Height of stupidity: Teens climb Brighton buildings in dangerous craze

Height of stupidity of teens climbing Brighton buildings in dangerous craze

Height of stupidity of teens climbing Brighton buildings in dangerous craze

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These reckless thrillseekers are risking their lives by scaling the city's rooftops.

The actions of the daredevil group have been slammed as the “height of stupidity” after The Argus tracked down their boastful pictures online.

Andy Reynolds, director for prevention and protection at East Sussex Fire and Rescue, said the climbers were “irresponsible and reckless”.

He added: “It's the height of stupidity. We cannot afford to be attending potential callouts to people like this when there are serious emergencies taking place across the county.”

The apparently fearless youngsters, aged between 14 and 24 and mostly from Brighton, defended their behaviour by claiming they were “experienced” and “knew their limits”.

The Argus has uncovered videos and pictures of around ten parkour freerunners jumping on rooftops, freestanding pillars and industrial cranes.

During the latest stunt on Saturday night, a group of boys were snapped climbing on the rooftop of the 17-storey Hereford Court tower block in Hereford Street, Kemp Town.

Sussex Police received a complaint but said no criminal offence had been committed.

Eyewitnesses at the nearby Sidewinder pub described how the boys were “jumping from the rooftop to a pillar”.

When The Argus tracked the group down, they admitted previously scaling other terrifyingly tall structures, including the Brighton Wheel and a crane on the building site of the New England Quarter development site in Fleet Street, Brighton.

In a video posted on YouTube last week, the group can be seen scaling the giant crane without any safety equipment.

They dangerously dangle their legs over the top of the crane, peering perilously down to the street below.

In other pictures uploaded to a photo sharing website, they can be seen dangling with one arm from the top of another tall building in Brighton.

The photo is captioned: “Sorry Mum”.

Sacha Powell, a member of the group, said scaling structures was “simply fun”.

The 19-year-old, freelance filmmaker, said: “We do this simply because it's fun. When you overcome a new challenge you are filled with a great sense of achievement.

“We assess every situation with great detail and only proceed if everything is okay.

“We've been training Parkour for seven to eight years now. I started when I was 12.”

Asked whether he thought his group's actions were reckless, he said: “We say we're experienced, we don't do anything out of our limits and we know our limits perfectly.

“We climb for the lovely view at the top.”

The Argus:

Brian Snow, of Avalon Guest Accommodation in Upper Rock Gardens, Brighton, saw the group dangerously standing on top of the Hereford Court tower block on Saturday evening.

He said: “I just thought 'wow.' They had their arms out stretched and were jumping back and forth from a pillar to the roof.”

Gill Mitchell, Labour Councillor for East Brighton, said the group's behaviour was “reckless and akin to jumping from the groynes into shallow water”.

Inspector Gareth Davies, of Sussex Police, confirmed officers received a call from concerned residents in Kemp Town after the group were photographed on top of Hereford Court.

He added: “By the time we arrived they had gone.

"Our message is don't climb buildings and structures. It is extremely dangerous and a concern to the residents living in those buildings or nearby."

BOX - Sacha Powell, 19, a freelance filmmaker and Parkour enthusiast.

Parkour is about overcoming physical and mental obstacles whether at ground level or up at height.

It covers a great range of movements taking inspiration from other sports and art forms.

“It was founded in a suburb of Paris called Lisses but has evolved and grown worldwide into something much more broader than any of the founders anticipated.

The Argus:

“A common training day is based around simply having fun and going out, finding personal challenges and overcoming them.

“You only try what you know you're capable of doing. Knowing your limits comes with many years of practice. The fundamentals should be trained and drilled at ground level before taking it to a height.

“It might seem and look dangerous to other people. That doesn't mean it's dangerous for us. We've literally been living this stuff for years. We've practiced the techniques and movements required for the climbs a thousand times before taking it up at height.

“We know what surfaces and stuff to trust and it is important to know as we're trusting our lives with it. We rarely take risks with challenges at height. If it were really as risky as the public perceive it, the death toll of Parkour would be a great deal higher than it is.

“We try to limit little missions like this for night time to stay discreet and not to raise alert of the police, but sometimes it's hard to resist getting some amazing pictures and videos of the sunset over the city skyline.

“We have no great fear of the consequences enforced by police. They are usually very nice and understanding, and usually a bit shocked, but we usually stay discreet because we don't really want to have our fun at other people's expense.

“We appreciate that the police may have more important things to deal with.

“Some of us have normal jobs, like working in Tesco and I'm a young freelance filmmaker, and we vary between the ages of 14 and 24.”

The Argus:

What is Parkour?

Parkour is described as a “holistic training discipline” that develops one's ability mental and physical ability overcome obstacles.

It's thought to have been developed in the late 1980s in Lisses, a suburb of Paris, by Raymond Belle, David Belle and Sébastien Foucan.

The Argus used image manipulation detection software to check the authenticity of these amazing Parkour photos.

The software uses a range of methods to analyse a photo to see if there are any signs of the photo being altered.

The photos used in the newspaper were run through the software and no alternation was detected.

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8:15am Thu 11 Jul 13

NickBrt says...

If they fall their families will soon bleat about health and safety and why wasn't something done to stop them? Leave them where they are i say and if they fall so what.
If they fall their families will soon bleat about health and safety and why wasn't something done to stop them? Leave them where they are i say and if they fall so what. NickBrt
  • Score: -2

8:35am Thu 11 Jul 13

kopite_rob says...

Its no different to free climbing, soloing or bouldering (of which there is an excellent facility in Hove) and hundreds of people do these activities every week all over the UK, it just happens to be in an urban environment where people get to witness the physical and mental agility & ability of the sport.
What they don't see is the hours and hours of training and practice at ground level that takes place before attempting even low level obstacles.

Ironically one of the worlds most recognised solo free climbers died last year from falling downstairs at his home.
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Its no different to free climbing, soloing or bouldering (of which there is an excellent facility in Hove) and hundreds of people do these activities every week all over the UK, it just happens to be in an urban environment where people get to witness the physical and mental agility & ability of the sport. What they don't see is the hours and hours of training and practice at ground level that takes place before attempting even low level obstacles. Ironically one of the worlds most recognised solo free climbers died last year from falling downstairs at his home. . kopite_rob
  • Score: 4

8:50am Thu 11 Jul 13

Crystal Ball says...

Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action.
Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action. Crystal Ball
  • Score: -2

8:51am Thu 11 Jul 13

HJarrs says...

Parkour is an amazing spectacle that demonstates the incredible ability of the human body and mind when trained to a peak of condition.

However, it is a quick and permanent way to lose friends! I could never have done it. Way too chicken and wish that Parkours practioners would not go to such death defying extremes; I don't want to be reading their obituries in the Argus.

I think calling Parkour reckless is not going to effective; the risks should be sensibly and rationally pointed out and safer alternatives provided. However, if someone is going to practice Parkour there is not much that can be done about it.
Parkour is an amazing spectacle that demonstates the incredible ability of the human body and mind when trained to a peak of condition. However, it is a quick and permanent way to lose friends! I could never have done it. Way too chicken and wish that Parkours practioners would not go to such death defying extremes; I don't want to be reading their obituries in the Argus. I think calling Parkour reckless is not going to effective; the risks should be sensibly and rationally pointed out and safer alternatives provided. However, if someone is going to practice Parkour there is not much that can be done about it. HJarrs
  • Score: 0

8:55am Thu 11 Jul 13

spa301 says...

Personally I find their physical skill and nerve impressive.
I would have thought far more teens drain the resources of the emergency services via alcohol, drugs and obesity than this group do.
All the best to them. Health and safety is an ****.
Personally I find their physical skill and nerve impressive. I would have thought far more teens drain the resources of the emergency services via alcohol, drugs and obesity than this group do. All the best to them. Health and safety is an ****. spa301
  • Score: 9

9:26am Thu 11 Jul 13

Dyingflutchman says...

Much better than being stuck at home on the computer, I say. Good on them.
Much better than being stuck at home on the computer, I say. Good on them. Dyingflutchman
  • Score: 8

9:48am Thu 11 Jul 13

bikerjimbo says...

Very impressed with the above comments and I am amazed at these kids. I also agree that the emergency services spend more of their time and our money dealing with 'yobbery' than these thrill seekers. H&S is about using common sense and these people appear to do research before attempting anything too risky. Obviously there is a risk but that is where the thrill is and the achievement. The authorities have to state the dangers my only concern now is that with this publicity others less experienced and, dare I say stupid, will have a go with the inevitable consequences.
Very impressed with the above comments and I am amazed at these kids. I also agree that the emergency services spend more of their time and our money dealing with 'yobbery' than these thrill seekers. H&S is about using common sense and these people appear to do research before attempting anything too risky. Obviously there is a risk but that is where the thrill is and the achievement. The authorities have to state the dangers my only concern now is that with this publicity others less experienced and, dare I say stupid, will have a go with the inevitable consequences. bikerjimbo
  • Score: 2

9:48am Thu 11 Jul 13

bikerjimbo says...

Very impressed with the above comments and I am amazed at these kids. I also agree that the emergency services spend more of their time and our money dealing with 'yobbery' than these thrill seekers. H&S is about using common sense and these people appear to do research before attempting anything too risky. Obviously there is a risk but that is where the thrill is and the achievement. The authorities have to state the dangers my only concern now is that with this publicity others less experienced and, dare I say stupid, will have a go with the inevitable consequences.
Very impressed with the above comments and I am amazed at these kids. I also agree that the emergency services spend more of their time and our money dealing with 'yobbery' than these thrill seekers. H&S is about using common sense and these people appear to do research before attempting anything too risky. Obviously there is a risk but that is where the thrill is and the achievement. The authorities have to state the dangers my only concern now is that with this publicity others less experienced and, dare I say stupid, will have a go with the inevitable consequences. bikerjimbo
  • Score: 0

9:50am Thu 11 Jul 13

jc897 says...

That's not freerunning or parkour, that's just kids climbing a crane to a very bad soundtrack. The crane operator does that every day for their job, but probably has better taste in music.
That's not freerunning or parkour, that's just kids climbing a crane to a very bad soundtrack. The crane operator does that every day for their job, but probably has better taste in music. jc897
  • Score: 9

10:07am Thu 11 Jul 13

Ihopenoonehasthisusername says...

jc897 wrote:
That's not freerunning or parkour, that's just kids climbing a crane to a very bad soundtrack. The crane operator does that every day for their job, but probably has better taste in music.
I agree. I love watching parkour and freerunning - it is very skilled. Climbing that crane isn't it. Any stupid kid can do that.
[quote][p][bold]jc897[/bold] wrote: That's not freerunning or parkour, that's just kids climbing a crane to a very bad soundtrack. The crane operator does that every day for their job, but probably has better taste in music.[/p][/quote]I agree. I love watching parkour and freerunning - it is very skilled. Climbing that crane isn't it. Any stupid kid can do that. Ihopenoonehasthisusername
  • Score: 5

10:10am Thu 11 Jul 13

OPS1 says...

spa301 wrote:
Personally I find their physical skill and nerve impressive.
I would have thought far more teens drain the resources of the emergency services via alcohol, drugs and obesity than this group do.
All the best to them. Health and safety is an ****.
Although I do find their skill and nerves impressive, to say h & s is an ****, is ridiculous.

How would feel if one of these kids fell off a public building or structure, and landed on a young family or totally innocent person going about their business?

Being licenced and tested in dangerous sports, lessens the risks to not only participants, but also members of the public!

The reason we have so many safety restrictions on our sporting or day-to-day activities, is because people have died or injured themselves or others doing the same thing!
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: Personally I find their physical skill and nerve impressive. I would have thought far more teens drain the resources of the emergency services via alcohol, drugs and obesity than this group do. All the best to them. Health and safety is an ****.[/p][/quote]Although I do find their skill and nerves impressive, to say h & s is an ****, is ridiculous. How would feel if one of these kids fell off a public building or structure, and landed on a young family or totally innocent person going about their business? Being licenced and tested in dangerous sports, lessens the risks to not only participants, but also members of the public! The reason we have so many safety restrictions on our sporting or day-to-day activities, is because people have died or injured themselves or others doing the same thing! OPS1
  • Score: 2

10:12am Thu 11 Jul 13

Brighton Living says...

If they do slip then it's game over!

Best hope when erecting the cranes the workmen don't spill any grease or oil.......
If they do slip then it's game over! Best hope when erecting the cranes the workmen don't spill any grease or oil....... Brighton Living
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 11 Jul 13

Bob Day says...

I'm assuming their motivation is the same as someone wanting to climb Everest or go into space etc. I'm way too cowardly to do it myself but I'm in awe of their bravery and wish I had even a teaspoon of it myself.

BTW Argus: another simplistic poll with limited options to a loaded question.
I'm assuming their motivation is the same as someone wanting to climb Everest or go into space etc. I'm way too cowardly to do it myself but I'm in awe of their bravery and wish I had even a teaspoon of it myself. BTW Argus: another simplistic poll with limited options to a loaded question. Bob Day
  • Score: 4

11:08am Thu 11 Jul 13

monkeymoo says...

Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot.

No ones life is at risk...accept their own.
It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others.

There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood.

Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?
Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot. No ones life is at risk...accept their own. It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others. There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood. Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!? monkeymoo
  • Score: -3

11:12am Thu 11 Jul 13

ThinkBrighton says...

There will be an incident, and all the do gooders will be up in arms, but they were warned, so end of story
Just hose down the pavement so that it doesn't break any health and safety regs.
There will be an incident, and all the do gooders will be up in arms, but they were warned, so end of story Just hose down the pavement so that it doesn't break any health and safety regs. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 2

11:16am Thu 11 Jul 13

OPS1 says...

monkeymoo wrote:
Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot.

No ones life is at risk...accept their own.
It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others.

There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood.

Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?
So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them?

I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives!
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot. No ones life is at risk...accept their own. It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others. There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood. Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?[/p][/quote]So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them? I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives! OPS1
  • Score: 0

11:18am Thu 11 Jul 13

Hooitness says...

Just wait till one of them lands on you from 80ft above and then see how harmless it is.

I have no problem with them endangering themselves, but what about those below them?
Just wait till one of them lands on you from 80ft above and then see how harmless it is. I have no problem with them endangering themselves, but what about those below them? Hooitness
  • Score: 1

11:48am Thu 11 Jul 13

charlie smirke says...

The problem is going to be if one of them falls, the parents will then want to sue the building's owners for not preventing access. Surely if the laws of trespass still existed, they could be prosecuted for being there in the first place?
The problem is going to be if one of them falls, the parents will then want to sue the building's owners for not preventing access. Surely if the laws of trespass still existed, they could be prosecuted for being there in the first place? charlie smirke
  • Score: 1

11:56am Thu 11 Jul 13

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Bring back conkers and protective clothing, etc. I say!
Bring back conkers and protective clothing, etc. I say! Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: -1

12:05pm Thu 11 Jul 13

weareacronymous says...

This is awesome.

And all the best to the obviously enthused chap above digging our tunes, have a good day son!
This is awesome. And all the best to the obviously enthused chap above digging our tunes, have a good day son! weareacronymous
  • Score: 1

12:08pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Man With No Name says...

Someone hitting the floor from less than half that height is not a pleasant sight to witness, unfortunately its not necessarilly just them and their families that are affected if they fall.
Someone hitting the floor from less than half that height is not a pleasant sight to witness, unfortunately its not necessarilly just them and their families that are affected if they fall. Man With No Name
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Man With No Name says...

Also, you can pretty much guarantee our bizarre legal system would hold someone else responsible for their deaths (building owner, builders etc).
Also, you can pretty much guarantee our bizarre legal system would hold someone else responsible for their deaths (building owner, builders etc). Man With No Name
  • Score: 0

12:25pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Acronymous says...

Who's the soundtrack by? Oh yeah.. http://m.soundcloud.
com/acronymous

we are anonymous.
Who's the soundtrack by? Oh yeah.. http://m.soundcloud. com/acronymous we are anonymous. Acronymous
  • Score: 0

12:44pm Thu 11 Jul 13

tyekkonderoga says...

Have you noticed that with real Parkour the person doing it doesn't do that pose for a photo to say 'look how big and bad I am!'?

It's the same kind of kids who jump two foot from one low wall to another, then congratulate themselves on how amazing they are for doing so.

Anyone can do these things. Real parkour takes training, and these lads have just strolled up and climbed.

Sadly, if they become a pile of strawberry jam on the pavement, mummy and daddy are never going to blame their child, are they?
Have you noticed that with real Parkour the person doing it doesn't do that pose for a photo to say 'look how big and bad I am!'? It's the same kind of kids who jump two foot from one low wall to another, then congratulate themselves on how amazing they are for doing so. Anyone can do these things. Real parkour takes training, and these lads have just strolled up and climbed. Sadly, if they become a pile of strawberry jam on the pavement, mummy and daddy are never going to blame their child, are they? tyekkonderoga
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Thu 11 Jul 13

anonymous coward says...

Disgraceful! Why aren't they sitting in front of the TV buying things they don't need like everyone else?
Disgraceful! Why aren't they sitting in front of the TV buying things they don't need like everyone else? anonymous coward
  • Score: 2

1:08pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Number Six says...

I thought this was the big thing in 2006 when it featured in Casino Royale. Good old Brighton, always behind everyone else.
I thought this was the big thing in 2006 when it featured in Casino Royale. Good old Brighton, always behind everyone else. Number Six
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

NickBrt wrote:
If they fall their families will soon bleat about health and safety and why wasn't something done to stop them? Leave them where they are i say and if they fall so what.
yeah kind of agree, if they do make a mistake and fall it will be a very sticky and messy end for them that someone has to see and clean up. They prob think it wont happen to them.

I hate heights and just looking at those pictures makes me nervous!
[quote][p][bold]NickBrt[/bold] wrote: If they fall their families will soon bleat about health and safety and why wasn't something done to stop them? Leave them where they are i say and if they fall so what.[/p][/quote]yeah kind of agree, if they do make a mistake and fall it will be a very sticky and messy end for them that someone has to see and clean up. They prob think it wont happen to them. I hate heights and just looking at those pictures makes me nervous! Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 0

1:18pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

Kids out getting exercise, staying fit, setting themselves personal challenges and overcoming them. Far more positives to this parkour thing than negatives. Good luck to the lads for having a hobby that doesn't involve playing computer games, x boxes, watching dross on TV, getting drunk, taking drugs, vandalising things, threatening people etc etc.
Some people just like to find fault and criticise but I find these young people impressive and inspirational.
I wouldn't do it myself though - I'm scared of heights.
Kids out getting exercise, staying fit, setting themselves personal challenges and overcoming them. Far more positives to this parkour thing than negatives. Good luck to the lads for having a hobby that doesn't involve playing computer games, x boxes, watching dross on TV, getting drunk, taking drugs, vandalising things, threatening people etc etc. Some people just like to find fault and criticise but I find these young people impressive and inspirational. I wouldn't do it myself though - I'm scared of heights. sussexram40
  • Score: 2

1:33pm Thu 11 Jul 13

monkeymoo says...

OPS1 wrote:
monkeymoo wrote:
Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot.

No ones life is at risk...accept their own.
It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others.

There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood.

Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?
So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them?

I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives!
Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'?

I always thought that they would be well trained and have good working equipment.
If the structure they were climbing was unsafe, then maybe there is a possibility of danger...but that would be a different matter.
If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it.

So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters!
[quote][p][bold]OPS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot. No ones life is at risk...accept their own. It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others. There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood. Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?[/p][/quote]So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them? I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives![/p][/quote]Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'? I always thought that they would be well trained and have good working equipment. If the structure they were climbing was unsafe, then maybe there is a possibility of danger...but that would be a different matter. If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it. So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters! monkeymoo
  • Score: -2

1:40pm Thu 11 Jul 13

DC Brighton says...

I struggle to comprehend how an offence had not been committed. Surely they were trespassing?

If they decided to climb up the side of my building, I would expect something to be done about it to prevent any damage.

Oh, and if that was my son he'd be "grounded"!
I struggle to comprehend how an offence had not been committed. Surely they were trespassing? If they decided to climb up the side of my building, I would expect something to be done about it to prevent any damage. Oh, and if that was my son he'd be "grounded"! DC Brighton
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Rita Snatch says...

Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass.

They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity!
Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass. They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity! Rita Snatch
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Baz from sussex says...

Why is the fire service moaning about this? When 4 engines are used to rescue a f******g sea gull from a roof. If the prats fall so be it.
Why is the fire service moaning about this? When 4 engines are used to rescue a f******g sea gull from a roof. If the prats fall so be it. Baz from sussex
  • Score: 1

2:38pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

I thought trespassing wasnt a criminal offence. it never used to be at any rate. if so all manner of people would guilty every day - often by accident.
I thought trespassing wasnt a criminal offence. it never used to be at any rate. if so all manner of people would guilty every day - often by accident. sussexram40
  • Score: 0

2:41pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

Rita Snatch wrote:
Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass.

They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity!
Would you be happier if they were tearing round on motorbikes or tomb stoning off the pier? Stats show parkour is pretty safe - reason being these people and the other expert groups round the country - are highly skilled, do a lot of training and know what they're doing. yes accidents can heppen - but a lot more likely on a road
[quote][p][bold]Rita Snatch[/bold] wrote: Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass. They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity![/p][/quote]Would you be happier if they were tearing round on motorbikes or tomb stoning off the pier? Stats show parkour is pretty safe - reason being these people and the other expert groups round the country - are highly skilled, do a lot of training and know what they're doing. yes accidents can heppen - but a lot more likely on a road sussexram40
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RickH says...

Good for them. And 'Boo' to the moral relativists; I wonder how many of you drive breaking the speed limit and are way more likely to cause injury or death as a result!
Good for them. And 'Boo' to the moral relativists; I wonder how many of you drive breaking the speed limit and are way more likely to cause injury or death as a result! RickH
  • Score: 1

3:14pm Thu 11 Jul 13

OPS1 says...

monkeymoo wrote:
OPS1 wrote:
monkeymoo wrote:
Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot.

No ones life is at risk...accept their own.
It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others.

There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood.

Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?
So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them?

I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives!
Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'?

I always thought that they would be well trained and have good working equipment.
If the structure they were climbing was unsafe, then maybe there is a possibility of danger...but that would be a different matter.
If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it.

So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters!
“Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'?” No matter how well trained the crews are, and how good the equipment is, the element of danger cannot be totally eliminated. Did you know for example, that people with head injuries are often combative, aggressive or uncooperative? This is common, and can usually be dealt with, but when the casualty is in a precarious position such as on a ledge or dangerous structure, during an extrication the danger for the rescuers increases exponentially.
“If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it” No they wouldn’t, structural engineers would!
“So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters!” Having spent years in the London Ambulance Service, and having worked very closely with the Fire & Rescue Service and Police on many rescues, I still think I may know a bit more than you!
And another point, I have never been to any rescue (and I have been involved in many) where a casualty is in danger, where any of the services have waited for the all-clear from a surveyor or key holder before tending to the casualty. When the services arrive at scene, we did a dynamic risk assessment, where we would evaluate and eliminate as many risks as possible, but sometimes if the danger to the casualty is so great, we would go for it, that is the nature of the job! If I saw a kid in trouble on a dangerous structure, I couldn’t stand by and watch them fall off, while waiting for plans or blueprints and I would suggest most Police & Fire & Rescue personnel would do the same.
[quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OPS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeymoo[/bold] wrote: Andy Reynolds (ESFRS) sounds like a typical 'jobs worth' idiot. No ones life is at risk...accept their own. It is their choice to do as they wish, as long as it causes no harm to others. There are many sports in which Britain excels...due to the athletes doing things like this since childhood. Driving a car is far more dangerous. Maybe we should all stop doing that Andy!?[/p][/quote]So if one of these kids fell from a crane, and got injured and stuck in a precarious position, ESFRS could just refuse to put their crews in danger, and leave them? I'm afraid you and they have no real understanding of the dangers they pose to themselves and subsequently other peoples lives![/p][/quote]Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'? I always thought that they would be well trained and have good working equipment. If the structure they were climbing was unsafe, then maybe there is a possibility of danger...but that would be a different matter. If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it. So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters![/p][/quote]“Please explain how the crews would be 'in danger'?” No matter how well trained the crews are, and how good the equipment is, the element of danger cannot be totally eliminated. Did you know for example, that people with head injuries are often combative, aggressive or uncooperative? This is common, and can usually be dealt with, but when the casualty is in a precarious position such as on a ledge or dangerous structure, during an extrication the danger for the rescuers increases exponentially. “If the structure was unsafe, then the crews would be 'in danger' anyway, as they would be called out to secure it. regardless of whether anyone had climbed it” No they wouldn’t, structural engineers would! “So...It is clear that YOU have no understanding of these matters!” Having spent years in the London Ambulance Service, and having worked very closely with the Fire & Rescue Service and Police on many rescues, I still think I may know a bit more than you! And another point, I have never been to any rescue (and I have been involved in many) where a casualty is in danger, where any of the services have waited for the all-clear from a surveyor or key holder before tending to the casualty. When the services arrive at scene, we did a dynamic risk assessment, where we would evaluate and eliminate as many risks as possible, but sometimes if the danger to the casualty is so great, we would go for it, that is the nature of the job! If I saw a kid in trouble on a dangerous structure, I couldn’t stand by and watch them fall off, while waiting for plans or blueprints and I would suggest most Police & Fire & Rescue personnel would do the same. OPS1
  • Score: 0

3:26pm Thu 11 Jul 13

In the sticks says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Rita Snatch wrote:
Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass.

They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity!
Would you be happier if they were tearing round on motorbikes or tomb stoning off the pier? Stats show parkour is pretty safe - reason being these people and the other expert groups round the country - are highly skilled, do a lot of training and know what they're doing. yes accidents can heppen - but a lot more likely on a road
'Tombstoning off the pier':

You should see their other video on Youtube then ;)
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rita Snatch[/bold] wrote: Stupid... they should be in Court charged with trespass. They have no concern for the Emergency Services who will have to deal with all the problems caused as a result of these kids stupidity![/p][/quote]Would you be happier if they were tearing round on motorbikes or tomb stoning off the pier? Stats show parkour is pretty safe - reason being these people and the other expert groups round the country - are highly skilled, do a lot of training and know what they're doing. yes accidents can heppen - but a lot more likely on a road[/p][/quote]'Tombstoning off the pier': You should see their other video on Youtube then ;) In the sticks
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Thu 11 Jul 13

tooned_in says...

Cant believe how dangerous this is and how blahzy the kids are about it!
Only a matter of time before someone slips and a fall of these kinds of heights onto concrete safe to say your turned into people pate and taken home to mum and dad in a matchbox.

Dont do it is the advice of this poster!
Cant believe how dangerous this is and how blahzy the kids are about it! Only a matter of time before someone slips and a fall of these kinds of heights onto concrete safe to say your turned into people pate and taken home to mum and dad in a matchbox. Dont do it is the advice of this poster! tooned_in
  • Score: -2

4:26pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Number Six says...

sussexram40 wrote:
I thought trespassing wasnt a criminal offence. it never used to be at any rate. if so all manner of people would guilty every day - often by accident.
It's not. Trespass is a civil offence, not a criminal offence. The phrase "Trespassers will be prosecuted" is wrong. Only criminal cases can be prosecuted in court.

Personally if they want to splatter what passes for their brains all over the pavement that's their lookout. It won't keep me awake at night. It's the person that they fall on top of that I'm more concerned about
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: I thought trespassing wasnt a criminal offence. it never used to be at any rate. if so all manner of people would guilty every day - often by accident.[/p][/quote]It's not. Trespass is a civil offence, not a criminal offence. The phrase "Trespassers will be prosecuted" is wrong. Only criminal cases can be prosecuted in court. Personally if they want to splatter what passes for their brains all over the pavement that's their lookout. It won't keep me awake at night. It's the person that they fall on top of that I'm more concerned about Number Six
  • Score: 0

4:34pm Thu 11 Jul 13

tragicwaste says...

ONCE AGAIN THE ARGUS CREATING A WHIRLWIND FROM NOTHING - FIND SOME REAL NEWS.
ONCE AGAIN THE ARGUS CREATING A WHIRLWIND FROM NOTHING - FIND SOME REAL NEWS. tragicwaste
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Take it Personally says...

little buggers! They've got some amazing photos! I bet their mum's will kill them!
little buggers! They've got some amazing photos! I bet their mum's will kill them! Take it Personally
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

Great photos and I'm finding it hard not to admire their fitness, agility and above all their bravery. This is 2013 urban Britain at it's finest.
Great photos and I'm finding it hard not to admire their fitness, agility and above all their bravery. This is 2013 urban Britain at it's finest. sussexram40
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Thu 11 Jul 13

BornInBrighton1968 says...

Crystal Ball wrote:
Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action.
I would agree with you, but my only concern would be that if one of these stupid brats fell to their death, they might land on and injure an innocent passer-by
[quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action.[/p][/quote]I would agree with you, but my only concern would be that if one of these stupid brats fell to their death, they might land on and injure an innocent passer-by BornInBrighton1968
  • Score: 0

6:09pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

BornInBrighton1968 wrote:
Crystal Ball wrote:
Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action.
I would agree with you, but my only concern would be that if one of these stupid brats fell to their death, they might land on and injure an innocent passer-by
I do think you should google to find out what parkour is, its history and the incredible abilities of those who have taken up the hobby. Dismissing the parkour groups "stupid brats" is a bit silly and childish. You make them sound like a bunch of yobs who hang about outside the late store smoking, swearing and drinking. Parkour is taken very seriously and these people train hard - practising incredible moves, rolls and leaps. They dont just climb up onto roofs and jump about without knowing what they're doing!! That WOULD be total madness and highly dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]BornInBrighton1968[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crystal Ball[/bold] wrote: Don't stop them. Just stand back and watch the next candidates for the Darwin Awards in action.[/p][/quote]I would agree with you, but my only concern would be that if one of these stupid brats fell to their death, they might land on and injure an innocent passer-by[/p][/quote]I do think you should google to find out what parkour is, its history and the incredible abilities of those who have taken up the hobby. Dismissing the parkour groups "stupid brats" is a bit silly and childish. You make them sound like a bunch of yobs who hang about outside the late store smoking, swearing and drinking. Parkour is taken very seriously and these people train hard - practising incredible moves, rolls and leaps. They dont just climb up onto roofs and jump about without knowing what they're doing!! That WOULD be total madness and highly dangerous. sussexram40
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Thu 11 Jul 13

RottingdeanBAH27 says...

Am I the only one thinking that they have achieved what they wanted maximum publicity and front page of the paper.

It's crazy that this is the top story, guessing that it's been a quiet few days in Brighton and Hove.
Am I the only one thinking that they have achieved what they wanted maximum publicity and front page of the paper. It's crazy that this is the top story, guessing that it's been a quiet few days in Brighton and Hove. RottingdeanBAH27
  • Score: 0

7:14pm Thu 11 Jul 13

PorkBoat says...

Makes my toes curl! I don't think you'd need Fire or Ambulance crews if someone fell from that height, just a workman with a shovel and a bin bag, and a coroners van. You can turn the hoses on whats left on the pavement! Good luck, hope no one gets killed.
Makes my toes curl! I don't think you'd need Fire or Ambulance crews if someone fell from that height, just a workman with a shovel and a bin bag, and a coroners van. You can turn the hoses on whats left on the pavement! Good luck, hope no one gets killed. PorkBoat
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Thu 11 Jul 13

hubby says...

So they're nuts!
So they think they are indestructible.
Haven't most young men since time began?
They aren't hurting anybody else.
I wouldn't want to clean up the mess,or even have to see the mess if one of them was to fall.
So they're nuts! So they think they are indestructible. Haven't most young men since time began? They aren't hurting anybody else. I wouldn't want to clean up the mess,or even have to see the mess if one of them was to fall. hubby
  • Score: -1

7:47pm Thu 11 Jul 13

sussexlad says...

Leave me to it you learn from your mistakes lol
Leave me to it you learn from your mistakes lol sussexlad
  • Score: -1

8:14pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Brightonlad86 says...

Let them carry on!!

This country happily puts youngers on the front line, in a far more dangerous environment.

However, I don't believe the tax payer should be forced to pick up the pieces if these stunts go t1ts up.
Let them carry on!! This country happily puts youngers on the front line, in a far more dangerous environment. However, I don't believe the tax payer should be forced to pick up the pieces if these stunts go t1ts up. Brightonlad86
  • Score: -1

9:39pm Thu 11 Jul 13

vivahate says...

Looks like a laugh.
Looks like a laugh. vivahate
  • Score: -1

10:11pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

Many moons ago when I was young and through no fault of my own I climbed high structures.
I was encouraged to do so and in fact would have been seen as some kind of coward it I didn't.
There was no safety equipment of any kind and we did this on a regular basis with little or no training.

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Many moons ago when I was young and through no fault of my own I climbed high structures. I was encouraged to do so and in fact would have been seen as some kind of coward it I didn't. There was no safety equipment of any kind and we did this on a regular basis with little or no training. http://www.google.co .uk/imgres?imgurl=ht tp://barryknell.file s.wordpress.com/2010 /10/ganges-mast.jpg& imgrefurl=http://bar ryknell.wordpress.co m/tag/ganges/&h=500& w=397&sz=95&tbnid=v0 lK4qurL2NwYM:&tbnh=1 02&tbnw=81&zoom=1&us g=__RVu721hWUFwRYiW5 yWuaZPLRUos=&docid=l 3oNrLSPV9R4jM&sa=X&e i=wh7fUafYOaGs0QXH-4 H4Cg&ved=0CEMQ9QEwBQ &dur=163 Yet oddly I survived and from what I remember so did the vast majority of the rest of my ilk. Old Ladys Gin
  • Score: 0

10:17pm Thu 11 Jul 13

NIMBY hater says...

Let them carry on with it. If they're going to die through it, I just hope they don't achieve it by falling on me. I'd sue them.
Let them carry on with it. If they're going to die through it, I just hope they don't achieve it by falling on me. I'd sue them. NIMBY hater
  • Score: 0

10:34pm Thu 11 Jul 13

PorkBoat says...

Eeeh if my dad were alive today, he'd be turning in his grave. If you want to do it, fine, but if you fall and kill yourselves, don't come running to me.
Eeeh if my dad were alive today, he'd be turning in his grave. If you want to do it, fine, but if you fall and kill yourselves, don't come running to me. PorkBoat
  • Score: 1

11:01pm Thu 11 Jul 13

callunlavington says...

You want to know what I think.
I think you should just let us have our fun.
With all respect we know you are concerned for our health and safety, but like in the reports it isn't a criminal offence. We know our limits and we know what we are doing, we train ourselves up!
I think your writers and your editors are exaggerating entirely and if you would like to know what it is really like, come watch us do the whole think, instead of making up some **** and bull article on it. we all agree, you've gone too far this time
You want to know what I think. I think you should just let us have our fun. With all respect we know you are concerned for our health and safety, but like in the reports it isn't a criminal offence. We know our limits and we know what we are doing, we train ourselves up! I think your writers and your editors are exaggerating entirely and if you would like to know what it is really like, come watch us do the whole think, instead of making up some **** and bull article on it. we all agree, you've gone too far this time callunlavington
  • Score: -2

4:14am Fri 12 Jul 13

Freedominmovement says...

tyekkonderoga wrote:
Have you noticed that with real Parkour the person doing it doesn't do that pose for a photo to say 'look how big and bad I am!'?

It's the same kind of kids who jump two foot from one low wall to another, then congratulate themselves on how amazing they are for doing so.

Anyone can do these things. Real parkour takes training, and these lads have just strolled up and climbed.

Sadly, if they become a pile of strawberry jam on the pavement, mummy and daddy are never going to blame their child, are they?
You fools should look these guys up. They are actually VERY skilled in Parkour/freerunning. STORROR-http://www.y
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[quote][p][bold]tyekkonderoga[/bold] wrote: Have you noticed that with real Parkour the person doing it doesn't do that pose for a photo to say 'look how big and bad I am!'? It's the same kind of kids who jump two foot from one low wall to another, then congratulate themselves on how amazing they are for doing so. Anyone can do these things. Real parkour takes training, and these lads have just strolled up and climbed. Sadly, if they become a pile of strawberry jam on the pavement, mummy and daddy are never going to blame their child, are they?[/p][/quote]You fools should look these guys up. They are actually VERY skilled in Parkour/freerunning. STORROR-http://www.y outube.com/channel/U CdPui8EYr_sX6q1xNXCR PXg Freedominmovement
  • Score: -1

5:08am Fri 12 Jul 13

nocando says...

Top marks to the lads, I think what they do is seriously impressive. And b*******s to the health and safety fascists, if it was up to the likes of you, no one would be allowed outdoors at all in case the sky falls on their heads.
Complete safety is an illusion and everybody's going to die of something. But for some it won't be boredom.
Top marks to the lads, I think what they do is seriously impressive. And b*******s to the health and safety fascists, if it was up to the likes of you, no one would be allowed outdoors at all in case the sky falls on their heads. Complete safety is an illusion and everybody's going to die of something. But for some it won't be boredom. nocando
  • Score: 0

5:38am Fri 12 Jul 13

El Duderino says...

Leave the kids alone, they're not your responsibility
Leave the kids alone, they're not your responsibility El Duderino
  • Score: -1

7:46am Fri 12 Jul 13

crawley man says...

Complete and utter idiots all of them. When there's an accident and one of them falls to their death it's the families left behind that will suffer. And some poor sod will have to clean up the mess. A person falling more than 50 foot and landing on a solid surface, ie: concrete is not a pretty site. So for those of you saying "It's all right, carry on " when there is a fatality YOU go and clear it up.
Complete and utter idiots all of them. When there's an accident and one of them falls to their death it's the families left behind that will suffer. And some poor sod will have to clean up the mess. A person falling more than 50 foot and landing on a solid surface, ie: concrete is not a pretty site. So for those of you saying "It's all right, carry on " when there is a fatality YOU go and clear it up. crawley man
  • Score: 1

9:29am Fri 12 Jul 13

ThinkBrighton says...

Take it Personally wrote:
little buggers! They've got some amazing photos! I bet their mum's will kill them!
That's if the fall doesn't!
[quote][p][bold]Take it Personally[/bold] wrote: little buggers! They've got some amazing photos! I bet their mum's will kill them![/p][/quote]That's if the fall doesn't! ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Fri 12 Jul 13

sussexram40 says...

I expect this report may encourage other youngsters to want to take up this sport/hobby.
I expect this report may encourage other youngsters to want to take up this sport/hobby. sussexram40
  • Score: -1

7:29pm Fri 12 Jul 13

Minion says...

crossing the road is dangerous if you make a wrong move. You certainly wouldn't want to see 4 year old children crossing a main road alone, but we accept that a teenager who has developed experience and spacial awareness will be able to cross the road without getting killed. It's the same with what these kids are doing. The average person has as much experience at parkour as a four year old has crossing a main road alone. Therefore it is ridiculously dangerous for us, our fear alone would make us likely to panic and make stupid mistakes.. But for people with experience, developed spacial awareness and a relaxed approach it's not as dangerous as you're all making it out to be. With the skills developed in parkour the chances of falling to their death are the same as the chances of falling while on ground level. It's a possibility but I think there is more chance of getting hit by a car when crossing the street, in that situation there are a least two people that could make a mistake that may result in death. That's just my opinion anyway.
crossing the road is dangerous if you make a wrong move. You certainly wouldn't want to see 4 year old children crossing a main road alone, but we accept that a teenager who has developed experience and spacial awareness will be able to cross the road without getting killed. It's the same with what these kids are doing. The average person has as much experience at parkour as a four year old has crossing a main road alone. Therefore it is ridiculously dangerous for us, our fear alone would make us likely to panic and make stupid mistakes.. But for people with experience, developed spacial awareness and a relaxed approach it's not as dangerous as you're all making it out to be. With the skills developed in parkour the chances of falling to their death are the same as the chances of falling while on ground level. It's a possibility but I think there is more chance of getting hit by a car when crossing the street, in that situation there are a least two people that could make a mistake that may result in death. That's just my opinion anyway. Minion
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Sat 13 Jul 13

jackthekipper says...

its nothing new,im 46 and we used to do the same thing in brighton ,i dont remember any of my mates dying
its nothing new,im 46 and we used to do the same thing in brighton ,i dont remember any of my mates dying jackthekipper
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Tue 16 Jul 13

JGEvans says...

Amazing - well done gents. The second photo from the bottom is breath taking! I expect you will pick up a lot of YouTube subscribers from this article. Great to see a Parkour scene in Brighton & Hove and great to see people entertaining themselves creatively not just sitting around in the pub.
Amazing - well done gents. The second photo from the bottom is breath taking! I expect you will pick up a lot of YouTube subscribers from this article. Great to see a Parkour scene in Brighton & Hove and great to see people entertaining themselves creatively not just sitting around in the pub. JGEvans
  • Score: -1

10:55am Thu 25 Jul 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

sussexram40 says...
5:02pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Great photos and I'm finding it hard not to admire their fitness, agility and above all their bravery. This is 2013 urban Britain at it's finest.

Absolutely spot on ! They are a well deserved poke in the eye to the authorities who want to try and create a risk free existence for us all - you know - children banned from playing snowballs, conkers etc. How tedious! Young men will always want physical and mental challenges to test themselves against and long may it be so !
sussexram40 says... 5:02pm Thu 11 Jul 13 Great photos and I'm finding it hard not to admire their fitness, agility and above all their bravery. This is 2013 urban Britain at it's finest. Absolutely spot on ! They are a well deserved poke in the eye to the authorities who want to try and create a risk free existence for us all - you know - children banned from playing snowballs, conkers etc. How tedious! Young men will always want physical and mental challenges to test themselves against and long may it be so ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 1

7:07pm Fri 26 Jul 13

PeterBensley says...

If you think it's stupid and dangerous then don't publicise it, you massive hypocrites.
If you think it's stupid and dangerous then don't publicise it, you massive hypocrites. PeterBensley
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Wed 31 Jul 13

stepford says...

Let's be honest; our society could benefit from a bit of natural selection...
Let's be honest; our society could benefit from a bit of natural selection... stepford
  • Score: 0

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