Our heroes on the streets - veterans among rising homeless in Brighton and Hove

The Argus: John Goodwin John Goodwin

New figures suggest the number of rough sleepers on the streets of Brighton and Hove has risen again.

Brighton and Hove City Council's annual rough sleeper count, which took place on Thursday night, revealed the number of homeless people in the city had increased by 16% since 2012.

This year's count found 50 people - seven women and 43 men - braving cold temperatures on the city's streets, doorways, benches and parks. Last year there were 43 in total.

The hike has come of no surprise to homeless charities, volunteers and rough sleepers themselves - as one charity boss described Brighton and Hove as a “homeless hotspot”.

Experts blame the increase on financial difficulties fuelled by the struggling economy, while last month one councillor revealed private sector rents in Brighton and Hove had soared by 27% in the last year alone.

Tub Collins, manager of The Clock Tower Sanctuary - a homeless charity for youngsters aged 16 to 25, said there was a “cultural perception” Brighton and Hove was “somewhere people can runaway to”.

He said: “The rise was expected because we have seen a substantial increase in the number of homeless people we help.

“Why is it going up year on year? That's the 64 million dollar question. It's a combination of economic recession and a housing crisis for starters.

“From our own experience here at The Clock Tower Sanctuary, we are helping twice as many people today as we were in 2010.

“It's difficult to manage as we're run entirely by around 40 volunteers and we're looking to recruit more people to help with the demand.

“Brighton is a hotspot for homelessness. If you look back at the figures over the last ten years, Brighton is always the second highest per capita outside London.

“It's a cultural perception that Brighton and Hove is somewhere people can run away to.”

Earlier this year council chiefs rejected claims from Tracey Allum, director at homeless-aid website eatnow.co.uk, that Brighton and Hove was a “soft touch” for rough sleepers.

She said the city's reputation for being “diverse and intelligent with a kind-hearted, bohemian attitude” meant being homeless was “more accepted” in Brighton and Hove.

The council responded by revealing it dealt with more than 3,500 cases of people with housing difficulties last year, managing to prevent homelessness in 1,000 of those cases and accepted a duty to house in 507.

But with an abundance of homeless charities and organisations already established in Brighton and Hove, including the likes of First Base, Anti-Freeze, CRI, The Clock Tower Sanctuary and Emmaus, does the “soft touch” label have substance?

Tony Waring, 47, has been a rough sleeper for six years. Originally from Hastings, the former RAF chef said the death of his brother and a failed marriage caused him to turn to drink.

He said: “Now here I am in a doorway. It's known that being homeless here in Brighton is better than anywhere else.

“We have a night church in Hastings but they kick you out at three in the morning.

“Here there are about 15 churches which have just started letting you in from the evening until the morning. There are the soup kitchens too.

“It's far better here. People can be very generous and caring. It's harder to get accommodation because I haven't got a local connection but there's help everywhere.”

Mr Waring revealed he had “always worked and led a normal life” during his time in the RAF and later in the building trade.

However a failed relationship and ill health proved a catalyst for his decline to the streets - evidence how quickly the tables of life can turn.

Critics of the homeless cite a need for improved self-responsibility, discarding the tough circumstances of rough sleepers as self-inflicted.

But what external factors seem to be fuelling the homeless fire?

Speaking at a housing committee meeting on November 14, Councillor Bill Randall described private rent prices in Brighton and Hove as “going up at an astonishing rate”.

The statement rings true for 54-year-old Linda Blackman, who has been homeless since being evicted from her Portslade flat in September.

Having lived in her Trafalgar Road flat for five years - during of which she claims she never missed a month's rent - the former care and supermarket worker now sleeps in a wet and cold garage lock-up while she waits for housing.

She said: “The landlord wanted me out as they wanted more rent. I was turned out onto the streets and can't find another place because I have no references, they all want financial guarantors and they don't want people on benefits.”

Ms Blackman said she's visited Bartholomew House - Brighton and Hove City Council's housing arm - seven times without success of finding a home.

She was however offered accommodation in Brighton Marina - but claims she was told to “dump her belongings in a skip” before getting there as she had no way of transporting them.

She added: “I didn't know where the place was. I'm from Portslade. Because of that they eventually said I wasn't interested and are now punishing me for it.”

Greg Headley, from homeless charity CRI, said the part of the waiting-process in getting people re-homed was because “hardly any” of the city's landlords accepted tenants on benefits.

He said: “It's not impossible but it often feels like it.

“It's a great challenge finding landlords who want to accept people with benefits.

“In Linda's case she was offered accommodation but was deemed to not want it.

“But we are working to find a resolution for her.”

Brighton and Hove City Council said: “We are determined to help rough sleepers where possible and work hard with our city partners and national bodies to deliver highly effective services to both help rough sleepers and also prevent people from becoming homeless in the first place.

"This work includes the No Second Night Out drive to divert first time rough sleepers to services quickly, help specifically to help street drinkers and specialist assessment centres that, together with our health partners, assess rough sleepers’ health needs.

“Over the past six months our own team working with city partners has helped 1,700 people avoid homelessness, for instance by working with families where there is a danger someone might leave, and our target for the whole year is 2,200 so we are ahead of target.  A lot of what we do is about prevention."

From frontline fighter to homeless and hapless

John Goodwin, 37, served in the British Army for eight years. After tours of Northern Ireland and Afghanistan, the man from Kent is now sleeping rough in Brighton and Hove.

He said: “Life was good in the army. I was proud. I served Queen and country. But there wasn't any help with adjusting to normal life when I came out. 

“I feel let down by society and I hate the Government. I now choose to be out here on the streets. I'm used to it.

“I've now been on the streets for two years. It can be challenging. My girlfriend Faye was recently found dead in public toilets and my other friend died of an overdose Saturday just gone. 

"Lea Williams was also my friend. He was murdered.

“Drinking is the only thing you can do on the streets as it numbs the pain.

“But I like being out here now. I don't want to be in a square box. If the council offered me accommodation now I'd say no.

“I've stayed in this doorway, the seafront and I was under the pier when it snowed for six days.

“Someone tried stealing my shoe last night. You always have to be alert, meaning sleep isn't great. I'm always on guard.

”Mr Goodwin added: “There are a lot of new people coming to the city to sleep rough.

“I keep an eye on them and try and help them.“In the last two weeks there has been eight new people on the streets. I tell them where to get shelter, where to get warmth.

“Money doesn't tend to be a problem. We eat better than most people think. This is my life.”

Results and observations of Brighton and Hove City Council's rough sleeper count.

The count team found 50 individuals sleeping rough - seven females, three of which were accommodated, and 43 males, eight of which were accommodated.

One was in private accommodation but refused to return.

One was accommodated outside the city but came to Brighton and Hove to beg.

Five were in Band 2 Hostels, where they stayed out to be with a partner overnight as visitors weren't allowed.

Three were in Band 2 Hostels and they stayed out for “various reasons”.

One was in temporary accomodation, where they refused to stay due to threats from other residents.

Twenty seven had no local connection to Brighton and Hove, but six of those had a connection to Sussex.

Nineteen had a local connection.

Homeless charity CRI, which attended the count, said: “Whilst the number of 50 is high it's important to consider that of that 11 are accommodated and 6 are from Sussex.

“This leaves a real Brighton and Hove rough sleeper count of 35, which is an 18% decrease to last year's count “Q2 saw a 57% increase in new referrals to the team compared to Q2 last year so this highlights that CAIERS and EAC is showing a reduction in the numbers rough sleeping.

“The count clearly highlights issues with Band 2 providers that need to be explored further to see what can be done to prevent those that are accommodated from sleeping out.

“This will be taken forward through the Band 2 managers meeting in December.

“The count also highlighted the need for improved handover of rough sleepers from Brighton and Hove to other Sussex Local Authorities as per the Reconnection Policy.”

Where to get help for homelessness in Brighton and Hove

The Clock Tower Sanctuary - Support centre to around 70 homeless and insecurely housed young people between the ages of 16 and 25 each month.
www.theclocktowersanctuary.org.uk - 01273 722 353

Off The Fence - Offers food, warm drink, emergency clothing and sleeping bags to the homeless and rough sleepers in Brighton and Hove.
www.offthefence.org.uk - 01273 733566

New Steine Mews Hostel - Helps people to prepare for independence by offering accommodation, training and a safe space for those who want to address their substance use.
www.nsmhostel.org.uk - 01273 698024

First Base Day Centre - Offers a range of services to support people who are sleeping rough or insecurely housed in the city to get off the streets.
www.bht.org.uk/services/first-base-day-centre - 01273 326844

CRI - A social care and health charity working with individuals, families and communities across England and Wales that are affected by drugs, alcohol, crime, homelessness, domestic abuse and antisocial behaviour.
www.cri.org.uk - 01273 677 019

Hove Peace Statue Soup Run - Provides food to the homeless and poor of Brighton and Hove. Funded by St Mary Magdalen's Catholic Church, Brighton, with the large majority of volunteers who make soup, coffee and sandwiches for those in need are parishioners of St Mary Magdalen Church.
brighton-soup-run.blogspot.co.uk - 01273 734560

Brighton and Hove Night Shelter Project - A joint venture between the churches of Brighton and Hove, offering overnight accommodation for up to 15 guests each night who would otherwise have been sleeping rough throughout the winter months. The Night Shelter runs until March 28 2014.
www.brightonchurchesnightshelter.co.uk - 01273 698182

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7:47am Wed 4 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

One can expect higher rental prices when the unis bring another 5,000 students into the city. That's an average if 1,600 homes in te town converted into student lets, none paying council tax.
Mr Randall as anoter poster suggested on this site last week, the unis should sacrifice their car parks to build accommodation, preventing more car use and preventing more homes being lost to the transient population with the challenges this causes.
One can expect higher rental prices when the unis bring another 5,000 students into the city. That's an average if 1,600 homes in te town converted into student lets, none paying council tax. Mr Randall as anoter poster suggested on this site last week, the unis should sacrifice their car parks to build accommodation, preventing more car use and preventing more homes being lost to the transient population with the challenges this causes. Maxwell's Ghost

8:34am Wed 4 Dec 13

Juleyanne says...

It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament.
It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament. Juleyanne

11:05am Wed 4 Dec 13

wippasnapper says...

Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of. wippasnapper

11:06am Wed 4 Dec 13

FC says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell. FC

11:06am Wed 4 Dec 13

s&k says...

Our society must be the most unequal now that it's been in decades under a government whose sole intention is to preserve the wealth and power of the ruling elite, and destroy public services by opening them up to the free market. Remember all those SciFi films you saw in the 70s where the select band of rich, beautiful people live in fortresses surrounded by poverty, mayhem and crime? Welcome to Britain 2013.
Our society must be the most unequal now that it's been in decades under a government whose sole intention is to preserve the wealth and power of the ruling elite, and destroy public services by opening them up to the free market. Remember all those SciFi films you saw in the 70s where the select band of rich, beautiful people live in fortresses surrounded by poverty, mayhem and crime? Welcome to Britain 2013. s&k

11:07am Wed 4 Dec 13

FC says...

The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now.
The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now. FC

11:10am Wed 4 Dec 13

city-boy says...

private sector rents in Brighton and Hove had soared by 27% in the last year alone


The maths are longer working out......


Brace yourself charities, cause that the number of homeless is going to increase year on year.

Greedy landlords and an over priced property market. Crazy.15 years, Brighton will be in meltdown in demands for property, schools and other services.
private sector rents in Brighton and Hove had soared by 27% in the last year alone The maths are longer working out...... Brace yourself charities, cause that the number of homeless is going to increase year on year. Greedy landlords and an over priced property market. Crazy.15 years, Brighton will be in meltdown in demands for property, schools and other services. city-boy

11:46am Wed 4 Dec 13

graham_Seagull says...

Its noticeable that the homeless on the streets of Brighton now appear quite different to the homeless we used to have; they often don't appear to be hard core drinkers, moreso those folk who have been unfortunate to lose a job with little in the way of savings to fall back on (not unusual with the low pay on offer for jobs).
I've also noticed how shocked they appear to be, how ill prepared they can be for life on the streets, particularly when compared to those gnarled individuals who drink on street corners and seem to be long lost to the streets.
Its noticeable that the homeless on the streets of Brighton now appear quite different to the homeless we used to have; they often don't appear to be hard core drinkers, moreso those folk who have been unfortunate to lose a job with little in the way of savings to fall back on (not unusual with the low pay on offer for jobs). I've also noticed how shocked they appear to be, how ill prepared they can be for life on the streets, particularly when compared to those gnarled individuals who drink on street corners and seem to be long lost to the streets. graham_Seagull

11:54am Wed 4 Dec 13

getThisCoalitionOut says...

The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty.

Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope.
The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty. Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope. getThisCoalitionOut

12:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

s&k says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty. Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope.
Sink or swim in the Great Society. Don't believe the lies that "poverty is your own fault". Imagine if we have a freak winter with seriously low temperatures we could see hundreds if not thousands of people dying of cold. This could be the trigger we need to overthrow this lot.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty. Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope.[/p][/quote]Sink or swim in the Great Society. Don't believe the lies that "poverty is your own fault". Imagine if we have a freak winter with seriously low temperatures we could see hundreds if not thousands of people dying of cold. This could be the trigger we need to overthrow this lot. s&k

12:36pm Wed 4 Dec 13

alandfay says...

I think you're sick Mr Goodwin, stating that your girlfriend Faye who was actually Fay Isaac was found dead in public toilets! Encouraging alcohol and drugs down vulnerable women is not helping them, and if she was your so called girlfriend why was she alone with the 51yr old that has been arrested for her manslaughter? Fay Isaac was my sweetheart of 8yrs and will be missed and remembered forever. Rip my babes x
I think you're sick Mr Goodwin, stating that your girlfriend Faye who was actually Fay Isaac was found dead in public toilets! Encouraging alcohol and drugs down vulnerable women is not helping them, and if she was your so called girlfriend why was she alone with the 51yr old that has been arrested for her manslaughter? Fay Isaac was my sweetheart of 8yrs and will be missed and remembered forever. Rip my babes x alandfay

1:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Fight_Back says...

50 homeless people in the city ? Where on earth do the council get their figures ? There are far more than that. If it were only 50 then I'd hope as a society we could offer them all a roof over their head.
50 homeless people in the city ? Where on earth do the council get their figures ? There are far more than that. If it were only 50 then I'd hope as a society we could offer them all a roof over their head. Fight_Back

1:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

What about:

"This leaves a real Brighton and Hove rough sleeper count of 35, which is an 18% decrease to last year's count“...

And...

"...with an abundance of homeless charities and organisations already established in Brighton and Hove, including the likes of First Base, Anti-Freeze, CRI, The Clock Tower Sanctuary and Emmaus, does the “soft touch” label have substance?

And...

"Here there are about 15 churches which have just started letting you in from the evening until the morning. There are the soup kitchens too....It's far better here."

What about all the people who are offered hostel accommodation, but refuse it (as the article says), because of curfews, rules, no drugs, no alcohol, no couples sharing? How much of this homelessness is down to people just refusing the help on offer?

There is a lot written here that is intended (and has succeeded) to get readers all "up in arms" about the increasing homelessness problem and its causes... Yeah it sucks to be homeless, no doubt about it. But the facts are not quite as emotive as you would think.

Get real. It's awful that anyone has to be homeless, or poor, or uneducated, or addicted to drugs, or whatever you care to name. Not EVERYONE is a victim. Not everyone. I have a friend with two (MASSIVE) dogs who has just lost his private tenancy and he's coming to kip here until he can find somewhere. It's hard with dogs. He's not working either. But this has happened to him through no fault of his own - perhaps not excellent financial planning when he was working and making loads of money - but aside from that, he has and is doing everything to improve his life and move on. That's all anyone can do, and the help IS out there, but you have to WANT to do something yourself. If you give up on yourself, then most people will to.
What about: "This leaves a real Brighton and Hove rough sleeper count of 35, which is an 18% decrease to last year's count“... And... "...with an abundance of homeless charities and organisations already established in Brighton and Hove, including the likes of First Base, Anti-Freeze, CRI, The Clock Tower Sanctuary and Emmaus, does the “soft touch” label have substance? And... "Here there are about 15 churches which have just started letting you in from the evening until the morning. There are the soup kitchens too....It's far better here." What about all the people who are offered hostel accommodation, but refuse it (as the article says), because of curfews, rules, no drugs, no alcohol, no couples sharing? How much of this homelessness is down to people just refusing the help on offer? There is a lot written here that is intended (and has succeeded) to get readers all "up in arms" about the increasing homelessness problem and its causes... Yeah it sucks to be homeless, no doubt about it. But the facts are not quite as emotive as you would think. Get real. It's awful that anyone has to be homeless, or poor, or uneducated, or addicted to drugs, or whatever you care to name. Not EVERYONE is a victim. Not everyone. I have a friend with two (MASSIVE) dogs who has just lost his private tenancy and he's coming to kip here until he can find somewhere. It's hard with dogs. He's not working either. But this has happened to him through no fault of his own - perhaps not excellent financial planning when he was working and making loads of money - but aside from that, he has and is doing everything to improve his life and move on. That's all anyone can do, and the help IS out there, but you have to WANT to do something yourself. If you give up on yourself, then most people will to. KarenT

2:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Those temporary storage container homes are for homeless people, NOT council tax payers!!! And students get the "luxury apartments"?! I have yet to see a student living in luxury - they are living in shared houses with other students that are generally pretty rubbish and smelly and awful. Why? Cuz Buy-To-Let landlords can get away with it. I'm not championing students here - having them as neighbours CAN be a pain in the arse and some student-lets are like 24-hour party houses. But some are not - they are quiet and get on with their studies. You just don't hear about those cuz it's not really newsworthy is it?
[quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Those temporary storage container homes are for homeless people, NOT council tax payers!!! And students get the "luxury apartments"?! I have yet to see a student living in luxury - they are living in shared houses with other students that are generally pretty rubbish and smelly and awful. Why? Cuz Buy-To-Let landlords can get away with it. I'm not championing students here - having them as neighbours CAN be a pain in the arse and some student-lets are like 24-hour party houses. But some are not - they are quiet and get on with their studies. You just don't hear about those cuz it's not really newsworthy is it? KarenT

2:08pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house?
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house? KarenT

2:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Goldenwight says...

Am I the only person who is going to comment on that ridiculous headline? There have ALWAYS been former military personnel on the streets, this is nothing new.

Brighton & Hove is a regional magnet for rough sleepers. This has little to do with the services provided- the services are provided IN RESPONSE to the issue, not causing it.

And let us remember that 'homeless' and 'rough sleeper' are not the same thing at all.

I particularly like the 'seasonally adjusted' figure of 35 rough sleepers, and an 18% decrease though. 'Seasonally adjusted' in this instance meaning 'should be taken with a pinch of salt.'
Am I the only person who is going to comment on that ridiculous headline? There have ALWAYS been former military personnel on the streets, this is nothing new. Brighton & Hove is a regional magnet for rough sleepers. This has little to do with the services provided- the services are provided IN RESPONSE to the issue, not causing it. And let us remember that 'homeless' and 'rough sleeper' are not the same thing at all. I particularly like the 'seasonally adjusted' figure of 35 rough sleepers, and an 18% decrease though. 'Seasonally adjusted' in this instance meaning 'should be taken with a pinch of salt.' Goldenwight

2:17pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

KarenT wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house?
Oh and please don't mention the Mortar Witch!!! FFS! She's bad-****!

Sorry, couldn't resist, I'm off....
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house?[/p][/quote]Oh and please don't mention the Mortar Witch!!! FFS! She's bad-****! Sorry, couldn't resist, I'm off.... KarenT

2:18pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

"bad-arse" that was meant to be....
"bad-arse" that was meant to be.... KarenT

2:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

FC wrote:
The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now.
Yeah, gotta say that word is way too over-used. Not EVERYONE who joins the military is a bleedin' hero. Some just do it cuz they can't think of what else to do. Some join but never even get close to combat - i.e. chef, admin, etc... And some get close to combat but just get off on it, the danger, the excitement. And some do it out of a sense of duty, for sure! Puleeze! Even the bomb-sniffer dogs aren't "hero's" - they are trained to do it and love the game they get after they've found an explosive. As lovely as they are, they are NOT hero's. Perspective please!!!!
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now.[/p][/quote]Yeah, gotta say that word is way too over-used. Not EVERYONE who joins the military is a bleedin' hero. Some just do it cuz they can't think of what else to do. Some join but never even get close to combat - i.e. chef, admin, etc... And some get close to combat but just get off on it, the danger, the excitement. And some do it out of a sense of duty, for sure! Puleeze! Even the bomb-sniffer dogs aren't "hero's" - they are trained to do it and love the game they get after they've found an explosive. As lovely as they are, they are NOT hero's. Perspective please!!!! KarenT

2:28pm Wed 4 Dec 13

KarenT says...

KarenT wrote:
FC wrote:
The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now.
Yeah, gotta say that word is way too over-used. Not EVERYONE who joins the military is a bleedin' hero. Some just do it cuz they can't think of what else to do. Some join but never even get close to combat - i.e. chef, admin, etc... And some get close to combat but just get off on it, the danger, the excitement. And some do it out of a sense of duty, for sure! Puleeze! Even the bomb-sniffer dogs aren't "hero's" - they are trained to do it and love the game they get after they've found an explosive. As lovely as they are, they are NOT hero's. Perspective please!!!!
In fact, if those sniffer dogs KNEW that they might get blown to bits when they're out there sniffing for bombs and mines, they'd be like, "You gotta be kidding me! I'll tell you what you can do with that tennis ball!" :D

OK I'm really off now...
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: The word "heroes" is used too much to create an emotive response. Sadly, everyone is a "hero" now.[/p][/quote]Yeah, gotta say that word is way too over-used. Not EVERYONE who joins the military is a bleedin' hero. Some just do it cuz they can't think of what else to do. Some join but never even get close to combat - i.e. chef, admin, etc... And some get close to combat but just get off on it, the danger, the excitement. And some do it out of a sense of duty, for sure! Puleeze! Even the bomb-sniffer dogs aren't "hero's" - they are trained to do it and love the game they get after they've found an explosive. As lovely as they are, they are NOT hero's. Perspective please!!!![/p][/quote]In fact, if those sniffer dogs KNEW that they might get blown to bits when they're out there sniffing for bombs and mines, they'd be like, "You gotta be kidding me! I'll tell you what you can do with that tennis ball!" :D OK I'm really off now... KarenT

2:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Cave Johnson says...

A hero is someone who does something heroic. It doesn't apply to just anyone who was in the army.
A hero is someone who does something heroic. It doesn't apply to just anyone who was in the army. Cave Johnson

2:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

Please sign this petition calling for a debate in Parliament about the rise in the use of food banks in the UK. Many thousands of people do not have enough to eat,it really is that simple.The RED CROSS are now involved please understand in Camerons Britain today this is real this is happening. Backed by, Trussell Trust, and Unite, the petition went live today, and in the first 24 hours, over 65,000 people have signed it.

http://www.change.or
g/petitions/parliame
nt-debate-uk-hunger-
and-rise-in-foodbank
-use-jackspetition
Please sign this petition calling for a debate in Parliament about the rise in the use of food banks in the UK. Many thousands of people do not have enough to eat,it really is that simple.The RED CROSS are now involved please understand in Camerons Britain today this is real this is happening. Backed by, Trussell Trust, and Unite, the petition went live today, and in the first 24 hours, over 65,000 people have signed it. http://www.change.or g/petitions/parliame nt-debate-uk-hunger- and-rise-in-foodbank -use-jackspetition Mrs Newcastle

4:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

outreach.brighton says...

A good report although somewhat inacurate in both figures of rough sleepers along with places to get help/food/shelter etc. Organizations such as St Anne's Day Centre in Brighton never get mentioned in any report or even taken into account . After all they've only been feeding the homeless every day for the last 30 years so what would be the point of including their views of the real reality of the street community life.
A good report although somewhat inacurate in both figures of rough sleepers along with places to get help/food/shelter etc. Organizations such as St Anne's Day Centre in Brighton never get mentioned in any report or even taken into account . After all they've only been feeding the homeless every day for the last 30 years so what would be the point of including their views of the real reality of the street community life. outreach.brighton

5:35pm Wed 4 Dec 13

hammerfan says...

In fairness ex-servicemen are very vulnerable. They have spent most of their adult life being told what to do . When they return to civvy street they have great difficulty adjusting and often drift into crime or homelessness.
The point has been made that generous as the people of the city are this will act as a magnet from other areas. This is a national problem!
In fairness ex-servicemen are very vulnerable. They have spent most of their adult life being told what to do . When they return to civvy street they have great difficulty adjusting and often drift into crime or homelessness. The point has been made that generous as the people of the city are this will act as a magnet from other areas. This is a national problem! hammerfan

5:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty.

Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope.
Absolutely laughable. Stop sniffing whatever it is that makes you think along these lines and go out and get a job in the real world where pay matches your contribution and opportunity exists.
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: The time for a revolution is now. Stop those who were educated in public schools, like Eton, from putting so many in utter poverty. Look at Cameron's latest lies over reducing energy bills by such a small amount that it'll make no difference at all. So many elderly are dying in the cold and this figure will explode this year due to so many more poverty stricken pensioners who cannot cope.[/p][/quote]Absolutely laughable. Stop sniffing whatever it is that makes you think along these lines and go out and get a job in the real world where pay matches your contribution and opportunity exists. Somethingsarejustwrong

5:48pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

KarenT wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house?
Lol
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]What's a "privet home" by the way? Is that when someone kips down in the bushes outside your house?[/p][/quote]Lol Somethingsarejustwrong

6:10pm Wed 4 Dec 13

LeonBIank666 says...

I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness.

Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order)

I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink.

Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here!

Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder?

Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot!

If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice.

There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards.
I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness. Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order) I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink. Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here! Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder? Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot! If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice. There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards. LeonBIank666

6:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Fight_Back says...

LeonBIank666 wrote:
I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness.

Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order)

I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink.

Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here!

Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder?

Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot!

If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice.

There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards.
Clearly not someone that's been that close to the edge !
[quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness. Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order) I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink. Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here! Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder? Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot! If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice. There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards.[/p][/quote]Clearly not someone that's been that close to the edge ! Fight_Back

7:07pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Angryoldman says...

And David Camoron wants to stop all dole and housing benefits to anyone under 25.
God help us if this load of millionaire snooty toffs get in again.
And David Camoron wants to stop all dole and housing benefits to anyone under 25. God help us if this load of millionaire snooty toffs get in again. Angryoldman

7:10pm Wed 4 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
LeonBIank666 wrote:
I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness.

Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order)

I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink.

Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here!

Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder?

Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot!

If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice.

There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards.
Clearly not someone that's been that close to the edge !
From our London properties we are watching and laughing at you morons. You morons that defend the indefensible, who can't spot the obvious when it smacks you in the face and how we are enjoying it.

In essence you have fallen for our trap and now we have you we will keep turning the screws.

Cycle paths anyone, bus lanes?

We are the greens
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeonBIank666[/bold] wrote: I have read the report and will maintain my hard right of centre viewpoint with regards to homelessness. Looking at the above a few points from the facts I have read with in (but in no order) I have been redundant. I have lost close family members, I have had failed relationships yet I wasn't made homeless nor turn to drink. Someone chooses to be homeless above - I could rest my case here! Somebody who has worked in supermarkets etc now homeless - Are you telling me there is NO shop work at all in B&H to get you back on the ladder? Somebody hates the government - well stop bleeding the system dry then. You hate them but accept all the benefits they provide - idiot! If I have missed any pertinent story above, I am sorry. But all this article has done to me is totally reinforce the fact that I do not own homeless people anything at all, and they are solely there from choice. External factors - yes- have had a significance, but ultimately they are there from poor judgment and choice. There are jobs out there, trust me. You just have to take a grip on reality, smarten up and stop thinking the world owes you a living. Life is hard, but you have to contribute to society to reap its rewards.[/p][/quote]Clearly not someone that's been that close to the edge ![/p][/quote]From our London properties we are watching and laughing at you morons. You morons that defend the indefensible, who can't spot the obvious when it smacks you in the face and how we are enjoying it. In essence you have fallen for our trap and now we have you we will keep turning the screws. Cycle paths anyone, bus lanes? We are the greens I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

7:15pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Angryoldman wrote:
And David Camoron wants to stop all dole and housing benefits to anyone under 25.
God help us if this load of millionaire snooty toffs get in again.
They are already in the seat in Brighton if you hadn't noticed


Wasters
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: And David Camoron wants to stop all dole and housing benefits to anyone under 25. God help us if this load of millionaire snooty toffs get in again.[/p][/quote]They are already in the seat in Brighton if you hadn't noticed Wasters Somethingsarejustwrong

7:39pm Wed 4 Dec 13

nocando says...

Had this subject before on here. Did a couple of stints making my own outdoor comfort when I left the army and kept myself properly hidden while I was at it. Believe you me the ex military types don't fancy being kicked about in their sleeping bags by drunks are out of sight. The chances of them being spotted, counted and assessed by various surveyors with clipboards and a well meant interest in the subject are zero. You won't find them on benches or in doorways.
Had this subject before on here. Did a couple of stints making my own outdoor comfort when I left the army and kept myself properly hidden while I was at it. Believe you me the ex military types don't fancy being kicked about in their sleeping bags by drunks are out of sight. The chances of them being spotted, counted and assessed by various surveyors with clipboards and a well meant interest in the subject are zero. You won't find them on benches or in doorways. nocando

8:41pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bill in Hanover says...

I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.
I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure. Bill in Hanover

9:11pm Wed 4 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.
We can't have a ghetto without street drinking squatting, homeless types.

Given the time of year, lets all be a little more considerate please.

If you can spare a can of special brew then please do.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.[/p][/quote]We can't have a ghetto without street drinking squatting, homeless types. Given the time of year, lets all be a little more considerate please. If you can spare a can of special brew then please do. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

10:09pm Wed 4 Dec 13

whoee! says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Bill in Hanover wrote:
I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.
We can't have a ghetto without street drinking squatting, homeless types.

Given the time of year, lets all be a little more considerate please.

If you can spare a can of special brew then please do.
LOL they love a drop of that
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.[/p][/quote]We can't have a ghetto without street drinking squatting, homeless types. Given the time of year, lets all be a little more considerate please. If you can spare a can of special brew then please do.[/p][/quote]LOL they love a drop of that whoee!

10:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Morpheus says...

There isn't a single mention of support from families and friends in this report. This is the problem. There is a complete breakdown of all the support networks that used to exist.
There isn't a single mention of support from families and friends in this report. This is the problem. There is a complete breakdown of all the support networks that used to exist. Morpheus

7:03am Thu 5 Dec 13

boo2005 says...

FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
[quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar! boo2005

9:23am Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
[quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact... KarenT

9:58am Thu 5 Dec 13

Mrs Newcastle says...

KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
I thinnk yoou arre a bullly with a self esteem problems every time you put another person down it that giving your ego a boost. I hope your learn to accept that some homless people just didn't want your help and as such you just have to deal with those uncortable feeling .and maybe your perpective witl grow it that enough attention for you????
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]I thinnk yoou arre a bullly with a self esteem problems every time you put another person down it that giving your ego a boost. I hope your learn to accept that some homless people just didn't want your help and as such you just have to deal with those uncortable feeling .and maybe your perpective witl grow it that enough attention for you???? Mrs Newcastle

10:01am Thu 5 Dec 13

alandfay says...

I feel sorry for true homeless ppl and not the idiot John pictured and quoted in this article. He is an alcoholic and heroin addict from his own choosing, Fay and myself met him several times over the years and saw why he was on the streets, a fantasist who lives in his own messed up world and if this paper checked with the military they would see he has not served. The closest thing to Arny service was receiving a sleeping bag from the salvation army!!! Never use my dead Fay Isaac's name in vain! Rip Fay hun.
I feel sorry for true homeless ppl and not the idiot John pictured and quoted in this article. He is an alcoholic and heroin addict from his own choosing, Fay and myself met him several times over the years and saw why he was on the streets, a fantasist who lives in his own messed up world and if this paper checked with the military they would see he has not served. The closest thing to Arny service was receiving a sleeping bag from the salvation army!!! Never use my dead Fay Isaac's name in vain! Rip Fay hun. alandfay

10:04am Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Mrs Newcastle wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
I thinnk yoou arre a bullly with a self esteem problems every time you put another person down it that giving your ego a boost. I hope your learn to accept that some homless people just didn't want your help and as such you just have to deal with those uncortable feeling .and maybe your perpective witl grow it that enough attention for you????
Translation please?
[quote][p][bold]Mrs Newcastle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]I thinnk yoou arre a bullly with a self esteem problems every time you put another person down it that giving your ego a boost. I hope your learn to accept that some homless people just didn't want your help and as such you just have to deal with those uncortable feeling .and maybe your perpective witl grow it that enough attention for you????[/p][/quote]Translation please? KarenT

11:23am Thu 5 Dec 13

Beethoven says...

A rise in the number of the homeless is to be deplored, but why should being ex-army make any difference to our feelings toward them?

A cheap headline with the overworked word "heroes".. Perhaps the real heroes are the volunteers who reach to them with offers of assistance that all too often are not taken up....
A rise in the number of the homeless is to be deplored, but why should being ex-army make any difference to our feelings toward them? A cheap headline with the overworked word "heroes".. Perhaps the real heroes are the volunteers who reach to them with offers of assistance that all too often are not taken up.... Beethoven

1:13pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T! thevoiceoftruth

1:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

graham_Seagull says...

Bill in Hanover wrote:
I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.
hmmm. lets arrest them, give them a criminal record then watch as they never get jobs so never have a hope of getting themselves on a better path.

Bill, you and Boris would seem to be made for each other.
[quote][p][bold]Bill in Hanover[/bold] wrote: I walked along Western Road the other night and saw a group of 'homeless' setting up their beds in the shop doorways, every one of them appeared to have been drinking. If the police did their job of arresting drunks rather than let them set up home on the streets we'd soon lower the homeless figure.[/p][/quote]hmmm. lets arrest them, give them a criminal record then watch as they never get jobs so never have a hope of getting themselves on a better path. Bill, you and Boris would seem to be made for each other. graham_Seagull

1:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T![/p][/quote]Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself.... KarenT

2:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....
People in glass houses...
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T![/p][/quote]Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....[/p][/quote]People in glass houses... thevoiceoftruth

2:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....
People in glass houses...
A bird in the hand...
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T![/p][/quote]Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....[/p][/quote]People in glass houses...[/p][/quote]A bird in the hand... KarenT

2:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

thevoiceoftruth says...

KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....
People in glass houses...
A bird in the hand...
Is there a point to your rambling? 12 posts or more on this thread, all from Karen Tedious. However, you have proved your point that bad grammar and dumb comments go hand in hand. Well done!
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T![/p][/quote]Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....[/p][/quote]People in glass houses...[/p][/quote]A bird in the hand...[/p][/quote]Is there a point to your rambling? 12 posts or more on this thread, all from Karen Tedious. However, you have proved your point that bad grammar and dumb comments go hand in hand. Well done! thevoiceoftruth

3:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
thevoiceoftruth wrote:
KarenT wrote:
boo2005 wrote:
FC wrote:
wippasnapper wrote:
Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.
Come back when you can spell.
ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar!
Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...
Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's'

Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T!
Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....
People in glass houses...
A bird in the hand...
Is there a point to your rambling? 12 posts or more on this thread, all from Karen Tedious. However, you have proved your point that bad grammar and dumb comments go hand in hand. Well done!
A drowning man will clutch at a straw...
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceoftruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boo2005[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wippasnapper[/bold] wrote: Sins the greens have been in power we’ve read in the Argus of the many approved building for student accommodation across the city wile many students rent ever more privet homes across the city preventing ordinary hard working council tax payers from obtaining somewhere to live & only one of the proposed affordable homes to be built i.e. storage containers for the council tax payers i.e. the students get the luxury apartments wile the ordinary hard working council tax payer gets shanty town storage container to live in… this may well suit the ex green traveler but ordinary hard working council tax payers prefer brick & mortar witch there is a lack of.[/p][/quote]Come back when you can spell.[/p][/quote]ooh, harsh comment 'Morpheus', unless a contributor is being nasty, judge their statement and not their grammar![/p][/quote]Yeah but the comment is pretty dumb too. Bad grammar/spelling and dumb comments usually go hand in hand I find. Oh dear, I must be a "snob" to have voiced that fact...[/p][/quote]Funny how a grammar snob can have such poor understanding of the English language. I notice in your post you refer to 'hero's' Did you know that making something plural does not involve the use of an apostrophe? Back to school, Karen T![/p][/quote]Crikey is that the BEST you could really do? I don't think I'd have bothered myself....[/p][/quote]People in glass houses...[/p][/quote]A bird in the hand...[/p][/quote]Is there a point to your rambling? 12 posts or more on this thread, all from Karen Tedious. However, you have proved your point that bad grammar and dumb comments go hand in hand. Well done![/p][/quote]A drowning man will clutch at a straw... KarenT

6:38pm Fri 6 Dec 13

whereisthe...? says...

serve all you tory scum right! you bleat on about how great our soldiers are, regardless of whether they are being forced to fight for matters of genuine concern, whine on about anyone who talks of racism in the armed forces, yet your own policies result in these brave people being stuck on the streets!! then what do you do? NOTHING. typical right-wingers.
serve all you tory scum right! you bleat on about how great our soldiers are, regardless of whether they are being forced to fight for matters of genuine concern, whine on about anyone who talks of racism in the armed forces, yet your own policies result in these brave people being stuck on the streets!! then what do you do? NOTHING. typical right-wingers. whereisthe...?

11:20pm Fri 6 Dec 13

hubby says...

Juleyanne wrote:
It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament.
While the Cocaine snorting Champagne quaffing rich just keep looking down on those in need.
Brighton is disgusting!
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament.[/p][/quote]While the Cocaine snorting Champagne quaffing rich just keep looking down on those in need. Brighton is disgusting! hubby

7:57am Sat 7 Dec 13

Boloney-marshal says...

One can only feel for the homeless, whoever they are.
When the larger of the retail outlets made there Christmas television adverts this year they shamelessly use soldiers and soldiers families within these epics to sell their products. The vile practice of stimulating the countries obsession with soldier worship to sell their goods should be repaid to servicemen in some way from their profit.
One can only feel for the homeless, whoever they are. When the larger of the retail outlets made there Christmas television adverts this year they shamelessly use soldiers and soldiers families within these epics to sell their products. The vile practice of stimulating the countries obsession with soldier worship to sell their goods should be repaid to servicemen in some way from their profit. Boloney-marshal

3:24pm Sat 7 Dec 13

KarenT says...

hubby wrote:
Juleyanne wrote:
It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament.
While the Cocaine snorting Champagne quaffing rich just keep looking down on those in need.
Brighton is disgusting!
Oh what an emotive picture you paint! Sounds like something from Dickens' "A Christmas Carol"... All the champagne quaffing, coke snorting rich inside their warm homes with the poor folks gazing from the snowy outside through the windows, disabled Tiny Tim on Bob Cratchett's shoulders...

The truth is the divide between rich and poor has narrowed beyond all recognition from Victorian times to now. So easy for people to forget about how awful things were at one point, compared to how they are now. And if coke wasn't so **** expensive the poor would be doing it as well, probably more so than "the rich"... In fact that's another thing of the past... one doesn't need to be "rich" to buy coke anymore, maybe for a very short while in the 80's. But then it became affordable and that's when you started to have a huge international problem with crack addiction. The world would probably be a better place had it STAYED as expensive as it was.
[quote][p][bold]hubby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: It is all too easy to judge those who find themselves in meltdown. The frightening reality is many of us could be one or two unexpected life events away from this terrifying predicament.[/p][/quote]While the Cocaine snorting Champagne quaffing rich just keep looking down on those in need. Brighton is disgusting![/p][/quote]Oh what an emotive picture you paint! Sounds like something from Dickens' "A Christmas Carol"... All the champagne quaffing, coke snorting rich inside their warm homes with the poor folks gazing from the snowy outside through the windows, disabled Tiny Tim on Bob Cratchett's shoulders... The truth is the divide between rich and poor has narrowed beyond all recognition from Victorian times to now. So easy for people to forget about how awful things were at one point, compared to how they are now. And if coke wasn't so **** expensive the poor would be doing it as well, probably more so than "the rich"... In fact that's another thing of the past... one doesn't need to be "rich" to buy coke anymore, maybe for a very short while in the 80's. But then it became affordable and that's when you started to have a huge international problem with crack addiction. The world would probably be a better place had it STAYED as expensive as it was. KarenT

3:26pm Sat 7 Dec 13

KarenT says...

(By the way they snorted coke in Dickensian times too, except it wasn't illegal then!)
(By the way they snorted coke in Dickensian times too, except it wasn't illegal then!) KarenT

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