VIDEO: Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling

Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling

Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling

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Witches from all over the world descended on Brighton yesterday for the unveiling of the first ever blue plaque in honour of the occult.

Incense filled the air as a high priest led the gathering in an ancient ritual in memory of the mother of modern witchcraft, Doreen Valiente.

Followers travelled from as far as America for the ceremony, which culminated in the unveiling of the plaque at her former home in Tyson Place.

High priest Ralph Harvey, who led the ancient rituals, said her influence was “incredible” and “wide-reaching”.

The 85-year-old from Shoreham said: “Doreen was the person who brought witchcraft into the 20th Century, she blew away the cobwebs through her extensive writings.

“She changed the wider understanding of witchcraft from devils and red hot pokers to a religion of love and understanding.”

Mrs Valiente, who died in 1999, spent much of her life in the city and penned numerous books on witchcraft and associated beliefs.

Her teachings are now recognised as the basis of modern witchcraft and practised as far away as Canada and New Zealand.

The day began with hundreds of witches, some dressed as trees, others with robes and antlers, gathered at the Old Steine.

The date was chosen as it also marked the summer solstice and Mrs Valiente’s 60th anniversary of becoming a witch.

Mr Harvey led the ritual, which included the reciting of an ancient witch’s ballad and numerous songs accompanied by a green-faced drummer.

Mr Harvey explained that he first became involved in witchcraft after becoming disillusioned with Christianity following his time in the forces.

He said: “Brighton and Hove is the perfect place for witchcraft with its parks, seafront and green credentials.

“In fact witchcraft is the original Green Party, we were here first.”

Following the ritual the crowd made their way to Tyson Place, where the mayor, Councillor Denise Cobb, unveiled the plaque.

John Belham-Payne, who was Mrs Valiente’s final working partner, travelled from his home in Spain for the event.

The 61-year-old said: “She was a wonderful lady but didn’t like the attention at all. She would have found today very embarrassing.”

Mr Belham-Payne, who was bequeathed Mrs Valiente’s collection of witchcraft artefacts and writings, is now in the process of opening a museum in the city.

He said: “We are in talks with the council and have three sites we are looking at. I would expect it to be up and running within two years.

“I’ve been contacted by museum owners in Salem but Brighton is the only place for the collection.”

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11:17am Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

Okay, so. King Arthur is in a heated battle with another king. Now, Arthur has all of his best men in battle, but unfortunatly, he loses. Because kings don't really kill other kings, the king agrees to let Arthur go, if he answers one question. The king asks Arther to find out what a woman wants most. The question must be answered in 1 year's time. Arthur has no idea where to look, so he sends a few of his best soldiers to search for someone who knows what women want. 2 months later, Arthur hears word of a witch who lives up in the northern-most mountains who knows what all women want. Arthur sent his best man, Sir Lancelot Du Lac to find the witch. Sir Lancelot travels for many moons, until one day, he finally finds the witch. He walks into the cave and sees only a bear. He says, "Kind bear, will you please tell me where the witch is?"
The bear replies, "What business do you have here?"
"I need to find out what women want the most."
"Well, I'll tell you on one condition; you marry me."
Now Lancelot is a very handsome man. He is the best looking man in Arthur's entire kindgom, but Lancelot is so loyal to Arthur that he just has to marry this witch.
"Okay, I will marry you," Sir Lancelot agrees.
"What a women wants most is to make her own decisions. Now, shall we ride home?"
Lancelot and the witch ride home. Before the wedding, Arthur tells Lancelot that he doesn't need to do this but Lancelot is determined to keep his promise to the witch. After Lancelot is married to the witch and they go to their room in the castle, the witch turns into a beautiful woman. She asks Lancelot, "Will you rather I am this beautiful in the night, with you, or in the day, when company will see me?"
Lancelot thinks for a minute, then says, "You decide."
"Very good. You have been listening. Now, I will be beautiful all the time."
The moral of this story is that no matter how beautiful or how ugly she is, ALL women are Witches...
Okay, so. King Arthur is in a heated battle with another king. Now, Arthur has all of his best men in battle, but unfortunatly, he loses. Because kings don't really kill other kings, the king agrees to let Arthur go, if he answers one question. The king asks Arther to find out what a woman wants most. The question must be answered in 1 year's time. Arthur has no idea where to look, so he sends a few of his best soldiers to search for someone who knows what women want. 2 months later, Arthur hears word of a witch who lives up in the northern-most mountains who knows what all women want. Arthur sent his best man, Sir Lancelot Du Lac to find the witch. Sir Lancelot travels for many moons, until one day, he finally finds the witch. He walks into the cave and sees only a bear. He says, "Kind bear, will you please tell me where the witch is?" The bear replies, "What business do you have here?" "I need to find out what women want the most." "Well, I'll tell you on one condition; you marry me." Now Lancelot is a very handsome man. He is the best looking man in Arthur's entire kindgom, but Lancelot is so loyal to Arthur that he just has to marry this witch. "Okay, I will marry you," Sir Lancelot agrees. "What a women wants most is to make her own decisions. Now, shall we ride home?" Lancelot and the witch ride home. Before the wedding, Arthur tells Lancelot that he doesn't need to do this but Lancelot is determined to keep his promise to the witch. After Lancelot is married to the witch and they go to their room in the castle, the witch turns into a beautiful woman. She asks Lancelot, "Will you rather I am this beautiful in the night, with you, or in the day, when company will see me?" Lancelot thinks for a minute, then says, "You decide." "Very good. You have been listening. Now, I will be beautiful all the time." The moral of this story is that no matter how beautiful or how ugly she is, ALL women are Witches... Omega Man
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11:20am Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

I gave a Witch a lift into Brighton this morning! I picked her up hitch hiking on the A23 ...I think she was a Witch ...because when she stroked my thigh, turned into a lay-by ...
I gave a Witch a lift into Brighton this morning! I picked her up hitch hiking on the A23 ...I think she was a Witch ...because when she stroked my thigh, turned into a lay-by ... Omega Man
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11:33am Sat 22 Jun 13

Tallywhacker says...

Witch jokes. Not very safe, they might not all be nice cuddly white witches. Some of them might be evil bla....RIBBIT RIBBIT.
Witch jokes. Not very safe, they might not all be nice cuddly white witches. Some of them might be evil bla....RIBBIT RIBBIT. Tallywhacker
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11:40am Sat 22 Jun 13

medianscore says...

What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering?

One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable.

Pathetic!
What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering? One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable. Pathetic! medianscore
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12:26pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Brighton_Toffee says...

"Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling"
Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me...
Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*
"Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling" Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me... Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke* Brighton_Toffee
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12:30pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

medianscore wrote:
What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering?

One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable.

Pathetic!
I'd like to see the Witches , EDL march, Gay Pride, World Naked Bike ride and a bin strike together all on the same day.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering? One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable. Pathetic![/p][/quote]I'd like to see the Witches , EDL march, Gay Pride, World Naked Bike ride and a bin strike together all on the same day. Telscombe Cliffy
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12:47pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Brighton_Toffee wrote:
"Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling"
Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me...
Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*
Does remind me of my hygenist
[quote][p][bold]Brighton_Toffee[/bold] wrote: "Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling" Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me... Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*[/p][/quote]Does remind me of my hygenist Telscombe Cliffy
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1:32pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Brighton_Toffee wrote:
"Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling"
Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me...
Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*
Does remind me of my hygenist
That's the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth! My toupe ten are

1. No one knew she had a dental implant until it came out in conversation
2. I've been to the dentist several times so I know the drill
3. Contemplating my imminent root canal procedure was deeply unnerving.
4. I got a gold filling and put my money where my mouth is.
5. Be kind to your dentist because he has fillings too.
6. My cavity wasn't fixed by my regular dentist, but by a guy who was filling in.
7. A dentist and manicurist fought tooth and nail.
8. Dentists have their own flossify on how to keep teeth clean.
9. The dentist put braces on his patient as a stop-gap measure.
10. I got my job at the dentist's office by word of mouth.
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton_Toffee[/bold] wrote: "Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling" Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me... Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*[/p][/quote]Does remind me of my hygenist[/p][/quote]That's the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth! My toupe ten are 1. No one knew she had a dental implant until it came out in conversation 2. I've been to the dentist several times so I know the drill 3. Contemplating my imminent root canal procedure was deeply unnerving. 4. I got a gold filling and put my money where my mouth is. 5. Be kind to your dentist because he has fillings too. 6. My cavity wasn't fixed by my regular dentist, but by a guy who was filling in. 7. A dentist and manicurist fought tooth and nail. 8. Dentists have their own flossify on how to keep teeth clean. 9. The dentist put braces on his patient as a stop-gap measure. 10. I got my job at the dentist's office by word of mouth. Omega Man
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1:39pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

This gathering spells disaster!

Twins of the occult! I can never tell which witch is which

I don't usually like weirdo parades in Brighton, we have so many...but in this case..I will make a hexception

I dated one once, remembered just in time not to ask her to make me a sandwich! Anyway, we stopped seeing each other after a short spell.
This gathering spells disaster! Twins of the occult! I can never tell which witch is which I don't usually like weirdo parades in Brighton, we have so many...but in this case..I will make a hexception I dated one once, remembered just in time not to ask her to make me a sandwich! Anyway, we stopped seeing each other after a short spell. Omega Man
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2:04pm Sat 22 Jun 13

whereisthe...? says...

Brighton in a nutshell - full of psycho women who live in their own imaginary worlds...
Brighton in a nutshell - full of psycho women who live in their own imaginary worlds... whereisthe...?
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2:15pm Sat 22 Jun 13

mimseycal says...

whereisthe...? wrote:
Brighton in a nutshell - full of psycho women who live in their own imaginary worlds...
Wicca has male followers as well.
[quote][p][bold]whereisthe...?[/bold] wrote: Brighton in a nutshell - full of psycho women who live in their own imaginary worlds...[/p][/quote]Wicca has male followers as well. mimseycal
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2:33pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing. Valerie Paynter
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3:16pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Omega Man wrote:
Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
Brighton_Toffee wrote:
"Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling"
Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me...
Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*
Does remind me of my hygenist
That's the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth! My toupe ten are

1. No one knew she had a dental implant until it came out in conversation
2. I've been to the dentist several times so I know the drill
3. Contemplating my imminent root canal procedure was deeply unnerving.
4. I got a gold filling and put my money where my mouth is.
5. Be kind to your dentist because he has fillings too.
6. My cavity wasn't fixed by my regular dentist, but by a guy who was filling in.
7. A dentist and manicurist fought tooth and nail.
8. Dentists have their own flossify on how to keep teeth clean.
9. The dentist put braces on his patient as a stop-gap measure.
10. I got my job at the dentist's office by word of mouth.
There is a Scottish dentists practice in Kemptown called Ben Doon and Phil Mc Caffity.
[quote][p][bold]Omega Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton_Toffee[/bold] wrote: "Witches descend on Brighton for plaque unveiling" Sounds more like an orthodontist's convention to me... Just to save everybody else the time and effort *groans at his own weak joke*[/p][/quote]Does remind me of my hygenist[/p][/quote]That's the tooth, the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth! My toupe ten are 1. No one knew she had a dental implant until it came out in conversation 2. I've been to the dentist several times so I know the drill 3. Contemplating my imminent root canal procedure was deeply unnerving. 4. I got a gold filling and put my money where my mouth is. 5. Be kind to your dentist because he has fillings too. 6. My cavity wasn't fixed by my regular dentist, but by a guy who was filling in. 7. A dentist and manicurist fought tooth and nail. 8. Dentists have their own flossify on how to keep teeth clean. 9. The dentist put braces on his patient as a stop-gap measure. 10. I got my job at the dentist's office by word of mouth.[/p][/quote]There is a Scottish dentists practice in Kemptown called Ben Doon and Phil Mc Caffity. Telscombe Cliffy
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3:21pm Sat 22 Jun 13

mimseycal says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are.

That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.[/p][/quote]Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are. That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from. mimseycal
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4:42pm Sat 22 Jun 13

whatsisname says...

live & let live...
live & let live... whatsisname
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4:59pm Sat 22 Jun 13

petrolned says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
medianscore wrote:
What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering?

One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable.

Pathetic!
I'd like to see the Witches , EDL march, Gay Pride, World Naked Bike ride and a bin strike together all on the same day.
Surely you mean naked broom ride?
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering? One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable. Pathetic![/p][/quote]I'd like to see the Witches , EDL march, Gay Pride, World Naked Bike ride and a bin strike together all on the same day.[/p][/quote]Surely you mean naked broom ride? petrolned
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5:01pm Sat 22 Jun 13

medianscore says...

mimseycal wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are.

That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.
Just because this woman lived in Brighton and founded a so-called modern version of witchery doesn't make the place special for witches.

Surely a good place to gather would be Chanctonbury Ring or even Wilmington where Sussex folklore strongly connects these places to a mystical past.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.[/p][/quote]Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are. That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.[/p][/quote]Just because this woman lived in Brighton and founded a so-called modern version of witchery doesn't make the place special for witches. Surely a good place to gather would be Chanctonbury Ring or even Wilmington where Sussex folklore strongly connects these places to a mystical past. medianscore
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5:11pm Sat 22 Jun 13

mimseycal says...

They haven't, so far as I recollect, stated that Brighton is special for Wicca itself. However Brighton is where a prominent member lived and a placque commemorating this has been 'unveiled'.
They haven't, so far as I recollect, stated that Brighton is special for Wicca itself. However Brighton is where a prominent member lived and a placque commemorating this has been 'unveiled'. mimseycal
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5:29pm Sat 22 Jun 13

whatsisname says...

Or Clapham woods, by the "magic tree"?!
Or Clapham woods, by the "magic tree"?! whatsisname
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5:34pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Omega Man says...

I know on
Y Witches can ride broomsticks, something to do with the grip.
I know on Y Witches can ride broomsticks, something to do with the grip. Omega Man
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7:01pm Sat 22 Jun 13

ARMANA says...

SHAME, MY MRS MISSED THIS ONE,
SHAME, MY MRS MISSED THIS ONE, ARMANA
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8:34pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Bill in Hanover says...

mimseycal wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are.

That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.
Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.[/p][/quote]Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are. That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.[/p][/quote]Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being. Bill in Hanover
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8:38pm Sat 22 Jun 13

wizardluxas says...

As a teacher of witchcraft that first story of the marriage rings truth to form, an oath is an oath.. (as for the display, its just another imagery without real meaning..) she may have been a great woman, but a great witch i doubt...

neo-pagan is just modern paganism without rules, sorry but its that open, heck even aa can join them, anyone want to be a neo-pagan AA wiccan..?
As a teacher of witchcraft that first story of the marriage rings truth to form, an oath is an oath.. (as for the display, its just another imagery without real meaning..) she may have been a great woman, but a great witch i doubt... neo-pagan is just modern paganism without rules, sorry but its that open, heck even aa can join them, anyone want to be a neo-pagan AA wiccan..? wizardluxas
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8:43pm Sat 22 Jun 13

wizardluxas says...

medianscore wrote:
What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering?

One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable.

Pathetic!
correct

One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: What is it with Brighton that attracts people from around the world for a completely illogical gathering? One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery whatsoever and to gather at the Old Steine is also laughable. Pathetic![/p][/quote]correct One thing is certain, Brighton has absolutely no connection with witchcraft or witchery wizardluxas
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8:44pm Sat 22 Jun 13

wizardluxas says...

http://schoolofthema
sters.weebly.com

here is my domain..
http://schoolofthema sters.weebly.com here is my domain.. wizardluxas
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8:47pm Sat 22 Jun 13

wizardluxas says...

Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing. (ty) i been trying to say this for years..

to me and my coven i was taught, as we was taught, that its about the ritual, the silences and workings of the body and mirror of the self the rest is just dress-up to us..
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing. (ty) i been trying to say this for years.. to me and my coven i was taught, as we was taught, that its about the ritual, the silences and workings of the body and mirror of the self the rest is just dress-up to us.. wizardluxas
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9:28pm Sat 22 Jun 13

mimseycal says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are.

That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.
Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being.
There are many different strands within Neo-Paganism. The 'tradition' aspect is paganism with its various schools being modern applications and interpretations of ancient traditions.

Paganism has never really vanished but it certainly went into a decline following the emergence of Judeo-Christianity in the West. The re-emergence of Paganism was in many way a conscious rejection of Judeo-Christianity and its perceived consequences; hence the term Neo-Paganism.

Dismissing people for believing in something as numpties is rather judgemental don't you think? I know that I would greatly object to people dismissing my belief system, regardless of what form it takes, as idiotic. Most certainly if they cannot even be bothered to take the trouble to understand it.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.[/p][/quote]Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are. That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.[/p][/quote]Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being.[/p][/quote]There are many different strands within Neo-Paganism. The 'tradition' aspect is paganism with its various schools being modern applications and interpretations of ancient traditions. Paganism has never really vanished but it certainly went into a decline following the emergence of Judeo-Christianity in the West. The re-emergence of Paganism was in many way a conscious rejection of Judeo-Christianity and its perceived consequences; hence the term Neo-Paganism. Dismissing people for believing in something as numpties is rather judgemental don't you think? I know that I would greatly object to people dismissing my belief system, regardless of what form it takes, as idiotic. Most certainly if they cannot even be bothered to take the trouble to understand it. mimseycal
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10:46am Sun 23 Jun 13

jillyb1 says...

Never boring in Brighton !
Never boring in Brighton ! jillyb1
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11:58am Sun 23 Jun 13

Ghengis Khan says...

mimseycal wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Valerie Paynter wrote:
Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different.

That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.
Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are.

That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.
Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being.
There are many different strands within Neo-Paganism. The 'tradition' aspect is paganism with its various schools being modern applications and interpretations of ancient traditions.

Paganism has never really vanished but it certainly went into a decline following the emergence of Judeo-Christianity in the West. The re-emergence of Paganism was in many way a conscious rejection of Judeo-Christianity and its perceived consequences; hence the term Neo-Paganism.

Dismissing people for believing in something as numpties is rather judgemental don't you think? I know that I would greatly object to people dismissing my belief system, regardless of what form it takes, as idiotic. Most certainly if they cannot even be bothered to take the trouble to understand it.
I could not agree with you more. Whilst I do not agree with so many of the bizarre things in Brighton, Nude Bike Rides, Clock Burning, Veggies, UFO spotters, Hippies, Greens, Cyclists, LBGT Bias EDL, EDO SMASHERS, Squatters, Travelers, Useless Police, council, Paper etc..I think they all have a right to exist and, can in time, be cured.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Wicca has much in common with ancient Chinese Taoism, and the concept of Gaia at the level of simple belief....but 'witchcraft' strikes me as altogether different. That lot in the video look like 1960's and 70's hippies tricking it up as they go along - too much about theatrical embellishing.[/p][/quote]Doreen Valiente was a Wiccan in the neopagan tradition. Adherents to the school of thought she ascribed to are commonly referred to as Witches. However Wicca is not to be confused with Witchcraft. Wiccans are pagans and though some pagans are 'witches' not all pagans are. That the rituals have a lot in common with the early hippy movement (1960s and early 1970s) is not surprising as that was probably where most of the initial impetus in the re-evaluation of early paganism and the concurrent evolution of neo-paganism stems from.[/p][/quote]Could a 'Neo-pagan' actually have a tradition? wouldn't it be too contemporary to have collected any customs or traditions. Wiccans have much in common with that other bunch of numpties the 'Druids' who congregate at Stonehenge without having a clue who built it or for what purpose it was built (it was abandoned by the builders for about 2,000 years before the Druids religion came into being.[/p][/quote]There are many different strands within Neo-Paganism. The 'tradition' aspect is paganism with its various schools being modern applications and interpretations of ancient traditions. Paganism has never really vanished but it certainly went into a decline following the emergence of Judeo-Christianity in the West. The re-emergence of Paganism was in many way a conscious rejection of Judeo-Christianity and its perceived consequences; hence the term Neo-Paganism. Dismissing people for believing in something as numpties is rather judgemental don't you think? I know that I would greatly object to people dismissing my belief system, regardless of what form it takes, as idiotic. Most certainly if they cannot even be bothered to take the trouble to understand it.[/p][/quote]I could not agree with you more. Whilst I do not agree with so many of the bizarre things in Brighton, Nude Bike Rides, Clock Burning, Veggies, UFO spotters, Hippies, Greens, Cyclists, LBGT Bias EDL, EDO SMASHERS, Squatters, Travelers, Useless Police, council, Paper etc..I think they all have a right to exist and, can in time, be cured. Ghengis Khan
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12:23pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Ghengis Khan says...

They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..
They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!.. Ghengis Khan
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1:06pm Sun 23 Jun 13

sharpley says...

Ghengis Khan wrote:
They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..
Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...
[quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..[/p][/quote]Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot... sharpley
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1:21pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Ghengis Khan says...

sharpley wrote:
Ghengis Khan wrote:
They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..
Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...
The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!..

Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID!
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..[/p][/quote]Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...[/p][/quote]The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!.. Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID! Ghengis Khan
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2:30pm Sun 23 Jun 13

sharpley says...

Ghengis Khan wrote:
sharpley wrote:
Ghengis Khan wrote:
They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..
Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...
The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!..

Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID!
Cos sexist abuse is just as hilarious as domestic violence isn't it? Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..[/p][/quote]Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...[/p][/quote]The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!.. Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID![/p][/quote]Cos sexist abuse is just as hilarious as domestic violence isn't it? Idiot. sharpley
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3:00pm Sun 23 Jun 13

mimseycal says...

Okay ... you've both good it out of your system now. Can we move on? Thank you.
Okay ... you've both good it out of your system now. Can we move on? Thank you. mimseycal
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4:24pm Sun 23 Jun 13

Ghengis Khan says...

sharpley wrote:
Ghengis Khan wrote:
sharpley wrote:
Ghengis Khan wrote:
They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..
Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...
The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!..

Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID!
Cos sexist abuse is just as hilarious as domestic violence isn't it? Idiot.
HAHA You Wimmin!! You always say that! haha Actually, it is a lot funnier than coming home to find the food not on the table, kids running out of control, housework not done and the wife watching The Chaser... Now stop arguing poppet, be a love and put the kettle on. If you finish the Ironing you can watch Antiques Roadshow later. DEAL! ****
[quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sharpley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ghengis Khan[/bold] wrote: They don't all look like Tabitha from B'Witched' do they!... More like a Survivors of Domestic Violence Parade!..[/p][/quote]Cos domestic violence is hilarious isn't it? Idiot...[/p][/quote]The people in that photo look interchangeable with those in the Rise one!.. Have a Sherry love and put the dinner on will you!... Don't make me tell you again .... STUPID![/p][/quote]Cos sexist abuse is just as hilarious as domestic violence isn't it? Idiot.[/p][/quote]HAHA You Wimmin!! You always say that! haha Actually, it is a lot funnier than coming home to find the food not on the table, kids running out of control, housework not done and the wife watching The Chaser... Now stop arguing poppet, be a love and put the kettle on. If you finish the Ironing you can watch Antiques Roadshow later. DEAL! **** Ghengis Khan
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11:57pm Sun 23 Jun 13

JodiGriffin says...

Glad to see the High Priest was in the Army - I am services (born and bred on a military base) and I turned to Paganism after a C of E vicar refused to Xian me on the grounds that he didn't think I needed it (and yet I am not 'done' ) ......having been brought up with sunday school - my whole world fell to pieces.........today I practice the milder, less abusive, more passive religion of Paganism - Blessed Be
Glad to see the High Priest was in the Army - I am services (born and bred on a military base) and I turned to Paganism after a C of E vicar refused to Xian me on the grounds that he didn't think I needed it (and yet I am not 'done' ) ......having been brought up with sunday school - my whole world fell to pieces.........today I practice the milder, less abusive, more passive religion of Paganism - Blessed Be JodiGriffin
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12:09pm Mon 24 Jun 13

womanofsubstance says...

We went to watch it and thought it was a fun and eccentric event, like watching the queue for HRT .
We went to watch it and thought it was a fun and eccentric event, like watching the queue for HRT . womanofsubstance
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2:49pm Mon 24 Jun 13

Greenmantle says...

"Just because this woman lived in Brighton and founded a so-called modern version of witchery doesn't make the place special for witches."

Sussex IS a special place for witches and Doreen lived and died in Brighton. There are many witches and Pagans in Brighton - just because you are ignorant of them doesn't make your opinion valid. Also, Doreen was not just a witch but also a writer and poet - so would you decry Dickens or Shakespeare a commemorative plaque?
"Just because this woman lived in Brighton and founded a so-called modern version of witchery doesn't make the place special for witches." Sussex IS a special place for witches and Doreen lived and died in Brighton. There are many witches and Pagans in Brighton - just because you are ignorant of them doesn't make your opinion valid. Also, Doreen was not just a witch but also a writer and poet - so would you decry Dickens or Shakespeare a commemorative plaque? Greenmantle
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4:57pm Tue 25 Jun 13

Number Six says...

This sounds like they are making a cheap sequel.

The Witches of Southwick.
This sounds like they are making a cheap sequel. The Witches of Southwick. Number Six
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