Brighton and Hove City Council workers vote to strike

The Argus: Brighton and Hove City Council workers vote to strike Brighton and Hove City Council workers vote to strike

Brighton and Hove refuse workers are set to walk out in a week-long strike over pay and conditions.

More than 95% of GMB members employed by Brighton and Hove City Council have voted in favour of taking industrial action in response to Green Party plans to reduce their take home pay.

GMB has formed a strike committee, which has decided that action will begin with a full week’s strike commencing on June 14.

Further dates of action will be announced in due course.

Mark Turner, branch secretary at the GMB in Hove, said: “We are not surprised at the result. We urge the council to come back not with words and fluffy lines but with proposals. There are other staff that want to join the action voted on today by CityClean staff and the council has to realise that workers are angry. We always regret this type of action but it is the result of dogmatic leadership at the council.”

Updates at www.theargus.co.uk

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1:13pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen !
Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen ! Fight_Back

1:20pm Fri 7 Jun 13

pwlr1966 says...

I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action.

A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!!


Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years
I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action. A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!! Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years pwlr1966

1:24pm Fri 7 Jun 13

grmski says...

Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org grmski

1:25pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It's inexcuable to cut salaries of key staff while spending money on the following: £6 million bike lanes, electric car charging points for those who can afford £20,000 electric cars (and former mayor Bill Randall driving his freebie eelctric car), free eco driving lessons, 20mph signs painted on roads.
And then the people who achieved the right to lead the city and its people, then decide among themselves that this issue is too dirty to get involved with so they vote not to get involved.
Disgraceful.
It's inexcuable to cut salaries of key staff while spending money on the following: £6 million bike lanes, electric car charging points for those who can afford £20,000 electric cars (and former mayor Bill Randall driving his freebie eelctric car), free eco driving lessons, 20mph signs painted on roads. And then the people who achieved the right to lead the city and its people, then decide among themselves that this issue is too dirty to get involved with so they vote not to get involved. Disgraceful. Maxwell's Ghost

1:31pm Fri 7 Jun 13

medianscore says...

grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
[quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap? medianscore

1:44pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

B&H won't notice any difference with these jobsworths downing their pens.
B&H won't notice any difference with these jobsworths downing their pens. cantstandsocialism

1:44pm Fri 7 Jun 13

pwlr1966 says...

WHERE HAS MY ORIGINAL COMMENT GONE ARGUS????

I have just invoiced the council for trips to the tip as I have not had a waste collection for five weeks, a total of £38.32 for time and petrol. It will be interesting if they pay out!!!

Good luck with the strike, you don't deserve a pay cut. No pay rise for 3 years, that in real terms is a pay cut
WHERE HAS MY ORIGINAL COMMENT GONE ARGUS???? I have just invoiced the council for trips to the tip as I have not had a waste collection for five weeks, a total of £38.32 for time and petrol. It will be interesting if they pay out!!! Good luck with the strike, you don't deserve a pay cut. No pay rise for 3 years, that in real terms is a pay cut pwlr1966

1:45pm Fri 7 Jun 13

pwlr1966 says...

AHHH it's back!!!
AHHH it's back!!! pwlr1966

1:50pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
It's inexcuable to cut salaries of key staff while spending money on the following: £6 million bike lanes, electric car charging points for those who can afford £20,000 electric cars (and former mayor Bill Randall driving his freebie eelctric car), free eco driving lessons, 20mph signs painted on roads.
And then the people who achieved the right to lead the city and its people, then decide among themselves that this issue is too dirty to get involved with so they vote not to get involved.
Disgraceful.
B&H has become a hub of London, full of champagne socialists.

Let's be frank, emptying a bin requires no skill at all so if you want more pay then go to night school and become pen pusher in the NHS or a 'consultant' in city hall with the rest of the bloated public servants.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: It's inexcuable to cut salaries of key staff while spending money on the following: £6 million bike lanes, electric car charging points for those who can afford £20,000 electric cars (and former mayor Bill Randall driving his freebie eelctric car), free eco driving lessons, 20mph signs painted on roads. And then the people who achieved the right to lead the city and its people, then decide among themselves that this issue is too dirty to get involved with so they vote not to get involved. Disgraceful.[/p][/quote]B&H has become a hub of London, full of champagne socialists. Let's be frank, emptying a bin requires no skill at all so if you want more pay then go to night school and become pen pusher in the NHS or a 'consultant' in city hall with the rest of the bloated public servants. cantstandsocialism

1:55pm Fri 7 Jun 13

WhatsNotToLike says...

Fight_Back wrote:
Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen !
It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?)
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen ![/p][/quote]It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?) WhatsNotToLike

1:59pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

WhatsNotToLike wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen !
It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?)
Hadn't thought of that - the city will look like a third world dump after the bike ride if the street cleaners are out on strike.
[quote][p][bold]WhatsNotToLike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen ![/p][/quote]It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?)[/p][/quote]Hadn't thought of that - the city will look like a third world dump after the bike ride if the street cleaners are out on strike. Fight_Back

2:07pm Fri 7 Jun 13

juleshove says...

Not sure why people are rushing to support the bin men ! We dont know the full facts.

Lets be realistic council workers by their very mentality are prone to striking at every opportunity.

Agree though that all the money spent on cycle lanes is a disgrace..typical greens.



ng
Not sure why people are rushing to support the bin men ! We dont know the full facts. Lets be realistic council workers by their very mentality are prone to striking at every opportunity. Agree though that all the money spent on cycle lanes is a disgrace..typical greens. ng juleshove

2:10pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

The final days of the incompetent, spiteful, politically-correct Green council...
The final days of the incompetent, spiteful, politically-correct Green council... BornInBrighton1968

2:12pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Kitkat and the council bosses are accountable for causing this mess. You cannot expect people to continue working with less pay. Yet fat cat middle management are the cause of these utter catastrophes.
Kitkat and the council bosses are accountable for causing this mess. You cannot expect people to continue working with less pay. Yet fat cat middle management are the cause of these utter catastrophes. Hoarder12345444

2:20pm Fri 7 Jun 13

aat99 says...

Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green aat99

2:24pm Fri 7 Jun 13

mustaphaLeeko says...

Ah yes, striking really does make a difference, NOT.

All it achieves is p*sses off residents and makes the council dig in it's heels!

Discussion is the only solution, perhaps the numpty Greens can get off their high horse and phase in the changes over a few years rather than all at once... No, that would be too sensible.
Ah yes, striking really does make a difference, NOT. All it achieves is p*sses off residents and makes the council dig in it's heels! Discussion is the only solution, perhaps the numpty Greens can get off their high horse and phase in the changes over a few years rather than all at once... No, that would be too sensible. mustaphaLeeko

2:31pm Fri 7 Jun 13

johnashdown says...

Well it's about time Kitkat hired a van and took the rubbish to the tip himself, as yet I've not seen anyone lugging bin bags on a bus to take to the tip as per his suggestion we should take our own to the tip. . it's not all of us that runs or indeed owns a car . he would probably expect the bike riders he is so obsessed with to sling a bin bag over their shoulder and pedal to the tip.To be fair this guy couldn't run a bath let alone a council.
Well it's about time Kitkat hired a van and took the rubbish to the tip himself, as yet I've not seen anyone lugging bin bags on a bus to take to the tip as per his suggestion we should take our own to the tip. . it's not all of us that runs or indeed owns a car . he would probably expect the bike riders he is so obsessed with to sling a bin bag over their shoulder and pedal to the tip.To be fair this guy couldn't run a bath let alone a council. johnashdown

2:35pm Fri 7 Jun 13

billy goat-gruff says...

I'd love to see the Argus Moaners organise themselves into a scab workforce collecting bin bags in their oversized 4x4s on their way to the school run… Altruism at work!
I'd love to see the Argus Moaners organise themselves into a scab workforce collecting bin bags in their oversized 4x4s on their way to the school run… Altruism at work! billy goat-gruff

2:35pm Fri 7 Jun 13

MegA69 says...

Remember to report rats whenever you see them - there will be lots about. Having the streets full of rubbish for a few days might be a good thing if it helps rid us of the incompetent Green council. Money wasters, no sense of looking after business in this town, not pro-growth, not pro-development...li
ke going back to the 19th Century.
Remember to report rats whenever you see them - there will be lots about. Having the streets full of rubbish for a few days might be a good thing if it helps rid us of the incompetent Green council. Money wasters, no sense of looking after business in this town, not pro-growth, not pro-development...li ke going back to the 19th Century. MegA69

2:36pm Fri 7 Jun 13

leftysmellbags says...

Our rubbish has not been collected for 2 weeks so it will be no different now that they are going on strike. - SACK THE LOT OF THEM AND LET THEM REAPPLY FOR THEIR JOBS.
Our rubbish has not been collected for 2 weeks so it will be no different now that they are going on strike. - SACK THE LOT OF THEM AND LET THEM REAPPLY FOR THEIR JOBS. leftysmellbags

2:48pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

aat99 wrote:
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics.

Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.
[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is. Fight_Back

2:51pm Fri 7 Jun 13

NickBtn says...

Whether you agree with the dispute or not you have to say that the bin men have been very clever so far. They went on strike for two days (so presumably lost two days pay) yet the action has affected people for over a month. No-one could really miss the effect of their action and become aware of the issue

The bin men seem to be using very effective tactics. The council is not. There was slow communication from the officers and the green councillors are trying to avoid their responsibilities (with open argument among the green party on what to do)

Unfortunately we residents are caught in the middle. Lots of piles of rubbish before the council backs down I suspect.....
Whether you agree with the dispute or not you have to say that the bin men have been very clever so far. They went on strike for two days (so presumably lost two days pay) yet the action has affected people for over a month. No-one could really miss the effect of their action and become aware of the issue The bin men seem to be using very effective tactics. The council is not. There was slow communication from the officers and the green councillors are trying to avoid their responsibilities (with open argument among the green party on what to do) Unfortunately we residents are caught in the middle. Lots of piles of rubbish before the council backs down I suspect..... NickBtn

3:01pm Fri 7 Jun 13

bigfinker says...

Fight_Back wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics.

Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.
I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date.

No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year.

However, the problem is due to a thing called single status.

This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham.

Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it.

To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want.

It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.[/p][/quote]I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date. No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year. However, the problem is due to a thing called single status. This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham. Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it. To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want. It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted. bigfinker

3:02pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Andy R says...

medianscore wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?[/p][/quote]When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"? Andy R

3:02pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

A friend of mine in the council has just texted me to inform that the Greens are in a state of sheer, blind panic.

Greens holding emergency crisis meetings this afternoon; apparently Kitcat looks like he has aged at least 10 years!
A friend of mine in the council has just texted me to inform that the Greens are in a state of sheer, blind panic. Greens holding emergency crisis meetings this afternoon; apparently Kitcat looks like he has aged at least 10 years! BornInBrighton1968

3:09pm Fri 7 Jun 13

thommy says...

Fight_Back wrote:
WhatsNotToLike wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen !
It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?)
Hadn't thought of that - the city will look like a third world dump after the bike ride if the street cleaners are out on strike.
I hate to say it but the place already looks like a third world dump. Walking down Western Road yesterday - filthy pavements encrusted with food remnants, litter and chewing gum. The dirty animals who spit chewing gum onto the floor should be fined. The sad thing about this is things will not get any better when the green idiots are finally turfed out of power, the simple locals will only go and vote for the other socialist species, the labour party again.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WhatsNotToLike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: Going to get interesting now. Kitcat hasn't even managed to keep the standard service running after a two day strike. Hopefully we're seeing the beginning of the end of this idiot. Go the binmen ![/p][/quote]It is indeed going to be interesting. The London to Brighton bike ride is on the Sunday! with thousands of people in the City. They should put extra staff on at the refuse tips to accommodate the influx of residents visiting to get rid of their own rubbish etc (Or do the refuse tip staff go on strike too?)[/p][/quote]Hadn't thought of that - the city will look like a third world dump after the bike ride if the street cleaners are out on strike.[/p][/quote]I hate to say it but the place already looks like a third world dump. Walking down Western Road yesterday - filthy pavements encrusted with food remnants, litter and chewing gum. The dirty animals who spit chewing gum onto the floor should be fined. The sad thing about this is things will not get any better when the green idiots are finally turfed out of power, the simple locals will only go and vote for the other socialist species, the labour party again. thommy

3:15pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

bigfinker wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics.

Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.
I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date.

No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year.

However, the problem is due to a thing called single status.

This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham.

Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it.

To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want.

It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.
I think that's a good summary bigfinker. I do feel a bit sorry for the Greens with this.

As you say Labour and the Tories swept the issue under the carpet when they were in power and the Greens have had to pick up the pieces.

Also the Greens have made it clear that they are very keen on equality and although it's a shame that anyone has to lose out, in order to ensure equality without taking a big financial hit (which the City can't afford) there were bound to be losers.

The problem for the Greens is that the losers are the binmen and they provide a high profile service that impacts everyone in the City.
[quote][p][bold]bigfinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.[/p][/quote]I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date. No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year. However, the problem is due to a thing called single status. This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham. Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it. To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want. It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.[/p][/quote]I think that's a good summary bigfinker. I do feel a bit sorry for the Greens with this. As you say Labour and the Tories swept the issue under the carpet when they were in power and the Greens have had to pick up the pieces. Also the Greens have made it clear that they are very keen on equality and although it's a shame that anyone has to lose out, in order to ensure equality without taking a big financial hit (which the City can't afford) there were bound to be losers. The problem for the Greens is that the losers are the binmen and they provide a high profile service that impacts everyone in the City. Charismatic Andrew

3:15pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
A friend of mine in the council has just texted me to inform that the Greens are in a state of sheer, blind panic.

Greens holding emergency crisis meetings this afternoon; apparently Kitcat looks like he has aged at least 10 years!
My heart bleeds for the incompentent idiot Kitkat.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: A friend of mine in the council has just texted me to inform that the Greens are in a state of sheer, blind panic. Greens holding emergency crisis meetings this afternoon; apparently Kitcat looks like he has aged at least 10 years![/p][/quote]My heart bleeds for the incompentent idiot Kitkat. Hoarder12345444

3:15pm Fri 7 Jun 13

thommy says...

Andy R wrote:
medianscore wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?
e-mails in work time?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?[/p][/quote]When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?[/p][/quote]e-mails in work time? thommy

3:18pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

I not so sure about reading on the council website that their is no current risk to public health, have they taken swaps sample from bins to check bacteria levels and fungi spores which can speed out into the surrounding environment causing lung problems.
I not so sure about reading on the council website that their is no current risk to public health, have they taken swaps sample from bins to check bacteria levels and fungi spores which can speed out into the surrounding environment causing lung problems. Mrs Newcastle

3:22pm Fri 7 Jun 13

onlyme says...

well what a surprise - the minority holding the majority to ransom
well what a surprise - the minority holding the majority to ransom onlyme

3:23pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors.
They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish.
Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors. They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish. Maxwell's Ghost

3:24pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

Charismatic Andrew wrote:
bigfinker wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
aat99 wrote:
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics.

Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.
I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date.

No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year.

However, the problem is due to a thing called single status.

This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham.

Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it.

To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want.

It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.
I think that's a good summary bigfinker. I do feel a bit sorry for the Greens with this.

As you say Labour and the Tories swept the issue under the carpet when they were in power and the Greens have had to pick up the pieces.

Also the Greens have made it clear that they are very keen on equality and although it's a shame that anyone has to lose out, in order to ensure equality without taking a big financial hit (which the City can't afford) there were bound to be losers.

The problem for the Greens is that the losers are the binmen and they provide a high profile service that impacts everyone in the City.
While the problem is not necessarily of the Greens making the current standoff was entirely predictable and avoidable.

As for equality - only a moron would have setup a system that suggests a teaching assistant should have equal pay with a bin man. It should've been equality between male teaching assistants and female teaching assistants. Only in our public sector !
[quote][p][bold]Charismatic Andrew[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.[/p][/quote]I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date. No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year. However, the problem is due to a thing called single status. This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham. Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it. To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want. It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.[/p][/quote]I think that's a good summary bigfinker. I do feel a bit sorry for the Greens with this. As you say Labour and the Tories swept the issue under the carpet when they were in power and the Greens have had to pick up the pieces. Also the Greens have made it clear that they are very keen on equality and although it's a shame that anyone has to lose out, in order to ensure equality without taking a big financial hit (which the City can't afford) there were bound to be losers. The problem for the Greens is that the losers are the binmen and they provide a high profile service that impacts everyone in the City.[/p][/quote]While the problem is not necessarily of the Greens making the current standoff was entirely predictable and avoidable. As for equality - only a moron would have setup a system that suggests a teaching assistant should have equal pay with a bin man. It should've been equality between male teaching assistants and female teaching assistants. Only in our public sector ! Fight_Back

3:28pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

bigfinker wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
aat99 wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green
Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.
I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date. No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year. However, the problem is due to a thing called single status. This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham. Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it. To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want. It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.
Some fair points here (how were they allowed on this blog.) Single status sorting when ot was going to get difficult was bottled by both Labour and Tories leaving the Greens having to try and deal with it. And I am no green either. Mind you things could be marginally worse if Phelim the T*** had managed to win his coup and been in charge!!
[quote][p][bold]bigfinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]Part of the problem is that someone came up with the bright idea that you could lump different workers into the same pay bracket. So apparently teaching assistants and bin men are equal ???? Typical public sector politics. Anyway, this dispute is about how the Greens are cutting some workers pay / benefits DESPITE them being contractual and DESPITE Kitcat saying a number of times that this was nothing to do with cost cutting. If that were the case why not just ensure no worker loses money ? Then we'd all be getting our bins emptied and Kitcat wouldn't be being shown up as the liar that he is.[/p][/quote]I believe Jason Kitkat and the GMB should be continually negotiating to find a solution and Kitkat and the council has handled the situation very badly to date. No low paid worker should be taking a pay cut between £1000 and £4000 per year. However, the problem is due to a thing called single status. This is a thing ALL councils have had to do to ensure women are paid equal to men. Councils throughout the country have had to go through this procedure. Not to do so, would bring massive lawsuits and bankrupt the council, like Birmingham. Brighton is one of the last because previous Brighton councils under Labour and then the Tories bottled out of it. To ensure no worker lost out would cost an extra £35 million. Which would mean an increase in council tax, something Labour and the Tories voted against and probably most residents don't want. It's a complex issue but one that has to be sorted.[/p][/quote]Some fair points here (how were they allowed on this blog.) Single status sorting when ot was going to get difficult was bottled by both Labour and Tories leaving the Greens having to try and deal with it. And I am no green either. Mind you things could be marginally worse if Phelim the T*** had managed to win his coup and been in charge!! Rearrangethedeckchairs

3:29pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins. Mrs Newcastle

3:35pm Fri 7 Jun 13

roystony says...

Have a vote, get the greens out



http://thelatest.co.
uk/brighton/2012/11/
06/the-vote-who-woul
d-you-vote-for-today
/
Have a vote, get the greens out http://thelatest.co. uk/brighton/2012/11/ 06/the-vote-who-woul d-you-vote-for-today / roystony

3:35pm Fri 7 Jun 13

PorkBoat says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century? PorkBoat

3:43pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

Andy R wrote:
medianscore wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?
Andy Pandy, one thing's for sure, the days of the red flag blighting a once fine twin town (but now a run down city) are coming to an end.

Go back to your Cowley Club and continue your fantasy discussions on creating a Communist Britain.

IT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN!
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?[/p][/quote]When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?[/p][/quote]Andy Pandy, one thing's for sure, the days of the red flag blighting a once fine twin town (but now a run down city) are coming to an end. Go back to your Cowley Club and continue your fantasy discussions on creating a Communist Britain. IT WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN! cantstandsocialism

3:43pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

PorkBoat wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?
I think Mrs Robinson has a good point.

Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags.

Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?[/p][/quote]I think Mrs Robinson has a good point. Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags. Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power BornInBrighton1968

3:47pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

My bin and rubbish is in the sun so gets very hot and smelly which compounds the problem with flies and maggots. I think the council at least should be given out extra black sacks so residents can double wrap their rubbish.
My bin and rubbish is in the sun so gets very hot and smelly which compounds the problem with flies and maggots. I think the council at least should be given out extra black sacks so residents can double wrap their rubbish. Mrs Newcastle

3:49pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
You may find that hazard in Bombay India (Mumbai is a dreadful name) but B&H?

Perhaps you've been working in the NHS for too long.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]You may find that hazard in Bombay India (Mumbai is a dreadful name) but B&H? Perhaps you've been working in the NHS for too long. cantstandsocialism

3:56pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?
I think Mrs Robinson has a good point.

Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags.

Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power
And who are you going to vote for, the same clowns of the past 30 years?

Vote LibLabCON and you get the same rubbish that you see on the streets of B&H.

Now UKIP is a breath of fresh air!
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?[/p][/quote]I think Mrs Robinson has a good point. Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags. Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power[/p][/quote]And who are you going to vote for, the same clowns of the past 30 years? Vote LibLabCON and you get the same rubbish that you see on the streets of B&H. Now UKIP is a breath of fresh air! cantstandsocialism

4:01pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

cantstandsocialism wrote:
BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote:
Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?
I think Mrs Robinson has a good point.

Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags.

Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power
And who are you going to vote for, the same clowns of the past 30 years?

Vote LibLabCON and you get the same rubbish that you see on the streets of B&H.

Now UKIP is a breath of fresh air!
No, after 30 years of voting for Labour, I will now be voting for UKIP
[quote][p][bold]cantstandsocialism[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?[/p][/quote]I think Mrs Robinson has a good point. Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags. Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power[/p][/quote]And who are you going to vote for, the same clowns of the past 30 years? Vote LibLabCON and you get the same rubbish that you see on the streets of B&H. Now UKIP is a breath of fresh air![/p][/quote]No, after 30 years of voting for Labour, I will now be voting for UKIP BornInBrighton1968

4:04pm Fri 7 Jun 13

the_grail says...

Andy R wrote:
medianscore wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?
With the greens being effectively the local left-wing Marxist party that purports to worry about the environment (and fails) what does Left Unity have to offer?

Are you a political party? What is your affiliation to the UAF? What is your policy on intimidating people who want to listen to non-left wing parties?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?[/p][/quote]When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?[/p][/quote]With the greens being effectively the local left-wing Marxist party that purports to worry about the environment (and fails) what does Left Unity have to offer? Are you a political party? What is your affiliation to the UAF? What is your policy on intimidating people who want to listen to non-left wing parties? the_grail

4:12pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Crystal Ball says...

Now is the summer of Brighton's discontent.
Now is the summer of Brighton's discontent. Crystal Ball

4:15pm Fri 7 Jun 13

wexler53 says...

I've worked on the bins and have nothing but respect for those guys. Anyone wanting to learn about team work for instance would do well to work with them for a week.

If KitKat did, he might have a different view.

The problem is that they view workers as being cyclists wandering into town with nothing more than a laptop in their bags.

Sadly, the real world of work - which none of these people know anything about, being activists and the like, is quite different for the vast majority of us.

So I'm on the side of the bin men and ladies. No one on their level of pay deserves a cut.

Maybe as has been suggested, an adjustment over 3 to 5 years to reorganise the pay scales.

But common sense is too complicated for these people who live in a parallel world.

They obviously don't work in ours.
I've worked on the bins and have nothing but respect for those guys. Anyone wanting to learn about team work for instance would do well to work with them for a week. If KitKat did, he might have a different view. The problem is that they view workers as being cyclists wandering into town with nothing more than a laptop in their bags. Sadly, the real world of work - which none of these people know anything about, being activists and the like, is quite different for the vast majority of us. So I'm on the side of the bin men and ladies. No one on their level of pay deserves a cut. Maybe as has been suggested, an adjustment over 3 to 5 years to reorganise the pay scales. But common sense is too complicated for these people who live in a parallel world. They obviously don't work in ours. wexler53

4:17pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Morpheus says...

I doubt we will notice that they are strike.
I doubt we will notice that they are strike. Morpheus

4:27pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Ashles says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Mrs Newcastle wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.
And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?
I think Mrs Robinson has a good point. Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags. Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power
I think you'll find third world slums might be just a tad worse than Brighton.

Also, why do you think the airborne germs will all flock to your sticky paste and not simply go up your nose or in your mouth as you breathe?
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: Please take extra care not to go out walking down the streets and breathing in the air. I would be very worried if your a person with a compromised immune system, breathing in the air which will be filled with increased bacteria from the uncollected rubbish bins.[/p][/quote]And carry an orange studded with cloves. Did you just arrive from the 16th Century?[/p][/quote]I think Mrs Robinson has a good point. Whenever I walk around the third-world slum that is now Brighton, I put a little spot of sticky-paste underneath my nostrils, just to keep out any unsanitary germs that might be lurking round the mountains of uncollected rubbish bags. Uncollected rubbish; its a dirty word, and a dirty thing, but if the residents of Brighton stand as one we can soon remove the snot Greens from power[/p][/quote]I think you'll find third world slums might be just a tad worse than Brighton. Also, why do you think the airborne germs will all flock to your sticky paste and not simply go up your nose or in your mouth as you breathe? Ashles

4:28pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS

If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water.
Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats.
If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards.
Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.
AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water. Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats. If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards. Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water. Mrs Newcastle

4:41pm Fri 7 Jun 13

garymartin675@yahoo.com says...

Cardon Hill, go up there, a rarely seen green rat running about. Jason we have all seen what you can do. GO
Cardon Hill, go up there, a rarely seen green rat running about. Jason we have all seen what you can do. GO garymartin675@yahoo.com

4:42pm Fri 7 Jun 13

city-boy says...

pwlr1966 wrote:
I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action.

A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!!


Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years
COULD YOU PLEASE KEEP US IMFORMED HOW YOU GET ON WITH THIS?

I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing and pushing it all the way through the small claims.......

Cannot any reason why we cannot be paid.

Good luck to them btw, I support it!!
[quote][p][bold]pwlr1966[/bold] wrote: I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action. A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!! Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years[/p][/quote]COULD YOU PLEASE KEEP US IMFORMED HOW YOU GET ON WITH THIS? I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing and pushing it all the way through the small claims....... Cannot any reason why we cannot be paid. Good luck to them btw, I support it!! city-boy

4:53pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Andy R says...

Andy R wrote:
medianscore wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?
When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?
Err...this isn't an "email". Leave it with me and I'll see if I can source you some cheap, easy-to-follow, IT tuition......
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]People in B&H are trying to get rid of the cancer of pro Marxist organisations so why would they want to join that dung heap?[/p][/quote]When does a crank like you get to speak for "the people of B&H"?[/p][/quote]Err...this isn't an "email". Leave it with me and I'll see if I can source you some cheap, easy-to-follow, IT tuition...... Andy R

5:16pm Fri 7 Jun 13

roystony says...

http://thelatest.co.
uk/brighton/2012/11/
06/the-vote-who-woul
d-you-vote-for-today
/
http://thelatest.co. uk/brighton/2012/11/ 06/the-vote-who-woul d-you-vote-for-today / roystony

5:38pm Fri 7 Jun 13

HJarrs says...

I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me.

According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors.

What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap.

Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution.

This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper. HJarrs

5:41pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Andy R says...

cantstandsocialism wrote:
B&H won't notice any difference with these jobsworths downing their pens.
Huh???

What an interesting notion of how bins get emptied you seem to have.....
[quote][p][bold]cantstandsocialism[/bold] wrote: B&H won't notice any difference with these jobsworths downing their pens.[/p][/quote]Huh??? What an interesting notion of how bins get emptied you seem to have..... Andy R

5:59pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BURIRAM says...

Bring in a private company to do the bins who would be willing to work a full day everyday
Bring in a private company to do the bins who would be willing to work a full day everyday BURIRAM

6:34pm Fri 7 Jun 13

heartthrob says...

if everyone washes their rubbish and keeps it in for a week or two then no problem
if everyone washes their rubbish and keeps it in for a week or two then no problem heartthrob

6:38pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Withdean-er says...

Our rubbish bins haven't been collected for the last 11 days (Withdean area), despite the last strike being many weeks ago, and the last bank holiday effect now worked through.

Does anyone know if there has been industrial action this week already?
Our rubbish bins haven't been collected for the last 11 days (Withdean area), despite the last strike being many weeks ago, and the last bank holiday effect now worked through. Does anyone know if there has been industrial action this week already? Withdean-er

7:03pm Fri 7 Jun 13

evon says...

Absolutely disgusting the managers should get off there arse and do the rounds how can they let our city get into this state. I'm one that will be deducting my runs to the the tip from my council tax. GREENS out of Brighton thanks to the students who got them in and they don't even come from our town. Students shouldn't be allowed to vote they don't pay the bloody council tax.
Absolutely disgusting the managers should get off there arse and do the rounds how can they let our city get into this state. I'm one that will be deducting my runs to the the tip from my council tax. GREENS out of Brighton thanks to the students who got them in and they don't even come from our town. Students shouldn't be allowed to vote they don't pay the bloody council tax. evon

7:17pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
I am surprised that you are not out on the streets sorting the symptoms of your mess out. However on reflection maybe I shouldn't be as the green model is an ideological pile of cack that seems to be run by morons who are so far removed from reality due to their privileged upbringings that they can't understand what happens in the real world.

Jarrs. You make Gaz scott seem bright!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]I am surprised that you are not out on the streets sorting the symptoms of your mess out. However on reflection maybe I shouldn't be as the green model is an ideological pile of cack that seems to be run by morons who are so far removed from reality due to their privileged upbringings that they can't understand what happens in the real world. Jarrs. You make Gaz scott seem bright! Somethingsarejustwrong

7:34pm Fri 7 Jun 13

the_grail says...

HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me.

According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors.

What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap.

Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution.

This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Hugh,

You're missing an important point. The greens are the largest single party and have appointed a council leader.

They decided they wanted to run as a minority party on their own, rather than going into coalition with any other party.

As such the greens have to take responsibility for decisions made by the council.

The greens cannot, after the event, claim it is nothing to do with them because either it was caused by a previous administration (esp. after being in charge for 3 years), or because decisions were supported by parties.

The greens decided they wanted to give everyone ion the council a living wage. The greens decided they wanted to protect tenants from the "bedroom tax". The greens decided to implement a blanket 20 mph zone rather than just in key areas. It was the greens that wanted to introduce more bus and cycle lanes.

A party of responsibility can be willing to admit they have made mistakes and make u-turns. A weak party carries on with bad decisions because they do not want to admit they could be wrong - or just for publicity to show how wonderful they are, even though the majority of the city's residents think otherwise..

The leader of a council is a leader and has to take responsibility for the actions of the council. He is the figurehead - he does not hide in an office issuing tweets all day and refusing to talk to anyone except his loyal cronies. Think what Britain would be like if the Prime Minister acted like Jason Kitcat?

The council has to work within the bounds of British law - they are not a law unto themselves. They could have increased rates by more than 2% but they would then have had to put it to a referendum. The green council, I assume, was not willing to put this to the ratepayers as they would then lose.

You are right - this is a mess - and the greens are responsible for it, If they had any back-bone, they would now take charge of the situation and resolve it.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Hugh, You're missing an important point. The greens are the largest single party and have appointed a council leader. They decided they wanted to run as a minority party on their own, rather than going into coalition with any other party. As such the greens have to take responsibility for decisions made by the council. The greens cannot, after the event, claim it is nothing to do with them because either it was caused by a previous administration (esp. after being in charge for 3 years), or because decisions were supported by parties. The greens decided they wanted to give everyone ion the council a living wage. The greens decided they wanted to protect tenants from the "bedroom tax". The greens decided to implement a blanket 20 mph zone rather than just in key areas. It was the greens that wanted to introduce more bus and cycle lanes. A party of responsibility can be willing to admit they have made mistakes and make u-turns. A weak party carries on with bad decisions because they do not want to admit they could be wrong - or just for publicity to show how wonderful they are, even though the majority of the city's residents think otherwise.. The leader of a council is a leader and has to take responsibility for the actions of the council. He is the figurehead - he does not hide in an office issuing tweets all day and refusing to talk to anyone except his loyal cronies. Think what Britain would be like if the Prime Minister acted like Jason Kitcat? The council has to work within the bounds of British law - they are not a law unto themselves. They could have increased rates by more than 2% but they would then have had to put it to a referendum. The green council, I assume, was not willing to put this to the ratepayers as they would then lose. You are right - this is a mess - and the greens are responsible for it, If they had any back-bone, they would now take charge of the situation and resolve it. the_grail

7:54pm Fri 7 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS

If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water.
Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats.
If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards.
Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.
AKA The Cowley Club.
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water. Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats. If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards. Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.[/p][/quote]AKA The Cowley Club. cantstandsocialism

8:05pm Fri 7 Jun 13

HJarrs says...

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose.

There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts.

This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon
Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose. There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts. This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon HJarrs

8:09pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent?

The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning.

The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid.

And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation).

The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have.

I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.
What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent? The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning. The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid. And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation). The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have. I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth. Valerie Paynter

8:17pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose.

There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts.

This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon
Of course...this is a problem caused by others! Give me strength!!!!!!!!

Jarrs. It's time to own up and do something, until you do you are just a waste of space commentator, proving stories that at face value lack integrity and purpose

And with scrutiny can be confirmed as nonsense propaganda
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose. There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts. This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon[/p][/quote]Of course...this is a problem caused by others! Give me strength!!!!!!!! Jarrs. It's time to own up and do something, until you do you are just a waste of space commentator, proving stories that at face value lack integrity and purpose And with scrutiny can be confirmed as nonsense propaganda Somethingsarejustwrong

8:47pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Sussex jim says...

go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public. Sussex jim

9:00pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
Blimey. Sounds great. You get what you want and what you are happy to pay for!
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]Blimey. Sounds great. You get what you want and what you are happy to pay for! Somethingsarejustwrong

9:05pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Democracy is something sacred and those seeking election should respect the priviledge of being elected.
The Greens have failed to do this as they haven't listened to a word anyone says.
They treat the public with utter contempt and when their ideology collides with reality, they vote not to deal with tricky issues and point the finger at other parties.
You got elected, you sought election so now stand up and deal with the issue. You are in the driving seat Hjarrs and your Green colleagues.
You can't pick and choose what issues you deal with.
If the Greens don't want to lead, then call an election.
The party is now finished anyway so perhaps it's time to move on as you clearly now don't want to.
Democracy is something sacred and those seeking election should respect the priviledge of being elected. The Greens have failed to do this as they haven't listened to a word anyone says. They treat the public with utter contempt and when their ideology collides with reality, they vote not to deal with tricky issues and point the finger at other parties. You got elected, you sought election so now stand up and deal with the issue. You are in the driving seat Hjarrs and your Green colleagues. You can't pick and choose what issues you deal with. If the Greens don't want to lead, then call an election. The party is now finished anyway so perhaps it's time to move on as you clearly now don't want to. Maxwell's Ghost

9:16pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent?

The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning.

The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid.

And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation).

The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have.

I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.
Exactly right Valerie. Most sensible thing you've ever said. I also don't know the big picture.... what the true facts are.

Until this is all made clear it's hard to know whether to have any sympathy with the binmen or not.

It may well be for example that they've been overpaid for years. In which case they should count themselves lucky that they've got away with it for this long.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent? The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning. The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid. And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation). The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have. I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.[/p][/quote]Exactly right Valerie. Most sensible thing you've ever said. I also don't know the big picture.... what the true facts are. Until this is all made clear it's hard to know whether to have any sympathy with the binmen or not. It may well be for example that they've been overpaid for years. In which case they should count themselves lucky that they've got away with it for this long. Charismatic Andrew

9:24pm Fri 7 Jun 13

fredaj says...

grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action.
If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
Surely, if you are that left wing, the greens are the party of choice.
[quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]Surely, if you are that left wing, the greens are the party of choice. fredaj

9:26pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Dealing with idiots says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors. They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish.
You are not alone but mine is for 5k. I for one will be billing a certain councillor personally with a warning that if he does not pay I will have the bailifs to his house in..............oo that would be telling.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors. They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish.[/p][/quote]You are not alone but mine is for 5k. I for one will be billing a certain councillor personally with a warning that if he does not pay I will have the bailifs to his house in..............oo that would be telling. Dealing with idiots

9:32pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer Dealing with idiots

9:36pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
Paul who and where does she live?
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer[/p][/quote]Paul who and where does she live? Somethingsarejustwrong

9:53pm Fri 7 Jun 13

deanaprior says...

I don't know the facts about pay and the Greens seem naive but if the Tories get in then it'll privatisation and a world of 3 month renewable contracts , no sick or holiday pay and profits going to shareholders. If you google then Labour councils seem to want to privatise refuse services as well.
I don't know the facts about pay and the Greens seem naive but if the Tories get in then it'll privatisation and a world of 3 month renewable contracts , no sick or holiday pay and profits going to shareholders. If you google then Labour councils seem to want to privatise refuse services as well. deanaprior

9:55pm Fri 7 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
Alex Philips; the Green councillor who attempted to desert her Goldsmid constituents for three months to do part of her teacher-training in Africa.

She claimed that going to Africa was vital for her personal and spiritual growth...
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer[/p][/quote]Alex Philips; the Green councillor who attempted to desert her Goldsmid constituents for three months to do part of her teacher-training in Africa. She claimed that going to Africa was vital for her personal and spiritual growth... BornInBrighton1968

10:06pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

deanaprior wrote:
I don't know the facts about pay and the Greens seem naive but if the Tories get in then it'll privatisation and a world of 3 month renewable contracts , no sick or holiday pay and profits going to shareholders. If you google then Labour councils seem to want to privatise refuse services as well.
You appear to be slightly simple...is that true?
[quote][p][bold]deanaprior[/bold] wrote: I don't know the facts about pay and the Greens seem naive but if the Tories get in then it'll privatisation and a world of 3 month renewable contracts , no sick or holiday pay and profits going to shareholders. If you google then Labour councils seem to want to privatise refuse services as well.[/p][/quote]You appear to be slightly simple...is that true? Somethingsarejustwrong

10:30pm Fri 7 Jun 13

roystony says...

http://thelatest.co.
uk/brighton/2012/11/
06/the-vote-who-woul
d-you-vote-for-today
/

Get the greens out of our city.
http://thelatest.co. uk/brighton/2012/11/ 06/the-vote-who-woul d-you-vote-for-today / Get the greens out of our city. roystony

10:31pm Fri 7 Jun 13

Nikski says...

FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that.
FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely?
FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will!
FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website....
FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it!
FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)
FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that. FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely? FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will! FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website.... FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it! FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn) Nikski

11:19pm Fri 7 Jun 13

tradebooker says...

FACT: this isn't about the binment, this isn't about the GMB.. This is about Brighton and hove having enough of Kitkat and his goons.FACT the majority of greens weren't even. On in Brighton. FACT the majority of greens don't have a care to listen to the majority of us brightonians? FACT if they mange to last to the next election they will meet the wrath of brightonians in force.
FACT: this isn't about the binment, this isn't about the GMB.. This is about Brighton and hove having enough of Kitkat and his goons.FACT the majority of greens weren't even. On in Brighton. FACT the majority of greens don't have a care to listen to the majority of us brightonians? FACT if they mange to last to the next election they will meet the wrath of brightonians in force. tradebooker

11:38pm Fri 7 Jun 13

tradebooker says...

Kitcat preaches about equality.. About standing up for the poor man... About stopping people taking advantage of the disadvantaged.. Well he's sure surfing the fat cat landlord sky high rental wave right now..

Check it out:
http://www.brighton-
hove.gov.uk/sites/br
ighton-hove.gov.uk/f
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oral_services/Micros
oft_Word_-_nop_regen
cy.pdf

Rent:http://www.zoop
la.co.uk/property/89
-hangleton-road/hove
/bn3-7gh/2217669
Kitcat preaches about equality.. About standing up for the poor man... About stopping people taking advantage of the disadvantaged.. Well he's sure surfing the fat cat landlord sky high rental wave right now.. Check it out: http://www.brighton- hove.gov.uk/sites/br ighton-hove.gov.uk/f iles/downloads/elect oral_services/Micros oft_Word_-_nop_regen cy.pdf Rent:http://www.zoop la.co.uk/property/89 -hangleton-road/hove /bn3-7gh/2217669 tradebooker

12:12am Sat 8 Jun 13

All 9 of me says...

somethingsarejustwro
nguns seems to spend a considerable amount of time trolling here, despite informing us all of how wonderful a life it leads .... LOL
somethingsarejustwro nguns seems to spend a considerable amount of time trolling here, despite informing us all of how wonderful a life it leads .... LOL All 9 of me

2:52am Sat 8 Jun 13

NeilDoc says...

To those of you who are thinking of withholding part of your council tax, the greens posted on their Q&A page last week that they will not refund any of the council tax and anyone withholding money could be taken to court to recover any money due and may be charged court costs as well, so as far as sending them a bill for costs you've incurred dumping your own rubbish I would imagine it would just end up in the nearest shredder. Come on greens call it a day and lets have an early election because no one has any faith in you at all!
To those of you who are thinking of withholding part of your council tax, the greens posted on their Q&A page last week that they will not refund any of the council tax and anyone withholding money could be taken to court to recover any money due and may be charged court costs as well, so as far as sending them a bill for costs you've incurred dumping your own rubbish I would imagine it would just end up in the nearest shredder. Come on greens call it a day and lets have an early election because no one has any faith in you at all! NeilDoc

5:47am Sat 8 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

All 9 of me wrote:
somethingsarejustwro

nguns seems to spend a considerable amount of time trolling here, despite informing us all of how wonderful a life it leads .... LOL
Another ridiculous post from a seemingly ridiculous poster. Probably one of HJarrs chums
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: somethingsarejustwro nguns seems to spend a considerable amount of time trolling here, despite informing us all of how wonderful a life it leads .... LOL[/p][/quote]Another ridiculous post from a seemingly ridiculous poster. Probably one of HJarrs chums Somethingsarejustwrong

5:47am Sat 8 Jun 13

garymartin675@yahoo.com says...

Jason. Can I ask you to put your expenses and allowances for last year on this site please? so we can be transparent We as you say are transparent. Please Jason ?
Jason. Can I ask you to put your expenses and allowances for last year on this site please? so we can be transparent We as you say are transparent. Please Jason ? garymartin675@yahoo.com

6:58am Sat 8 Jun 13

Balmy zephyrs says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS

If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water.
Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats.
If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards.
Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.
The next thing to do is make a formal complaint to the Director of Public Health Tom Scanlon .... He should be proactive and tell the council we now have a city wide health problem looming up like a psunami ... Everyone commenting here should make two formal complaints to the council one to the Chief Exec and one him .....
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: AVOIDING CONTACT WITH RATS If you have any skin contact with rat urine/droppings, or surfaces contaminated by these, then wash hands thoroughly with soap and water. Avoid approaching or cornering rats. If you are bitten by a rat then seek medical advice, and be sure to mention the exposure to rats. If you have to pick up a dead rat, wear gloves and dispose of the rats in a plastic bag. Wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water afterwards. Rats can move into homes due to flooding of their nests, but they are generally wary of humans. If normal waste collection services are disrupted for any reason, the build up of waste may attract rats and other pests. Store your rubbish in hard bins or if this is not possible, try to keep rubbish bags in a place away from your home. If you handle rubbish bags that you think rats may have contaminated with urine or droppings, wash your hands thoroughly with soap and water.[/p][/quote]The next thing to do is make a formal complaint to the Director of Public Health Tom Scanlon .... He should be proactive and tell the council we now have a city wide health problem looming up like a psunami ... Everyone commenting here should make two formal complaints to the council one to the Chief Exec and one him ..... Balmy zephyrs

7:48am Sat 8 Jun 13

Anna Phylactic says...

Brighton now resembles a third world city with mounds of rotting stinking rubbish and traffic gridlock thanks to unwanted vanity projects.

Well played Greens.
Brighton now resembles a third world city with mounds of rotting stinking rubbish and traffic gridlock thanks to unwanted vanity projects. Well played Greens. Anna Phylactic

7:50am Sat 8 Jun 13

george smith says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors. They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish.
My green councillor doesn't live in our ward, she lives I think on museli mountain, and hasn't worked for ages due to ill health,must be nearly two years now.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Perhaps we should take our rubbish to the wards which have Green councillors. They voted them in so they can have the rubbish councilllors and our rubbish.[/p][/quote]My green councillor doesn't live in our ward, she lives I think on museli mountain, and hasn't worked for ages due to ill health,must be nearly two years now. george smith

7:52am Sat 8 Jun 13

Anna Phylactic says...

Nikski wrote:
FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that.
FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely?
FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will!
FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website....
FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it!
FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)
Shouldn't you get back to your council office desk and work out how we're going to stop Brighton stinking like a dead badger's ringpiece in 2 weeks?

And shut the door on your way out when you're finished.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that. FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely? FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will! FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website.... FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it! FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you get back to your council office desk and work out how we're going to stop Brighton stinking like a dead badger's ringpiece in 2 weeks? And shut the door on your way out when you're finished. Anna Phylactic

8:03am Sat 8 Jun 13

hyram77 says...

Nikski wrote:
FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that.
FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely?
FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will!
FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website....
FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it!
FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)
You clearly agree with the green policy so how about you personally come and assist me next week taking my rubbish to the tip you joker.
[quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that. FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely? FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will! FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website.... FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it! FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)[/p][/quote]You clearly agree with the green policy so how about you personally come and assist me next week taking my rubbish to the tip you joker. hyram77

8:35am Sat 8 Jun 13

Plunge says...

Anna Phylactic wrote:
Nikski wrote:
FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that.
FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely?
FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will!
FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website....
FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it!
FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)
Shouldn't you get back to your council office desk and work out how we're going to stop Brighton stinking like a dead badger's ringpiece in 2 weeks?

And shut the door on your way out when you're finished.
I can smell Brighton from here and I can't decide if it smells like a dead badgers ringpiece or an anchovies ar&e.....
[quote][p][bold]Anna Phylactic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that. FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely? FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will! FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website.... FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it! FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)[/p][/quote]Shouldn't you get back to your council office desk and work out how we're going to stop Brighton stinking like a dead badger's ringpiece in 2 weeks? And shut the door on your way out when you're finished.[/p][/quote]I can smell Brighton from here and I can't decide if it smells like a dead badgers ringpiece or an anchovies ar&e..... Plunge

8:49am Sat 8 Jun 13

Zorniza says...

I hate to say it but the place already looks like a third world dump.

I saw yesterday that with the stong winds we are having, the rubbish from the marina walkwayis now among the boats in the water below.
I hate to say it but the place already looks like a third world dump. I saw yesterday that with the stong winds we are having, the rubbish from the marina walkwayis now among the boats in the water below. Zorniza

9:12am Sat 8 Jun 13

cantstandsocialism says...

Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years.

That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation.

Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years. That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation. Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet. cantstandsocialism

9:51am Sat 8 Jun 13

hubby says...

My bins are emptied every day without fail.Garden waste is collected from outside of my house as are large household items if I want to dispose of them.We have large recycling bins which we are encouraged to use,but are not forced to use.
We pay around 200 pounds a year in council tax.
Oh I forgot to say.......we live in Alicante.
My bins are emptied every day without fail.Garden waste is collected from outside of my house as are large household items if I want to dispose of them.We have large recycling bins which we are encouraged to use,but are not forced to use. We pay around 200 pounds a year in council tax. Oh I forgot to say.......we live in Alicante. hubby

10:22am Sat 8 Jun 13

bigfinker says...

cantstandsocialism wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years.

That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation.

Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.
The war generation - returning in 1945 elected a Labour Party in a landslide.

That Labour Party was far to the the left of today's party and genuinely Socialist unlike today.

Even when the Tories took over in the 1950's it was under what is now known as the Keynesian consensus, which was far more sympathetic to union organisation and maintained much of the state industries, set up under Labour, as well as building 100,000s of council houses.

So which war generation are you talking about I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]cantstandsocialism[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years. That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation. Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.[/p][/quote]The war generation - returning in 1945 elected a Labour Party in a landslide. That Labour Party was far to the the left of today's party and genuinely Socialist unlike today. Even when the Tories took over in the 1950's it was under what is now known as the Keynesian consensus, which was far more sympathetic to union organisation and maintained much of the state industries, set up under Labour, as well as building 100,000s of council houses. So which war generation are you talking about I wonder? bigfinker

10:29am Sat 8 Jun 13

JHunty says...

cantstandsocialism wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years.

That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation.

Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.
Wow demonic forces and God its all so biblical. I thought it was just a bunch of council workers trying to hold onto an unsustainable outdated system of allowances that has led to thousands of unequal pay claims and millions in payouts.
As for your claim that the war generation would slap down anyone on the left, the fact is that communism
has never been held in higher esteem than it was in the immediate post war years and indeed the war generation fought the people's war on the understanding that our old class based systems would be changed and class and privelege would give way to a meritocracy. Hence the emergence of the welfare state in the post war era. It was no accident that a Labour not Tory government were voted in in 1945. Unlike in the First World War people were not prepared to make sacrifices in order to maintain the old regime.
[quote][p][bold]cantstandsocialism[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years. That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation. Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.[/p][/quote]Wow demonic forces and God its all so biblical. I thought it was just a bunch of council workers trying to hold onto an unsustainable outdated system of allowances that has led to thousands of unequal pay claims and millions in payouts. As for your claim that the war generation would slap down anyone on the left, the fact is that communism has never been held in higher esteem than it was in the immediate post war years and indeed the war generation fought the people's war on the understanding that our old class based systems would be changed and class and privelege would give way to a meritocracy. Hence the emergence of the welfare state in the post war era. It was no accident that a Labour not Tory government were voted in in 1945. Unlike in the First World War people were not prepared to make sacrifices in order to maintain the old regime. JHunty

10:53am Sat 8 Jun 13

HJarrs says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul!

Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above.
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer[/p][/quote]Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul! Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above. HJarrs

11:07am Sat 8 Jun 13

HJarrs says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent?

The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning.

The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid.

And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation).

The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have.

I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.
You are spot on.

It is impossible to come to any conclusion from the simplistic information published in this paper.

I am doing my own digging on this and it is a complex issue developing over many years and now coming to a head. It affects a lot of council staff and could result in council tax rises, job cuts and more industrial action if we are not careful.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent? The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning. The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid. And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation). The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have. I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. It is impossible to come to any conclusion from the simplistic information published in this paper. I am doing my own digging on this and it is a complex issue developing over many years and now coming to a head. It affects a lot of council staff and could result in council tax rises, job cuts and more industrial action if we are not careful. HJarrs

11:17am Sat 8 Jun 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Good luck guys - you can win this!

I don't think people realise the magnitude of their waste

No matter what they say I bet the politicians are rattled.

I saw Penny shaking and in tears outside Kings house mumbling to herself "clear, transparent, equal, clear , transparent , equal"
Good luck guys - you can win this! I don't think people realise the magnitude of their waste No matter what they say I bet the politicians are rattled. I saw Penny shaking and in tears outside Kings house mumbling to herself "clear, transparent, equal, clear , transparent , equal" Slim Boy Fat

11:22am Sat 8 Jun 13

DigitalDiva says...

My partner is a street cleaner. The £4k represents a wage cut of just over 25%, and means a new salary of just above minimum wage (barely, and certainly not the Brighton Living Wage promised by the Greens).

Anyone else want to take a 25% pay cut? Or even a £4k one?
My partner is a street cleaner. The £4k represents a wage cut of just over 25%, and means a new salary of just above minimum wage (barely, and certainly not the Brighton Living Wage promised by the Greens). Anyone else want to take a 25% pay cut? Or even a £4k one? DigitalDiva

11:27am Sat 8 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

JHunty wrote:
cantstandsocialism wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion.
We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years.

That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation.

Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.
Wow demonic forces and God its all so biblical. I thought it was just a bunch of council workers trying to hold onto an unsustainable outdated system of allowances that has led to thousands of unequal pay claims and millions in payouts.
As for your claim that the war generation would slap down anyone on the left, the fact is that communism
has never been held in higher esteem than it was in the immediate post war years and indeed the war generation fought the people's war on the understanding that our old class based systems would be changed and class and privelege would give way to a meritocracy. Hence the emergence of the welfare state in the post war era. It was no accident that a Labour not Tory government were voted in in 1945. Unlike in the First World War people were not prepared to make sacrifices in order to maintain the old regime.
So sticking to contractual agreements is now outdated ? Now I've heard it all !
[quote][p][bold]JHunty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantstandsocialism[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]If you think that the Conservative Party is anything like it was in 1963 then you must have been in a coma these last 50 years. That generation was mostly superior to the one we have now. Decency, decorum and courage was in limitless supply unlike the fickle generation we have today which cannot even comprehend how to manage a local council with efficiency. Countering the demonic forces of Marxism that has infected the nation would have been met with a hard slap down by the war generation. Many are now turning to UKIP and with God's help we can all do our bit to try and get this country back on it's feet.[/p][/quote]Wow demonic forces and God its all so biblical. I thought it was just a bunch of council workers trying to hold onto an unsustainable outdated system of allowances that has led to thousands of unequal pay claims and millions in payouts. As for your claim that the war generation would slap down anyone on the left, the fact is that communism has never been held in higher esteem than it was in the immediate post war years and indeed the war generation fought the people's war on the understanding that our old class based systems would be changed and class and privelege would give way to a meritocracy. Hence the emergence of the welfare state in the post war era. It was no accident that a Labour not Tory government were voted in in 1945. Unlike in the First World War people were not prepared to make sacrifices in order to maintain the old regime.[/p][/quote]So sticking to contractual agreements is now outdated ? Now I've heard it all ! Fight_Back

11:33am Sat 8 Jun 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

I bet Jason thought 'Leader of the first Green council" would look really good on his CV.

Now he will be forever known as that bloke who destroyed both Brighton and the Green party.
I bet Jason thought 'Leader of the first Green council" would look really good on his CV. Now he will be forever known as that bloke who destroyed both Brighton and the Green party. Slim Boy Fat

11:38am Sat 8 Jun 13

Nosfaratu says...

grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
Or if you are really interested in this country's future - UKIP !
[quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]Or if you are really interested in this country's future - UKIP ! Nosfaratu

11:46am Sat 8 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

HJarrs wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent?

The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning.

The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid.

And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation).

The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have.

I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.
You are spot on.

It is impossible to come to any conclusion from the simplistic information published in this paper.

I am doing my own digging on this and it is a complex issue developing over many years and now coming to a head. It affects a lot of council staff and could result in council tax rises, job cuts and more industrial action if we are not careful.
Given that you greens can't even maintain basic services, it's highly unlikely that your digging will be successful

Why not get out on the streets and clear rubibish yourself? It's the very least you should do
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: What percentage of the 8,000 numbers of BHCC employees does this "95%" of GMB Members represent? The allowances and etc. negotiations affect the entire workforce of 8000, from the lowest to the highest paid. I was not clear about this until CEO Penny Thompson was interviewed on Sussex Radio (former Southern Counties) this morning. The binmen are talking and acting the loudest and highly organised with it. How does their pay and allowances situation compare with every other employee in BHCC. They are not the lowest paid. And out of 8000 BHCC employees how many will lose out (in spite of £3000 or so compensation). The binmen demand an offer...what is their demand precisely. At what cost to the council that is ruthlessly stripping the elderly and disabled of the home help they need in order to cope, let alone have the freedoms others have. I have not got a big picture context in my mind where I can place the binmen anger so I can judge its worth.[/p][/quote]You are spot on. It is impossible to come to any conclusion from the simplistic information published in this paper. I am doing my own digging on this and it is a complex issue developing over many years and now coming to a head. It affects a lot of council staff and could result in council tax rises, job cuts and more industrial action if we are not careful.[/p][/quote]Given that you greens can't even maintain basic services, it's highly unlikely that your digging will be successful Why not get out on the streets and clear rubibish yourself? It's the very least you should do Somethingsarejustwrong

11:46am Sat 8 Jun 13

Nosfaratu says...

Why does'nt someone 'sue' the council for failing to meet Health & Safety hygiene guidelines. Simples !
Why does'nt someone 'sue' the council for failing to meet Health & Safety hygiene guidelines. Simples ! Nosfaratu

11:54am Sat 8 Jun 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Nosfaratu wrote:
grmski wrote:
Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org
Or if you are really interested in this country's future - UKIP !
But that would confuse the people on here who like to say "sack all the bin men , Eastern Europeans will do their job for less money"
[quote][p][bold]Nosfaratu[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grmski[/bold] wrote: Good luck with your action. If you feel you're not represented by a political party in Brighton anymore then come and join www.leftunity.org[/p][/quote]Or if you are really interested in this country's future - UKIP ![/p][/quote]But that would confuse the people on here who like to say "sack all the bin men , Eastern Europeans will do their job for less money" Slim Boy Fat

12:19pm Sat 8 Jun 13

garymartin675@yahoo.com says...

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
I bet Jason thought 'Leader of the first Green council" would look really good on his CV.

Now he will be forever known as that bloke who destroyed both Brighton and the Green party.
I like your thinking mate! I've done 25 years and it's been ok. like you say CV HOW TO KILL THE GREENS in two years Jason Kitcat. Green I think not, selfish, arrogant, greedy and lets not forget transparent NOT. FU-K OFF.
[quote][p][bold]Slim Boy Fat[/bold] wrote: I bet Jason thought 'Leader of the first Green council" would look really good on his CV. Now he will be forever known as that bloke who destroyed both Brighton and the Green party.[/p][/quote]I like your thinking mate! I've done 25 years and it's been ok. like you say CV HOW TO KILL THE GREENS in two years Jason Kitcat. Green I think not, selfish, arrogant, greedy and lets not forget transparent NOT. FU-K OFF. garymartin675@yahoo.com

12:21pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
No vote UKIP. Great policies. As well as not liking anyone English everyone will have to wear a wax jacket which will help oir economy; everyone will have to drink and smoke-ditto and chaps will not have to help their wives with the washing up which is something only tree hugging left wing facist planet zog loving knit your own yoghurt mad Greens do anway.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]No vote UKIP. Great policies. As well as not liking anyone English everyone will have to wear a wax jacket which will help oir economy; everyone will have to drink and smoke-ditto and chaps will not have to help their wives with the washing up which is something only tree hugging left wing facist planet zog loving knit your own yoghurt mad Greens do anway. Rearrangethedeckchairs

12:33pm Sat 8 Jun 13

garymartin675@yahoo.com says...

I would love to ask Fat Boy Slim and Stomp to maybe come to hollingdean for some support please.("know your busy people")
I would love to ask Fat Boy Slim and Stomp to maybe come to hollingdean for some support please.("know your busy people") garymartin675@yahoo.com

12:44pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Martha Gunn says...

The rubbish piles up - the chaos grows, the situation goes from bad to worse.

And what do you imagine the Green Party in Brighton were up to last night?

Well they were sorting out the problems of South Korea. Yes South Korea. You could not make this stuff up!
The rubbish piles up - the chaos grows, the situation goes from bad to worse. And what do you imagine the Green Party in Brighton were up to last night? Well they were sorting out the problems of South Korea. Yes South Korea. You could not make this stuff up! Martha Gunn

12:45pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Number Six says...

Rearrangethedeckchai
rs
wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.
No vote UKIP. Great policies. As well as not liking anyone English everyone will have to wear a wax jacket which will help oir economy; everyone will have to drink and smoke-ditto and chaps will not have to help their wives with the washing up which is something only tree hugging left wing facist planet zog loving knit your own yoghurt mad Greens do anway.
That's a unique use of logic. Get rid of one minority party with absolutely no experience of government and replace them with another minority party with absolutely ne experience of government. I'm struggling to see why wanting Britain out of Europe qualifies you to run a local council that has nothing to do with Europe.

There's an old proverb. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.
[quote][p][bold]Rearrangethedeckchai rs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: go back about fifty years to when the Conservatives ran practically all of the local authorities in the south of England, and nothing very exciting happened. They just got on with the job with running the services in an orderly fashion. We could go back to those times. It is up to the voting public.[/p][/quote]No vote UKIP. Great policies. As well as not liking anyone English everyone will have to wear a wax jacket which will help oir economy; everyone will have to drink and smoke-ditto and chaps will not have to help their wives with the washing up which is something only tree hugging left wing facist planet zog loving knit your own yoghurt mad Greens do anway.[/p][/quote]That's a unique use of logic. Get rid of one minority party with absolutely no experience of government and replace them with another minority party with absolutely ne experience of government. I'm struggling to see why wanting Britain out of Europe qualifies you to run a local council that has nothing to do with Europe. There's an old proverb. Be careful what you wish for. You might get it. Number Six

1:12pm Sat 8 Jun 13

PorkBoat says...

This is a golden opportunity for someone with a truck, the appropriate waste disposal certificates, insurance and willingness to do some hard work. How much would you pay someone to collect your rubbish while the binmen strike? Or are there huge obstacles put in the way by the council, such as impossibly high fees for disposal?
This is a golden opportunity for someone with a truck, the appropriate waste disposal certificates, insurance and willingness to do some hard work. How much would you pay someone to collect your rubbish while the binmen strike? Or are there huge obstacles put in the way by the council, such as impossibly high fees for disposal? PorkBoat

1:30pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Fight_Back says...

Martha Gunn wrote:
The rubbish piles up - the chaos grows, the situation goes from bad to worse.

And what do you imagine the Green Party in Brighton were up to last night?

Well they were sorting out the problems of South Korea. Yes South Korea. You could not make this stuff up!
I'm assuming that South Korea are somehow lacking in cycle lanes and 20mph zones then ?

I wasn't aware the Greens were world diplomats !
[quote][p][bold]Martha Gunn[/bold] wrote: The rubbish piles up - the chaos grows, the situation goes from bad to worse. And what do you imagine the Green Party in Brighton were up to last night? Well they were sorting out the problems of South Korea. Yes South Korea. You could not make this stuff up![/p][/quote]I'm assuming that South Korea are somehow lacking in cycle lanes and 20mph zones then ? I wasn't aware the Greens were world diplomats ! Fight_Back

1:38pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Martha Gunn says...

As I said there is no need to make this stuff up.

The fruit cakes do it all for us. This is from Chair of Brighton Green Party.

Green Rob Shepherd ‏@robs_on_green 14h

Having such a great & informative evening with @seohyungwon & Green Party of S Korea delegation. Good to meet you all.
As I said there is no need to make this stuff up. The fruit cakes do it all for us. This is from Chair of Brighton Green Party. Green Rob Shepherd ‏@robs_on_green 14h Having such a great & informative evening with @seohyungwon & Green Party of S Korea delegation. Good to meet you all. Martha Gunn

2:22pm Sat 8 Jun 13

clubrob6 says...

Well lets face it the greens like the lib dems have had their chance and blown BIGTIME.Next things the greens will do is fill in bowling greens OOOPs they have already done that.The motto for the greens now is GREENS REMOVE GREENS.
Well lets face it the greens like the lib dems have had their chance and blown BIGTIME.Next things the greens will do is fill in bowling greens OOOPs they have already done that.The motto for the greens now is GREENS REMOVE GREENS. clubrob6

3:16pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Farouche says...

Sack the striking scum; ditch the incompetent Greens, and get our streets cleared up!

The seagulls are the only ones who are benefitting!
Sack the striking scum; ditch the incompetent Greens, and get our streets cleared up! The seagulls are the only ones who are benefitting! Farouche

3:40pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Lady Smith says...

aat99 wrote:
Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out ..

By the way I'm no green
You are quite correct. This situation is inherited and a confrontation on the issue has been brewing for some time. Unfortunately, the current administration is so inept and naive that it didn't start to negotiate/compromise long before it got to this stage, so strike action was inevitable. Unless something is sorted out in the next week, things are going to get very nasty...in more ways than one.
[quote][p][bold]aat99[/bold] wrote: Interesting how people jump to bash the greens again .... I read in an earlier Argus article that the whole issue relates back to 1997 when Brighton and Hove councils merged and that the issue stems from then ... shame all the fantastic Labour and Tory councils didn't managed to sort it out .. By the way I'm no green[/p][/quote]You are quite correct. This situation is inherited and a confrontation on the issue has been brewing for some time. Unfortunately, the current administration is so inept and naive that it didn't start to negotiate/compromise long before it got to this stage, so strike action was inevitable. Unless something is sorted out in the next week, things are going to get very nasty...in more ways than one. Lady Smith

4:13pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Slim Boy Fat says...

Farouche wrote:
Sack the striking scum; ditch the incompetent Greens, and get our streets cleared up!

The seagulls are the only ones who are benefitting!
Or a better idea leave their wages alone; get the streets clean, let the greens carry on welding tofu and yoghurt weaving until they are voted out at the next election...
[quote][p][bold]Farouche[/bold] wrote: Sack the striking scum; ditch the incompetent Greens, and get our streets cleared up! The seagulls are the only ones who are benefitting![/p][/quote]Or a better idea leave their wages alone; get the streets clean, let the greens carry on welding tofu and yoghurt weaving until they are voted out at the next election... Slim Boy Fat

4:16pm Sat 8 Jun 13

hubby says...

It's time the population was corrected.
I'm sure another plague would bring the numbers down.
It's time the population was corrected. I'm sure another plague would bring the numbers down. hubby

4:18pm Sat 8 Jun 13

SuzieCowp says...

We must start looking after people who do the low paid jobs we do not and would not want to do ourselves.
You are luck we have people that are willing to do this work, and they will have to clean up the mess we are causing by not being willing to take the rubbish to the tip
Just leaving it on the streets shows a total lack of community spirit.
We should not allow the council to take from refuse workers any of the benefits they may have for such an awful job.
Lets cut any salary above the average paid workers to pay better wages to the bottom and even up society.
We must start looking after people who do the low paid jobs we do not and would not want to do ourselves. You are luck we have people that are willing to do this work, and they will have to clean up the mess we are causing by not being willing to take the rubbish to the tip Just leaving it on the streets shows a total lack of community spirit. We should not allow the council to take from refuse workers any of the benefits they may have for such an awful job. Lets cut any salary above the average paid workers to pay better wages to the bottom and even up society. SuzieCowp

5:19pm Sat 8 Jun 13

roystony says...

tradebooker wrote:
FACT: this isn't about the binment, this isn't about the GMB.. This is about Brighton and hove having enough of Kitkat and his goons.FACT the majority of greens weren't even. On in Brighton. FACT the majority of greens don't have a care to listen to the majority of us brightonians? FACT if they mange to last to the next election they will meet the wrath of brightonians in force.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]tradebooker[/bold] wrote: FACT: this isn't about the binment, this isn't about the GMB.. This is about Brighton and hove having enough of Kitkat and his goons.FACT the majority of greens weren't even. On in Brighton. FACT the majority of greens don't have a care to listen to the majority of us brightonians? FACT if they mange to last to the next election they will meet the wrath of brightonians in force.[/p][/quote]Agreed roystony

6:53pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Nikski says...

hyram77 wrote:
Nikski wrote:
FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that.
FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely?
FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will!
FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website....
FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it!
FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)
You clearly agree with the green policy so how about you personally come and assist me next week taking my rubbish to the tip you joker.
Joker? Yeah must be because my wife works for BHCC and stands to lose £100 a month take home under these proposals which we can ill afford. That's very funny isn't it? And because of 'restructures' I have been made redundant twice in the last five years and now earn 10k p.a. less than I was. Haha! But you adjust and we will survive...no-one wants to see anyone lose money but there is a bigger picture (there's always a BIGGER picture) and I happen to believe that if more people will be better off than worse off under these proposals then that is not a bad thing. Of course it's hard for those who will lose out and I feel for them, but we are all a part of a wider society (no not Dave's big one) and all those care workers who also do jobs most of you couldn't, or wouldn't do, and stand to take home more pay need to be considered too don't you think? So it's not just about some people being worse off it's also about more people being better off. Not a simple black and white issue - they rarely are - but maybe some of the righteous anger shown on here should be directed towards the people who are really battering public sector workers: the ConDem govt! They are the ones slashing Council budgets and attacking public services. Try to look beyond the local - 'The Greens' and you might be able to see what is really going on.
[quote][p][bold]hyram77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nikski[/bold] wrote: FACT: Most of the people posting on here have no idea of what they are talking about - this is not simply a pay cut for the bin men - despite what the GMB would have you believe, it's much more complicated than that. FACT: More people will be better off than worse off under the proposed changes to the allowance system - a good thing surely? FACT: All those backing the bin men will soon change their tune once their rubbish starts stinking in the sun - oh yes you will! FACT: Many of those whinging on here would use any excuse to have a go at The Greens - they have no lives and it makes them feel important to get on the Argus website.... FACT: The Greens are not responsible for all the ills of the world - get over it! FACT: Bored of this now goodnight (yawn)[/p][/quote]You clearly agree with the green policy so how about you personally come and assist me next week taking my rubbish to the tip you joker.[/p][/quote]Joker? Yeah must be because my wife works for BHCC and stands to lose £100 a month take home under these proposals which we can ill afford. That's very funny isn't it? And because of 'restructures' I have been made redundant twice in the last five years and now earn 10k p.a. less than I was. Haha! But you adjust and we will survive...no-one wants to see anyone lose money but there is a bigger picture (there's always a BIGGER picture) and I happen to believe that if more people will be better off than worse off under these proposals then that is not a bad thing. Of course it's hard for those who will lose out and I feel for them, but we are all a part of a wider society (no not Dave's big one) and all those care workers who also do jobs most of you couldn't, or wouldn't do, and stand to take home more pay need to be considered too don't you think? So it's not just about some people being worse off it's also about more people being better off. Not a simple black and white issue - they rarely are - but maybe some of the righteous anger shown on here should be directed towards the people who are really battering public sector workers: the ConDem govt! They are the ones slashing Council budgets and attacking public services. Try to look beyond the local - 'The Greens' and you might be able to see what is really going on. Nikski

7:01pm Sat 8 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Green council in ABSOLUTE crisis
Green council in ABSOLUTE crisis BornInBrighton1968

7:24pm Sat 8 Jun 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

city-boy wrote:
pwlr1966 wrote:
I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action.

A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!!


Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years
COULD YOU PLEASE KEEP US IMFORMED HOW YOU GET ON WITH THIS?

I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing and pushing it all the way through the small claims.......

Cannot any reason why we cannot be paid.

Good luck to them btw, I support it!!
You need to make a official complaint. and follow all stages of complaints procedure I would advise collecting photos for evidence After 12 weeks you can then go on and complain to the the Local Government Ombudsmen. If they find something has gone wrong, such as poor service, service failure, delay or bad advice and that a person has suffered as a result the Ombudsmen aim to get it put right by recommending a suitable remedy which could include compensation. contact www.lgo.org.uk Call the helpline on 0300 061 0614 if you want help with making a complaint.
[quote][p][bold]city-boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlr1966[/bold] wrote: I have just invoiced the council for my petrol and time for five trips to the tip as my rubbish has not been collected since before the first unauthorised action. A total of £38.32, it will be interesting if they pay out!!! Good luck with the strike, nobody deserves a pay cut especially as they haven't had a pay rise for over three years[/p][/quote]COULD YOU PLEASE KEEP US IMFORMED HOW YOU GET ON WITH THIS? I was thinking of doing exactly the same thing and pushing it all the way through the small claims....... Cannot any reason why we cannot be paid. Good luck to them btw, I support it!![/p][/quote]You need to make a official complaint. and follow all stages of complaints procedure I would advise collecting photos for evidence After 12 weeks you can then go on and complain to the the Local Government Ombudsmen. If they find something has gone wrong, such as poor service, service failure, delay or bad advice and that a person has suffered as a result the Ombudsmen aim to get it put right by recommending a suitable remedy which could include compensation. contact www.lgo.org.uk Call the helpline on 0300 061 0614 if you want help with making a complaint. Mrs Newcastle

9:58pm Sat 8 Jun 13

ihavetoknow says...

I'm really curious as to what the solution is here.

I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters.

I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party.
I'm really curious as to what the solution is here. I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters. I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party. ihavetoknow

10:39pm Sat 8 Jun 13

wippasnapper says...

I was given a poster to stick in my window and willingly i will as they say "Could you afford a £4,000 pay cut p.a." and they ask if you support them please sine there petition to Councillors at www.gmb-southern.org
.uk/bhcc or just simply follow this link http://www.gmb-south
ern.org.uk/no-to-gre
en-cuts-at-brighton-
hove-city-council/
I was given a poster to stick in my window and willingly i will as they say "Could you afford a £4,000 pay cut p.a." and they ask if you support them please sine there petition to Councillors at www.gmb-southern.org .uk/bhcc or just simply follow this link http://www.gmb-south ern.org.uk/no-to-gre en-cuts-at-brighton- hove-city-council/ wippasnapper

11:18pm Sat 8 Jun 13

wippasnapper says...

Could you afford a £4,000 pay cut P.A.
GMB members employed by Brighton & Hove City Council are facing massive cuts to their take-home pay following Green Party & Conservative plans to alter their terms and conditions.
At a meeting of Brighton’s Policy and Resources Committee on 24th January 2013, Green and Conservative Councillors forced through a measure* which authorised Council officers to implement a ‘modernised pay and conditions package’. Labour Councillors voted against the proposals.
Since then Council officers have been in negotiations over the proposals with the recognised trade unions. At a meeting that took place on 29 April 2013 the Council made what they described as a ‘final offer’ which still included pay cuts of up to £95 a week for some of the lowest paid staff.
As a result GMB announced launched an industrial action ballot, the result of which was announced on Friday 7th June with 95.6% voting in favour of strike action..
PLEASE SUPPORT OUR MEMBERS IN DISPUTE
+ Sign our petition at www.gmb-southern.org
.uk/bhcc or at the bottom of this page
Could you afford a £4,000 pay cut P.A. GMB members employed by Brighton & Hove City Council are facing massive cuts to their take-home pay following Green Party & Conservative plans to alter their terms and conditions. At a meeting of Brighton’s Policy and Resources Committee on 24th January 2013, Green and Conservative Councillors forced through a measure* which authorised Council officers to implement a ‘modernised pay and conditions package’. Labour Councillors voted against the proposals. Since then Council officers have been in negotiations over the proposals with the recognised trade unions. At a meeting that took place on 29 April 2013 the Council made what they described as a ‘final offer’ which still included pay cuts of up to £95 a week for some of the lowest paid staff. As a result GMB announced launched an industrial action ballot, the result of which was announced on Friday 7th June with 95.6% voting in favour of strike action.. PLEASE SUPPORT OUR MEMBERS IN DISPUTE + Sign our petition at www.gmb-southern.org .uk/bhcc or at the bottom of this page wippasnapper

1:42am Sun 9 Jun 13

Zeta Function says...

Why didn't Labour do something about equality pay when they had overall control of the council from 1996 to 2003 with 44 councillors in 1999 when wages were rising?

How much was spent paying consultants to write reports on equality issues?
Why didn't Labour do something about equality pay when they had overall control of the council from 1996 to 2003 with 44 councillors in 1999 when wages were rising? How much was spent paying consultants to write reports on equality issues? Zeta Function

10:25am Sun 9 Jun 13

Dealing with idiots says...

HJarrs wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul! Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above.
Hi Paul
1. never thought you were a woman.
2. Interested in who you are? Not really but it is interesting to see who is licking the @rse of kitcat to get contracts for their green consultancy business.
3. How do I know who you are? Your own slip up Paul. You made a reference to another poster abut a website of yours. Just checked on Who Is, got the name and then cross referenced to Linked in. Very simple really, rather like your arguments.
5/5/15 one day closer :)
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer[/p][/quote]Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul! Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above.[/p][/quote]Hi Paul 1. never thought you were a woman. 2. Interested in who you are? Not really but it is interesting to see who is licking the @rse of kitcat to get contracts for their green consultancy business. 3. How do I know who you are? Your own slip up Paul. You made a reference to another poster abut a website of yours. Just checked on Who Is, got the name and then cross referenced to Linked in. Very simple really, rather like your arguments. 5/5/15 one day closer :) Dealing with idiots

10:40am Sun 9 Jun 13

Rearrangethedeckchairs says...

ihavetoknow wrote:
I'm really curious as to what the solution is here. I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters. I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party.
Cos they are right. They simply slag people off, offer no solutions and do not need to bother about facts, reason or evidence as they know they are right. the fact that you do not understand this makes you wrong. Simplesshhh
[quote][p][bold]ihavetoknow[/bold] wrote: I'm really curious as to what the solution is here. I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters. I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party.[/p][/quote]Cos they are right. They simply slag people off, offer no solutions and do not need to bother about facts, reason or evidence as they know they are right. the fact that you do not understand this makes you wrong. Simplesshhh Rearrangethedeckchairs

12:38pm Sun 9 Jun 13

the_grail says...

Rearrangethedeckchai
rs
wrote:
ihavetoknow wrote:
I'm really curious as to what the solution is here. I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters. I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party.
Cos they are right. They simply slag people off, offer no solutions and do not need to bother about facts, reason or evidence as they know they are right. the fact that you do not understand this makes you wrong. Simplesshhh
That's the problem with any general online discussion in knowing about general views vs. those from interweb bloggers either pro- or anti-green. What would you suggest as an alternative?

We need to see what happens in the Hanover council election to get a better understanding, but from general face-to-face chats with other residents in my locality it does seem the Greens do not have many fans.

As far as proposing solutions, there are plenty offered - although the general view is that the greens have caused the current problems by their actions (in sorting out pay differentials badly) and subsequent non-actions and they should be solving it themselves.

Unfortunately for everyone, they do not seem to be willing or capable of doing this, and as a result IMHO predict this ineptness will be the end of the greens as a political party.

Political parties (esp. those in power) have the responsibility for resolving such issues as the bin collection work-to-contract and strike. The greens, unfortunately, do not seem to understand the meaning of the word "responsibility".

I think the general solution proffered is the that BHCC should call a new council election now. If the city believe the greens are doing a great job they will get re-elected with a large majority. If not, they can go and let someone else resolve it.
[quote][p][bold]Rearrangethedeckchai rs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ihavetoknow[/bold] wrote: I'm really curious as to what the solution is here. I've been reading Argus comments for a few years now and it seems that there's a lot of anti-Green Party invective but not much in terms of problem solving suggestions amongst the regular commenters. I am also curious as to how many of the same regular commenters know that they are the voice of the majority. It could be that this is a gross overestimation of the popularity of ones own views without adequate backing from evidence. Something which is often levelled against supporters of the aforementioned Green Party.[/p][/quote]Cos they are right. They simply slag people off, offer no solutions and do not need to bother about facts, reason or evidence as they know they are right. the fact that you do not understand this makes you wrong. Simplesshhh[/p][/quote]That's the problem with any general online discussion in knowing about general views vs. those from interweb bloggers either pro- or anti-green. What would you suggest as an alternative? We need to see what happens in the Hanover council election to get a better understanding, but from general face-to-face chats with other residents in my locality it does seem the Greens do not have many fans. As far as proposing solutions, there are plenty offered - although the general view is that the greens have caused the current problems by their actions (in sorting out pay differentials badly) and subsequent non-actions and they should be solving it themselves. Unfortunately for everyone, they do not seem to be willing or capable of doing this, and as a result IMHO predict this ineptness will be the end of the greens as a political party. Political parties (esp. those in power) have the responsibility for resolving such issues as the bin collection work-to-contract and strike. The greens, unfortunately, do not seem to understand the meaning of the word "responsibility". I think the general solution proffered is the that BHCC should call a new council election now. If the city believe the greens are doing a great job they will get re-elected with a large majority. If not, they can go and let someone else resolve it. the_grail

7:28pm Sun 9 Jun 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Dealing with idiots wrote:
HJarrs wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.
Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer
Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul! Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above.
Hi Paul
1. never thought you were a woman.
2. Interested in who you are? Not really but it is interesting to see who is licking the @rse of kitcat to get contracts for their green consultancy business.
3. How do I know who you are? Your own slip up Paul. You made a reference to another poster abut a website of yours. Just checked on Who Is, got the name and then cross referenced to Linked in. Very simple really, rather like your arguments.
5/5/15 one day closer :)
Keen to learn more. Just to confirm that Jarrs posts are from who I think he is
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: I love the misrepresentation of the Argus. Since when did the Green Party plan to cut anyone's pay except for the top council posts (which has been done)? News to me. According to reports in this paper the Greens and Conservatives supported council officers alone dealing with the issue of allowances. The Greens to my knowledge have an internal disagreement on handing over decision making to council officers and being a hostage to fortune, as they are now. There is also a disagreement as to the principal (yes, politicians having principles) of some people losing some allowances and taking the decision back to councillors. What does not seem to be reported is who is losing what - a few, all, somewhere inbetween, nor are the implications of not sorting out this contractual mess. B&H seems to be leaving itself open to being sued for equal pay, which will result in either council tax rises or cuts or a combination of both. I have not read any comments on here or from opposition councillors for support for a referendum to support a rise in next year's council tax above the 2% cap. Also not reported with the same gusto as when Green bashing is the way that Warren Morgen Labour Leader seems to have broken a confidence and stuck up 2 fingers to the bin men when one of the Green councillors made a cross party attempt to come up with some sort of solution. This is a mess, but not the simplistic story portrayed in this paper.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest Paul. Self interest because you run a green consultancy and are close friend of the fragrant Alex 'the traitor' Phillips. Warren was wise to stear clear of the rats leaving the stinking ship. 5/5/15 one day closer[/p][/quote]Ha,ha! According to you I am a female councillor called Paul! Why are you so interested in who I am? Another troll attempt? I notice you don't address the bin strike issue above.[/p][/quote]Hi Paul 1. never thought you were a woman. 2. Interested in who you are? Not really but it is interesting to see who is licking the @rse of kitcat to get contracts for their green consultancy business. 3. How do I know who you are? Your own slip up Paul. You made a reference to another poster abut a website of yours. Just checked on Who Is, got the name and then cross referenced to Linked in. Very simple really, rather like your arguments. 5/5/15 one day closer :)[/p][/quote]Keen to learn more. Just to confirm that Jarrs posts are from who I think he is Somethingsarejustwrong

8:54pm Sun 9 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Vote of no confidence against the incompetent, spiteful Green council coming soon!
Vote of no confidence against the incompetent, spiteful Green council coming soon! BornInBrighton1968

2:35am Mon 10 Jun 13

Zeta Function says...

Here's the link to the council's pdf document explaining the pay modernisation.

http://tinyurl.com/c
yqhfwo

I find the expression 'work flexibility' a little worrying.
Here's the link to the council's pdf document explaining the pay modernisation. http://tinyurl.com/c yqhfwo I find the expression 'work flexibility' a little worrying. Zeta Function

6:38am Mon 10 Jun 13

the_grail says...

For more background to how this situation came about see.

http://tinyurl.com/q
7gplp8

Makes very interesting reading about how the Green Left are unhappy with what the Green Centre have done in Brighton & Hove.
For more background to how this situation came about see. http://tinyurl.com/q 7gplp8 Makes very interesting reading about how the Green Left are unhappy with what the Green Centre have done in Brighton & Hove. the_grail

8:33pm Tue 11 Jun 13

KarenT says...

Well the seagulls will be having a great weak of goodies!
Well the seagulls will be having a great weak of goodies! KarenT

10:03am Wed 12 Jun 13

Kate234 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose.

There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts.

This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon
Unfortunately the Greens don't seem to have done anything well.

If this was just a one off problem it could have been forgiven. However every time they do anything it is widely derided as being a disaster.

The legacy and damage they have left will cost millions and years to repair.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Oh, I wasn't suggesting that this has been handled well. They should never have agreed to be a hostage to fortune. However, nobody comes out of this well, union, political parties, council. The Argus wants the Greens out and is using the story for that purpose. There is a problem primarily brought about by historical terms and conditions, the interpretation of equality legislation (which in this instance. I have to say is shaky), cap on council tax and savage grant cuts. This may be a sign of things to come. A story on the BBC website suggested that many councils around the country are in meltdown, unable to meet even statutory requirements in order to meet 25%+ cuts to government funding. B&H is not there yet but will be soon[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the Greens don't seem to have done anything well. If this was just a one off problem it could have been forgiven. However every time they do anything it is widely derided as being a disaster. The legacy and damage they have left will cost millions and years to repair. Kate234

2:09pm Wed 12 Jun 13

ThinkBrighton says...

I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots.
But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton.
Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with.
I bet this will start up a rapport.
I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots. But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton. Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with. I bet this will start up a rapport. ThinkBrighton

5:30pm Wed 12 Jun 13

Hoveres2013 says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots.
But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton.
Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with.
I bet this will start up a rapport.
Stuff that, Mines going straight outside Council Offices in Grand Avenue, Let them take it to the tip. Hopefully **** Shat will join the rest of the rats and leave Brighton & Hove the hell alone!!! Its going to take years to sort out the mess and ruin they have made of our city. I am disgusted.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots. But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton. Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with. I bet this will start up a rapport.[/p][/quote]Stuff that, Mines going straight outside Council Offices in Grand Avenue, Let them take it to the tip. Hopefully **** Shat will join the rest of the rats and leave Brighton & Hove the hell alone!!! Its going to take years to sort out the mess and ruin they have made of our city. I am disgusted. Hoveres2013

5:15pm Thu 13 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Green council in ABSOLUTE crisis; vote of no-confidence imminent
Green council in ABSOLUTE crisis; vote of no-confidence imminent BornInBrighton1968

5:17pm Thu 13 Jun 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

ThinkBrighton wrote:
I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots.
But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton.
Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with.
I bet this will start up a rapport.
Myself and my neighbours had a meeting last night; we all agreed that we will be dumping our rubbish outside council offices.
[quote][p][bold]ThinkBrighton[/bold] wrote: I think we all know by now that this green mob are a bunch of idiots. But the GMB are using this fact against the people of Brighton. Don't take your rubbish to the tip dump it in the car park of the GMB in Church Road, Hove, and let them have a bit af what the majority of residents are having to put up with. I bet this will start up a rapport.[/p][/quote]Myself and my neighbours had a meeting last night; we all agreed that we will be dumping our rubbish outside council offices. BornInBrighton1968

6:05am Fri 14 Jun 13

little boo says...

Why not bring all your rubbish to the Seven Dials and ad it all to the junk and confusion that's going on there at the moment, we've got wider pavements there now so plenty of room for lots of bin bags.
Why not bring all your rubbish to the Seven Dials and ad it all to the junk and confusion that's going on there at the moment, we've got wider pavements there now so plenty of room for lots of bin bags. little boo

7:11am Fri 14 Jun 13

dingdong2 says...

We should all take our rubbish and dump it at the Green Party's office.

Perhaps we should start a petition to hold the next election earlier - the sooner we can get the green party out of office the better

I hope other parties are taking pictures of brighton looking like a slum for their election leaflets to remind everyone what a disaster the greens have been for brighton.

Rather than spending millions on an unenforceable and ignored 20mph zone they could have used the money to avoid this situation arising in the first place.
We should all take our rubbish and dump it at the Green Party's office. Perhaps we should start a petition to hold the next election earlier - the sooner we can get the green party out of office the better I hope other parties are taking pictures of brighton looking like a slum for their election leaflets to remind everyone what a disaster the greens have been for brighton. Rather than spending millions on an unenforceable and ignored 20mph zone they could have used the money to avoid this situation arising in the first place. dingdong2

3:24pm Tue 18 Jun 13

NJWSmith says...

I want the Greens out; they are ideologically naive, they haven't a clue how to run a city. Their only tactic seems to be increasing motoring costs. The only possible positive outcome of this debacle is that it stirs those that are politically apathetic, and people will vote them out.
I want the Greens out; they are ideologically naive, they haven't a clue how to run a city. Their only tactic seems to be increasing motoring costs. The only possible positive outcome of this debacle is that it stirs those that are politically apathetic, and people will vote them out. NJWSmith

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