board. This means the City Clean staff will now be treated exactly the same as the rest of the BHCC staff, instead of a special case with special allowances. At least that's my understanding. So now I suppose the GMB will state that everybody is equal but City Clean staff are more equal than others.
These allowances were put in place by the conservative administration in 2009 to protect our pay from the single status insanity and vetted by their lawyers.This Green led council have decided to ignore this agreement and cut our wages stating "clear and transparant, not about saving money blah blah blah". back to square one. Shame on you Greens. I hope you choke on your lentils
[quote][p][bold]salty_pete[/bold] wrote: My understanding is that rates of pay are NOT affected. It is the allowances and overtime rates that are being rationalised across the authority. Over the years, and through a number of changes of management, various allowances and "perks" have been won by their union. Now the council is trying to just set one standard allowance system across the board. This means the City Clean staff will now be treated exactly the same as the rest of the BHCC staff, instead of a special case with special allowances. At least that's my understanding. So now I suppose the GMB will state that everybody is equal but City Clean staff are more equal than others.[/p][/quote]These allowances were put in place by the conservative administration in 2009 to protect our pay from the single status insanity and vetted by their lawyers.This Green led council have decided to ignore this agreement and cut our wages stating "clear and transparant, not about saving money blah blah blah". back to square one. Shame on you Greens. I hope you choke on your lentils Notonepenny
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11:41am Wed 8 May 13

NickBtn says...

sunnybrighton wrote:
These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches.
B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.
Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair

Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year).

Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles.....
[quote][p][bold]sunnybrighton[/bold] wrote: These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches. B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.[/p][/quote]Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year). Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles..... NickBtn
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11:52am Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

NickBtn wrote:
sunnybrighton wrote:
These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches.
B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.
Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair

Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year).

Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles.....
Simple solution - ensure all the low paid workers are paid equally but at the rate that means nobody loses.

How can that be afforded I hear you ask ?

Slash salaries of any council employee over £75k by 10%, remove any bonuses for the same people and cut councillor allowances and expenses by 20%.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunnybrighton[/bold] wrote: These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches. B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.[/p][/quote]Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year). Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles.....[/p][/quote]Simple solution - ensure all the low paid workers are paid equally but at the rate that means nobody loses. How can that be afforded I hear you ask ? Slash salaries of any council employee over £75k by 10%, remove any bonuses for the same people and cut councillor allowances and expenses by 20%. Fight_Back
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11:54am Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

NickBtn wrote:
sunnybrighton wrote:
These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches.
B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.
Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair

Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year).

Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles.....
The allowances that are being taken from us are not under dispute in any equal pay claims that our unions and their lawyers are dealing with.Unison are up here with us. Keep believing the Green "equal pay" mantra and KItcat brainwashing. He cant even be bothered to face us.
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sunnybrighton[/bold] wrote: These hard working men and women work very hard in all weathers. They are probably the most public facing employees the council have. Residents and visitors don't want to see overflowing bins and litter strewn beaches. B&HCC give them what they want, they deserve it.[/p][/quote]Yes, but there are lots of other low paid council employees that work hard too. Often in difficult conditions providing care, cleaning etc. Equal pay means that some of these more hidden council workers are rewarded equally too. That seems fair Equal pay as a principle seems to be supported by all sides. The issue is the migration and who wins and loses to get to this. Unison on their web site seem to accept that some will benefit and others will lose and that they will fight to get the best deal to maximise the wins and minimise the losses. GMB (who refuse workers mainly part of), seem to have the position of no-one losing a penny - that's a lovely idea but a bit impractical unless you either make equal not equal (and open up for claims for ever onwards from those who lose out) or pay all much more (which would cost tens of millions each year). Hopefully the GMB is just starting with a hard negotiating point and will be willing to compromise otherwise it's members will be in for a long strike and we'll have lots of rubbish piles.....[/p][/quote]The allowances that are being taken from us are not under dispute in any equal pay claims that our unions and their lawyers are dealing with.Unison are up here with us. Keep believing the Green "equal pay" mantra and KItcat brainwashing. He cant even be bothered to face us. Notonepenny
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12:13pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation."

Mate I think they have responded LOL

Is this man for real?
Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation." Mate I think they have responded LOL Is this man for real? Slim Boy Fat
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12:16pm Wed 8 May 13

whereisthe...? says...

ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM.

But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it?


Toadying vile scum.
ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM. But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it? Toadying vile scum. whereisthe...?
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12:19pm Wed 8 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat!
Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat! thevoiceoftruth
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12:22pm Wed 8 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation."

Mate I think they have responded LOL

Is this man for real?
Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.
[quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation." Mate I think they have responded LOL Is this man for real?[/p][/quote]Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it. thevoiceoftruth
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12:23pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat!
Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs !
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat![/p][/quote]Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs ! Fight_Back
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12:25pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Kitcat will communicate with his twitter followers but not his lowest paid employees.

Jason the bins need emptying and your workforce wants a word so get off twitter and get your arse down the depot....
Kitcat will communicate with his twitter followers but not his lowest paid employees. Jason the bins need emptying and your workforce wants a word so get off twitter and get your arse down the depot.... Slim Boy Fat
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12:29pm Wed 8 May 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

How many bin men can you pay for the price of a bus lane?
How many bin men can you pay for the price of a bus lane? Bob_The_Ferret
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12:32pm Wed 8 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

Fight_Back wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat!
Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs !
It says it all really. I object to paying someone to sit on Twitter rather than doing their job. Think it's time his pay was significantly reduced!
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat![/p][/quote]Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs ![/p][/quote]It says it all really. I object to paying someone to sit on Twitter rather than doing their job. Think it's time his pay was significantly reduced! thevoiceoftruth
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12:45pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat!
Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs !
It says it all really. I object to paying someone to sit on Twitter rather than doing their job. Think it's time his pay was significantly reduced!
He is still tweeting and the bins still need emptying....

Maybe the low paid unnerve him. He doesnt encounter the working classes much on his trips to waitrose and infinity foods.

Jason go face your workforce before this gets out of hand
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: Totally on the side of the refuse workers. Kitcat is on over £40k a year. I know who does the better job. Get down there and face them, you cowardly Kitcat![/p][/quote]Strange that he bigged up his "encounter" with travellers over in Hollingbury but doesn't have the guts to face the very people he employs ![/p][/quote]It says it all really. I object to paying someone to sit on Twitter rather than doing their job. Think it's time his pay was significantly reduced![/p][/quote]He is still tweeting and the bins still need emptying.... Maybe the low paid unnerve him. He doesnt encounter the working classes much on his trips to waitrose and infinity foods. Jason go face your workforce before this gets out of hand Slim Boy Fat
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1:01pm Wed 8 May 13

Hove Actually says...

spa301 wrote:
There may be many things to complain of in Brighton, and boy don't we, but I've personally always been very impressed with the efficiency of the street cleaners.
You must live on a main road as here in Hove we rarely see a street cleaner.
Once in a while that sweeping machine will drive down the centre of the road not getting anywhere near the kerbs as most people are at home first thing in the morning
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: There may be many things to complain of in Brighton, and boy don't we, but I've personally always been very impressed with the efficiency of the street cleaners.[/p][/quote]You must live on a main road as here in Hove we rarely see a street cleaner. Once in a while that sweeping machine will drive down the centre of the road not getting anywhere near the kerbs as most people are at home first thing in the morning Hove Actually
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1:05pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter....

The bins still need emptying....
Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter.... The bins still need emptying.... Slim Boy Fat
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1:16pm Wed 8 May 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM.

But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it?


Toadying vile scum.
You what pal?
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM. But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it? Toadying vile scum.[/p][/quote]You what pal? Hoarder12345444
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1:18pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter....

The bins still need emptying....
Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ?

To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens.
[quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter.... The bins still need emptying....[/p][/quote]Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ? To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens. Fight_Back
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1:22pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter....

The bins still need emptying....
Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ?

To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens.
Fingers crossed
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter.... The bins still need emptying....[/p][/quote]Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ? To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens.[/p][/quote]Fingers crossed Slim Boy Fat
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1:29pm Wed 8 May 13

thegrail says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation."

Mate I think they have responded LOL

Is this man for real?
Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.
Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time.

It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it!

A spine-less leader who leads from the rear.

Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions?

And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members?
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation." Mate I think they have responded LOL Is this man for real?[/p][/quote]Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.[/p][/quote]Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time. It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it! A spine-less leader who leads from the rear. Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions? And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members? thegrail
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1:32pm Wed 8 May 13

minnie&teddy says...

wow 4.ooo drop a year what are they earning then?i have to say that where we live the dustmen leave the bin area more messy than it was before their visit these men/women do consider they are the only ones working and deserve a medal for what they signed up to do there are a lot of people who have no work and would probably jump at the job.
wow 4.ooo drop a year what are they earning then?i have to say that where we live the dustmen leave the bin area more messy than it was before their visit these men/women do consider they are the only ones working and deserve a medal for what they signed up to do there are a lot of people who have no work and would probably jump at the job. minnie&teddy
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1:37pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Kitcat on twitter: "By chaos you mean staff are going to their scheduled briefings & receiving very detailed info packs before 1-1 manager meetings?"

Yes Jason everythings going to plan. No need to panic.
Kitcat on twitter: "By chaos you mean staff are going to their scheduled briefings & receiving very detailed info packs before 1-1 manager meetings?" Yes Jason everythings going to plan. No need to panic. Slim Boy Fat
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1:42pm Wed 8 May 13

NickBtn says...

thegrail wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation."

Mate I think they have responded LOL

Is this man for real?
Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.
Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time.

It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it!

A spine-less leader who leads from the rear.

Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions?

And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members?
Don't forget that Mr Kitkat only just won re-election as leader a few weeks ago for the greens. Despite being the only candidate! Many of the green members wanted RON (re-open nominations) - so hardly a vote of support even from his own party

But yes, he should meet and understand the issues. A strike over the summer with rubbish on the streets will do the tourist trade huge harm
[quote][p][bold]thegrail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation." Mate I think they have responded LOL Is this man for real?[/p][/quote]Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.[/p][/quote]Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time. It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it! A spine-less leader who leads from the rear. Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions? And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members?[/p][/quote]Don't forget that Mr Kitkat only just won re-election as leader a few weeks ago for the greens. Despite being the only candidate! Many of the green members wanted RON (re-open nominations) - so hardly a vote of support even from his own party But yes, he should meet and understand the issues. A strike over the summer with rubbish on the streets will do the tourist trade huge harm NickBtn
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1:43pm Wed 8 May 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM. But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it? Toadying vile scum.
Calm down dear or you'll have a coronary. Do you ever make a post without using the word scum?
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: ITS CALLED A *STRIKE* YOU RIGHT WING ARGUS SCUM. But you dont want to use that word *in case* it SPREADS, and that would upset your TORY paymasters, wouldnt it? Toadying vile scum.[/p][/quote]Calm down dear or you'll have a coronary. Do you ever make a post without using the word scum? Cyril Bolleaux
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1:58pm Wed 8 May 13

bluesteal says...

Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action. bluesteal
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2:03pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ! Fight_Back
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2:11pm Wed 8 May 13

bluesteal says...

Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set" bluesteal
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2:15pm Wed 8 May 13

rolivan says...

bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So if everyone paid attention at school who would then clean the streets.I am still trying to find out what happened to the Chewing Gum Removal Machine that cost over a £100.000 and is sitting idle somewhere at the Hollingdean Depot.
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So if everyone paid attention at school who would then clean the streets.I am still trying to find out what happened to the Chewing Gum Removal Machine that cost over a £100.000 and is sitting idle somewhere at the Hollingdean Depot. rolivan
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2:16pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ! Fight_Back
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2:36pm Wed 8 May 13

bluesteal says...

Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job. bluesteal
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2:38pm Wed 8 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Timothy McGee wrote:
Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there?

Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled.
No doubt the wretched, incompetent Greens will rename them 'Bin Persons'; and build special public toilets for them
[quote][p][bold]Timothy McGee[/bold] wrote: Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there? Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled.[/p][/quote]No doubt the wretched, incompetent Greens will rename them 'Bin Persons'; and build special public toilets for them BornInBrighton1968
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2:50pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Timothy McGee wrote:
Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there?

Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled.
No doubt the wretched, incompetent Greens will rename them 'Bin Persons'; and build special public toilets for them
Refuse engineers
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Timothy McGee[/bold] wrote: Isn't this article a bit sexist? "Bin Men"? What about the women who also work there? Good luck to them all, I don't blame them - £4K a year is a lot to lose. I was starting to believe in the Green Party with some of the other stuff they are doing but now I think I may have been fooled.[/p][/quote]No doubt the wretched, incompetent Greens will rename them 'Bin Persons'; and build special public toilets for them[/p][/quote]Refuse engineers Notonepenny
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2:51pm Wed 8 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter....

The bins still need emptying....
Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ?

To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens.
My feelings are, as usual, we must do whatever we can to remove the wretched, incompetent 'snot' Greens from power...
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Caroline Lucas has just stated she will join the picket line. Jason still cant be bothered to get off twitter.... The bins still need emptying....[/p][/quote]Doesn't look like Kitcat's going to have many friends soon if the only Green MP is even against him. Could this be the Green Party imploding ? To the "strikers" - keep going - you may well do the whole city a favour if you bring down the Greens.[/p][/quote]My feelings are, as usual, we must do whatever we can to remove the wretched, incompetent 'snot' Greens from power... BornInBrighton1968
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2:51pm Wed 8 May 13

rolivan says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
You haven't answered My Question.
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]You haven't answered My Question. rolivan
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2:54pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

rolivan wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
You haven't answered My Question.
I smell bull sh*t. Do not feed the trolls. Probably Kitcat trying to make out at least one person agrees with him
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]You haven't answered My Question.[/p][/quote]I smell bull sh*t. Do not feed the trolls. Probably Kitcat trying to make out at least one person agrees with him Notonepenny
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3:00pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.
[quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane[/p][/quote]Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage. bumpy48
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3:03pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

bumpy48 wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.
over 25% of annual salary
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane[/p][/quote]Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.[/p][/quote]over 25% of annual salary Notonepenny
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3:12pm Wed 8 May 13

thegrail says...

NickBtn wrote:
thegrail wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
Slim Boy Fat wrote:
Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation."

Mate I think they have responded LOL

Is this man for real?
Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.
Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time.

It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it!

A spine-less leader who leads from the rear.

Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions?

And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members?
Don't forget that Mr Kitkat only just won re-election as leader a few weeks ago for the greens. Despite being the only candidate! Many of the green members wanted RON (re-open nominations) - so hardly a vote of support even from his own party

But yes, he should meet and understand the issues. A strike over the summer with rubbish on the streets will do the tourist trade huge harm
I didn't realise Kitkat convinced all the others that an unopposed election is best for the party (reminds me of Yes Minister).

Kitkat seems to have gone all quiet on Twitter! I wonder why?

Has he finally got some real work to do today instead of discussing recipes for doughnuts (see his twitter feed if you don't believe it!)?

Or perhaps he's on the train up to London to see Caroline (see her Twitter feed where she calls the UK Government incompetent after the Queen's speech - talk about kettle and pots)?
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thegrail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: Mr Kitcat is on twitter saying "I think right now staff need to receive briefing on the offer & respond to consultation." Mate I think they have responded LOL Is this man for real?[/p][/quote]Unbelievable that he is currently sitting tweeting about it. There is a time for social networking and this isn't it.[/p][/quote]Just have a look at this twitter feed - Kitkat is totally out of touch with the needs of Brighton & Hove residents - he seems to be living in an "ivory tower" - spending all day commenting on global events - I assume wanting to take over from Lucas at some time. It looks like he runs the council from the top as well - he issues edicts and his troops (managers) do his beckoning. He then hides in the background getting them to do his evil deeds - and pretends he has nothing to do with it! A spine-less leader who leads from the rear. Where are the leaders of old that lead from the front and take responsibility for the council's actions? And if he is the top green councillor - what does it say about the qualities of the lower ranking green council members?[/p][/quote]Don't forget that Mr Kitkat only just won re-election as leader a few weeks ago for the greens. Despite being the only candidate! Many of the green members wanted RON (re-open nominations) - so hardly a vote of support even from his own party But yes, he should meet and understand the issues. A strike over the summer with rubbish on the streets will do the tourist trade huge harm[/p][/quote]I didn't realise Kitkat convinced all the others that an unopposed election is best for the party (reminds me of Yes Minister). Kitkat seems to have gone all quiet on Twitter! I wonder why? Has he finally got some real work to do today instead of discussing recipes for doughnuts (see his twitter feed if you don't believe it!)? Or perhaps he's on the train up to London to see Caroline (see her Twitter feed where she calls the UK Government incompetent after the Queen's speech - talk about kettle and pots)? thegrail
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3:16pm Wed 8 May 13

fredflintstone1 says...

When is Gillian Marston going to be sacked? This is yet another fiasco in her department, following on the dead fish and toads in Preston Park, the illegal clearance of woodland in Wild Park without permission from the Forestry Commission etc. etc.

It's a total disgrace, and it's not good enough trying to blame the workers, when the management is demonstrably so incompetent.
When is Gillian Marston going to be sacked? This is yet another fiasco in her department, following on the dead fish and toads in Preston Park, the illegal clearance of woodland in Wild Park without permission from the Forestry Commission etc. etc. It's a total disgrace, and it's not good enough trying to blame the workers, when the management is demonstrably so incompetent. fredflintstone1
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3:38pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Who is Kit cat?
Who is Kit cat? bumpy48
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3:43pm Wed 8 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Who is Kit cat?
A dreadful little man
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Who is Kit cat?[/p][/quote]A dreadful little man BornInBrighton1968
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3:43pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.
over 25% of annual salary
So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated.
[quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane[/p][/quote]Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.[/p][/quote]over 25% of annual salary[/p][/quote]So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated. bumpy48
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3:56pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.
over 25% of annual salary
So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated.
37 hours actually
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane[/p][/quote]Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.[/p][/quote]over 25% of annual salary[/p][/quote]So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated.[/p][/quote]37 hours actually Notonepenny
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4:04pm Wed 8 May 13

adream says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
wow i bet you are a great boss to work for, i also bet you know the various levels of minimum wage, and what you can get away with.
they say that there is a higher incidence of sociopaths in positions such as yours
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]wow i bet you are a great boss to work for, i also bet you know the various levels of minimum wage, and what you can get away with. they say that there is a higher incidence of sociopaths in positions such as yours adream
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4:12pm Wed 8 May 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Really nice video you've put up Argus - Really adds alot to the story. Was it recorded on a mobile phone by any chance?
Really nice video you've put up Argus - Really adds alot to the story. Was it recorded on a mobile phone by any chance? Slim Boy Fat
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4:14pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
voiceofthescoombe wrote:
Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane
Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.
over 25% of annual salary
So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated.
I suspect you should have paid better attention in your maths lessons ! For a 37 hour week the minimum yearly salary is £11,900.
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceofthescoombe[/bold] wrote: Its a dirty hard job expecting them to take a £4000 pay cut is insane[/p][/quote]Do you have any idea what they do earn. It might be that £4000 is a tiny percentage.[/p][/quote]over 25% of annual salary[/p][/quote]So if £4000 is 25% of salary, they are being asked to work a 40 hour week for £12000pa. This is less than the minimum wage. I suspect your figure has been fabricated.[/p][/quote]I suspect you should have paid better attention in your maths lessons ! For a 37 hour week the minimum yearly salary is £11,900. Fight_Back
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4:33pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime. bumpy48
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5:05pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays. Notonepenny
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5:32pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
[quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private. bumpy48
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5:50pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.[/p][/quote]Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money. Notonepenny
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6:37pm Wed 8 May 13

L bailey says...

Mr smartbloke you really are not!
Mr smartbloke you really are not! L bailey
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7:24pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.
The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.
[quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.[/p][/quote]Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.[/p][/quote]The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job. bumpy48
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7:39pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.
The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.
Yes your right they do a good job. Thats why a large number of them were sat in the canteen refusing to work today , horrified that their wages are being slashed so much by kitcat and his green council
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.[/p][/quote]Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.[/p][/quote]The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.[/p][/quote]Yes your right they do a good job. Thats why a large number of them were sat in the canteen refusing to work today , horrified that their wages are being slashed so much by kitcat and his green council Notonepenny
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8:21pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.
The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.
And they too are covered by the minimum wage legislation !
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.[/p][/quote]Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.[/p][/quote]The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.[/p][/quote]And they too are covered by the minimum wage legislation ! Fight_Back
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8:27pm Wed 8 May 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
What's your company called? Just so I can boycott it if needed. Refuse workers are far more important than you are, big head. Keeping the city clean is essential - unless you particularly like rats, bluebottles and the stench of decaying rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]What's your company called? Just so I can boycott it if needed. Refuse workers are far more important than you are, big head. Keeping the city clean is essential - unless you particularly like rats, bluebottles and the stench of decaying rubbish. thevoiceoftruth
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8:29pm Wed 8 May 13

Thatsjustyummy says...

F**k 'em.

Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial.

Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in.

Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.
F**k 'em. Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial. Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place. Thatsjustyummy
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8:30pm Wed 8 May 13

Thatsjustyummy says...

add to that, that despite obviously 'clocking in' I bloody hope the lazy ba*****ds don't get paid for this stupid behaviour
add to that, that despite obviously 'clocking in' I bloody hope the lazy ba*****ds don't get paid for this stupid behaviour Thatsjustyummy
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8:44pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

Thatsjustyummy wrote:
F**k 'em.

Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial.

Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in.

Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.
Im not sure why im bothering but i will repeat:
Record numbers of residents say that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service.
89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000.
73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000.
Last year we got a four star award from Keep Britain Tidy and no we dont get paid for strikes
[quote][p][bold]Thatsjustyummy[/bold] wrote: F**k 'em. Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial. Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.[/p][/quote]Im not sure why im bothering but i will repeat: Record numbers of residents say that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. Last year we got a four star award from Keep Britain Tidy and no we dont get paid for strikes Notonepenny
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8:50pm Wed 8 May 13

Fight_Back says...

Thatsjustyummy wrote:
F**k 'em.

Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial.

Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in.

Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.
It's a shame that you have children - we need people with understanding and empathy in this city but your children will probably inherit your rabid swearing and hate.

If you hate the city so much - MOVE ELSEWHERE !
[quote][p][bold]Thatsjustyummy[/bold] wrote: F**k 'em. Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial. Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.[/p][/quote]It's a shame that you have children - we need people with understanding and empathy in this city but your children will probably inherit your rabid swearing and hate. If you hate the city so much - MOVE ELSEWHERE ! Fight_Back
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8:51pm Wed 8 May 13

george smith says...

It is time we stopped discussing this, we need to find a collection bucket and did deep into our pockets. This is Greece on our doorstep, we need to look after our own.
It is time we stopped discussing this, we need to find a collection bucket and did deep into our pockets. This is Greece on our doorstep, we need to look after our own. george smith
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8:55pm Wed 8 May 13

Notonepenny says...

Notonepenny wrote:
Thatsjustyummy wrote:
F**k 'em.

Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial.

Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in.

Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.
Im not sure why im bothering but i will repeat:
Record numbers of residents say that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service.
89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000.
73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000.
Last year we got a four star award from Keep Britain Tidy and no we dont get paid for strikes
Oh and we get a blue flag award for the beach every year which means it is judged one of the cleanest beaches in the world , which is amazing considering that 8 million tourists sit on it every year
[quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatsjustyummy[/bold] wrote: F**k 'em. Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial. Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.[/p][/quote]Im not sure why im bothering but i will repeat: Record numbers of residents say that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. Last year we got a four star award from Keep Britain Tidy and no we dont get paid for strikes[/p][/quote]Oh and we get a blue flag award for the beach every year which means it is judged one of the cleanest beaches in the world , which is amazing considering that 8 million tourists sit on it every year Notonepenny
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11:31pm Wed 8 May 13

bumpy48 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Notonepenny wrote:
bumpy48 wrote:
Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.
Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.
Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime.

If I was them I would ask myself this question.
"If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?"

If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.
Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.
The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.
And they too are covered by the minimum wage legislation !
And your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Notonepenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Well thats a good job, only having to work 37 hours. I dont suppose they do any overtime.[/p][/quote]Contractual overtime is one of the things they are scrapping. All overtime being capped at time and a half when used to be Doubletime sundays.[/p][/quote]Ok, so their not actually cutting their salaries just the overtime. If I was them I would ask myself this question. "If my job was vacant and advertised could the authoritise find someone with the requisit skills to work for the new salary.?" If the answer is yes then this just reflects the paradigm shift that is taking place across all employment, public and private.[/p][/quote]Not sure you would get the same standard of work for that wage. Record numbers of residents ay that they are happy with their refuse , recycling & street cleaning service. 89 % are satisfied with refuse collection up from 46% in 2000. 73% think that street cleaning is good up from 46% in 2000. It cost £14 to get the cityclean in 2000 it now costs £7 million. We are excellent value for money.[/p][/quote]The sad fact is that Eastern Europeans are even better value for money and also do a good job.[/p][/quote]And they too are covered by the minimum wage legislation ![/p][/quote]And your point is? bumpy48
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12:39am Thu 9 May 13

yawnnn says...

Glad to see you all laughing in the taxpayer owned canteen!! Just remember,when you do decide to return to work,guess how much work will be waiting for you,now whos laughing? Cos iv just wet myself again!!!
Glad to see you all laughing in the taxpayer owned canteen!! Just remember,when you do decide to return to work,guess how much work will be waiting for you,now whos laughing? Cos iv just wet myself again!!! yawnnn
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3:03am Thu 9 May 13

blacktopsoldier says...

maggies paymasters must love this, devide and rule
maggies paymasters must love this, devide and rule blacktopsoldier
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6:58am Thu 9 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

yawnnn wrote:
Glad to see you all laughing in the taxpayer owned canteen!! Just remember,when you do decide to return to work,guess how much work will be waiting for you,now whos laughing? Cos iv just wet myself again!!!
When they do decide to return to work, they'll just take their time clearing up the refuse, just like they do after Christmas.

Expect the backlog of rubbish to take about a month to clear away
[quote][p][bold]yawnnn[/bold] wrote: Glad to see you all laughing in the taxpayer owned canteen!! Just remember,when you do decide to return to work,guess how much work will be waiting for you,now whos laughing? Cos iv just wet myself again!!![/p][/quote]When they do decide to return to work, they'll just take their time clearing up the refuse, just like they do after Christmas. Expect the backlog of rubbish to take about a month to clear away BornInBrighton1968
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7:02am Thu 9 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

bumpy48 wrote:
Who is Kit cat?
He's a bloody nuisance, that's who he is...
[quote][p][bold]bumpy48[/bold] wrote: Who is Kit cat?[/p][/quote]He's a bloody nuisance, that's who he is... BornInBrighton1968
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8:43am Thu 9 May 13

jimbo1981 says...

I love how reducing pay in the public sector is now being criticised by the usual right wing mob on here. Any excuse. Couple of things:

1. The Conservatives and the Greens supported this move. Both of them.

2. Without the facts it's very hard to judge, but it appears that these are allowances and overtime, not salaries. If someone is losing £4000 in overtime, it's very different to losing £4000 of their salary. If they are being paid time and a half or double pay for overtime, it makes economical sense to recruit more staff to cover this overtime at normal pay, rather than pay double pay to your current employees. So if part of this £4000 is overtime, then it would be useful to know how much. No-one has an entitlement to overtime when the country is trying to save money. Potentially more people can be recruited as a result, which can only be a good thing. If it's allowances, then it appears some sort of package is on offer to cover this (though it's disputed how much and how much of the £4000 is currently an allowance) and I would hope this goes some way to appeasing workers who do a very good job. Difficult decisions need to be made. I'd rather low paid workers didn't have their pay reduced, but this doesn't appear to be about reducing their salary, just monitoring allowances and overtime more closely
I love how reducing pay in the public sector is now being criticised by the usual right wing mob on here. Any excuse. Couple of things: 1. The Conservatives and the Greens supported this move. Both of them. 2. Without the facts it's very hard to judge, but it appears that these are allowances and overtime, not salaries. If someone is losing £4000 in overtime, it's very different to losing £4000 of their salary. If they are being paid time and a half or double pay for overtime, it makes economical sense to recruit more staff to cover this overtime at normal pay, rather than pay double pay to your current employees. So if part of this £4000 is overtime, then it would be useful to know how much. No-one has an entitlement to overtime when the country is trying to save money. Potentially more people can be recruited as a result, which can only be a good thing. If it's allowances, then it appears some sort of package is on offer to cover this (though it's disputed how much and how much of the £4000 is currently an allowance) and I would hope this goes some way to appeasing workers who do a very good job. Difficult decisions need to be made. I'd rather low paid workers didn't have their pay reduced, but this doesn't appear to be about reducing their salary, just monitoring allowances and overtime more closely jimbo1981
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12:18pm Thu 9 May 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
Would you care to tell us how much 'skill' you have accrued in such a short life?
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]Would you care to tell us how much 'skill' you have accrued in such a short life? Old Ladys Gin
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12:21pm Thu 9 May 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip.
May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps.
I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago.
He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen.
I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip. May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps. I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago. He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen. Old Ladys Gin
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1:20pm Thu 9 May 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip.
May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps.
I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago.
He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen.
Yes, it does work!

Earlier in the year, I contacted Sussex University and complained about students next door to me who were ignoring recycling protocol and dumping rubbish whenever and wherever they wanted.

I informed the university that if this continued I would collect all of the rubbish that the students had dumped, put it into my van, and would be dumping it outside the Vice-Chancellors office at the Sussex campus.

Funnily enough, never had any problems with students and rubbish bags after that...
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip. May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps. I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago. He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen.[/p][/quote]Yes, it does work! Earlier in the year, I contacted Sussex University and complained about students next door to me who were ignoring recycling protocol and dumping rubbish whenever and wherever they wanted. I informed the university that if this continued I would collect all of the rubbish that the students had dumped, put it into my van, and would be dumping it outside the Vice-Chancellors office at the Sussex campus. Funnily enough, never had any problems with students and rubbish bags after that... BornInBrighton1968
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8:33pm Thu 9 May 13

Brighton ruined says...

What a good idea, tomorrow I would like to dump my rubbish outside the town hall, but will I get prosecuted?
What a good idea, tomorrow I would like to dump my rubbish outside the town hall, but will I get prosecuted? Brighton ruined
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1:55am Fri 10 May 13

Max_Normal says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Old Ladys Gin wrote:
I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip.
May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps.
I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago.
He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen.
Yes, it does work!

Earlier in the year, I contacted Sussex University and complained about students next door to me who were ignoring recycling protocol and dumping rubbish whenever and wherever they wanted.

I informed the university that if this continued I would collect all of the rubbish that the students had dumped, put it into my van, and would be dumping it outside the Vice-Chancellors office at the Sussex campus.

Funnily enough, never had any problems with students and rubbish bags after that...
LOLOLOL! The vice chancellor ignores thousands of protesting students and illegally sacks tens of academics while putting almost all of his support staff out for private tender and you think he gives a flying crap what you think about your next door neighbours you flipping looney fantasist!

Ay assume that you needed it nace and tady cos 'er majesty was comin' to tea and biscuits that day?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: I read that people are being asked to take their rubbish to the tip. May I suggest you get to the root of the problem and tip your rubbish on the Town Hall steps. I think you will find it will have results. It certainly did for my father many years ago. He didn't blame the ordinary work but did blame the paid officials that had allowed the situation to happen.[/p][/quote]Yes, it does work! Earlier in the year, I contacted Sussex University and complained about students next door to me who were ignoring recycling protocol and dumping rubbish whenever and wherever they wanted. I informed the university that if this continued I would collect all of the rubbish that the students had dumped, put it into my van, and would be dumping it outside the Vice-Chancellors office at the Sussex campus. Funnily enough, never had any problems with students and rubbish bags after that...[/p][/quote]LOLOLOL! The vice chancellor ignores thousands of protesting students and illegally sacks tens of academics while putting almost all of his support staff out for private tender and you think he gives a flying crap what you think about your next door neighbours you flipping looney fantasist! Ay assume that you needed it nace and tady cos 'er majesty was comin' to tea and biscuits that day? Max_Normal
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2:02am Fri 10 May 13

Brighton Visitor says...

Lazy union shirkers.

Gormless management.

Seen it all before.
Lazy union shirkers. Gormless management. Seen it all before. Brighton Visitor
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9:58am Fri 10 May 13

Tink1076 says...

I can't say that I fully understand the polictics of this issue but what I can add is that thesemen and women do a fantastic job that no one notices till it stops being done, such a pay derease is terrible but what worries m most is that there are people out there that will do the job for less and in these times no one is indispensible. I hope that this doesn't end in a strike for the sake of the refuge collectors. The only polictical statement I feel I can make is that streets piled high with rubbish doesn't strike me as being very green.
I can't say that I fully understand the polictics of this issue but what I can add is that thesemen and women do a fantastic job that no one notices till it stops being done, such a pay derease is terrible but what worries m most is that there are people out there that will do the job for less and in these times no one is indispensible. I hope that this doesn't end in a strike for the sake of the refuge collectors. The only polictical statement I feel I can make is that streets piled high with rubbish doesn't strike me as being very green. Tink1076
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1:53pm Sun 12 May 13

PorkBoat says...

bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
bluesteal wrote:
Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job.

Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets.

No sympathy.

There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work.

Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.
So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ?

Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job !
You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs.

When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job.

Simple.

It's called "having a skill set"
Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job.

The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs.

I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one.

Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut !

Arrogant idiot !
Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input.

If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job.

It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills.

The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike.

Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right?

I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.
That's because you are a ****.
[quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluesteal[/bold] wrote: Don't like what you're paid? ... Get a new job. Can't get a new job? ... Maybe you should have paid attention in school so you wouldn't end up cleaning the streets. No sympathy. There's plenty of people to step into their shoes. Fire the trouble makers and replace with people who appreciate a job and are willing to work. Make an example out of these guys so people in future know the consequences of pointless strike action.[/p][/quote]So I'm guessing if your employer turned round and said they were reducing your salary by 20%+ then you'd happily say "ohhh yes please" ? Clearly you've never lost your job if you think it's easy to get a new job ![/p][/quote]You're right, I've never had a problem with jobs. When ever I wanted to get paid more, I asked. The one time I was refused, I went out and got a higher paid job. Simple. It's called "having a skill set"[/p][/quote]Well aren't you lucky. There's plenty of unemployed people out there with "skill sets" who can't get a job. The job market is awful at the moment with 100+ people applying for even highly skilled jobs. I guess we can all hope that you lose your job soon so you can see how hard it is to find another one. Nice swerve about what you'd do if faced with an enforced 20% salary cut ! Arrogant idiot ![/p][/quote]Wasn't a swerve it just doesn't apply to me. I'm an employer not a employee. My pay is dictated by my ideas and work input. If someone was to cut my salary, I'd say "thanks but no thanks" and find another job. It's not hard, anyone who thinks otherwise is lazy and/or unwilling to learn new skills. The last thing I'd contemplate doing would be having a tantrum and going on strike. Name call all you want, but who's the one running their own business and netting over £110k a year ;) Not bad for a 25yr old right? I have no sympathy for people who don't take action and change their life, who instead of sit around crying they're not paid enough or have a crappy job.[/p][/quote]That's because you are a ****. PorkBoat
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1:58pm Sun 12 May 13

PorkBoat says...

Thatsjustyummy wrote:
F**k 'em.

Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial.

Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in.

Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.
It's even better now that **** like you don't visit any more.
[quote][p][bold]Thatsjustyummy[/bold] wrote: F**k 'em. Any that went on strike should be sacked. The bloody GMB and the rest of those prehistoric morons should be f*** off out of any involvement of anything commercial. Though, as has been stated, it's hard to tell if the useless lazy a*ses are on strike or not. The whole town is a stinking dump. I now refuse to take my young kids to the town I grew up in. Which is a shame, because it used to be a great place.[/p][/quote]It's even better now that **** like you don't visit any more. PorkBoat
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