Woman dragged into Brighton flat and raped

The Argus: Have you seen this man? Police would like to talk to him Have you seen this man? Police would like to talk to him

A teenager was forced into a flat and raped after a night out in Brighton. 

Police today launched an appeal for witnesses for the gruelling attack which happened as she walked along Kings Road between Coalition and Oceana. 

The man began talking to the 19-year-old woman as they walked west towards Hove but then pulled her into a building near Norfolk Square and forced himself on her.

The victim fled from the flat after the assault and called police.

CCTV footage recorded in the area shows a man that officers would like to speak to.

Officers have so far been unable to identify exactly where the attack happened but the victim has described the flat as being small. It had white walls, a grey or cream carpet and a desk or bedside table with a train set or train figure on it.

Detective Constable Carmelle Kemp said: "The victim has been left badly shaken by what happened and we are working hard to try to catch her attacker.

"The assault happened at about 2.15am on August 24 and officers have been working since then to try to confirm exactly where it took place. We believe the attacker used the fact that the teenager had been drinking to force her into his home and rape her.

"Although it happened several months ago, we hope someone will recognise the descriptions of the inside of the flat or the attacker and be able to tell us who was responsible.

"I would urge anyone who recognises the descriptions to contact us."

The attacker is described as being of Middle Eastern descent, stocky and between 30 and 40 with short dark hair. He was wearing a black t-shirt and three-quarter length trousers with dark shoes.

Anyone with information should call 101 quoting serial 240 of 24/8, email contact.centre@sussex.pnn.police.uk or call the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555111.

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4:50pm Mon 2 Dec 13

Caute3 says...

Terrible story - then you read - 'it happened several months ago'. Hello? Begs so many questions one is baffled where to start.
Terrible story - then you read - 'it happened several months ago'. Hello? Begs so many questions one is baffled where to start. Caute3

9:12pm Mon 2 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon. PorkBoat

10:58pm Mon 2 Dec 13

clubrob6 says...

It goes to show how serious sussex police take such vile crimes,surely if this was made headlines soon after it happened the case could have been quickly resolved now the culprit has probably gone abroad.In the summer months gangs of middle eastern men are often hanging around night clubs as they get out.
It goes to show how serious sussex police take such vile crimes,surely if this was made headlines soon after it happened the case could have been quickly resolved now the culprit has probably gone abroad.In the summer months gangs of middle eastern men are often hanging around night clubs as they get out. clubrob6

11:38pm Mon 2 Dec 13

anubis says...

The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later.

Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them.

I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police ....
The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later. Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them. I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police .... anubis

11:59pm Mon 2 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

anubis wrote:
The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later.

Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them.

I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police ....
Have a rant on a tram, and you will have your collar felt , your name spread all over the papers, the footage all over the news, death threats, all within a few hours.
[quote][p][bold]anubis[/bold] wrote: The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later. Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them. I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police ....[/p][/quote]Have a rant on a tram, and you will have your collar felt , your name spread all over the papers, the footage all over the news, death threats, all within a few hours. PorkBoat

12:49am Tue 3 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

anubis wrote:
The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later.

Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them.

I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police ....
If the Police released an image of someone they wanted to talk to and that person was recognised by someone happy to beat a rapist to death, would they be incompetent to have released the image as the first attempt to identify a suspect?
An innocent man was beaten to death and set alight because he was thought to be a paedophile by his neighbour earlier this year.
[quote][p][bold]anubis[/bold] wrote: The incredible thing is that it seems to be the norm that when these attacks happen, and video footage is available, the public sees the photographic evidence THREE months later. Other papers, TODAY, have described a gang attack on a young woman on a bus ... she was attacked, had a can of beer poured over he, was knocked to the floor, unconscious after kicking and punching ... and the three attackers got off the bus. This attack (in London) was filmed by the bus camera; four shots were published, today -- again, four months later, and the police are asking the public for assistance in identifying them. I'd love somebody to explain this gross incompetence on the part of the police ....[/p][/quote]If the Police released an image of someone they wanted to talk to and that person was recognised by someone happy to beat a rapist to death, would they be incompetent to have released the image as the first attempt to identify a suspect? An innocent man was beaten to death and set alight because he was thought to be a paedophile by his neighbour earlier this year. Baldseagull

9:15am Tue 3 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

clubrob6 wrote:
It goes to show how serious sussex police take such vile crimes,surely if this was made headlines soon after it happened the case could have been quickly resolved now the culprit has probably gone abroad.In the summer months gangs of middle eastern men are often hanging around night clubs as they get out.
CCTV has enabled the illusion of security at huge expense. It would be interesting to see if the direct correlation between dropping number of beats and increasing the number of CCTV cameras ... The increase of CCTV cameras is however a central government issue and not the local police force.

As for why they took so long to publicise these extremely gritty images ... who knows. Would be interesting to hear the rationale though.
[quote][p][bold]clubrob6[/bold] wrote: It goes to show how serious sussex police take such vile crimes,surely if this was made headlines soon after it happened the case could have been quickly resolved now the culprit has probably gone abroad.In the summer months gangs of middle eastern men are often hanging around night clubs as they get out.[/p][/quote]CCTV has enabled the illusion of security at huge expense. It would be interesting to see if the direct correlation between dropping number of beats and increasing the number of CCTV cameras ... The increase of CCTV cameras is however a central government issue and not the local police force. As for why they took so long to publicise these extremely gritty images ... who knows. Would be interesting to hear the rationale though. mimseycal

9:17am Tue 3 Dec 13

spa301 says...

PorkBoat wrote:
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent? spa301

9:47am Tue 3 Dec 13

LargeAndInCharge says...

How the hell is anyone supposed to recognize that man with those useless CCTV images?! My mobile phone could produce a better quality image! And just remember that speed cameras will show the colour of your eyes. Great to know where the police and government's priorities are!!!
How the hell is anyone supposed to recognize that man with those useless CCTV images?! My mobile phone could produce a better quality image! And just remember that speed cameras will show the colour of your eyes. Great to know where the police and government's priorities are!!! LargeAndInCharge

10:54am Tue 3 Dec 13

clubrob6 says...

LargeAndInCharge wrote:
How the hell is anyone supposed to recognize that man with those useless CCTV images?! My mobile phone could produce a better quality image! And just remember that speed cameras will show the colour of your eyes. Great to know where the police and government's priorities are!!!
I agree how come cctv images are so poor,i was on the motorway last year and my brother was done for speeding going 7 mph over the limit the cctv image shown images of us very clearly.Police are no longer on duty at night after the cuts even though crime is officially down,but this is just because we have few police about to record any at night,plus the online report form on the police website just gets ignored as I found out last year.We simply need more police on the beat as there backup cctv is simply not working.
[quote][p][bold]LargeAndInCharge[/bold] wrote: How the hell is anyone supposed to recognize that man with those useless CCTV images?! My mobile phone could produce a better quality image! And just remember that speed cameras will show the colour of your eyes. Great to know where the police and government's priorities are!!![/p][/quote]I agree how come cctv images are so poor,i was on the motorway last year and my brother was done for speeding going 7 mph over the limit the cctv image shown images of us very clearly.Police are no longer on duty at night after the cuts even though crime is officially down,but this is just because we have few police about to record any at night,plus the online report form on the police website just gets ignored as I found out last year.We simply need more police on the beat as there backup cctv is simply not working. clubrob6

11:01am Tue 3 Dec 13

welesmere says...

August 24th? Give me a break ...
August 24th? Give me a break ... welesmere

11:21am Tue 3 Dec 13

peebee9 says...

I can't remember what I was doing last week, let alone August 24.
I can't remember what I was doing last week, let alone August 24. peebee9

11:35am Tue 3 Dec 13

s&k says...

Terrible. But what those words 'a night out in Brighton' evoke these days! We're paying the price of being a party town.
Terrible. But what those words 'a night out in Brighton' evoke these days! We're paying the price of being a party town. s&k

12:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

spa301 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?
In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place.
[quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?[/p][/quote]In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place. PorkBoat

1:20pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Ashles says...

PorkBoat wrote:
spa301 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?
In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place.
That's absolute nonsense.

In the US criminals aren't deterred by other people having guns. They shoot them. With their guns.
Have you even heard of Los Angeles?
Have you ever visited the US?
Have you ever seen, I don't know... the news? Ever?

Perhaps you'd like to detail examples of built up US areas where guns can be legally carried that have lower levels of violent crime than the UK? There must be loads according to your claims. America's a big place.
And where is a 'ludicrous' place for strict gun laws in the US that backs up your claim? Somewhere where guns are illegal (you know, like in the UK) and yet has higher than average violent crime?
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?[/p][/quote]In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place.[/p][/quote]That's absolute nonsense. In the US criminals aren't deterred by other people having guns. They shoot them. With their guns. Have you even heard of Los Angeles? Have you ever visited the US? Have you ever seen, I don't know... the news? Ever? Perhaps you'd like to detail examples of built up US areas where guns can be legally carried that have lower levels of violent crime than the UK? There must be loads according to your claims. America's a big place. And where is a 'ludicrous' place for strict gun laws in the US that backs up your claim? Somewhere where guns are illegal (you know, like in the UK) and yet has higher than average violent crime? Ashles

1:24pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Brightonresident89 says...

Unbelievable. I appreciate the danger of releasing an image of an individual and the public making a gross error in mistaking someone who is innocent to be guilty and taking matters into their own hands out of anger. However I do not appreciate the police sitting on their backsides when they could of informed local female residents of the incident in a sensitive confidential manner and to be weary of the attack. Especially for those who live on or near the street it happened! I live a a few streets away and regularly walk past Norfolk square. Its great to know for the past THREE MONTHS I was unaware of an attack that took place putting myself and many at RISK. I do not agree with changing the law so I can carry a gun or knife but If I and many others are to be left vulnerable it shouldn't be a question that I should be allowed to carry mace to defend myself seeing as the police are so lacks with our safety.
Unbelievable. I appreciate the danger of releasing an image of an individual and the public making a gross error in mistaking someone who is innocent to be guilty and taking matters into their own hands out of anger. However I do not appreciate the police sitting on their backsides when they could of informed local female residents of the incident in a sensitive confidential manner and to be weary of the attack. Especially for those who live on or near the street it happened! I live a a few streets away and regularly walk past Norfolk square. Its great to know for the past THREE MONTHS I was unaware of an attack that took place putting myself and many at RISK. I do not agree with changing the law so I can carry a gun or knife but If I and many others are to be left vulnerable it shouldn't be a question that I should be allowed to carry mace to defend myself seeing as the police are so lacks with our safety. Brightonresident89

4:04pm Tue 3 Dec 13

boo2005 says...

PorkBoat wrote:
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy!
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy! boo2005

4:38pm Tue 3 Dec 13

tooned_in says...

Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward
Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward tooned_in

4:41pm Tue 3 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.
Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life. sussexram40

4:42pm Tue 3 Dec 13

sussexram40 says...

I guess a lot of the cctv is a private. Not official Police systems.
I guess a lot of the cctv is a private. Not official Police systems. sussexram40

5:10pm Tue 3 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

tooned_in wrote:
Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward
Young women, provided they are law abiding citizens going about their lawful business should be able to walk the streets at any time as should all other law abiding citizens regardless of gender. It is the lawbreaking scum who should be wary of treading OUR streets!

Prevention in this instance is caving in to might over right.
[quote][p][bold]tooned_in[/bold] wrote: Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward[/p][/quote]Young women, provided they are law abiding citizens going about their lawful business should be able to walk the streets at any time as should all other law abiding citizens regardless of gender. It is the lawbreaking scum who should be wary of treading OUR streets! Prevention in this instance is caving in to might over right. mimseycal

6:01pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Dave At Home says...

I am trying to find the sense and any common ground between two incidents - the first one is this alleged rape that happened some 4 months ago when the girl seems to have suffered some horrific intrusions on a late night stroll home. Surely if it was reported to the public sooner there would be some chance of catching the culprit(s) and I am sure the police have been on the case without much success it seems, and then we have an accident on New Church Road a few days ago that involved a police car, the road was awash with police and police cars and the land and air ambulances called in for what was just another motoring accident, which is happening every couple of hours on our roads.

Alright, one incident is an actual while the other is a few hours old but I think priorities are not in the right proportion. Was the Kings Road closed off and the same amount of police attend that incident as they did on New Church Road?
I am trying to find the sense and any common ground between two incidents - the first one is this alleged rape that happened some 4 months ago when the girl seems to have suffered some horrific intrusions on a late night stroll home. Surely if it was reported to the public sooner there would be some chance of catching the culprit(s) and I am sure the police have been on the case without much success it seems, and then we have an accident on New Church Road a few days ago that involved a police car, the road was awash with police and police cars and the land and air ambulances called in for what was just another motoring accident, which is happening every couple of hours on our roads. Alright, one incident is an actual while the other is a few hours old but I think priorities are not in the right proportion. Was the Kings Road closed off and the same amount of police attend that incident as they did on New Church Road? Dave At Home

12:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

turquoise says...

*Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward*


Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night?

The only thing that causes rape is rapists.
*Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward* Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night? The only thing that causes rape is rapists. turquoise

12:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.
The facts of life or the facts of taking the easy way out?

The facts of life are that we, as homo sapiens, have the option to control our baser instincts. We exterminate dogs who react in keeping with their basic instincts. Why should we excuse human beings, who have got the option to override those instincts, for succumbing to them?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.[/p][/quote]The facts of life or the facts of taking the easy way out? The facts of life are that we, as homo sapiens, have the option to control our baser instincts. We exterminate dogs who react in keeping with their basic instincts. Why should we excuse human beings, who have got the option to override those instincts, for succumbing to them? mimseycal

3:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

Ashles wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
spa301 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?
In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place.
That's absolute nonsense.

In the US criminals aren't deterred by other people having guns. They shoot them. With their guns.
Have you even heard of Los Angeles?
Have you ever visited the US?
Have you ever seen, I don't know... the news? Ever?

Perhaps you'd like to detail examples of built up US areas where guns can be legally carried that have lower levels of violent crime than the UK? There must be loads according to your claims. America's a big place.
And where is a 'ludicrous' place for strict gun laws in the US that backs up your claim? Somewhere where guns are illegal (you know, like in the UK) and yet has higher than average violent crime?
You seem to be under the impression this is a a court of law, or the Oxford Union, rather than the comments page of the local newspaper. If you want "evidence", you have it at your fingertips. If you are desperate to prove to yourself that I'm wrong (I never am) try using the Internet for something other than watching **** or putting up pics of your dinner on Facebook.
[quote][p][bold]Ashles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spa301[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]You mean, like they have in America where rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking are practically non existent?[/p][/quote]In many large American cities, the gun laws are almost as ludicrous as in the UK, as a result they have high levels of these crimes, as only criminals carry guns. In places where there are laws that allow you to carry a firearm, these crimes are practically unheard of. America's a big place.[/p][/quote]That's absolute nonsense. In the US criminals aren't deterred by other people having guns. They shoot them. With their guns. Have you even heard of Los Angeles? Have you ever visited the US? Have you ever seen, I don't know... the news? Ever? Perhaps you'd like to detail examples of built up US areas where guns can be legally carried that have lower levels of violent crime than the UK? There must be loads according to your claims. America's a big place. And where is a 'ludicrous' place for strict gun laws in the US that backs up your claim? Somewhere where guns are illegal (you know, like in the UK) and yet has higher than average violent crime?[/p][/quote]You seem to be under the impression this is a a court of law, or the Oxford Union, rather than the comments page of the local newspaper. If you want "evidence", you have it at your fingertips. If you are desperate to prove to yourself that I'm wrong (I never am) try using the Internet for something other than watching **** or putting up pics of your dinner on Facebook. PorkBoat

3:15pm Wed 4 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

boo2005 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy!
I'd like to live in a society where you are allowed to use a defensive weapon to protect yourself, without being charged with assault. Preferably a pre-emptive defensive attack, if you think someone is looking at you in a funny way, or is wearing dodgy trousers. OK, so a lot of "innocent" people might get hurt, but rather 100 "innocent" people injured or maimed, than 1 guilty person getting away. It's just common sense.
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy![/p][/quote]I'd like to live in a society where you are allowed to use a defensive weapon to protect yourself, without being charged with assault. Preferably a pre-emptive defensive attack, if you think someone is looking at you in a funny way, or is wearing dodgy trousers. OK, so a lot of "innocent" people might get hurt, but rather 100 "innocent" people injured or maimed, than 1 guilty person getting away. It's just common sense. PorkBoat

5:20pm Wed 4 Dec 13

hoveguyactually says...

turquoise wrote:
*Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward*


Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night?

The only thing that causes rape is rapists.
If you had a daughter, would you be happy to know that she is is out, on her own, drunk, in the early hours of the morning? Of course every woman has the right to go about whenever she chooses, wearing whatever she likes, but surely commons sense should prevail. This is Brighton in the 21st century. There are ghastly people about, particularly at the time of the night in a town that is notorious for crime, while the only witnesses are badly working cameras. Whichever way you look at it, safety comes first. You don't get drunk, putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, if you want to make sure you don't get hurt. That is not excusing the criminal, but why give him the advantage?
[quote][p][bold]turquoise[/bold] wrote: *Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward* Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night? The only thing that causes rape is rapists.[/p][/quote]If you had a daughter, would you be happy to know that she is is out, on her own, drunk, in the early hours of the morning? Of course every woman has the right to go about whenever she chooses, wearing whatever she likes, but surely commons sense should prevail. This is Brighton in the 21st century. There are ghastly people about, particularly at the time of the night in a town that is notorious for crime, while the only witnesses are badly working cameras. Whichever way you look at it, safety comes first. You don't get drunk, putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, if you want to make sure you don't get hurt. That is not excusing the criminal, but why give him the advantage? hoveguyactually

4:26am Thu 5 Dec 13

Kate234 says...

turquoise wrote:
*Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward*


Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night?

The only thing that causes rape is rapists.
I of course wouldn't blame them. It is however common sense that as a woman you don't wander around Brighton drunk and on your own at 2am. You catch a taxi or walk home with friends. If you can't afford money for a taxi you go home earlier (hopefully when you have drunk less) and / or if you haven't got a friend that can walk with you you don't out at 2.30am. Doing anything else is reckless anywhere in the country.

I was told at 14 at a Brighton police talk that there are just aren't rape incidents where two women are attacked if they are in pairs and walk home together after pub closing hours.

This man is disgusting and he should be locked away for a very long time and this woman is no way to blame for his behaviour. However woman should be careful. I also think the police should run a campaign with taxi firms outside clubs to warn people to be sensible.
[quote][p][bold]turquoise[/bold] wrote: *Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward* Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night? The only thing that causes rape is rapists.[/p][/quote]I of course wouldn't blame them. It is however common sense that as a woman you don't wander around Brighton drunk and on your own at 2am. You catch a taxi or walk home with friends. If you can't afford money for a taxi you go home earlier (hopefully when you have drunk less) and / or if you haven't got a friend that can walk with you you don't out at 2.30am. Doing anything else is reckless anywhere in the country. I was told at 14 at a Brighton police talk that there are just aren't rape incidents where two women are attacked if they are in pairs and walk home together after pub closing hours. This man is disgusting and he should be locked away for a very long time and this woman is no way to blame for his behaviour. However woman should be careful. I also think the police should run a campaign with taxi firms outside clubs to warn people to be sensible. Kate234

10:28am Wed 18 Dec 13

turquoise says...

hoveguyactually wrote:
turquoise wrote:
*Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!!
Prevention is the way forward*


Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night?

The only thing that causes rape is rapists.
If you had a daughter, would you be happy to know that she is is out, on her own, drunk, in the early hours of the morning? Of course every woman has the right to go about whenever she chooses, wearing whatever she likes, but surely commons sense should prevail. This is Brighton in the 21st century. There are ghastly people about, particularly at the time of the night in a town that is notorious for crime, while the only witnesses are badly working cameras. Whichever way you look at it, safety comes first. You don't get drunk, putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, if you want to make sure you don't get hurt. That is not excusing the criminal, but why give him the advantage?
If you had a son would you be happy that he was roaming around drunk in the small hours looking for women to rape?
[quote][p][bold]hoveguyactually[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]turquoise[/bold] wrote: *Although what has happened to this lady is disgraceful when will young women finally realise the seriousness of walking home alone late at night/early morning intoxicated!! Prevention is the way forward* Nice bit of victim blaming there. Lets make women responsible for preventing thier own rapes. If you had a daughter would you blame her if she got raped while walking late at night? The only thing that causes rape is rapists.[/p][/quote]If you had a daughter, would you be happy to know that she is is out, on her own, drunk, in the early hours of the morning? Of course every woman has the right to go about whenever she chooses, wearing whatever she likes, but surely commons sense should prevail. This is Brighton in the 21st century. There are ghastly people about, particularly at the time of the night in a town that is notorious for crime, while the only witnesses are badly working cameras. Whichever way you look at it, safety comes first. You don't get drunk, putting yourself in a vulnerable situation, if you want to make sure you don't get hurt. That is not excusing the criminal, but why give him the advantage?[/p][/quote]If you had a son would you be happy that he was roaming around drunk in the small hours looking for women to rape? turquoise

9:05pm Sat 21 Dec 13

annon.person says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.
**** you. The woman in this story was me. I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt with a black coat and trainers. I'm not one of these stupid **** who can't dress properly. 'Facts of life'. Mug.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.[/p][/quote]**** you. The woman in this story was me. I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt with a black coat and trainers. I'm not one of these stupid **** who can't dress properly. 'Facts of life'. Mug. annon.person

10:03pm Sat 21 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

annon.person wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.
**** you. The woman in this story was me. I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt with a black coat and trainers. I'm not one of these stupid **** who can't dress properly. 'Facts of life'. Mug.
I am truly sorry for the ordeal you have gone through. Nothing you have done warrants being raped. But please, do not fall into the same trap that all these apologists for rapists fall in to. Don't tell women and girls what to wear or where and when to go to prevent rape. It is the rapists that should prevent rape and all others should hold rapists to account ... never the victim.
[quote][p][bold]annon.person[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Brighton is a late night, booze, drugs and sleaze, party town. Where you have drunk young women in skimply clothes and marauding men with hormones, you will get sex attacks. It's not right but you can't change the facts of life.[/p][/quote]**** you. The woman in this story was me. I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt with a black coat and trainers. I'm not one of these stupid **** who can't dress properly. 'Facts of life'. Mug.[/p][/quote]I am truly sorry for the ordeal you have gone through. Nothing you have done warrants being raped. But please, do not fall into the same trap that all these apologists for rapists fall in to. Don't tell women and girls what to wear or where and when to go to prevent rape. It is the rapists that should prevent rape and all others should hold rapists to account ... never the victim. mimseycal

12:33pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Levent says...

boo2005 wrote:
PorkBoat wrote:
Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.
don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy!
With your grammar, punctuation and spelling, I think you should sit down and shut up. Unless of course you ENJOY being the village idiot? In which case...continue!!
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: Amazing. Apparently satellites can read the headline of a newspaper from hundreds of miles up in space, but CCTV only ever produces fuzzy images that reveal nothing. Reform the firearms laws, let people carry guns, and offences like rape, burglary, mugging and carjacking will practically cease to exist, along with the perpetrators. You can't even carry a stick without being charged with possessing an "offensive" weapon.[/p][/quote]don't be ridiculous 'Porky'!....you seem intelligent but tpye such 'drivel, do you really want to live in a state resembling American society?.......think boy![/p][/quote]With your grammar, punctuation and spelling, I think you should sit down and shut up. Unless of course you ENJOY being the village idiot? In which case...continue!! Levent

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