Brighton OAP cyclist breaks neck on Lewes Road

The Argus: Bill McQueen Bill McQueen

A 73-year-old cyclist who was travelling along the new Lewes Road cycle lane woke up with a broken neck after coming off his bike.

These pictures show the aftermath of Bill McQueen's crash which took place at about 9.45am on Friday opposite Coombe Road.

The semi-retired University of Brighton lecturer, of Southdown Road, Brighton, was found unconscious by a horrified bus driver who called 999.

Paramedics blocked the scene while Mr McQueen was taken to the Royal Sussex County Hospital in Brighton by ambulance.

Subsequent tests revealed he had fractured the bone connecting his spine and neck. 

His wife, Jillian, 71, said they were eager to find out what happened. She suggested he must have either fell, he was hit and the driver fled or that a driver hit him and did not realise.

Mrs McQueen, also a lecturer at the university, said she felt her husband was “a casualty of the Lewes Road road design” where she said there were points in the road where he had to pass across buses and cars.

Speaking about his injury, she said: “It's so shocking and scary. It is terrible. We would very much like to find out what happened and who was involved.”

A Sussex Police spokeswoman said: “We received a call from the Royal Sussex County Hospital at 10.5am that morning to say that a 73-year old local man had been admitted with a serious neck injury, having fallen from his cycle in Lewes Road, Brighton, near the junction with Coombe Road, a short while previously.

"Police are investigating a report that he had been knocked from his cycle by a car which did not stop.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said they were “very sorry” to hear about the “unfortunate incident” and wished Mr McQueen a speedy recovery.

The spokesman said: “Our understanding from the police is that the incident was caused by a problem with Mr McQueen's chain and that no other vehicles were involved.

“The work we have done to improve safety for all road users on the Lewes Road has been cited as an example of best practice nationally.

“Around 2,300 cyclists use the route on a daily basis. The design of the scheme ensures that cyclists are segregated from general traffic at possible points of conflict such as junctions and bus stops.”

Anyone who saw what happened is asked to contact Sussex Police via 101 or email collision.appeal@sussex.pnn.police.uk quoting serial 0691 of 29/11.”

Comments (23)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

7:15am Wed 4 Dec 13

Eugenius says...

3rd photo above seems to show his bike chain snapped?
3rd photo above seems to show his bike chain snapped? Eugenius

7:20am Wed 4 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

So there we have it. Argus desperate to whip up a bit of Lewes Rd hysteria while buried at the bottom of the article it looks like the incident was caused by a failure of a chain. More award winning journalism.

I hope Mr McQueen makes a speedy recovery and is back on his bike soon. Not much you can do about a broken chain, pot luck if you stay on the bike.
So there we have it. Argus desperate to whip up a bit of Lewes Rd hysteria while buried at the bottom of the article it looks like the incident was caused by a failure of a chain. More award winning journalism. I hope Mr McQueen makes a speedy recovery and is back on his bike soon. Not much you can do about a broken chain, pot luck if you stay on the bike. HJarrs

7:58am Wed 4 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm
Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger.
I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.
HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger. I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over. Maxwell's Ghost

8:33am Wed 4 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm
Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger.
I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.
It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger. I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.[/p][/quote]It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported. HJarrs

8:38am Wed 4 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I've had many bike chains snap, never has it lead to me coming off my bike. The chain usually gets damaged in an accident when the bike goes over and the cranks hit the ground. I once ended up in hospital with part of my bike embedded in my ankle after I slid off on a slippery cycle lane. It was my fault as I cycled across the section which had been painted shiny red to encourage cyclists to dismount to give way for pedestrians but as it was pitch black and 9pm on a winters night I doubted that pedestrians would be walking across it from the derelict ice cream hut. The bike just came out from under me and I ended up with part of the mudguard spoke sticking out of my ankle.
In this case my money is on the bike sliding under him on diesel. The location of his accident is where there are vast numbers of diesel vehicles travelling adjacent to the lane.
Sadly almost all serious cycling accidents or fatalities in the town have not involved vehicles, they have either been cyclists coming off or pedestrians walking off pavements.
Always wear gloves, always wear a hat and never have bare skin showing unless you want a scrubbing brush over your skin trying to remove grit and road filth from your body.
I've had many bike chains snap, never has it lead to me coming off my bike. The chain usually gets damaged in an accident when the bike goes over and the cranks hit the ground. I once ended up in hospital with part of my bike embedded in my ankle after I slid off on a slippery cycle lane. It was my fault as I cycled across the section which had been painted shiny red to encourage cyclists to dismount to give way for pedestrians but as it was pitch black and 9pm on a winters night I doubted that pedestrians would be walking across it from the derelict ice cream hut. The bike just came out from under me and I ended up with part of the mudguard spoke sticking out of my ankle. In this case my money is on the bike sliding under him on diesel. The location of his accident is where there are vast numbers of diesel vehicles travelling adjacent to the lane. Sadly almost all serious cycling accidents or fatalities in the town have not involved vehicles, they have either been cyclists coming off or pedestrians walking off pavements. Always wear gloves, always wear a hat and never have bare skin showing unless you want a scrubbing brush over your skin trying to remove grit and road filth from your body. Maxwell's Ghost

10:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm
Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger.
I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.
It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.
@HJarrs - so you are admitting that cyclists can be injured WITHOUT it being blamed on motorists.

Even his wife was quick to look to a third party being the cause.

And wouldn't YOU normally be the one immediately apportioning blame on motorists without any proof and demanding more bus and cycle lanes?

P.S. I also wish Bill a hopefully full and speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger. I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.[/p][/quote]It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - so you are admitting that cyclists can be injured WITHOUT it being blamed on motorists. Even his wife was quick to look to a third party being the cause. And wouldn't YOU normally be the one immediately apportioning blame on motorists without any proof and demanding more bus and cycle lanes? P.S. I also wish Bill a hopefully full and speedy recovery. pachallis

10:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm
Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger.
I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.
It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.
@HJarrs - so you are admitting that cyclists can be injured WITHOUT it being blamed on motorists.

Even his wife was quick to look to a third party being the cause.

And wouldn't YOU normally be the one immediately apportioning blame on motorists without any proof and demanding more bus and cycle lanes?

P.S. I also wish Bill a hopefully full and speedy recovery.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger. I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.[/p][/quote]It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - so you are admitting that cyclists can be injured WITHOUT it being blamed on motorists. Even his wife was quick to look to a third party being the cause. And wouldn't YOU normally be the one immediately apportioning blame on motorists without any proof and demanding more bus and cycle lanes? P.S. I also wish Bill a hopefully full and speedy recovery. pachallis

1:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Skidrow says...

Does HJarrs actually own and or use a cycle?
Does HJarrs actually own and or use a cycle? Skidrow

3:55pm Wed 4 Dec 13

her professional says...

Looking at the photos, the road surface looks dry and no sign of diesel.

Hope the guy gets better soon and that the fall hasn't shaken his confidence too much, but I can't really see a "Lewes Road" story here.
Looking at the photos, the road surface looks dry and no sign of diesel. Hope the guy gets better soon and that the fall hasn't shaken his confidence too much, but I can't really see a "Lewes Road" story here. her professional

4:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

NickBtn says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm
Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger.
I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.
It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.
Yes it is being reported more as millions have been spent on making the Lewes Road better for cyclists and this should work....

Pollution and congestion has been increased because of the poor decision for a dedicated bus lane.

It is important to look at what is working and not as more schemes are planned. Also to improve the design where necessary.

Hope that Mr McQueen recovers quickly
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: HJarrs the cyclist has told the paper he believes there is a problem with the route. The newspaper has reported that because that's what it does. I'm Surprised you have not stamped all over this poor gentleman and called him a liar as you are so obsessed with controlling the message. Stop trying to be so controlling and listen to the man and stop blaming the messenger. I have cycled along this route for more than a decade, the likelihood is that the surface has become slippery with diesel, particularly now all the buses are in one lane with rain washing mess into the cycle lane which is on a camber. I have a road bike with slick tyres and an off road bike and the road bike suffers in the winter due to poor surfaces and diesel. Sometimes yiu sint even feel the bike sliding from under you until its too late. The chain probably got damaged when the bike went over.[/p][/quote]It was the unfortunate man's wife that made the comment about the Lewes Rd. Had this incident happened anywhere else in the city it would barely be reported.[/p][/quote]Yes it is being reported more as millions have been spent on making the Lewes Road better for cyclists and this should work.... Pollution and congestion has been increased because of the poor decision for a dedicated bus lane. It is important to look at what is working and not as more schemes are planned. Also to improve the design where necessary. Hope that Mr McQueen recovers quickly NickBtn

5:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

fredflintstone1 says...

Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route?

Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway.
Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route? Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway. fredflintstone1

8:14pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum.
When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed.
I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum. When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed. Maxwell's Ghost

9:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum.
When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed.
What a load of rubbish. When I took a bus down the Lewes Rd yesterday (no jams, sailed along quite nicely) there were more than 10 in each direction north of the Giratory in the middle of the (cold) day and that was a journey of 10 mins tops, probably less. I am also now counting a consistent rate of 75-120 cyclists an hour heading past the Level and down the Lewes Rd between 5:30-6:30pm.

The old cycle lane was grim and clearly didn't encourage cycling (I recall Maxwell saying twenty people a day cycled along the Lewes Rd, Council around 750!). If 2300 people really are cycling along parts of the Lewes Rd (where are the figures?) then it is already way more more successful than I thought it would be at this early stage, particularly as the giratory has not been addressed yet (I thought it might hit the 1000+ mark and build steadily).

As far as I can see, there are more people cycling in the city and I am sure Maxwell will agree with me it is good thing.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum. When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. When I took a bus down the Lewes Rd yesterday (no jams, sailed along quite nicely) there were more than 10 in each direction north of the Giratory in the middle of the (cold) day and that was a journey of 10 mins tops, probably less. I am also now counting a consistent rate of 75-120 cyclists an hour heading past the Level and down the Lewes Rd between 5:30-6:30pm. The old cycle lane was grim and clearly didn't encourage cycling (I recall Maxwell saying twenty people a day cycled along the Lewes Rd, Council around 750!). If 2300 people really are cycling along parts of the Lewes Rd (where are the figures?) then it is already way more more successful than I thought it would be at this early stage, particularly as the giratory has not been addressed yet (I thought it might hit the 1000+ mark and build steadily). As far as I can see, there are more people cycling in the city and I am sure Maxwell will agree with me it is good thing. HJarrs

10:00pm Wed 4 Dec 13

fredflintstone1 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum.
When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed.
What a load of rubbish. When I took a bus down the Lewes Rd yesterday (no jams, sailed along quite nicely) there were more than 10 in each direction north of the Giratory in the middle of the (cold) day and that was a journey of 10 mins tops, probably less. I am also now counting a consistent rate of 75-120 cyclists an hour heading past the Level and down the Lewes Rd between 5:30-6:30pm.

The old cycle lane was grim and clearly didn't encourage cycling (I recall Maxwell saying twenty people a day cycled along the Lewes Rd, Council around 750!). If 2300 people really are cycling along parts of the Lewes Rd (where are the figures?) then it is already way more more successful than I thought it would be at this early stage, particularly as the giratory has not been addressed yet (I thought it might hit the 1000+ mark and build steadily).

As far as I can see, there are more people cycling in the city and I am sure Maxwell will agree with me it is good thing.
Exactly - who knows where the figures come from or if they're even accurate? That was the point I was making, but you surely don't doubt the Green council spokesman's figures, do you??!! Are you counting on behalf of the Council, taking the 5.30-6.30pm shift?

(BTW, just to put you in touch with your local community a bit more, it's the Gyratory - not the Giratory. How long have you been in Brighton?)

Thanks, Maxwell - I think I'd rather rely on your observations as a regular user of the road, rather than those of Council. It accords with what I've seen.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: I reckon it's 150 a day in the week less at weekends, maximum. When the uni is closed during holidays it's probably 10. A good time to give you accurate figures are 8.30am and 5pm. Stand at Coombe Road and watch. Usage is pretty sparse. For me it's the same old faces I see every morning and have done for a decade. There were a few more with shiny new kit and bikes in September when we had good weather and the new intake started at uni but they soon disappeared with the dark winter weather as always happens, particularly when a north easterly whips up along this route. It can be a real plod. Students also realise they only have an average of four contact hours a week and don't need to travel to the uni most days so treating themselves to a student bus ticket is a more comfortable way to travel than along the bleak and windy Lewes Road. The key thing to remember is that the lane has existed for years and nothing has changed really so why suddenly thousands more people would suddenly want to use it is was always baffling. Also remember that reaching this cycle lane means using the surrounding hilly and congested roads, it's not as if the town has magically changed.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish. When I took a bus down the Lewes Rd yesterday (no jams, sailed along quite nicely) there were more than 10 in each direction north of the Giratory in the middle of the (cold) day and that was a journey of 10 mins tops, probably less. I am also now counting a consistent rate of 75-120 cyclists an hour heading past the Level and down the Lewes Rd between 5:30-6:30pm. The old cycle lane was grim and clearly didn't encourage cycling (I recall Maxwell saying twenty people a day cycled along the Lewes Rd, Council around 750!). If 2300 people really are cycling along parts of the Lewes Rd (where are the figures?) then it is already way more more successful than I thought it would be at this early stage, particularly as the giratory has not been addressed yet (I thought it might hit the 1000+ mark and build steadily). As far as I can see, there are more people cycling in the city and I am sure Maxwell will agree with me it is good thing.[/p][/quote]Exactly - who knows where the figures come from or if they're even accurate? That was the point I was making, but you surely don't doubt the Green council spokesman's figures, do you??!! Are you counting on behalf of the Council, taking the 5.30-6.30pm shift? (BTW, just to put you in touch with your local community a bit more, it's the Gyratory - not the Giratory. How long have you been in Brighton?) Thanks, Maxwell - I think I'd rather rely on your observations as a regular user of the road, rather than those of Council. It accords with what I've seen. fredflintstone1

12:29am Thu 5 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The Lewes Road cycle lane is hardly any different to a year ago and the main section which has been renewed isn't grim and never was. As HJarrs is well aware there was one section of cycle lane which was dangerous and this was a pavement section near the university, not the main Lewes Road section. Tragically, a young lady fell off the cycle pavement near the uni into the path of a van travelling along the adjoining road. Sadly she died and it was quite right that this dangerous section was amended. It was too narrow for two cycle lanes.
however, the main road route was never grim and is hardly any different now. Small bits now go behind bus stops. However, HJarrs do you really think that thousands of cyclists suddenly think that two metres of new road will encourage people to take to two wheels? That improvement has really been for buses - cyclists didn't give a toss that buses had to wait to pull out or in.
The fact is HJarrs, the grim parts of the lane are still bloody grim. There are still vehicles parked in the Lewes Road cycle lane outside the trades and social club near Elm Grove forcing riders into the path of irritated motorists and buses. We still have to cycle into the valley of death better known as the Gyratory with bendy buses sweeping across our path. The feel of the slipstream on your cheek as they thunder by isn't for the nervous.
Then on the way home, the section between KwikFit Fit and Elm Grove is like an arcade game. The lights go green at Bear Road and off you go getting up speed and then bang straight into a series of red lights as pedestrians continually press the buttons. As you attempt to get up momentum again, out step pedestrians ignoring the crossing lights shouting obscenities at you as they text while meandering across the road. Then you are forced out of the cycle lane as motorists nudge across the lane attempting to turn right. Your mud guards and lights clatter as your bike hits the appalling road surface shaking you like a bag of old spanners as you mutter FFS under your breath.
That's the real picture HJarrs. You can try and paint a picture of a pretty tow-path type cycle in the countryside, but the reality is the journey feels no different to a year ago. It's still windy, it's still bleak in winter, it's still like a bloody arcade game where you have to be as sharp as a razor to prevent coming off. One dozy morning and you are over the handlebars just because someone wearing headphones walks off the pavement. Or you find yourself somewhere in the bleak Falmer area at 8pm on a December night trying to change a bloody inner tube with a head torch in below freezing conditions wondering who else is lurking in the dark.
Lovely flat windless Netherlands we ain't.
The Lewes Road cycle lane is hardly any different to a year ago and the main section which has been renewed isn't grim and never was. As HJarrs is well aware there was one section of cycle lane which was dangerous and this was a pavement section near the university, not the main Lewes Road section. Tragically, a young lady fell off the cycle pavement near the uni into the path of a van travelling along the adjoining road. Sadly she died and it was quite right that this dangerous section was amended. It was too narrow for two cycle lanes. however, the main road route was never grim and is hardly any different now. Small bits now go behind bus stops. However, HJarrs do you really think that thousands of cyclists suddenly think that two metres of new road will encourage people to take to two wheels? That improvement has really been for buses - cyclists didn't give a toss that buses had to wait to pull out or in. The fact is HJarrs, the grim parts of the lane are still bloody grim. There are still vehicles parked in the Lewes Road cycle lane outside the trades and social club near Elm Grove forcing riders into the path of irritated motorists and buses. We still have to cycle into the valley of death better known as the Gyratory with bendy buses sweeping across our path. The feel of the slipstream on your cheek as they thunder by isn't for the nervous. Then on the way home, the section between KwikFit Fit and Elm Grove is like an arcade game. The lights go green at Bear Road and off you go getting up speed and then bang straight into a series of red lights as pedestrians continually press the buttons. As you attempt to get up momentum again, out step pedestrians ignoring the crossing lights shouting obscenities at you as they text while meandering across the road. Then you are forced out of the cycle lane as motorists nudge across the lane attempting to turn right. Your mud guards and lights clatter as your bike hits the appalling road surface shaking you like a bag of old spanners as you mutter FFS under your breath. That's the real picture HJarrs. You can try and paint a picture of a pretty tow-path type cycle in the countryside, but the reality is the journey feels no different to a year ago. It's still windy, it's still bleak in winter, it's still like a bloody arcade game where you have to be as sharp as a razor to prevent coming off. One dozy morning and you are over the handlebars just because someone wearing headphones walks off the pavement. Or you find yourself somewhere in the bleak Falmer area at 8pm on a December night trying to change a bloody inner tube with a head torch in below freezing conditions wondering who else is lurking in the dark. Lovely flat windless Netherlands we ain't. Maxwell's Ghost

8:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Hold the front page! I have a correction to publish.

Very embarrassingly, I got my math wrong and must retract the figures for people cycling past the Level and onto Lewes Rd. The correct figure for my daily 5 min count is 150-240 cyclists per hour, so perhaps the figure of 2300 per day quoted above is correct. That would be a trebling of cyclists on Lewes Rd and the cycle path was only opened in September!
Hold the front page! I have a correction to publish. Very embarrassingly, I got my math wrong and must retract the figures for people cycling past the Level and onto Lewes Rd. The correct figure for my daily 5 min count is 150-240 cyclists per hour, so perhaps the figure of 2300 per day quoted above is correct. That would be a trebling of cyclists on Lewes Rd and the cycle path was only opened in September! HJarrs

10:07am Thu 5 Dec 13

s_james says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route?

Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway.
I travel to and from work along Lewes Road by bus every day and I see not reason to doubt the Council’s figures. In fact, I’m surprised its not higher as the cycle lanes always seem pretty busy. I guess numbers drop off slightly in the middle of the day.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route? Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway.[/p][/quote]I travel to and from work along Lewes Road by bus every day and I see not reason to doubt the Council’s figures. In fact, I’m surprised its not higher as the cycle lanes always seem pretty busy. I guess numbers drop off slightly in the middle of the day. s_james

10:51am Thu 5 Dec 13

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Hold the front page! I have a correction to publish.

Very embarrassingly, I got my math wrong and must retract the figures for people cycling past the Level and onto Lewes Rd. The correct figure for my daily 5 min count is 150-240 cyclists per hour, so perhaps the figure of 2300 per day quoted above is correct. That would be a trebling of cyclists on Lewes Rd and the cycle path was only opened in September!
@HJarrs - yet another unverified statistic from the sycophantic green party spin doctor.

Sorry HJarrs, you are so derided now that (IMHO) no one seems to believe anything you say, or trust any statistics you produce. It's always fun to see how many negative votes you can get for your postings.

Have you thought of going back to your proper day job instead? This might actually help any case the greens had.

BTW - what are you plans for after May 2015?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Hold the front page! I have a correction to publish. Very embarrassingly, I got my math wrong and must retract the figures for people cycling past the Level and onto Lewes Rd. The correct figure for my daily 5 min count is 150-240 cyclists per hour, so perhaps the figure of 2300 per day quoted above is correct. That would be a trebling of cyclists on Lewes Rd and the cycle path was only opened in September![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - yet another unverified statistic from the sycophantic green party spin doctor. Sorry HJarrs, you are so derided now that (IMHO) no one seems to believe anything you say, or trust any statistics you produce. It's always fun to see how many negative votes you can get for your postings. Have you thought of going back to your proper day job instead? This might actually help any case the greens had. BTW - what are you plans for after May 2015? pachallis

11:00am Thu 5 Dec 13

spa301 says...

H.Jarrs - the secret weapon for all those opposed to the Greens.
Congratulations once again.
H.Jarrs - the secret weapon for all those opposed to the Greens. Congratulations once again. spa301

11:05am Thu 5 Dec 13

AmboGuy says...

HJarrs wrote:
So there we have it. Argus desperate to whip up a bit of Lewes Rd hysteria while buried at the bottom of the article it looks like the incident was caused by a failure of a chain. More award winning journalism.

I hope Mr McQueen makes a speedy recovery and is back on his bike soon. Not much you can do about a broken chain, pot luck if you stay on the bike.
Oh for god's sake. A man has broken his neck and you're banging on about your beloved Greens......again.

Learn to show some respect once in a while and grow up.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: So there we have it. Argus desperate to whip up a bit of Lewes Rd hysteria while buried at the bottom of the article it looks like the incident was caused by a failure of a chain. More award winning journalism. I hope Mr McQueen makes a speedy recovery and is back on his bike soon. Not much you can do about a broken chain, pot luck if you stay on the bike.[/p][/quote]Oh for god's sake. A man has broken his neck and you're banging on about your beloved Greens......again. Learn to show some respect once in a while and grow up. AmboGuy

1:28pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

I doubt very much that 2300 cyclists use the route but as the expensive cycle counter broke, we can't really prove that now. Certainly there is nowhere near that figure cycling this route in the winter.

H Jarrs, it's funny how you are always visiting Lewes Road these days and it is all so fabulous whenever you come. Perhaps you could move here and the magic you bring will get the traffic moving again.

I do hope Bill recovers quickly and can find out what happened to cause him to fall off his bike. Get well soon, Mr McQueen.
I doubt very much that 2300 cyclists use the route but as the expensive cycle counter broke, we can't really prove that now. Certainly there is nowhere near that figure cycling this route in the winter. H Jarrs, it's funny how you are always visiting Lewes Road these days and it is all so fabulous whenever you come. Perhaps you could move here and the magic you bring will get the traffic moving again. I do hope Bill recovers quickly and can find out what happened to cause him to fall off his bike. Get well soon, Mr McQueen. thevoiceoftruth

2:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

fredflintstone1 wrote:
Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route?

Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway.
They probably plucked the figures out of the same orifice as the visitor and job creation figures for the i-360.
[quote][p][bold]fredflintstone1[/bold] wrote: Just spotted the Council believe that 2300 cyclists use the route daily. That's roughly 100 an hour, 24-7. Really? Who has been counting? What say you, Maxwell's Ghost, as a regular user of the route? Can't say that I've noticed such a constant stream of people pedalling along .... surely if so, one of them would have spotted Bill on the ground, rather than a bus driver at 9.45 in the morning? Here's hoping he makes a rapid recovery anyway.[/p][/quote]They probably plucked the figures out of the same orifice as the visitor and job creation figures for the i-360. PorkBoat

5:47pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

@HJarrs: I'm quite sure a cyclist suffering a broken neck would get reported locally regardless of where it happened,and rightly so.
@HJarrs: I'm quite sure a cyclist suffering a broken neck would get reported locally regardless of where it happened,and rightly so. Herbert Perkins

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree