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Councillor backs golliwog sales in Brighton shop

The Argus: Reporter Bill Gardner with the controversial golliwog place mat Reporter Bill Gardner with the controversial golliwog place mat

A councillor has urged a shop to carry on selling pictures of golliwogs – because “they’ve got happy, smiling little faces”.

Shoppers have complained to bosses at Bert’s Homestore in Brighton after place mats featuring golliwogs were found on sale.

One anti-racism campaigner said the controversial images were a “sick throwback” and should be banned.

But Conservative city councillor Dawn Barnett argued golliwogs were not racist and branded the complaints against the store “political correctness gone too far”.

She said: “I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.

"In fact I’ve got a golliwog magnet sitting on my boiler.”

When asked why the shop should continue to sell the place- mats, she said: “They’re nostalgic, not racist. When I was young I remember saving up for a badge showing a golliwog playing a banjo.”

“My children had golliwogs and they preferred them to teddy bears. It’s because they’ve got happy, smiling little faces.”

In 2007, Greater Manchester Police seized two golliwogs from a shop after a complaint that the dolls were offensive.

And in 2011, two Conservative candidates resigned following complaints from fellow party members that they had used images of golliwogs as part of a protest against political correctness.

Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that.

“For people like me, it resurfaces old wounds. It’s got all kinds of negative connotations.”

And Bert’s Homestore manager Andrew Earley promised his shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future.

He said: “The place mats came from a company that makes a number of products for us. I don’t have a strong opinion on it.

“But if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.”

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9:04am Fri 30 Aug 13

Indigatio says...

There is nothing wrong with Golliwogs. I've grown up with them. Never considered them racist and never will. We have 2 small ones at home and a very sweet painting by a Shoreham artist called 'Golly' of a girl Golliwog toy in a sitting position.
The PC bridge want to get a life and worry about real things instead of figments of petty minded peoples imagination.
Well done to Dawn Barnett for standing up to this nonsense and shame on Bert's home store for backing down.
As for Abigal Sinclair, I was called all sorts of things at school, most not repeatable in this forum, kids are like that, it wasn't nice but it made me a stronger person.
There is nothing wrong with Golliwogs. I've grown up with them. Never considered them racist and never will. We have 2 small ones at home and a very sweet painting by a Shoreham artist called 'Golly' of a girl Golliwog toy in a sitting position. The PC bridge want to get a life and worry about real things instead of figments of petty minded peoples imagination. Well done to Dawn Barnett for standing up to this nonsense and shame on Bert's home store for backing down. As for Abigal Sinclair, I was called all sorts of things at school, most not repeatable in this forum, kids are like that, it wasn't nice but it made me a stronger person. Indigatio
  • Score: 81

9:10am Fri 30 Aug 13

Crystal Ball says...

Thousands of marmalade lovers can't be wrong.
Thousands of marmalade lovers can't be wrong. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 63

9:15am Fri 30 Aug 13

maria m says...

people need to get a life, golliwogs were part of childhood, and very loved.
people need to get a life, golliwogs were part of childhood, and very loved. maria m
  • Score: 74

9:21am Fri 30 Aug 13

Fight_Back says...

I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!! Fight_Back
  • Score: 78

9:28am Fri 30 Aug 13

tykemison says...

Abigail Sinclair"campaigns for community cohesion"funniest thing I have read in ages! ! with all the turmoil going on around us people complain because a character is of a colour where only paranoid individuals see a problem.If dimwits like these hadn't pointed out the"racist"thing no-one would have noticed! Absolute fools.
Abigail Sinclair"campaigns for community cohesion"funniest thing I have read in ages! ! with all the turmoil going on around us people complain because a character is of a colour where only paranoid individuals see a problem.If dimwits like these hadn't pointed out the"racist"thing no-one would have noticed! Absolute fools. tykemison
  • Score: 63

9:33am Fri 30 Aug 13

bikerjimbo says...

Pathetic. People are so easily offended and yet golliwogs are in no way offensive it is just that some people perceive offensiveness. In a way I feel sorry for them. If the placemats sell then surely it is worth stocking them, if they don't sell then 'bin' them. I feel a bit sorry for Berts store. I too remember collecting the labels and had several badges as a result does that make me racist?
Pathetic. People are so easily offended and yet golliwogs are in no way offensive it is just that some people perceive offensiveness. In a way I feel sorry for them. If the placemats sell then surely it is worth stocking them, if they don't sell then 'bin' them. I feel a bit sorry for Berts store. I too remember collecting the labels and had several badges as a result does that make me racist? bikerjimbo
  • Score: 61

9:37am Fri 30 Aug 13

Sue De Nimes says...

"Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that."

I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic"

The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that
"Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city. She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that." I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic" The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that Sue De Nimes
  • Score: 40

9:40am Fri 30 Aug 13

jamus77 says...

Fight_Back wrote:
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!![/p][/quote]Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post. jamus77
  • Score: -73

9:41am Fri 30 Aug 13

tykemison says...

bikerjimbo wrote:
Pathetic. People are so easily offended and yet golliwogs are in no way offensive it is just that some people perceive offensiveness. In a way I feel sorry for them. If the placemats sell then surely it is worth stocking them, if they don't sell then 'bin' them. I feel a bit sorry for Berts store. I too remember collecting the labels and had several badges as a result does that make me racist?
Abigail Sinclair probably thinks so;-)
[quote][p][bold]bikerjimbo[/bold] wrote: Pathetic. People are so easily offended and yet golliwogs are in no way offensive it is just that some people perceive offensiveness. In a way I feel sorry for them. If the placemats sell then surely it is worth stocking them, if they don't sell then 'bin' them. I feel a bit sorry for Berts store. I too remember collecting the labels and had several badges as a result does that make me racist?[/p][/quote]Abigail Sinclair probably thinks so;-) tykemison
  • Score: 23

9:45am Fri 30 Aug 13

Spennynash says...

Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face.
Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride.
Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face. Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride. Spennynash
  • Score: 19

9:59am Fri 30 Aug 13

The Prophet of Doom says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
"Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that."

I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic"

The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that
More importantly, should the lifting of any shirts be outlawed?
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: "Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city. She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that." I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic" The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that[/p][/quote]More importantly, should the lifting of any shirts be outlawed? The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: -21

10:02am Fri 30 Aug 13

shining star says...

Sue De Nimes wrote:
"Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that."

I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic"

The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that
I agree with you Sue, when I look at a Golliwog, I see a toy, a toy that reminds me of my childhood and that's all. If some people see a connection to racism in a toy that's been around in this country for many years, and part of childrens stories down the ages, then it is the perception of the racism in the person that's the problem, not the toy. This sort of ridiculous belief is becoming an obsession with some people. It's contagious and It's comments made by Abigail Sinclair that encourage this type of obsessional behaviour. Very soon we will be frowned upon if we use the word 'Black', we'll have to change it to 'Dark' and go all round the houses, rather than say 'Black'.
[quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: "Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city. She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that." I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic" The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that[/p][/quote]I agree with you Sue, when I look at a Golliwog, I see a toy, a toy that reminds me of my childhood and that's all. If some people see a connection to racism in a toy that's been around in this country for many years, and part of childrens stories down the ages, then it is the perception of the racism in the person that's the problem, not the toy. This sort of ridiculous belief is becoming an obsession with some people. It's contagious and It's comments made by Abigail Sinclair that encourage this type of obsessional behaviour. Very soon we will be frowned upon if we use the word 'Black', we'll have to change it to 'Dark' and go all round the houses, rather than say 'Black'. shining star
  • Score: 26

10:02am Fri 30 Aug 13

Andy R says...

Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's.......... Andy R
  • Score: 18

10:18am Fri 30 Aug 13

Crystal Ball says...

shining star wrote:
Sue De Nimes wrote:
"Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that."

I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic"

The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that
I agree with you Sue, when I look at a Golliwog, I see a toy, a toy that reminds me of my childhood and that's all. If some people see a connection to racism in a toy that's been around in this country for many years, and part of childrens stories down the ages, then it is the perception of the racism in the person that's the problem, not the toy. This sort of ridiculous belief is becoming an obsession with some people. It's contagious and It's comments made by Abigail Sinclair that encourage this type of obsessional behaviour. Very soon we will be frowned upon if we use the word 'Black', we'll have to change it to 'Dark' and go all round the houses, rather than say 'Black'.
So describing something by its colour will become frowned upon? What a pathetic state-of-affairs this country is becoming.
[quote][p][bold]shining star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sue De Nimes[/bold] wrote: "Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city. She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that." I am sure some homosexuals have been called shirt-lifters in the past and been offended. Shall we ban shirts from sale as they are "homophobic" The Golliwog itself is not racist. The fact that some racists have used it in this manner doesn't change that[/p][/quote]I agree with you Sue, when I look at a Golliwog, I see a toy, a toy that reminds me of my childhood and that's all. If some people see a connection to racism in a toy that's been around in this country for many years, and part of childrens stories down the ages, then it is the perception of the racism in the person that's the problem, not the toy. This sort of ridiculous belief is becoming an obsession with some people. It's contagious and It's comments made by Abigail Sinclair that encourage this type of obsessional behaviour. Very soon we will be frowned upon if we use the word 'Black', we'll have to change it to 'Dark' and go all round the houses, rather than say 'Black'.[/p][/quote]So describing something by its colour will become frowned upon? What a pathetic state-of-affairs this country is becoming. Crystal Ball
  • Score: 21

10:19am Fri 30 Aug 13

AmboGuy says...

Andy R wrote:
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
Or if you had your way.......the Soviet Union in the 1910's !!
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........[/p][/quote]Or if you had your way.......the Soviet Union in the 1910's !! AmboGuy
  • Score: -2

10:20am Fri 30 Aug 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Andy R wrote:
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
Whereas your corner will always is Trotsky's Soviet Union - mass murder and all. Still in the Fourth International?
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........[/p][/quote]Whereas your corner will always is Trotsky's Soviet Union - mass murder and all. Still in the Fourth International? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -5

10:23am Fri 30 Aug 13

chrismilo says...

When I was bored with my Gollywog I would go & draw on my Blackboard or Mummy would sing BaBa Blacksheep too us.
Are these offensive ? Time for this PC S*it to stop.
When I was bored with my Gollywog I would go & draw on my Blackboard or Mummy would sing BaBa Blacksheep too us. Are these offensive ? Time for this PC S*it to stop. chrismilo
  • Score: 44

10:26am Fri 30 Aug 13

Minty1971 says...

The p.c brigade are out in force. What's offensive about a childs toy? Its colour is irrelevant. There were white dolls in the 70s and 80s.
The p.c brigade are out in force. What's offensive about a childs toy? Its colour is irrelevant. There were white dolls in the 70s and 80s. Minty1971
  • Score: 32

10:32am Fri 30 Aug 13

Fight_Back says...

jamus77 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.
While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all.
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!![/p][/quote]Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.[/p][/quote]While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all. Fight_Back
  • Score: 40

10:32am Fri 30 Aug 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Move on !
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - Move on ! B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 7

10:50am Fri 30 Aug 13

tykemison says...

Spennynash wrote:
Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face.
Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride.
Blah, blah, blah.Get a life you dope.
[quote][p][bold]Spennynash[/bold] wrote: Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face. Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride.[/p][/quote]Blah, blah, blah.Get a life you dope. tykemison
  • Score: -11

10:55am Fri 30 Aug 13

Gagrivar says...

I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to? Gagrivar
  • Score: 6

11:02am Fri 30 Aug 13

s&k says...

Equal opportunities racism.
Equal opportunities racism. s&k
  • Score: -8

11:05am Fri 30 Aug 13

another 1 says...

Ummmm yeah.... But supporting Golliwogs because they have 'smiling faces' dismisses their history, it's the equivalent of saying Dancing Bears are entertaining - sure they look cute, but you can't ignore the history of pain, oppression & cruelty behind them.
Ummmm yeah.... But supporting Golliwogs because they have 'smiling faces' dismisses their history, it's the equivalent of saying Dancing Bears are entertaining - sure they look cute, but you can't ignore the history of pain, oppression & cruelty behind them. another 1
  • Score: -2

11:18am Fri 30 Aug 13

shining star says...

s&k wrote:
Equal opportunities racism.
I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?
[quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Equal opportunities racism.[/p][/quote]I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ? shining star
  • Score: -4

11:25am Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

It's for the black community to state whether they find golliwogs racist as they are the ones who were subjected to the 'racism' not a load of white busybodies who believe they are in charge of everyone's feelings.
It's for the black community to state whether they find golliwogs racist as they are the ones who were subjected to the 'racism' not a load of white busybodies who believe they are in charge of everyone's feelings. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 36

11:28am Fri 30 Aug 13

Andy R says...

AmboGuy wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
Or if you had your way.......the Soviet Union in the 1910's !!
Nah....a bit too early...
[quote][p][bold]AmboGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........[/p][/quote]Or if you had your way.......the Soviet Union in the 1910's !![/p][/quote]Nah....a bit too early... Andy R
  • Score: 8

11:31am Fri 30 Aug 13

Andy R says...

The Prophet of Doom wrote:
Spennynash wrote:
Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face.
Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride.
"Brown skinned people really are too sensitive"? What an uninformed moronic comment.

Do you live in a shoe and not get out much?
I think you're misreading the author's intent there......
[quote][p][bold]The Prophet of Doom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Spennynash[/bold] wrote: Being told to 'get back on you jam jar' or having 'wog' shouted in your face, was a real issue during the 70's and 80's for people with brown skin..but why should that matter if you had one as a toy and loved that little black smiley face. Brown skinned people really are too sensitive....Come on...get out your old golliwogs and handle them with pride...lovely white pride.[/p][/quote]"Brown skinned people really are too sensitive"? What an uninformed moronic comment. Do you live in a shoe and not get out much?[/p][/quote]I think you're misreading the author's intent there...... Andy R
  • Score: 2

11:32am Fri 30 Aug 13

Gagrivar says...

shining star wrote:
s&k wrote:
Equal opportunities racism.
I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?
Anyone can hold any opinion, that is not in question.

You don't get to invent your own facts though, the facts are that the "Golliwog" character is racist, invented as a caricature by Florence Kate Upton and described by her as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome".

It is not a question of belief or opinion but fact, so it's irrelevant who agrees with me. There can be no debate over this.

You can argue that you think it's OK to embrace the racism, or ignore it, you don't get to say it's not there.
[quote][p][bold]shining star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Equal opportunities racism.[/p][/quote]I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?[/p][/quote]Anyone can hold any opinion, that is not in question. You don't get to invent your own facts though, the facts are that the "Golliwog" character is racist, invented as a caricature by Florence Kate Upton and described by her as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome". It is not a question of belief or opinion but fact, so it's irrelevant who agrees with me. There can be no debate over this. You can argue that you think it's OK to embrace the racism, or ignore it, you don't get to say it's not there. Gagrivar
  • Score: 7

11:47am Fri 30 Aug 13

s&k says...

shining star wrote:
s&k wrote: Equal opportunities racism.
I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?
I was being ironic/satirical/sar
castic. Take your pick.
[quote][p][bold]shining star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Equal opportunities racism.[/p][/quote]I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?[/p][/quote]I was being ironic/satirical/sar castic. Take your pick. s&k
  • Score: -7

11:48am Fri 30 Aug 13

fredflintstone1 says...

Gagrivar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 11

11:56am Fri 30 Aug 13

Number Six says...

This is all very interesting but |I can't hang around. I've got my box set of "Love Thy Neighbour" to watch
This is all very interesting but |I can't hang around. I've got my box set of "Love Thy Neighbour" to watch Number Six
  • Score: 20

12:04pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gagrivar says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gagrivar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.
I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument.

You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.[/p][/quote]I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument. You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive. Gagrivar
  • Score: -4

12:10pm Fri 30 Aug 13

BrighterStar says...

The majority of the comments above only go to prove that for all its pretentions of modernity and inclusion, Brighton is just another grubby little provincial town, populated largely by glorying in their ignorance and small mindedness . I can't believe we are still having this debate (if thats what you can call it) 50 years after Dr Kings speech. Some of you need to get out of your little white ghetto more often and learn something.
The majority of the comments above only go to prove that for all its pretentions of modernity and inclusion, Brighton is just another grubby little provincial town, populated largely by glorying in their ignorance and small mindedness . I can't believe we are still having this debate (if thats what you can call it) 50 years after Dr Kings speech. Some of you need to get out of your little white ghetto more often and learn something. BrighterStar
  • Score: 3

12:13pm Fri 30 Aug 13

clubrob6 says...

This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.
This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved. clubrob6
  • Score: -9

12:21pm Fri 30 Aug 13

The Prophet of Doom says...

BrighterStar wrote:
The majority of the comments above only go to prove that for all its pretentions of modernity and inclusion, Brighton is just another grubby little provincial town, populated largely by glorying in their ignorance and small mindedness . I can't believe we are still having this debate (if thats what you can call it) 50 years after Dr Kings speech. Some of you need to get out of your little white ghetto more often and learn something.
Who are you to put everyone on trial?

Oaf.
[quote][p][bold]BrighterStar[/bold] wrote: The majority of the comments above only go to prove that for all its pretentions of modernity and inclusion, Brighton is just another grubby little provincial town, populated largely by glorying in their ignorance and small mindedness . I can't believe we are still having this debate (if thats what you can call it) 50 years after Dr Kings speech. Some of you need to get out of your little white ghetto more often and learn something.[/p][/quote]Who are you to put everyone on trial? Oaf. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: -7

12:22pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gagrivar says...

clubrob6 wrote:
This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.
I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.[/p][/quote]I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all. Gagrivar
  • Score: 3

12:35pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Beethoven says...

Too much political correctness around, by half !

People who see a historic racial slur in them should understand that for generations of white kids they were just much loved toys , nothing more...

As for the "I was called golliwog" comment, well, I was called Billy Bunter but don't call for those books to be banned . Get a life !
Too much political correctness around, by half ! People who see a historic racial slur in them should understand that for generations of white kids they were just much loved toys , nothing more... As for the "I was called golliwog" comment, well, I was called Billy Bunter but don't call for those books to be banned . Get a life ! Beethoven
  • Score: 11

12:36pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

The response to this 'Golliwog is racist' is to reclaim the Golliwog from the racists. By condemning the use of the Golliwog you are perpetuating its racists' overtones.
The response to this 'Golliwog is racist' is to reclaim the Golliwog from the racists. By condemning the use of the Golliwog you are perpetuating its racists' overtones. mimseycal
  • Score: 12

12:44pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Le Premier Cru says...

Difficult call. I was raised in the 60s, and golliwogs were an inoffensive part of my childhood.

What's difficult to determine is whether this is merely political correctness (and a reaction based merely on 'anti political correctness'), or whether there's genuine offense. The images surprise me, in this day and age, but don't actually offend me. I do recognise however that they may genuinely offend some people and, for that reason, shouldn't be displayed (IMHO).

It strikes me that nowhere in this lengthy thread is there any recognition of what the images might mean to *someone else*. It's all me, me, me.

..but that's today's society for you.
Difficult call. I was raised in the 60s, and golliwogs were an inoffensive part of my childhood. What's difficult to determine is whether this is merely political correctness (and a reaction based merely on 'anti political correctness'), or whether there's genuine offense. The images surprise me, in this day and age, but don't actually offend me. I do recognise however that they may genuinely offend some people and, for that reason, shouldn't be displayed (IMHO). It strikes me that nowhere in this lengthy thread is there any recognition of what the images might mean to *someone else*. It's all me, me, me. ..but that's today's society for you. Le Premier Cru
  • Score: 15

12:45pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Billy Bunter...fat, lazy and stupid. That perhaps explains your comment.
Billy Bunter...fat, lazy and stupid. That perhaps explains your comment. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -15

12:48pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Wiggsy says...

Gagrivar wrote:
shining star wrote:
s&k wrote: Equal opportunities racism.
I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?
Anyone can hold any opinion, that is not in question. You don't get to invent your own facts though, the facts are that the "Golliwog" character is racist, invented as a caricature by Florence Kate Upton and described by her as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome". It is not a question of belief or opinion but fact, so it's irrelevant who agrees with me. There can be no debate over this. You can argue that you think it's OK to embrace the racism, or ignore it, you don't get to say it's not there.
Florence Upton despaired, ‘I am frightened when I read the fearsome etymology some deep, dark minds can see in his name.’
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shining star[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s&k[/bold] wrote: Equal opportunities racism.[/p][/quote]I find it equally difficult to believe that you consider that such a 'large amount' of people should be ignorant or wrong with their opinion's and YOU should be right? 'All the world is mad .........' springs to mind here. Why should you believe that ?[/p][/quote]Anyone can hold any opinion, that is not in question. You don't get to invent your own facts though, the facts are that the "Golliwog" character is racist, invented as a caricature by Florence Kate Upton and described by her as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome". It is not a question of belief or opinion but fact, so it's irrelevant who agrees with me. There can be no debate over this. You can argue that you think it's OK to embrace the racism, or ignore it, you don't get to say it's not there.[/p][/quote]Florence Upton despaired, ‘I am frightened when I read the fearsome etymology some deep, dark minds can see in his name.’ Wiggsy
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Hooitness says...

You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs.

If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it.

They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now. Hooitness
  • Score: -14

12:56pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Hooitness says...

Gagrivar wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.
I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all.
Yup, it's like arguing with a scientologist. They just keep talking.
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.[/p][/quote]I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all.[/p][/quote]Yup, it's like arguing with a scientologist. They just keep talking. Hooitness
  • Score: 5

1:05pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Rita Snatch says...

I was called a 'Pansy' when I was young .... but they still grow, sell and nurture them; don't people realise how hurtful that the use of that word and image are to me?

BAN PANSIES - They are genderist and hurtful !!!

QUOTE >
" Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city.

She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that. "
< END QUOTE
I was called a 'Pansy' when I was young .... but they still grow, sell and nurture them; don't people realise how hurtful that the use of that word and image are to me? BAN PANSIES - They are genderist and hurtful !!! QUOTE > " Abigail Sinclair, who campaigns for community cohesion in Brighton and Hove, said pictures of golliwogs had “no place” in the city. She said: “I was called a golliwog as a kid so it’s very offensive to me. It’s not something that belongs in the present day. I hope we have moved on from that. " < END QUOTE Rita Snatch
  • Score: 13

1:05pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Mark63 says...

No place in the modern world! As an innocent kid in the 70s they seemed harmless fun, but times ahve moved on as have human rights and respect, something lacking here....
No place in the modern world! As an innocent kid in the 70s they seemed harmless fun, but times ahve moved on as have human rights and respect, something lacking here.... Mark63
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Fri 30 Aug 13

fredflintstone1 says...

Gagrivar wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gagrivar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the &quot;Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.
I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument.

You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.
Let me spell it out in terms that you might understand. Firstly, we have a long tradition in this country of protecting free speech, which is now under serious attack. We also have a situation here in the city where laws established to protect the interest of the majority are being ignored by the police on grounds of political correctness.
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.[/p][/quote]I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument. You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.[/p][/quote]Let me spell it out in terms that you might understand. Firstly, we have a long tradition in this country of protecting free speech, which is now under serious attack. We also have a situation here in the city where laws established to protect the interest of the majority are being ignored by the police on grounds of political correctness. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 9

1:11pm Fri 30 Aug 13

fredflintstone1 says...

Hooitness wrote:
You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs.

If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it.

They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
Ah - the intolerance of youth......
[quote][p][bold]Hooitness[/bold] wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.[/p][/quote]Ah - the intolerance of youth...... fredflintstone1
  • Score: 10

1:11pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

I had golliwogs when I was little, and never even REALISED they were supposed to be black people, or had any racist connotation, but they clearly did originally. Like some of the "Little Black Sambo" books I read as a child. I just thought the main character was a cute little black boy, like any other boy. However I do realise that these toys or characters are borne out of old racist connotations. But then there is so much in culture that is around that shows us how black people were once treated in the past, old films (like Zulu and The Dambusters film, with that dog who had a rather unfortunate name), old TV shows, books, especially in American literature, like Mark Twain, one of the great American writers of the late 19th Century in America! But those books are still read, those films and TV shows are still watched, and times have moved on and everyone knows that these are all ideas of the past. If you were to ban golliwogs wouldn't you have to ban everything else from the past that was a reminder of racism of the past? We all know that things have changed, and to ban anything that is borne out of that past just (I think) patronises us. And as someone else here said, ask black people what THEY think. I'll suspect some find them offensive, especially the older generation, but I would also suspect that most aren't at all bothered.
I had golliwogs when I was little, and never even REALISED they were supposed to be black people, or had any racist connotation, but they clearly did originally. Like some of the "Little Black Sambo" books I read as a child. I just thought the main character was a cute little black boy, like any other boy. However I do realise that these toys or characters are borne out of old racist connotations. But then there is so much in culture that is around that shows us how black people were once treated in the past, old films (like Zulu and The Dambusters film, with that dog who had a rather unfortunate name), old TV shows, books, especially in American literature, like Mark Twain, one of the great American writers of the late 19th Century in America! But those books are still read, those films and TV shows are still watched, and times have moved on and everyone knows that these are all ideas of the past. If you were to ban golliwogs wouldn't you have to ban everything else from the past that was a reminder of racism of the past? We all know that things have changed, and to ban anything that is borne out of that past just (I think) patronises us. And as someone else here said, ask black people what THEY think. I'll suspect some find them offensive, especially the older generation, but I would also suspect that most aren't at all bothered. KarenT
  • Score: 19

1:12pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Hooitness wrote:
You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs.

If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it.

They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
The England i grew up in was a tolerant decent place. There was freedom of speech and the police did not enforce the official view. Now we are banned from discussing travellers, banned from liking golliwogs, smeared as racists if we dare to challenge the official view - you call this tolerance?
[quote][p][bold]Hooitness[/bold] wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.[/p][/quote]The England i grew up in was a tolerant decent place. There was freedom of speech and the police did not enforce the official view. Now we are banned from discussing travellers, banned from liking golliwogs, smeared as racists if we dare to challenge the official view - you call this tolerance? Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: 6

1:17pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them.
We see where you are coming from.
Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them. We see where you are coming from. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -11

1:20pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Jagmanmc says...

I was called a Wombat at school - hope they don't start selling Wombat themed items or I will be offended!
I was called a Wombat at school - hope they don't start selling Wombat themed items or I will be offended! Jagmanmc
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Smartbloke says...

I didn't even need to read the article to know it was Dawn Barnett peddling her brand of casual racism, defended by the usual drones of 'political correctness gone to far...' Poor, deluded woman.

The only woman on the council to actively invite travellers to illegally stay in the city.

Interesting that 73% of Argus readers think that casual racism is fine. Says all you need to know about this awful, vile rag. And I can say that as I used to work there.
I didn't even need to read the article to know it was Dawn Barnett peddling her brand of casual racism, defended by the usual drones of 'political correctness gone to far...' Poor, deluded woman. The only woman on the council to actively invite travellers to illegally stay in the city. Interesting that 73% of Argus readers think that casual racism is fine. Says all you need to know about this awful, vile rag. And I can say that as I used to work there. Smartbloke
  • Score: -3

1:23pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Mark63 says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Hooitness wrote:
You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs.

If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it.

They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
Ah - the intolerance of youth......
The voice of reason - why support something so obviously offensive... they may have been created in innocence but that was during times of supposed suprememcy... which is now deemed completely wrong - and rightly so. No place in today's world of rightful respect...
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hooitness[/bold] wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.[/p][/quote]Ah - the intolerance of youth......[/p][/quote]The voice of reason - why support something so obviously offensive... they may have been created in innocence but that was during times of supposed suprememcy... which is now deemed completely wrong - and rightly so. No place in today's world of rightful respect... Mark63
  • Score: -3

1:23pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them.
We see where you are coming from.
I don't think that's a fair comment. It's not that people thought it was OK for TV entertainers to sexually assault children - it's just that it was a time where we (the teeming masses!) never heard or found out about it. It was all a sort of "hush hush" thing that went on behind closed doors, part of an ugly culture, where everyone protected everyone else in that industry. I don't think the media had the same power of intrusiveness as it does now either, to expose any of that muck. I think the public would have been just as appalled as they are now, except back then they just never found out!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them. We see where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]I don't think that's a fair comment. It's not that people thought it was OK for TV entertainers to sexually assault children - it's just that it was a time where we (the teeming masses!) never heard or found out about it. It was all a sort of "hush hush" thing that went on behind closed doors, part of an ugly culture, where everyone protected everyone else in that industry. I don't think the media had the same power of intrusiveness as it does now either, to expose any of that muck. I think the public would have been just as appalled as they are now, except back then they just never found out! KarenT
  • Score: 6

1:26pm Fri 30 Aug 13

The Gnome says...

I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The "it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it?
I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The "it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it? The Gnome
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

Mark63 wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Hooitness wrote:
You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs.

If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it.

They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
Ah - the intolerance of youth......
The voice of reason - why support something so obviously offensive... they may have been created in innocence but that was during times of supposed suprememcy... which is now deemed completely wrong - and rightly so. No place in today's world of rightful respect...
But WHO says it's something "so obviously offensive"? To whom? WHO is saying that? Has anyone done a poll? And if it is offensive in the way you say it is, shall we stop airing "Dambusters" and other films of days gone by because there clearly contain racist connotations? Where does it end?
[quote][p][bold]Mark63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hooitness[/bold] wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.[/p][/quote]Ah - the intolerance of youth......[/p][/quote]The voice of reason - why support something so obviously offensive... they may have been created in innocence but that was during times of supposed suprememcy... which is now deemed completely wrong - and rightly so. No place in today's world of rightful respect...[/p][/quote]But WHO says it's something "so obviously offensive"? To whom? WHO is saying that? Has anyone done a poll? And if it is offensive in the way you say it is, shall we stop airing "Dambusters" and other films of days gone by because there clearly contain racist connotations? Where does it end? KarenT
  • Score: 3

1:29pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

maria m wrote:
people need to get a life, golliwogs were part of childhood, and very loved.
Yeah it's just British Humour.
[quote][p][bold]maria m[/bold] wrote: people need to get a life, golliwogs were part of childhood, and very loved.[/p][/quote]Yeah it's just British Humour. Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 3

1:34pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mhaiti says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Hooitness wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.
The England i grew up in was a tolerant decent place. There was freedom of speech and the police did not enforce the official view. Now we are banned from discussing travellers, banned from liking golliwogs, smeared as racists if we dare to challenge the official view - you call this tolerance?
This is quite simple.

These toys were phased out because they played on racial stereotypes and were agreed to be offensive and have a racist origin. The names that you were called at school aren't relevant unless they were used as a way of singling you out because you had a different coloured skin to your tormentors.

They cause offence, why can't people understand that? I agree that by owning one of these toys when you were younger that you shouldn't be automatically classed as a racist but in the same way that a corner shop is no longer referred to as a shortened version of 'pakistani' shop, these kind of racial stereotypes have been and need to stay phased out.

PC gone mad this is not, this is a sensible request to remove an item from a shop that has and may cause offence to a particular demographic of our apparently culturally sensitive city.
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hooitness[/bold] wrote: You can tell the average age of the posters on here. 60 year old, beligerant, angry, dinosaurs. If I see a golliwog it makes me cringe. I also think you are forgetting the general air of casual racism we grew up in and golliwogs are a perfect example of it. They may have been okay 50 years ago, but it's 2013 and times are different. I suppose some of you are still angry women are allowed to vote now.[/p][/quote]The England i grew up in was a tolerant decent place. There was freedom of speech and the police did not enforce the official view. Now we are banned from discussing travellers, banned from liking golliwogs, smeared as racists if we dare to challenge the official view - you call this tolerance?[/p][/quote]This is quite simple. These toys were phased out because they played on racial stereotypes and were agreed to be offensive and have a racist origin. The names that you were called at school aren't relevant unless they were used as a way of singling you out because you had a different coloured skin to your tormentors. They cause offence, why can't people understand that? I agree that by owning one of these toys when you were younger that you shouldn't be automatically classed as a racist but in the same way that a corner shop is no longer referred to as a shortened version of 'pakistani' shop, these kind of racial stereotypes have been and need to stay phased out. PC gone mad this is not, this is a sensible request to remove an item from a shop that has and may cause offence to a particular demographic of our apparently culturally sensitive city. mhaiti
  • Score: 1

1:34pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

The Gnome wrote:
I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The &quot;it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it?
Yeah but we stopped smoking around our kids because we discovered how harmful it was to them, and we adored kiddy-fiddling entertainers because we didn't KNOW that's what they were up to! We didn't wear seatbelts, again, because we weren't aware of how dangerous it was not to. As far as hunting and pollution and overbuilding, that's still all going on, but now, as even back then, there were always people telling us how wrong it was, how we were damaging the future of the planet. Many didn't listen, but more and more do, now. Things change - I would think it would be a bit insensitive to manufacture gollowog toys now, but as part of the nostalgia of the past, what's the problem? There are so many nostalgic things that point back to an unseemly past, all these little jokey type plaques and bumper stickers that hark back to women being useless and mindless for example, where do we stop with banning and censoring the past?!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Gnome[/bold] wrote: I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The "it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it?[/p][/quote]Yeah but we stopped smoking around our kids because we discovered how harmful it was to them, and we adored kiddy-fiddling entertainers because we didn't KNOW that's what they were up to! We didn't wear seatbelts, again, because we weren't aware of how dangerous it was not to. As far as hunting and pollution and overbuilding, that's still all going on, but now, as even back then, there were always people telling us how wrong it was, how we were damaging the future of the planet. Many didn't listen, but more and more do, now. Things change - I would think it would be a bit insensitive to manufacture gollowog toys now, but as part of the nostalgia of the past, what's the problem? There are so many nostalgic things that point back to an unseemly past, all these little jokey type plaques and bumper stickers that hark back to women being useless and mindless for example, where do we stop with banning and censoring the past?!!! KarenT
  • Score: 8

1:35pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

KarenT.
The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc
They are the victims of the racism and this was their position.
Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that?
How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?
KarenT. The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc They are the victims of the racism and this was their position. Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that? How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel? Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -11

1:36pm Fri 30 Aug 13

brighton1980 says...

Somedude12345 wrote:
Nothing wrong with them just harmless nostalgia if someone has a problem with our culture they should pi. Ss off back home and not be so pc
I'm confused. I am white and was born in Brighton and find golliwogs offensive. Are you telling me I should go home to errr Brighton? Please clarify.
[quote][p][bold]Somedude12345[/bold] wrote: Nothing wrong with them just harmless nostalgia if someone has a problem with our culture they should pi. Ss off back home and not be so pc[/p][/quote]I'm confused. I am white and was born in Brighton and find golliwogs offensive. Are you telling me I should go home to errr Brighton? Please clarify. brighton1980
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Fri 30 Aug 13

fredflintstone1 says...

The Gnome wrote:
I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The &quot;it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it?
Much easier these days of course. We now have the intolerant PC thought police telling us what we should think! You can see this from the level of abuse directed at those on this thread who have the temerity to suggest that a golliwog was a much-loved toy reminding them of their childhood.
[quote][p][bold]The Gnome[/bold] wrote: I always knew that most Argus posters tended to be a bit reactionary, but the level of wilful ignorance/open racism here is astonishing. The "it was ok when I was young" line simply doesn't work. We used to smoke around our children, we adored entertainers who, it turns out, were sleezy predators, we didn't wear seatbelts, we hunted, polluted and built without restraint and did untold harm to the environment. It seemed ok at the time and we didn't realise our mistakes - doesn't make it ok though, does it?[/p][/quote]Much easier these days of course. We now have the intolerant PC thought police telling us what we should think! You can see this from the level of abuse directed at those on this thread who have the temerity to suggest that a golliwog was a much-loved toy reminding them of their childhood. fredflintstone1
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
KarenT.
The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc
They are the victims of the racism and this was their position.
Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that?
How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?
You say the "black community" has stated that they find golliwogs offensive? Has such a poll actually been done? Is that what they REALLY think? Not so sure myself. Racism fortunately only exists in the main amongst idiots and thicko's. And sadly, they would still be racist despite the existence of nostalgic golliwog drink coasters. They would invent new names to call minorities. If a man said all that to me (about women should stay at home, etc, etc) I'd just think he was an idiot and keep walking. I wouldn't be offended, because I would KNOW that his beliefs were an exception, and that he was most probably very ignorant and thus, unimportant to me. If he had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Women should be seen and not heard", or some such similar thing as I have seen, I'd just think, what a complete prat, and get on with my life. If I felt that I was actually being discriminated against because of being a woman, then I would sue their ****!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: KarenT. The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc They are the victims of the racism and this was their position. Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that? How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?[/p][/quote]You say the "black community" has stated that they find golliwogs offensive? Has such a poll actually been done? Is that what they REALLY think? Not so sure myself. Racism fortunately only exists in the main amongst idiots and thicko's. And sadly, they would still be racist despite the existence of nostalgic golliwog drink coasters. They would invent new names to call minorities. If a man said all that to me (about women should stay at home, etc, etc) I'd just think he was an idiot and keep walking. I wouldn't be offended, because I would KNOW that his beliefs were an exception, and that he was most probably very ignorant and thus, unimportant to me. If he had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Women should be seen and not heard", or some such similar thing as I have seen, I'd just think, what a complete prat, and get on with my life. If I felt that I was actually being discriminated against because of being a woman, then I would sue their ****! KarenT
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

KarenT wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
KarenT.
The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc
They are the victims of the racism and this was their position.
Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that?
How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?
You say the &quot;black community" has stated that they find golliwogs offensive? Has such a poll actually been done? Is that what they REALLY think? Not so sure myself. Racism fortunately only exists in the main amongst idiots and thicko's. And sadly, they would still be racist despite the existence of nostalgic golliwog drink coasters. They would invent new names to call minorities. If a man said all that to me (about women should stay at home, etc, etc) I'd just think he was an idiot and keep walking. I wouldn't be offended, because I would KNOW that his beliefs were an exception, and that he was most probably very ignorant and thus, unimportant to me. If he had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Women should be seen and not heard", or some such similar thing as I have seen, I'd just think, what a complete prat, and get on with my life. If I felt that I was actually being discriminated against because of being a woman, then I would sue their ****!
arse!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: KarenT. The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc They are the victims of the racism and this was their position. Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that? How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?[/p][/quote]You say the "black community" has stated that they find golliwogs offensive? Has such a poll actually been done? Is that what they REALLY think? Not so sure myself. Racism fortunately only exists in the main amongst idiots and thicko's. And sadly, they would still be racist despite the existence of nostalgic golliwog drink coasters. They would invent new names to call minorities. If a man said all that to me (about women should stay at home, etc, etc) I'd just think he was an idiot and keep walking. I wouldn't be offended, because I would KNOW that his beliefs were an exception, and that he was most probably very ignorant and thus, unimportant to me. If he had a bumper sticker on his car that said "Women should be seen and not heard", or some such similar thing as I have seen, I'd just think, what a complete prat, and get on with my life. If I felt that I was actually being discriminated against because of being a woman, then I would sue their ****![/p][/quote]arse! KarenT
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

Actually Fred you too are telling people how they should feel and think so you are the same as the PC Thought Police.
Stuart Hall probably made you laugh, but while you were laughing some poor child was also crying.
It's never as simple as you seem to think.
Actually Fred you too are telling people how they should feel and think so you are the same as the PC Thought Police. Stuart Hall probably made you laugh, but while you were laughing some poor child was also crying. It's never as simple as you seem to think. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -7

1:48pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Actually Fred you too are telling people how they should feel and think so you are the same as the PC Thought Police.
Stuart Hall probably made you laugh, but while you were laughing some poor child was also crying.
It's never as simple as you seem to think.
But nobody KNEW what Stuart Hall was up to! It was all a secret! So how can you suggest that the public of the time just "accepted" it? He was popular simply because no one knew!
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Actually Fred you too are telling people how they should feel and think so you are the same as the PC Thought Police. Stuart Hall probably made you laugh, but while you were laughing some poor child was also crying. It's never as simple as you seem to think.[/p][/quote]But nobody KNEW what Stuart Hall was up to! It was all a secret! So how can you suggest that the public of the time just "accepted" it? He was popular simply because no one knew! KarenT
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Fri 30 Aug 13

hoveguyactually says...

When I was an infant I had a golliwog and I loved it more than any other toys, even more than a teddy bear. Maybe the name might sound offensive, because of its racist connotations, but the image is not.
When I was an infant I had a golliwog and I loved it more than any other toys, even more than a teddy bear. Maybe the name might sound offensive, because of its racist connotations, but the image is not. hoveguyactually
  • Score: 0

2:31pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Ballroom Blitz says...

I had a golliwog stuffed toy, and ironically I lived (with it) in Ghana when I was young.
I didn't even make the connection that it was supposed to be a depiction of a black person until I was much older. I just thought it was a nice stuffed toy!
It's nostalgia, that's all. It's not meant to cause offence, and people shouldn't be so touchy.
I had a golliwog stuffed toy, and ironically I lived (with it) in Ghana when I was young. I didn't even make the connection that it was supposed to be a depiction of a black person until I was much older. I just thought it was a nice stuffed toy! It's nostalgia, that's all. It's not meant to cause offence, and people shouldn't be so touchy. Ballroom Blitz
  • Score: 7

2:40pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

KarenT the police knew and the children knew.
The BBC are now investigating who also knew as it was known what he was like.
I have been a journalist for 30 years and it was well known what some of these 'stars' were up to but getting the male dominated force to act in the 1970s was like trying to get people here to understand that black people are offended by golliwogs because while they were once cuddly toys, the phrase became derogatory.
Smoking used to be ok, walloping kids used to be ok, sacking women once they got pregnant was ok, drink driving was ok.
Things move on when society demands change and that may be racial equality, equality for women, child protection etc
KarenT the police knew and the children knew. The BBC are now investigating who also knew as it was known what he was like. I have been a journalist for 30 years and it was well known what some of these 'stars' were up to but getting the male dominated force to act in the 1970s was like trying to get people here to understand that black people are offended by golliwogs because while they were once cuddly toys, the phrase became derogatory. Smoking used to be ok, walloping kids used to be ok, sacking women once they got pregnant was ok, drink driving was ok. Things move on when society demands change and that may be racial equality, equality for women, child protection etc Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: -11

2:57pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
KarenT the police knew and the children knew.
The BBC are now investigating who also knew as it was known what he was like.
I have been a journalist for 30 years and it was well known what some of these 'stars' were up to but getting the male dominated force to act in the 1970s was like trying to get people here to understand that black people are offended by golliwogs because while they were once cuddly toys, the phrase became derogatory.
Smoking used to be ok, walloping kids used to be ok, sacking women once they got pregnant was ok, drink driving was ok.
Things move on when society demands change and that may be racial equality, equality for women, child protection etc
Well yeah all those things (smoking, etc) used to be OK, but people stopped, or at least quite a few stopped, because of finding out the truth. If the public knew the truth about Stuart Hall at the time then he would've been pilloried, quite rightly, but no one new, except those very close by and self-interested. And racism used to be "normal"! Especially in the States, which was probably the most racist country in the world, at least regarding African-African Americans, and look now, they have a black First Family. It's not like the racism never existed, nor is anyone trying to pretend it didn't, but things change, people change, people become educated to see the truth, and I don't believe the acknowledgement of past mistakes is going to make people make those mistakes again. Racism to some degree will always exist, sadly it's human nature (fortunately mostly amongst only the profoundly unworldly and stupid) to divide into groups and not like the other group. Only education and brains can make people change their views, and I don't see the problem with exposure to some remnant from the past that reminds us of what we once were a long time ago. And like I keep asking, if you censor this one aspect of our unseemly past, where do you stop? Film? Literature? People now see a golliwog for what it WAS. Those who see anything more into it than that are just hopelessly thick and will hopefully be bred out of existence eventually.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: KarenT the police knew and the children knew. The BBC are now investigating who also knew as it was known what he was like. I have been a journalist for 30 years and it was well known what some of these 'stars' were up to but getting the male dominated force to act in the 1970s was like trying to get people here to understand that black people are offended by golliwogs because while they were once cuddly toys, the phrase became derogatory. Smoking used to be ok, walloping kids used to be ok, sacking women once they got pregnant was ok, drink driving was ok. Things move on when society demands change and that may be racial equality, equality for women, child protection etc[/p][/quote]Well yeah all those things (smoking, etc) used to be OK, but people stopped, or at least quite a few stopped, because of finding out the truth. If the public knew the truth about Stuart Hall at the time then he would've been pilloried, quite rightly, but no one new, except those very close by and self-interested. And racism used to be "normal"! Especially in the States, which was probably the most racist country in the world, at least regarding African-African Americans, and look now, they have a black First Family. It's not like the racism never existed, nor is anyone trying to pretend it didn't, but things change, people change, people become educated to see the truth, and I don't believe the acknowledgement of past mistakes is going to make people make those mistakes again. Racism to some degree will always exist, sadly it's human nature (fortunately mostly amongst only the profoundly unworldly and stupid) to divide into groups and not like the other group. Only education and brains can make people change their views, and I don't see the problem with exposure to some remnant from the past that reminds us of what we once were a long time ago. And like I keep asking, if you censor this one aspect of our unseemly past, where do you stop? Film? Literature? People now see a golliwog for what it WAS. Those who see anything more into it than that are just hopelessly thick and will hopefully be bred out of existence eventually. KarenT
  • Score: -1

3:17pm Fri 30 Aug 13

RickH says...

So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose! RickH
  • Score: -3

3:26pm Fri 30 Aug 13

kult_dj_mandingo_blitt says...

Well it doesn't offend me, golliwogs never have done, I get offended by Councillors wasting time on things like this, and I simply haven't got enough downward thumbs for Maxwell Ghosts comments, bit of a non story getting a very predictable reaction from the readers.
Well it doesn't offend me, golliwogs never have done, I get offended by Councillors wasting time on things like this, and I simply haven't got enough downward thumbs for Maxwell Ghosts comments, bit of a non story getting a very predictable reaction from the readers. kult_dj_mandingo_blitt
  • Score: 4

3:31pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting? KarenT
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Fri 30 Aug 13

peachesncream says...

I was at an auction where there were many golliwogs for sale. It transpired that the main collectors of golliwogs were black people. I spoke to several of the purchasers who said they didn't have a problem with golliwogs being made and sold new, they just saw them as children's toys and collected the old ones as they felt that golliwogs represented part of black social history.

Are these politically correct people posting comments here of the opinion that black dolls should be banned, after all the dolls are modelled on black people and if their argument is followed logically, black dolls therefore should be deemed offensive also.
I was at an auction where there were many golliwogs for sale. It transpired that the main collectors of golliwogs were black people. I spoke to several of the purchasers who said they didn't have a problem with golliwogs being made and sold new, they just saw them as children's toys and collected the old ones as they felt that golliwogs represented part of black social history. Are these politically correct people posting comments here of the opinion that black dolls should be banned, after all the dolls are modelled on black people and if their argument is followed logically, black dolls therefore should be deemed offensive also. peachesncream
  • Score: 7

3:47pm Fri 30 Aug 13

MoronSpotter says...

Love the concerned look from Argus reporter Bill Gardner..!
Love the concerned look from Argus reporter Bill Gardner..! MoronSpotter
  • Score: -2

3:59pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Golliwogs may have been created as cartoon black people...there are even MORE cartoon white people out there!!!!! But as a child with a golliwog doll, it never occurred to me that they were 'supposed' to be black people.

Nobody should be called a golliwog, but neither should anyone be called a Bart Simpson or worse. At least not if the recipient has no sense of humour.

Golliwogs are gorgeous. Cuddly. Positive, not negative in their connotation. They are not 'villains', not scarecrows, not anything that should be huffily, politically correctly (insecure person's toy) banned.

Anyone identifying with a golly as some kind of racist symbol should just go get some counselling about their hangup. Golliwogs are gorgeous.
Golliwogs may have been created as cartoon black people...there are even MORE cartoon white people out there!!!!! But as a child with a golliwog doll, it never occurred to me that they were 'supposed' to be black people. Nobody should be called a golliwog, but neither should anyone be called a Bart Simpson or worse. At least not if the recipient has no sense of humour. Golliwogs are gorgeous. Cuddly. Positive, not negative in their connotation. They are not 'villains', not scarecrows, not anything that should be huffily, politically correctly (insecure person's toy) banned. Anyone identifying with a golly as some kind of racist symbol should just go get some counselling about their hangup. Golliwogs are gorgeous. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 10

4:05pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Why shouldn't black people be depicted in doll form? White people are.
Why shouldn't black people be depicted in doll form? White people are. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 9

4:13pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Valerie Paynter says...

I'm getting angry now. Abigail Sinclair should not have aired her personal prejudice against cartoon sweetie pie golliwogs as she is creating divisions among people and working against community cohesion. She should be sacked for her blatant intolerance and promotion of a view that suggests golliwogs have "negative connotations". They do not.
I'm getting angry now. Abigail Sinclair should not have aired her personal prejudice against cartoon sweetie pie golliwogs as she is creating divisions among people and working against community cohesion. She should be sacked for her blatant intolerance and promotion of a view that suggests golliwogs have "negative connotations". They do not. Valerie Paynter
  • Score: 4

4:37pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
I'm getting angry now. Abigail Sinclair should not have aired her personal prejudice against cartoon sweetie pie golliwogs as she is creating divisions among people and working against community cohesion. She should be sacked for her blatant intolerance and promotion of a view that suggests golliwogs have &quot;negative connotations". They do not.
Agreed! Connotations are something we read into things. They are not an inherent quality of the item itself.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: I'm getting angry now. Abigail Sinclair should not have aired her personal prejudice against cartoon sweetie pie golliwogs as she is creating divisions among people and working against community cohesion. She should be sacked for her blatant intolerance and promotion of a view that suggests golliwogs have "negative connotations". They do not.[/p][/quote]Agreed! Connotations are something we read into things. They are not an inherent quality of the item itself. mimseycal
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Cyril Bolleaux says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them.
We see where you are coming from.
As I said, if you don't follow the official line you get smeared.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: Yes and in the England you grew up in old tv entertainers fiddled with kids and se*ually assualted women and beat them. We see where you are coming from.[/p][/quote]As I said, if you don't follow the official line you get smeared. Cyril Bolleaux
  • Score: -1

5:21pm Fri 30 Aug 13

ourcoalition says...

Gagrivar wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gagrivar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the &quot;Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.
I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument.

You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.
The Argus giving in to pressure from the Council - you are having a laugh aren't you. I'm critical of both at times, but the fact is the Argus certainly doesn't give in to the Council - the reverse is true.

As for your and others view of political correctness, I am all for it. My sister, now 50 years old, has a learning disability (Down's Syndrome) - I grew up with comments such as "mongie", "they shouldn't let them out", and my only thing in common with Tony Blair, is I actually do have scars on my back, from having a go back at the idiots, in Brighton, who thought it was ok to call her names. It is much less now, but not gone away entirely.
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.[/p][/quote]I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument. You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.[/p][/quote]The Argus giving in to pressure from the Council - you are having a laugh aren't you. I'm critical of both at times, but the fact is the Argus certainly doesn't give in to the Council - the reverse is true. As for your and others view of political correctness, I am all for it. My sister, now 50 years old, has a learning disability (Down's Syndrome) - I grew up with comments such as "mongie", "they shouldn't let them out", and my only thing in common with Tony Blair, is I actually do have scars on my back, from having a go back at the idiots, in Brighton, who thought it was ok to call her names. It is much less now, but not gone away entirely. ourcoalition
  • Score: -3

5:21pm Fri 30 Aug 13

saraman says...

Indigatio wrote:
There is nothing wrong with Golliwogs. I've grown up with them. Never considered them racist and never will. We have 2 small ones at home and a very sweet painting by a Shoreham artist called 'Golly' of a girl Golliwog toy in a sitting position. The PC bridge want to get a life and worry about real things instead of figments of petty minded peoples imagination. Well done to Dawn Barnett for standing up to this nonsense and shame on Bert's home store for backing down. As for Abigal Sinclair, I was called all sorts of things at school, most not repeatable in this forum, kids are like that, it wasn't nice but it made me a stronger person.
Quite right Indigatio. At the age of 14-15 I was quite tubby (not fat) and I was called Billy Bunter. So, on the same arguement should we ban all comics with this character in them. No, of course not. This country of ours has gone PC mad.
[quote][p][bold]Indigatio[/bold] wrote: There is nothing wrong with Golliwogs. I've grown up with them. Never considered them racist and never will. We have 2 small ones at home and a very sweet painting by a Shoreham artist called 'Golly' of a girl Golliwog toy in a sitting position. The PC bridge want to get a life and worry about real things instead of figments of petty minded peoples imagination. Well done to Dawn Barnett for standing up to this nonsense and shame on Bert's home store for backing down. As for Abigal Sinclair, I was called all sorts of things at school, most not repeatable in this forum, kids are like that, it wasn't nice but it made me a stronger person.[/p][/quote]Quite right Indigatio. At the age of 14-15 I was quite tubby (not fat) and I was called Billy Bunter. So, on the same arguement should we ban all comics with this character in them. No, of course not. This country of ours has gone PC mad. saraman
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Fri 30 Aug 13

hoveguyactually says...

At one time it was "coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.
At one time it was "coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next. hoveguyactually
  • Score: -2

5:38pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Falmer Wizard says...

So are we saying that only white children should have dolls that represent their colour,surely it is natural that children would want a doll that mirrored themselves.
So are we saying that only white children should have dolls that represent their colour,surely it is natural that children would want a doll that mirrored themselves. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -1

5:57pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

Giving in to calls to ban things because they have 'racist' connotations is to empower racists to determine how I may see the world.
Giving in to calls to ban things because they have 'racist' connotations is to empower racists to determine how I may see the world. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

5:58pm Fri 30 Aug 13

saraman says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
At one time it was &quot;coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.
Hahahahaha. I love it.
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: At one time it was "coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.[/p][/quote]Hahahahaha. I love it. saraman
  • Score: -3

6:34pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Number Six says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
At one time it was &quot;coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.
I'm sure I remember as a little boy it was "black" then that was deemed offensive so the term "coloured" was used. Then it went back to "black" again.

It was all very confusing as a little boy back then, particularly since my gran used to love watching white men on telly with their faces painted black wearing very strange sparkly top hats
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: At one time it was "coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.[/p][/quote]I'm sure I remember as a little boy it was "black" then that was deemed offensive so the term "coloured" was used. Then it went back to "black" again. It was all very confusing as a little boy back then, particularly since my gran used to love watching white men on telly with their faces painted black wearing very strange sparkly top hats Number Six
  • Score: 0

6:45pm Fri 30 Aug 13

south1919 says...

Andy R wrote:
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
And there will always be an Andy R who is a prat
[quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........[/p][/quote]And there will always be an Andy R who is a prat south1919
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
So are we saying that only white children should have dolls that represent their colour,surely it is natural that children would want a doll that mirrored themselves.
There are coloured dolls that you can purchase for your little ones. The point is however that Golliwogs do not represent black children; anymore than Troll dolls represent white children.
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: So are we saying that only white children should have dolls that represent their colour,surely it is natural that children would want a doll that mirrored themselves.[/p][/quote]There are coloured dolls that you can purchase for your little ones. The point is however that Golliwogs do not represent black children; anymore than Troll dolls represent white children. mimseycal
  • Score: 8

7:04pm Fri 30 Aug 13

KarenT says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Gagrivar wrote:
fredflintstone1 wrote:
Gagrivar wrote:
I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the &quot;Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core.

Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera.

Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?
When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.
I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument.

You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.
The Argus giving in to pressure from the Council - you are having a laugh aren't you. I'm critical of both at times, but the fact is the Argus certainly doesn't give in to the Council - the reverse is true.

As for your and others view of political correctness, I am all for it. My sister, now 50 years old, has a learning disability (Down's Syndrome) - I grew up with comments such as "mongie", "they shouldn't let them out", and my only thing in common with Tony Blair, is I actually do have scars on my back, from having a go back at the idiots, in Brighton, who thought it was ok to call her names. It is much less now, but not gone away entirely.
That's horrible that your sister and indeed yourself experienced **** like that. But I'd rather believe that the reason it happens much less now is not down to imposed political correctness but rather the fact that the human race has progressed a bit and are more compassionate as a whole. More informed, more empathetic and more worldly. It's all about education and people being taught compassion - not by being told by someone else HOW to think, but arriving at your own conclusions as to HOW to treat others. Fortunately now, if you do receive such horrible comments, they are generally from ignorant idiots who would even struggle to tie their own shoelaces, and you can just pity them, or punch them, your pick! I'm afraid that's where my compassion ends with regard to how hateful and harmful people are treated in response to the abuse they dole out. Mother Theresa I'm not!
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: I find it hard to believe that so many ignorant people are commenting here. It is an uncontested fact that the "Golliwog" character is dripping with racism, a quick research on its history will show you the names Enid Blyton used for her three Golliwogs, 2 of which would probably get you an instant ban if you typed them. Based on the "Minstrel" character, it is deeply racist and offensive to the core. Our heritage is broad and deep enough with things to be proud about to cling on to such ephemera. Please don't hide behind "anti-PC" smokescreens, be proud of your racism and admit it, same with the "you can't even say black now" idiots, if you can use a computer, you shouldn't get that confused. Being "Politically Correct", a term now only used by people in the mistaken belief that being "anti-PC" somehow endows them with cachet, is only being polite. Why intentionally hurt people when you don't have to?[/p][/quote]When we've got people in caravans who have forced the council into opening up Wild Park so they take over the land at the entrance here; a police inspector who seems to think that such behaviour is ok (they're only covering 95% of the park!!) and makes no arrests for breach of the peace to stop this state of affairs arising in the first place, while the Argus refuses comments thanks to pressure from the Council regarding racism, then you can see exactly where your utopic view of political correctness leads - intimidation, bullying and law-breaking.[/p][/quote]I am not aware of the motivations for the actions of the police inspector you mention, and fail to see the relevance. I take it you have no education or experience in how to construct a cogent argument, so will tackle it as I infer it was intended, and just hope that it's not a cynical fallacy used with little skill to deflect the argument. You don't have to be nice to people, just don't pretend that it's somehow moral to be mindfully verbally offensive.[/p][/quote]The Argus giving in to pressure from the Council - you are having a laugh aren't you. I'm critical of both at times, but the fact is the Argus certainly doesn't give in to the Council - the reverse is true. As for your and others view of political correctness, I am all for it. My sister, now 50 years old, has a learning disability (Down's Syndrome) - I grew up with comments such as "mongie", "they shouldn't let them out", and my only thing in common with Tony Blair, is I actually do have scars on my back, from having a go back at the idiots, in Brighton, who thought it was ok to call her names. It is much less now, but not gone away entirely.[/p][/quote]That's horrible that your sister and indeed yourself experienced **** like that. But I'd rather believe that the reason it happens much less now is not down to imposed political correctness but rather the fact that the human race has progressed a bit and are more compassionate as a whole. More informed, more empathetic and more worldly. It's all about education and people being taught compassion - not by being told by someone else HOW to think, but arriving at your own conclusions as to HOW to treat others. Fortunately now, if you do receive such horrible comments, they are generally from ignorant idiots who would even struggle to tie their own shoelaces, and you can just pity them, or punch them, your pick! I'm afraid that's where my compassion ends with regard to how hateful and harmful people are treated in response to the abuse they dole out. Mother Theresa I'm not! KarenT
  • Score: -1

7:25pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Surely not! says...

Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad!
Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad! Surely not!
  • Score: 3

7:41pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

Cyril Bolleaux wrote:
Andy R wrote:
Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........
Whereas your corner will always is Trotsky's Soviet Union - mass murder and all. Still in the Fourth International?
Hark at you you silly little girl
[quote][p][bold]Cyril Bolleaux[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy R[/bold] wrote: Lovely. There is a corner of Brighton and Hove that will always be Mississippi in the 1950's..........[/p][/quote]Whereas your corner will always is Trotsky's Soviet Union - mass murder and all. Still in the Fourth International?[/p][/quote]Hark at you you silly little girl Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -8

7:47pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -5

8:00pm Fri 30 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

Surely not! wrote:
Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad!
So Hitler and co., took a symbol and hijacked it. Personally I don't object to the swastika outside of the Nazi context. I certainly don't want it banned and I quite like the idea of using it as placemats ... put a steaming mug of coffee on it and a plate of some home made biscuits and it certainly would be happiness ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Surely not![/bold] wrote: Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]So Hitler and co., took a symbol and hijacked it. Personally I don't object to the swastika outside of the Nazi context. I certainly don't want it banned and I quite like the idea of using it as placemats ... put a steaming mug of coffee on it and a plate of some home made biscuits and it certainly would be happiness ;-) mimseycal
  • Score: 0

8:00pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Fight_Back wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.
While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all.
Well said, I don't mind being called a 'Brit' or even 'Chalky'
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!![/p][/quote]Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.[/p][/quote]While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all.[/p][/quote]Well said, I don't mind being called a 'Brit' or even 'Chalky' Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 1

8:03pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Wivvy Dave says...

I think there may be more important things to get worked up about right now. Being all pc about toys comes a long way down my list of priorities. Just off to have some jam (probably Robertsons) on lovely thick toast.
I think there may be more important things to get worked up about right now. Being all pc about toys comes a long way down my list of priorities. Just off to have some jam (probably Robertsons) on lovely thick toast. Wivvy Dave
  • Score: 4

8:16pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Telscombe Cliffy says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
At one time it was &quot;coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.
Some sort of DNA number?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: At one time it was "coloured". Then it became "black". Now it is "Afro-Carribean" or "Afro-American". I wonder what it will be next.[/p][/quote]Some sort of DNA number? Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: -3

8:33pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Automaton says...

Surely not! wrote:
Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad!
Cricket aren't there more important things to worry about such as the use of chemical weapons on children
[quote][p][bold]Surely not![/bold] wrote: Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]Cricket aren't there more important things to worry about such as the use of chemical weapons on children Automaton
  • Score: -1

8:34pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Gagrivar wrote:
clubrob6 wrote:
This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.
I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all.
Thank God, one less supercilious prat online !
[quote][p][bold]Gagrivar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: This is taking things too far,ive still got a goliwog from when I was a kid,how can anyone think its racist shows they themselves are racist towards blacks.Are they going to ban pictures of black people too?If anything if a child has a black doll of goliwog it shows that racism is on its way out.People complaining about such things are actually reversing whats been achieved.[/p][/quote]I think that this is where I say goodbye to this thread before my cranium suffers too much damage. Bye Racists. Bye the ignorant. I'll probably see you again, this is the internet after-all.[/p][/quote]Thank God, one less supercilious prat online ! Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: -2

8:38pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

Automaton wrote:
Surely not! wrote:
Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad!
Cricket aren't there more important things to worry about such as the use of chemical weapons on children
Is that what you are proposing?

I intend to report you
[quote][p][bold]Automaton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Surely not![/bold] wrote: Of course he's just a cuddly little happy feller who couldn't cause offence... just as my swastika place mats symbolise happiness. How could anyone object to that? Its political correctness gone mad![/p][/quote]Cricket aren't there more important things to worry about such as the use of chemical weapons on children[/p][/quote]Is that what you are proposing? I intend to report you Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -6

8:58pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

A nursery rhyme for our times :-

There really just isn’t any pleasing
Our campaigner for community cohesion,
“I was called a golliwog” she said
“And it messed with my head”
So it now seems that golliwogs are in season
A nursery rhyme for our times :- There really just isn’t any pleasing Our campaigner for community cohesion, “I was called a golliwog” she said “And it messed with my head” So it now seems that golliwogs are in season Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

There really just isn’t any pleasing
Our campaigner for community cohesion,
“I was called a golliwog” she said
“And it messed with my head”
So it now seems that golliwogs are in season
Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both?
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- There really just isn’t any pleasing Our campaigner for community cohesion, “I was called a golliwog” she said “And it messed with my head” So it now seems that golliwogs are in season[/p][/quote]Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both? Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -6

9:23pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

There really just isn’t any pleasing
Our campaigner for community cohesion,
“I was called a golliwog” she said
“And it messed with my head”
So it now seems that golliwogs are in season
Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both?
Oh dear, offended your superior intellect have I ?

Grow up Mr Angry
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- There really just isn’t any pleasing Our campaigner for community cohesion, “I was called a golliwog” she said “And it messed with my head” So it now seems that golliwogs are in season[/p][/quote]Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, offended your superior intellect have I ? Grow up Mr Angry Idontbelieveit1948
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Fri 30 Aug 13

gaz scott says...

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings
arejustwrong has a new user name.
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat[/p][/quote]Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings arejustwrong has a new user name. gaz scott
  • Score: -3

9:51pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
A nursery rhyme for our times :-

There really just isn’t any pleasing
Our campaigner for community cohesion,
“I was called a golliwog” she said
“And it messed with my head”
So it now seems that golliwogs are in season
Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both?
Oh dear, offended your superior intellect have I ?

Grow up Mr Angry
Rubbish
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: A nursery rhyme for our times :- There really just isn’t any pleasing Our campaigner for community cohesion, “I was called a golliwog” she said “And it messed with my head” So it now seems that golliwogs are in season[/p][/quote]Are you on drugs, just pathetic, or both?[/p][/quote]Oh dear, offended your superior intellect have I ? Grow up Mr Angry[/p][/quote]Rubbish Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -6

9:54pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

gaz scott wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings

arejustwrong has a new user name.
Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz

You still haven't shown me proof
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat[/p][/quote]Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings arejustwrong has a new user name.[/p][/quote]Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz You still haven't shown me proof Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -6

10:06pm Fri 30 Aug 13

gaz scott says...

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings


arejustwrong has a new user name.
Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz

You still haven't shown me proof
"Still"? I said "sounds like".
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat[/p][/quote]Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings arejustwrong has a new user name.[/p][/quote]Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz You still haven't shown me proof[/p][/quote]"Still"? I said "sounds like". gaz scott
  • Score: -6

10:15pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

gaz scott wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings



arejustwrong has a new user name.
Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz

You still haven't shown me proof
"Still"? I said "sounds like".
You still haven't shown me proof on a number of issues, I realize I am asking the question of myself, but then I am bi-polar, aren't we Gaz?
[quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat[/p][/quote]Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings arejustwrong has a new user name.[/p][/quote]Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz You still haven't shown me proof[/p][/quote]"Still"? I said "sounds like".[/p][/quote]You still haven't shown me proof on a number of issues, I realize I am asking the question of myself, but then I am bi-polar, aren't we Gaz? Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -5

11:54pm Fri 30 Aug 13

UltraSparc says...

I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing.

I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it.
I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing. I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it. UltraSparc
  • Score: 9

11:59pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

UltraSparc wrote:
I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing.

I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it.
tw@t
[quote][p][bold]UltraSparc[/bold] wrote: I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing. I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it.[/p][/quote]tw@t Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -2

7:40am Sat 31 Aug 13

TIMBURRY says...

So The Argus allows people to make comments on whether golliwog is racist or not and yet they don't allow us to comment on gypsies because that's ment to be racists. Every other paper in UK allows it apart from The Argus, why.
So The Argus allows people to make comments on whether golliwog is racist or not and yet they don't allow us to comment on gypsies because that's ment to be racists. Every other paper in UK allows it apart from The Argus, why. TIMBURRY
  • Score: 2

7:55am Sat 31 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
gaz scott wrote:
Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet).

The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
I am not a Conservative and you are a prat
Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings


arejustwrong has a new user name.
Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz

You still haven't shown me proof
Hey Gazzzzaaaaaaaaaa. Are you Caroline Lucas and Jason KITTWAT in disguise????
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gaz scott[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]I am not a Conservative and you are a prat[/p][/quote]Sounds like Bladesboy/Somethings arejustwrong has a new user name.[/p][/quote]Whilst we are just one, we seem to be drifting apart Gaz You still haven't shown me proof[/p][/quote]Hey Gazzzzaaaaaaaaaa. Are you Caroline Lucas and Jason KITTWAT in disguise???? Hoarder12345444
  • Score: -1

8:26am Sat 31 Aug 13

RickH says...

KarenT wrote:
RickH wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?
I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting.
And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?[/p][/quote]I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting. And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day. RickH
  • Score: -1

8:49am Sat 31 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

RickH wrote:
KarenT wrote:
RickH wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?
I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting.
And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day.
RickH for clarity is another of my 'pen names' within the Gaz Scott portfolio. I also use 2 others and would ask you to guess which these are.
[quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?[/p][/quote]I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting. And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day.[/p][/quote]RickH for clarity is another of my 'pen names' within the Gaz Scott portfolio. I also use 2 others and would ask you to guess which these are. Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -4

10:40am Sat 31 Aug 13

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat says...

Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat wrote:
RickH wrote:
KarenT wrote:
RickH wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie &quot;... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose!
Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?
I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting.
And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day.
RickH for clarity is another of my 'pen names' within the Gaz Scott portfolio. I also use 2 others and would ask you to guess which these are.
Here's one of them... 'All 9 of me'
[quote][p][bold]Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RickH[/bold] wrote: So the campaingers thought they were racsist, those that complained thought so too and the shop-owner has stated that shop would not be selling the golliwog place mats in future ie "... if one of our products gives offence, we are always happy to remove it from sale.” (In the main because they know the economic s**t-storm that could happen as customers vote with their feet). The only people who don't see it as racist are a Conservative councillor and the majority of the Argus 'commentarati' - plus ca change I suppose![/p][/quote]Only "some" found it offensive - most (at least evidenced by this Argus poll) have no problem with them. If you see the general demographic of Argus readers who comment and vote as people with stupid opinions that shouldn't be taken seriously then what are YOU doing here commenting?[/p][/quote]I don't see their opinions as 'stupid' or otherwise, just very skewed twowards one view and generally reactionary in tone. And one can hardly rely on an Argus poll to represent the actual views of a cross-section of Brighton (and UK) residents - do you really expect me to beleive that 2/3 of the population are unable to understand the rascist and stereotypical histroty of the golliwog and the offense it can cause to Black people? You really do need to gain abetter understanding of statistics before commenting. And your attempt at a slight is a little unbecoming, with insults generally being the last refuge of those unable to support what they believe. Have a good day.[/p][/quote]RickH for clarity is another of my 'pen names' within the Gaz Scott portfolio. I also use 2 others and would ask you to guess which these are.[/p][/quote]Here's one of them... 'All 9 of me' Gaz Scott in a Marxist Squat
  • Score: -6

12:48pm Sat 31 Aug 13

UltraSparc says...

Valerie Paynter wrote:
Why shouldn't black people be depicted in doll form? White people are.
And to be clear here and no disrespect Valerie, I find this comment offensive.

A golliwog is not a "black person" doll. I and no one I know look like a golliwog, just as no one I know looks like a fat lipped person in a raffia skirt with a bone through their nose, cooking some unsuspecting European in a big cauldron as in Tin Tin.

Again, it's attitudes that are the problem not the remnants of days past.
[quote][p][bold]Valerie Paynter[/bold] wrote: Why shouldn't black people be depicted in doll form? White people are.[/p][/quote]And to be clear here and no disrespect Valerie, I find this comment offensive. A golliwog is not a "black person" doll. I and no one I know look like a golliwog, just as no one I know looks like a fat lipped person in a raffia skirt with a bone through their nose, cooking some unsuspecting European in a big cauldron as in Tin Tin. Again, it's attitudes that are the problem not the remnants of days past. UltraSparc
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Sat 31 Aug 13

chrismilo says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
KarenT.
The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc
They are the victims of the racism and this was their position.
Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that?
How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?
Sticks & stones springs to mind !

Beware when the Martians land, We will have to ban the Green party, Martians will be offended by the word Green
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: KarenT. The black community and the various organisations representing ethnic communities have stated that they find the negative connotations with golliwogs as racist as the term became used as a negative. Now while some people say words should not hurt, some of those shouting words would discriminate against the individual who would be refused work, housing etc They are the victims of the racism and this was their position. Karen, if a man said to you that women should stay at home in the kitchen and were hopeless in the workplace and should put up with being beaten, would you be happy to accept that? How would you feel about white men saying this about you and telling you how you should feel?[/p][/quote]Sticks & stones springs to mind ! Beware when the Martians land, We will have to ban the Green party, Martians will be offended by the word Green chrismilo
  • Score: 2

4:15pm Sat 31 Aug 13

Number Six says...

Why wait until the Martians land?
Why wait until the Martians land? Number Six
  • Score: -1

4:31pm Sat 31 Aug 13

KarenT says...

UltraSparc wrote:
I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing.

I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it.
Gotta admit, that's funny, "get back on your jar"! That made me laugh! It's so ridiculous, and it's good that you'd burst out laughing too. The thing is, years ago it would've been horrible to hear that, but now, it's just ludicrous and risable. Like if I was around during the Suffragettes I think I would've found condescending remarks directed towards women pretty awful, particularly because they would've come not just from the ignorant idjits of the day but also from the establishment and the educated. NOW, the only people who say that stuff are walking and talking no-brains, so who cares what they think? As I said before, they will be bred out of existence eventually, with any luck.
[quote][p][bold]UltraSparc[/bold] wrote: I'm black, brown, bronze, coloured, half caste - I don't even know how to describe myself these days - have I just offended anyone? I grew up in the '70's and '80's and was called a golli(wog) and told to get back on my jar. If someone said that to me now I think I'd burst out laughing. I don't give a toss if people want to own, sell or display golliwogs. Attitudes were different 40 years ago, it's time to get over it.[/p][/quote]Gotta admit, that's funny, "get back on your jar"! That made me laugh! It's so ridiculous, and it's good that you'd burst out laughing too. The thing is, years ago it would've been horrible to hear that, but now, it's just ludicrous and risable. Like if I was around during the Suffragettes I think I would've found condescending remarks directed towards women pretty awful, particularly because they would've come not just from the ignorant idjits of the day but also from the establishment and the educated. NOW, the only people who say that stuff are walking and talking no-brains, so who cares what they think? As I said before, they will be bred out of existence eventually, with any luck. KarenT
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Sat 31 Aug 13

John Steed says...

Fight_Back wrote:
jamus77 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.
While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all.
"much ado about nothing"
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!![/p][/quote]Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.[/p][/quote]While I know where golliwogs originated from you can hardly call the soft toy version racist. For starters the colour they are - you know jet BLACK - doesn't even closely resemble coloured people. Nor do the features. As for suggesting banning them because their name can be shorterned to something offensive - well - STUPID !!!! I guess I can't mention Pakistan for risk of someone shortening it to an offensive word ? Really, get off you're high horse and put your feet back on the ground. There are plenty of things a small number of people find offensive - we don't go around banning them all.[/p][/quote]"much ado about nothing" John Steed
  • Score: 0

5:09pm Sat 31 Aug 13

Col. Joshua John-Ward says...

Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton Col. Joshua John-Ward
  • Score: -1

5:09pm Sat 31 Aug 13

Col. Joshua John-Ward says...

By the way. It is a Shovel.
By the way. It is a Shovel. Col. Joshua John-Ward
  • Score: -1

5:17pm Sat 31 Aug 13

KarenT says...

I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too!
I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too! KarenT
  • Score: 2

9:11pm Sat 31 Aug 13

Col. Joshua John-Ward says...

KarenT wrote:
I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they &quot;should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too!
All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh!
Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too![/p][/quote]All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh! Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you... Col. Joshua John-Ward
  • Score: -1

9:29pm Sat 31 Aug 13

mimseycal says...

Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
KarenT wrote:
I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they &quot;should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too!
All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh!
Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...
Pathetic!
[quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too![/p][/quote]All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh! Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...[/p][/quote]Pathetic! mimseycal
  • Score: 0

10:37am Sun 1 Sep 13

Number Six says...

mimseycal wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
KarenT wrote:
I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they &quot;should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too!
All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh!
Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...
Pathetic!
As I've said before, alcohol and the internet don't mix
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too![/p][/quote]All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh! Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...[/p][/quote]Pathetic![/p][/quote]As I've said before, alcohol and the internet don't mix Number Six
  • Score: 2

11:08am Sun 1 Sep 13

KarenT says...

Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
KarenT wrote:
I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they &quot;should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too!
All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh!
Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...
Looks to me like someone is just really bored and trying very hard to be provocative in order to get incensed reactions. At least that's what I'm telling myself, as no one could be that stupid. But then again, people can surprise you. If they were genuine, then I'm back to my advocacy of enforced sterilisation! :D
[quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I think Barbie dolls are far more dangerous to society than Golliwogs! Perpetuating the myth that beautiful women have disproportionately long legs and tiny waists just slightly bigger than their wrists, with not one millimetre of excess body fat! How many women of ALL races each year either become anorexic or body dysmorphic and end up self-harming or even dying because of these crazy dolls?! Well, I won't blame Barbie for all of it but she has played a big part in damaging girls' minds about how they "should look"! Just look at the number of girls who straighten their hair and die it blonde! Even African-American girls, who seem to have forgotten that natural curly black hair is beautiful too![/p][/quote]All the ugly girls resent Barbie and Sindy... Closet Lesbians.. At least I will to have to shave my legs, eyebrows, top lip, arms etc eh! Black dolls are.. Well, the inflatable ones are more expensive but do not steal from you...[/p][/quote]Looks to me like someone is just really bored and trying very hard to be provocative in order to get incensed reactions. At least that's what I'm telling myself, as no one could be that stupid. But then again, people can surprise you. If they were genuine, then I'm back to my advocacy of enforced sterilisation! :D KarenT
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Sun 1 Sep 13

sockpuppetz says...

Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.
[quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton[/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day. sockpuppetz
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Sun 1 Sep 13

KarenT says...

sockpuppetz wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.
:D
[quote][p][bold]sockpuppetz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton[/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.[/p][/quote]:D KarenT
  • Score: -1

4:23pm Sun 1 Sep 13

Col. Joshua John-Ward says...

KarenT wrote:
sockpuppetz wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.
:D
Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! )
Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls.
I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sockpuppetz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton[/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.[/p][/quote]:D[/p][/quote]Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! ) Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls. I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most! Col. Joshua John-Ward
  • Score: -2

6:36pm Sun 1 Sep 13

sockpuppetz says...

Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
KarenT wrote:
sockpuppetz wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.
:D
Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! )
Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls.
I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most!
Hello fellow sock puppet. Here's a tip, if you have multiple sessions open on your web browser, then you don't need to keep logging in and out when you want to post on your multiple accounts, of course you are a well off well balanced individual, that's fine, we can all agree to believe that if it means you won't self harm anymore.
Have you finished Treasure Island yet?
[quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sockpuppetz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton[/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.[/p][/quote]:D[/p][/quote]Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! ) Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls. I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most![/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Here's a tip, if you have multiple sessions open on your web browser, then you don't need to keep logging in and out when you want to post on your multiple accounts, of course you are a well off well balanced individual, that's fine, we can all agree to believe that if it means you won't self harm anymore. Have you finished Treasure Island yet? sockpuppetz
  • Score: -1

7:28pm Sun 1 Sep 13

Col. Joshua John-Ward says...

sockpuppetz wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
KarenT wrote:
sockpuppetz wrote:
Col. Joshua John-Ward wrote:
Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton
Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.
:D
Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! )
Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls.
I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most!
Hello fellow sock puppet. Here's a tip, if you have multiple sessions open on your web browser, then you don't need to keep logging in and out when you want to post on your multiple accounts, of course you are a well off well balanced individual, that's fine, we can all agree to believe that if it means you won't self harm anymore.
Have you finished Treasure Island yet?
A Sockpuppetz, is your idea of interracial sex using a Black Sock?
[quote][p][bold]sockpuppetz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sockpuppetz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Col. Joshua John-Ward[/bold] wrote: Why are the Black and White Minstrels not shown anymore? We used to love it.. The whole family enjoyed it... Now we have to drive to Brighton[/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Don't you think the faux racism is a bit well, crap? Didnt another of your sock puppets all ready reference the black and white minstrels. Are you getting forgetful or did you just not get enough reaction first time round? We all feel that we could have done better in life, your relationships would get better if you spent more time on them and less time on the Argus website. You can lose that extra weight if you eat better, don't be angry about it, you may feel ignored at work but trying to be a puppet master on the Argus website isn't going to solve the root causes of your feelings of lack of empowerment in the real world. Go outside, it's a lovely day.[/p][/quote]:D[/p][/quote]Sockpuppetz...You have something against overweight people? What a confused individual you are! (I must admit, I am not a fan of the fat Gollywogs and they are legion! but,I would not go so far as to denigrate them! ) Hard work and industry keeps my boys fit. White fat people (Moolsecoombians) are represented by Cabbage Patch Dolls. I personally do not like Red Haired People, Cyclists, LGBTG, Veggies, Travellers, Greens, Unemployed, Immigrants...but there again, I am ...just your average guy, albeit richer than most![/p][/quote]Hello fellow sock puppet. Here's a tip, if you have multiple sessions open on your web browser, then you don't need to keep logging in and out when you want to post on your multiple accounts, of course you are a well off well balanced individual, that's fine, we can all agree to believe that if it means you won't self harm anymore. Have you finished Treasure Island yet?[/p][/quote]A Sockpuppetz, is your idea of interracial sex using a Black Sock? Col. Joshua John-Ward
  • Score: 2

9:57am Wed 4 Sep 13

donkyderby says...

i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing
i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing donkyderby
  • Score: 1

10:19am Wed 4 Sep 13

mimseycal says...

donkyderby wrote:
i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing
Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended.

I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark "black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist.
[quote][p][bold]donkyderby[/bold] wrote: i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing[/p][/quote]Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended. I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark "black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

10:24am Wed 4 Sep 13

donkyderby says...

mimseycal wrote:
donkyderby wrote:
i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing
Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended.

I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark &quot;black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist.
nice story bro
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donkyderby[/bold] wrote: i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing[/p][/quote]Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended. I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark "black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist.[/p][/quote]nice story bro donkyderby
  • Score: 0

10:56am Wed 4 Sep 13

mimseycal says...

donkyderby wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
donkyderby wrote:
i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing
Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended.

I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark &quot;black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist.
nice story bro
Not a story but relating a true incident donkeyderby ... BTW, if you must refer to me in that colloquial manner, it is sis ;-)
[quote][p][bold]donkyderby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donkyderby[/bold] wrote: i'm quite suprised by the ignorance of a lot of the comments here. i didn't expect that of brighton. just because you had a golliwog as a child and liked its smiley face doesn't mean that it's not offensive. there's no reasoning with some people though. this comment will no doubt get a deluge of 'thumbs down'. depressing[/p][/quote]Wha tis depressing my dear donkeyderby is how tenaciously some people hang on to their right to be offended. I remember once wasting two hours, never to be recovered, because a certain individual overheard a remark made by two friends who were having a private conversation. We spent the next two hours, which should have been spent on a monthly budget meeting, discussing whether or not the remark "black as the ace of spades" in relation to the lack of light in a cavern entered during a potholing expedition was racist.[/p][/quote]nice story bro[/p][/quote]Not a story but relating a true incident donkeyderby ... BTW, if you must refer to me in that colloquial manner, it is sis ;-) mimseycal
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Wed 4 Sep 13

allykatz says...

jamus77 wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!!
Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.
You may want to check out Wikipedias version of the term "wog"
More recently European-Australian performing artists have taken ownership of the term "wog", defusing its original pejorative nature

Perhaps its time everyone moved on from some offensive words and shall we say "renbranded " them.

Dolls features are often exaggerated for any race, and a golly wog doesn't look any different from a jemima doll

Anyway I think we should should give the 21st century a go with new expended attitudes, not racist, not the other one, how about we treat everyone the same as each other (ie not very well mostly) as you have clearly depicted in your kind and understanding post. (oh the irony)
[quote][p][bold]jamus77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: I was called gay as a child by bullies - does that mean anything depicting gay people should be banned because it could open up old wounds? Of course not. Seriously, some people need to tone down their sensitivity levels !!![/p][/quote]Well done, you win the Idiot of the Day prize. Has it occurred to you that a) a golliwog's features are absurdly exaggerated so as to be offensive b) a derivative of golliwog (the last three letters in case you're wondering) was used as a racially offensive term for years,and c) images designed to belittle or cause offense to the gay community would be banned. Apart from that, excellent post.[/p][/quote]You may want to check out Wikipedias version of the term "wog" More recently European-Australian performing artists have taken ownership of the term "wog", defusing its original pejorative nature Perhaps its time everyone moved on from some offensive words and shall we say "renbranded " them. Dolls features are often exaggerated for any race, and a golly wog doesn't look any different from a jemima doll Anyway I think we should should give the 21st century a go with new expended attitudes, not racist, not the other one, how about we treat everyone the same as each other (ie not very well mostly) as you have clearly depicted in your kind and understanding post. (oh the irony) allykatz
  • Score: 2

3:06am Thu 5 Sep 13

losdude says...

I remember an indian girl being called 'mars bar' in school, she got upset and responded by calling the other girl a 'milky bar'! fair 'nuff response, though maybe we should ban both of these because people were offended by them....

Seriously dudes, we should be beyond this kind of nonsense, what's the difference between a black doll or a white doll?!?
though if you want to live in the past, even though the majority of people who were affected by it have gotten way over it, and kids these days don't even understand what the problem is, then go ahead,
but leave your old school racist views to yourselves and stop trying to keep an issue that was over decades ago alive for your own self importance.
I remember an indian girl being called 'mars bar' in school, she got upset and responded by calling the other girl a 'milky bar'! fair 'nuff response, though maybe we should ban both of these because people were offended by them.... Seriously dudes, we should be beyond this kind of nonsense, what's the difference between a black doll or a white doll?!? though if you want to live in the past, even though the majority of people who were affected by it have gotten way over it, and kids these days don't even understand what the problem is, then go ahead, but leave your old school racist views to yourselves and stop trying to keep an issue that was over decades ago alive for your own self importance. losdude
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Thu 5 Sep 13

runnergirl says...

Very well said. If the Argus 'poll' had been put together intelligently it would have surveyed the views of the black and ethnic minorities amongst its readership (though I'm beginning to doubt it has such a thing) rather than spew out a simple-minded yes-or-no referendum to the general Brighton populace. I don't believe, as a white person, that I have any right to assert whether or not I find the golliwog image offensive - but I do know that black citizens in our community find it very offensive indeed, especially when conjured up to intimidate and humiliate. So I'm with them: if they are offended, then so am I.
Very well said. If the Argus 'poll' had been put together intelligently it would have surveyed the views of the black and ethnic minorities amongst its readership (though I'm beginning to doubt it has such a thing) rather than spew out a simple-minded yes-or-no referendum to the general Brighton populace. I don't believe, as a white person, that I have any right to assert whether or not I find the golliwog image offensive - but I do know that black citizens in our community find it very offensive indeed, especially when conjured up to intimidate and humiliate. So I'm with them: if they are offended, then so am I. runnergirl
  • Score: 4

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