Father and daughter set on by yobs at Churchill Square bus stop

The Argus: Keith Hall's injuries Keith Hall's injuries

A Brighton father and daughter were left bloodied and bruised after a gang of teenagers allegedly launched an unprovoked attack as they waited for the bus in Churchill Square.

The group were described as “circling like sharks” outside the Brighton shopping centre before kicking and punching the pair to the floor.

Mila Brazzi, 21, has told how she was left with chunks of her hair missing along with cuts and bruises while her 54-year-old dad Keith Hall suffered a cracked rib, black eye, cuts to his face and concussion.

Miss Brazzi's boyfriend, Ben Maylin, 25, was also allegedly set upon, also suffering cuts and bruises.

She said: “It was terrifying, I've lived in Brighton all my life and I've always felt safe. It was completely out the blue.

“They were circling us like sharks and being really abusive.”

Mr Brazzi added: “It was relentless. It probably only lasted a couple of minutes but it felt like an eternity.”

The trio had spent the night at a work do at the Prince of Wales Pub in Clarence Square.

They told how they were waiting to catch the bus outside the shopping centre when the 10 to 15 youths approached them.

They called the police who were on the scene in minutes.  spokesman said: “Officers arrested seven people for assault and affray who were questioned and bailed.

“These include two 14-year-old boys, two 15-year-old boys and three 16-year-old boys. They have all been released on bail until January 7.”

Fifty four-year-old Keith Hall, who lives in Shoreham, appears to have come off the worst with not only concussion but also a cracked rib, bloody nose, black eyes, cuts to his face and bruises.

He said: “I still feel awful. I've only just got the movement back in my hand and I couldn't get my words out yesterday. I can tell my brain isn't working normally.”

Miss Brazzi added: “It was completely out of the blue. I try to avoid Brighton on a Friday and Saturday night but still, you don't expect something like this to happen.”

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8:14am Wed 4 Dec 13

John Steed says...

what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening?
what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening? John Steed

9:21am Wed 4 Dec 13

Joshiman says...

Feral scum who need to be taught a serious lesson.Shame on their parents who obviously are clueless about bring up their offspring .These yobs always act tough when in gangs.Enough said.,
Feral scum who need to be taught a serious lesson.Shame on their parents who obviously are clueless about bring up their offspring .These yobs always act tough when in gangs.Enough said., Joshiman

9:51am Wed 4 Dec 13

Tippy Toes says...

When are the authorities going to do something about the problems in Brighton and Hove at night??? This is getting ridicules!
When are the authorities going to do something about the problems in Brighton and Hove at night??? This is getting ridicules! Tippy Toes

10:14am Wed 4 Dec 13

lewes road low life says...

Knowing keith as one of my window cleaning customers, I wish him and his family all the best and a quick recovery, from what must have been a truly terrifying experience.
Knowing keith as one of my window cleaning customers, I wish him and his family all the best and a quick recovery, from what must have been a truly terrifying experience. lewes road low life

10:17am Wed 4 Dec 13

pachallis says...

Unfortunately yet another reason to avoid Brighton. We need much stronger, visible policing in the City and the courts need to come down really hard on this scum.

Why were the offenders just released on bail? Why not call out a magistrate at the time?

And if the offenders are too young to be charged then the irresponsible parents should be charged, fined,or imprisoned instead.
Unfortunately yet another reason to avoid Brighton. We need much stronger, visible policing in the City and the courts need to come down really hard on this scum. Why were the offenders just released on bail? Why not call out a magistrate at the time? And if the offenders are too young to be charged then the irresponsible parents should be charged, fined,or imprisoned instead. pachallis

11:10am Wed 4 Dec 13

Therapist says...

I'd have hold of the largest one's windpipe before he could blink. If the 'hardest' one is having a near death experience, I've found the others thereafter tend to be less confident.
I'd have hold of the largest one's windpipe before he could blink. If the 'hardest' one is having a near death experience, I've found the others thereafter tend to be less confident. Therapist

11:29am Wed 4 Dec 13

lewes road low life says...

I bet anything the main ring leaders of this gang were already known to the police , chances are they had already caused havoc through town or on the top deck of a 49, whats the point of a heavy cctv presence in churchill square and the center of town if a group of 10 -15 teenage thugs intent on insighting trouble cannot be monitored or nipped in the bud before committing a crime such as this ?

Its a very different story if you happen to drive in a bus lane or park to load on western road outside of the allowed hours. The cameras are extremely efficient then and very swift at delivering justice by ways of a fine through the post. Priorities ?
I bet anything the main ring leaders of this gang were already known to the police , chances are they had already caused havoc through town or on the top deck of a 49, whats the point of a heavy cctv presence in churchill square and the center of town if a group of 10 -15 teenage thugs intent on insighting trouble cannot be monitored or nipped in the bud before committing a crime such as this ? Its a very different story if you happen to drive in a bus lane or park to load on western road outside of the allowed hours. The cameras are extremely efficient then and very swift at delivering justice by ways of a fine through the post. Priorities ? lewes road low life

12:24pm Wed 4 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Were these three and the feral gang the only beings present around that bus stop at that time?

I wish the trio a speedy recovery and regret the fact that they were left to face this mob on their own. We must reclaim our streets!
Were these three and the feral gang the only beings present around that bus stop at that time? I wish the trio a speedy recovery and regret the fact that they were left to face this mob on their own. We must reclaim our streets! mimseycal

2:57pm Wed 4 Dec 13

manwithaflan says...

If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old?

They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power.....

Disgusting
If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old? They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power..... Disgusting manwithaflan

2:57pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Athena says...

The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary.
The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary. Athena

3:41pm Wed 4 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

manwithaflan wrote:
If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old?

They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power.....

Disgusting
This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971.

The CPS guidance states that

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

and:

Reasonable Force
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of:
self-defence; or
defence of another; or
defence of property; or
prevention of crime; or
lawful arrest.

In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions:
was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and
was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?"

I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.
[quote][p][bold]manwithaflan[/bold] wrote: If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old? They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power..... Disgusting[/p][/quote]This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971. The CPS guidance states that "It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary." and: Reasonable Force A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of: self-defence; or defence of another; or defence of property; or prevention of crime; or lawful arrest. In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions: was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?" I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence. mimseycal

3:52pm Wed 4 Dec 13

manwithaflan says...

Well that clears that up, thanks.
Well that clears that up, thanks. manwithaflan

4:24pm Wed 4 Dec 13

somerandombloke says...

I don't care how old they were, if i was getting attacked i would wade in. I found in my younger fighting days that after a couple had gone down, others would back off.
I don't care how old they were, if i was getting attacked i would wade in. I found in my younger fighting days that after a couple had gone down, others would back off. somerandombloke

4:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

angrymonkey says...

more low life scum on brighton streets a few more years be jobless wanting a free home breading more scum payed for by hard working people like there familys.
more low life scum on brighton streets a few more years be jobless wanting a free home breading more scum payed for by hard working people like there familys. angrymonkey

5:21pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

mimseycal wrote:
manwithaflan wrote:
If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old?

They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power.....

Disgusting
This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971.

The CPS guidance states that

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

and:

Reasonable Force
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of:
self-defence; or
defence of another; or
defence of property; or
prevention of crime; or
lawful arrest.

In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions:
was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and
was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?"

I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.
My problem with the 'reasonable' qualification as seen some time later in a Court room, is that it appears to amount to sufficient response to contain any agression. It seems to miss the natural indignation, the anger, the quite reasonable desire to seek redress for the unprovoked assault, So if you end up battering the assailaint well beyond 'containment', that in my book would be perfectly reasonable, after all, it's what adrenalin is designed to do !
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manwithaflan[/bold] wrote: If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old? They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power..... Disgusting[/p][/quote]This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971. The CPS guidance states that "It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary." and: Reasonable Force A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of: self-defence; or defence of another; or defence of property; or prevention of crime; or lawful arrest. In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions: was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?" I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.[/p][/quote]My problem with the 'reasonable' qualification as seen some time later in a Court room, is that it appears to amount to sufficient response to contain any agression. It seems to miss the natural indignation, the anger, the quite reasonable desire to seek redress for the unprovoked assault, So if you end up battering the assailaint well beyond 'containment', that in my book would be perfectly reasonable, after all, it's what adrenalin is designed to do ! Sir Prised

5:34pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Brighton Living says...

Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!! Brighton Living

5:40pm Wed 4 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
What are we all doing to ensure that we can walk freely. Peoples' freedom is their own responsibility and not just the responsibility of the police.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]What are we all doing to ensure that we can walk freely. Peoples' freedom is their own responsibility and not just the responsibility of the police. mimseycal

5:59pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

Hardly surprising in a city lacking leadership and with a council seemingly encouraging all things wrong. How I wish me and a couple of my edgy mates had been there when I suspect the outcome would have been very different

I do hope the victims recover fully and quickly and that CCTV has captured all the little no marks
Hardly surprising in a city lacking leadership and with a council seemingly encouraging all things wrong. How I wish me and a couple of my edgy mates had been there when I suspect the outcome would have been very different I do hope the victims recover fully and quickly and that CCTV has captured all the little no marks Somethingsarejustwrong

6:12pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

mimseycal wrote:
Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
What are we all doing to ensure that we can walk freely. Peoples' freedom is their own responsibility and not just the responsibility of the police.
Sorry but what are we meant to do about a group of teenage lads beating up a family waiting at a bus-stop? The problem is a lack of discipline in their lives and a teaching of respect for others. That's the responsibility of their parents and it's they who should be in the dock and having to explain why their kids are acting like wiild animals. There's no accountability these days, that's the problem.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]What are we all doing to ensure that we can walk freely. Peoples' freedom is their own responsibility and not just the responsibility of the police.[/p][/quote]Sorry but what are we meant to do about a group of teenage lads beating up a family waiting at a bus-stop? The problem is a lack of discipline in their lives and a teaching of respect for others. That's the responsibility of their parents and it's they who should be in the dock and having to explain why their kids are acting like wiild animals. There's no accountability these days, that's the problem. Sir Prised

6:22pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Athena says...

Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Don't blame the police. Their hands are tied as it is, from filling in forms, even if they sneeze, to being short-staffed while their bosses increase in number, Pc Plod has a hard enough time of it. Blame the parents, if they have any. Blame society. This is what comes of allowing children to "express themselves". They can express themselves when they are mature. The social experiment of withholding punishment has not worked, and now we have two generations (teenagers and parents) who are out of control. The next generation will be even worse.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Don't blame the police. Their hands are tied as it is, from filling in forms, even if they sneeze, to being short-staffed while their bosses increase in number, Pc Plod has a hard enough time of it. Blame the parents, if they have any. Blame society. This is what comes of allowing children to "express themselves". They can express themselves when they are mature. The social experiment of withholding punishment has not worked, and now we have two generations (teenagers and parents) who are out of control. The next generation will be even worse. Athena

6:25pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Valerie Paynter says...

Children to be proud of having dragged up and failed.....not. Time to start jailing the parents who allow kids this young to hang about late at night in gangs. Kids that young should be a home by 9pm. That is normal and these days it no longer looks normal.
Children to be proud of having dragged up and failed.....not. Time to start jailing the parents who allow kids this young to hang about late at night in gangs. Kids that young should be a home by 9pm. That is normal and these days it no longer looks normal. Valerie Paynter

6:27pm Wed 4 Dec 13

LeonBIank666 says...

I am sure the victims are reading this so all I will say to cheer MIla up is she is very attractive, And at 21 years old, with your looks life will be good for many years to come!

Also, hope the police catch the scum.
I am sure the victims are reading this so all I will say to cheer MIla up is she is very attractive, And at 21 years old, with your looks life will be good for many years to come! Also, hope the police catch the scum. LeonBIank666

7:45pm Wed 4 Dec 13

xlaughingx says...

I often wait for a bus in the late evening for a bus at Churchill square and it is obvious that it is need of a visible police presence after 10pm- this would be reassuring (as well as the cctv coverage). I would like to think that any other witnesses would try to stop any idiots like this but there is a chance that the ferral group will just start on them too .If caught ..and criminal records gained they'll likely be jobless & we will end up paying for their keep - can't we just send them to an emptying EU country to live?
I often wait for a bus in the late evening for a bus at Churchill square and it is obvious that it is need of a visible police presence after 10pm- this would be reassuring (as well as the cctv coverage). I would like to think that any other witnesses would try to stop any idiots like this but there is a chance that the ferral group will just start on them too .If caught ..and criminal records gained they'll likely be jobless & we will end up paying for their keep - can't we just send them to an emptying EU country to live? xlaughingx

8:42pm Wed 4 Dec 13

whoee! says...

mimseycal wrote:
manwithaflan wrote:
If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old?

They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power.....

Disgusting
This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971.

The CPS guidance states that

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

and:

Reasonable Force
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of:
self-defence; or
defence of another; or
defence of property; or
prevention of crime; or
lawful arrest.

In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions:
was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and
was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?"

I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.
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[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manwithaflan[/bold] wrote: If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old? They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power..... Disgusting[/p][/quote]This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971. The CPS guidance states that "It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary." and: Reasonable Force A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of: self-defence; or defence of another; or defence of property; or prevention of crime; or lawful arrest. In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions: was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?" I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.[/p][/quote]ahem...excuse me while lose the will to live zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz whoee!

10:23pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Somedude12345 says...

Joshiman wrote:
Feral scum who need to be taught a serious lesson.Shame on their parents who obviously are clueless about bring up their offspring .These yobs always act tough when in gangs.Enough said.,
Chav scum enough said
[quote][p][bold]Joshiman[/bold] wrote: Feral scum who need to be taught a serious lesson.Shame on their parents who obviously are clueless about bring up their offspring .These yobs always act tough when in gangs.Enough said.,[/p][/quote]Chav scum enough said Somedude12345

8:01am Thu 5 Dec 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Have you ever read Brighton Rock?
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Have you ever read Brighton Rock? Old Ladys Gin

8:41am Thu 5 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Have you ever read Brighton Rock?
Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Have you ever read Brighton Rock?[/p][/quote]Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-) mimseycal

9:41am Thu 5 Dec 13

Juleyanne says...

Round the ferals up and put them on an inhabitable island with no way out!
Round the ferals up and put them on an inhabitable island with no way out! Juleyanne

9:45am Thu 5 Dec 13

Juleyanne says...

Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society!
Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society! Juleyanne

10:06am Thu 5 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Except that we won't know who is feral until they turn feral by which time they will have caused some damage.

Make anti-social behaviour a social concern. Refuse to tolerate it on our streets. Sadly, the only ones who can really do that is society at large. All the courts, the police and the various other authorities can do is act after the event. We, the law abiding majority, are the ones who can address it before it gets that far.

The streets are ours! Reclaim them!!
Except that we won't know who is feral until they turn feral by which time they will have caused some damage. Make anti-social behaviour a social concern. Refuse to tolerate it on our streets. Sadly, the only ones who can really do that is society at large. All the courts, the police and the various other authorities can do is act after the event. We, the law abiding majority, are the ones who can address it before it gets that far. The streets are ours! Reclaim them!! mimseycal

11:13am Thu 5 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

Turn the hoses on them!
Turn the hoses on them! PorkBoat

11:57am Thu 5 Dec 13

blacktopsoldier says...

bring back the stocks!
bring back the stocks! blacktopsoldier

11:59am Thu 5 Dec 13

beano mcbean says...

I would like to know if all or most of the thugs went to the same school.
I would like to know if all or most of the thugs went to the same school. beano mcbean

12:08pm Thu 5 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

beano mcbean wrote:
I would like to know if all or most of the thugs went to the same school.
Or bunked off from the same school ;-)
[quote][p][bold]beano mcbean[/bold] wrote: I would like to know if all or most of the thugs went to the same school.[/p][/quote]Or bunked off from the same school ;-) mimseycal

12:34pm Thu 5 Dec 13

medianscore says...

Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
What are the Police doing about it?

They are too busy flying helicopters at 2000 feet taking in those city lights and getting paid for it that's what. God knows what these coppers would do if UKIP win the next GE and order all of them back to the beat; probably resign and try to become politicians so they can sit on their arses and gob off which is what being an MP is really all about.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]What are the Police doing about it? They are too busy flying helicopters at 2000 feet taking in those city lights and getting paid for it that's what. God knows what these coppers would do if UKIP win the next GE and order all of them back to the beat; probably resign and try to become politicians so they can sit on their arses and gob off which is what being an MP is really all about. medianscore

1:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

Juleyanne wrote:
Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society!
Groups of undesirables being rounded up and put into camps?
That's been tried before within living memory ;)
[quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society![/p][/quote]Groups of undesirables being rounded up and put into camps? That's been tried before within living memory ;) Old Ladys Gin

1:51pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

mimseycal wrote:
Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Have you ever read Brighton Rock?
Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-)
Ah yes the good old days; best seen wearing rose tinted specs perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Have you ever read Brighton Rock?[/p][/quote]Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah yes the good old days; best seen wearing rose tinted specs perhaps? Old Ladys Gin

2:17pm Thu 5 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
Have you ever read Brighton Rock?
Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-)
Ah yes the good old days; best seen wearing rose tinted specs perhaps?
Seems to be the norm ... viewing them through rose tinted specs that is.
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]Have you ever read Brighton Rock?[/p][/quote]Graham Greene and good old Pinkie Brown ... The good old days ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah yes the good old days; best seen wearing rose tinted specs perhaps?[/p][/quote]Seems to be the norm ... viewing them through rose tinted specs that is. mimseycal

2:36pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Athena says...

medianscore wrote:
Brighton Living wrote:
Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!!
What are the Police doing about it?

They are too busy flying helicopters at 2000 feet taking in those city lights and getting paid for it that's what. God knows what these coppers would do if UKIP win the next GE and order all of them back to the beat; probably resign and try to become politicians so they can sit on their arses and gob off which is what being an MP is really all about.
My son is a copper and longs to spend all his time on the beat, but is often confined to barracks, frustratingly filling in forms and typing out case notes which a typist could do, for him to sign. Please don't blame the bobby. Blame bureaucracy and our litigious society.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brighton Living[/bold] wrote: Brighton use to be such a lovely area to live and go out and enjoy the Christmas lights at night whilst doing a little shopping, but now you think twice about going out in Brighton when you read articles like this, females being raped, hammer robberies and god knows what else! What are the Police doing to stop all this ????. peoples freedom is being taken away when you cant even go for a walk ......... disgusting!!!![/p][/quote]What are the Police doing about it? They are too busy flying helicopters at 2000 feet taking in those city lights and getting paid for it that's what. God knows what these coppers would do if UKIP win the next GE and order all of them back to the beat; probably resign and try to become politicians so they can sit on their arses and gob off which is what being an MP is really all about.[/p][/quote]My son is a copper and longs to spend all his time on the beat, but is often confined to barracks, frustratingly filling in forms and typing out case notes which a typist could do, for him to sign. Please don't blame the bobby. Blame bureaucracy and our litigious society. Athena

2:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Harry Brown says...

I hope Mr Brazzi happens to spot one or two of these scumbags on their own when he has recovered from his injuries. I hope also, that he happens to have a couple of friends with him when this occurs.

In my experience, these idiots are nothing when they are not in a big group and I also find that a taste of their own medicine is the only consequence that they will learn from.

I hope that you all recover soon and that these morons are dealt with properly
I hope Mr Brazzi happens to spot one or two of these scumbags on their own when he has recovered from his injuries. I hope also, that he happens to have a couple of friends with him when this occurs. In my experience, these idiots are nothing when they are not in a big group and I also find that a taste of their own medicine is the only consequence that they will learn from. I hope that you all recover soon and that these morons are dealt with properly Harry Brown

2:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Athena says...

Old Ladys Gin wrote:
Juleyanne wrote:
Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society!
Groups of undesirables being rounded up and put into camps?
That's been tried before within living memory ;)
Or they could go to the "naughty boys' school" in Mile Oak. Oh, no, that's a housing estate now.
[quote][p][bold]Old Ladys Gin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juleyanne[/bold] wrote: Round the feral youths up and put them on an inhabitable island boot camp with no way out until they learn to behave in society![/p][/quote]Groups of undesirables being rounded up and put into camps? That's been tried before within living memory ;)[/p][/quote]Or they could go to the "naughty boys' school" in Mile Oak. Oh, no, that's a housing estate now. Athena

4:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Blustering on about 'what I would have done..'is no consolation to the victims,evan insulting.You don't know that these people didn't fight back. 10-15 of anybody against 3 is overwhelming,just hope it doesn't happen to you.The perpetrators are just as likely to come from 'good families' in 'good' areas,so lets agree anyone can be scum,and not try and second guess where they are from.
They could be YOUR kids.
Blustering on about 'what I would have done..'is no consolation to the victims,evan insulting.You don't know that these people didn't fight back. 10-15 of anybody against 3 is overwhelming,just hope it doesn't happen to you.The perpetrators are just as likely to come from 'good families' in 'good' areas,so lets agree anyone can be scum,and not try and second guess where they are from. They could be YOUR kids. Herbert Perkins

4:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

ICantThinkOfAName says...

I expect the police would be permanently stationed around Churchill Square i force to protect the gang members if a group of "vigilantes' were about.
I expect the police would be permanently stationed around Churchill Square i force to protect the gang members if a group of "vigilantes' were about. ICantThinkOfAName

6:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Just about any youth who just hangs around Churchill Square in a large group late at night will most likely be skuzzy types. Sorry, but it's a fact. Stop the Moulsecoomb and Whitehawk weekend post-midnight night buses and that would make a discernible difference. Instead you'd see these grooves in the streets everywhere from where their dragging knuckles have left indentations on their way to and from the mall from their estates. Fewer of them mind, but some of them would still come regardless! Amazing how even snails manage to find their way back to your garden after being displaced by a storm. :D
Just about any youth who just hangs around Churchill Square in a large group late at night will most likely be skuzzy types. Sorry, but it's a fact. Stop the Moulsecoomb and Whitehawk weekend post-midnight night buses and that would make a discernible difference. Instead you'd see these grooves in the streets everywhere from where their dragging knuckles have left indentations on their way to and from the mall from their estates. Fewer of them mind, but some of them would still come regardless! Amazing how even snails manage to find their way back to your garden after being displaced by a storm. :D KarenT

6:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Typically bigoted sneering , KrunT.
Meaningless snail analogy too,well done.
Don't smoke and post.
Typically bigoted sneering , KrunT. Meaningless snail analogy too,well done. Don't smoke and post. Herbert Perkins

6:53pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Animac says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
Blustering on about 'what I would have done..'is no consolation to the victims,evan insulting.You don't know that these people didn't fight back. 10-15 of anybody against 3 is overwhelming,just hope it doesn't happen to you.The perpetrators are just as likely to come from 'good families' in 'good' areas,so lets agree anyone can be scum,and not try and second guess where they are from.
They could be YOUR kids.
No, they really could not. Mine aren't allowed out to roam the city in packs. If they want to go bowling, to the cinema or to a friends house, I drop them off and pick them up. There is no reason for any child to be wandering around the streets doing 'nothing' at night. My boys are 13 and 16 and while they are my responsibility, they'll live by my rules. They may not be as "street smart" as the average teen boy, but that's not really my biggest worry.
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: Blustering on about 'what I would have done..'is no consolation to the victims,evan insulting.You don't know that these people didn't fight back. 10-15 of anybody against 3 is overwhelming,just hope it doesn't happen to you.The perpetrators are just as likely to come from 'good families' in 'good' areas,so lets agree anyone can be scum,and not try and second guess where they are from. They could be YOUR kids.[/p][/quote]No, they really could not. Mine aren't allowed out to roam the city in packs. If they want to go bowling, to the cinema or to a friends house, I drop them off and pick them up. There is no reason for any child to be wandering around the streets doing 'nothing' at night. My boys are 13 and 16 and while they are my responsibility, they'll live by my rules. They may not be as "street smart" as the average teen boy, but that's not really my biggest worry. Animac

7:06pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
Typically bigoted sneering , KrunT.
Meaningless snail analogy too,well done.
Don't smoke and post.
You honestly didn't get the 'snail analogy"? It's not exactly cryptic, is it? Do you really need me to explain it for you?

Also you don't understand what 'bigotry' is, do you? Bigotry is basically intolerance based on fairly external things (like socioeconomic status), without engaging with the facts of demographics. In other words, prejudice based on pre-conceived notions. As inconvenient as it may be, one can't escape fact. It just sits there, staring at you in the face!
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: Typically bigoted sneering , KrunT. Meaningless snail analogy too,well done. Don't smoke and post.[/p][/quote]You honestly didn't get the 'snail analogy"? It's not exactly cryptic, is it? Do you really need me to explain it for you? Also you don't understand what 'bigotry' is, do you? Bigotry is basically intolerance based on fairly external things (like socioeconomic status), without engaging with the facts of demographics. In other words, prejudice based on pre-conceived notions. As inconvenient as it may be, one can't escape fact. It just sits there, staring at you in the face! KarenT

7:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

OMG, just realised, it's YOU, "Herbert"! :D As I remember, a befitting name indeed.
OMG, just realised, it's YOU, "Herbert"! :D As I remember, a befitting name indeed. KarenT

7:28pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Storms don't displace snails.And your personal definition of bigotry proves my point nicely.
Stick a thumb up your own comment.
Storms don't displace snails.And your personal definition of bigotry proves my point nicely. Stick a thumb up your own comment. Herbert Perkins

7:35pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
Storms don't displace snails.And your personal definition of bigotry proves my point nicely.
Stick a thumb up your own comment.
Storms don't displace snails, huh? Are you a gastropod expert then? That would be a great job for someone with your name. "Herbert, the Gastropod Expert". Do you have your own web site on the subject? Can we see a link? It would make interesting reading, no doubt!!! And I didn't know til just now that it's possible to score your own comments, thanks to you! Is that something that you do yourself much? I mean, when you're not being a gastropod expert of course?
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: Storms don't displace snails.And your personal definition of bigotry proves my point nicely. Stick a thumb up your own comment.[/p][/quote]Storms don't displace snails, huh? Are you a gastropod expert then? That would be a great job for someone with your name. "Herbert, the Gastropod Expert". Do you have your own web site on the subject? Can we see a link? It would make interesting reading, no doubt!!! And I didn't know til just now that it's possible to score your own comments, thanks to you! Is that something that you do yourself much? I mean, when you're not being a gastropod expert of course? KarenT

7:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

Animac, an alibi wasn't really necessary was it?
Animac, an alibi wasn't really necessary was it? Herbert Perkins

7:54pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Animac says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
Animac, an alibi wasn't really necessary was it?
Ah, now I get it. You're one of "those". Trolls, isn't it? You make a throw away comment, people stick up for themselves, you try and belittle them. Every forum has one. You special thing, you.
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: Animac, an alibi wasn't really necessary was it?[/p][/quote]Ah, now I get it. You're one of "those". Trolls, isn't it? You make a throw away comment, people stick up for themselves, you try and belittle them. Every forum has one. You special thing, you. Animac

9:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Herbert Perkins says...

No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens.
You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know.
You felt the need to take issue with me.
Doesn't that make you the troll?
No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens. You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know. You felt the need to take issue with me. Doesn't that make you the troll? Herbert Perkins

9:26pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Athena says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens.
You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know.
You felt the need to take issue with me.
Doesn't that make you the troll?
No, they couldn't be just anyone's sons. These are children who have not been taught respect or consideration for others. They are out of control and most youths actually wouldn't behave like this.
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens. You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know. You felt the need to take issue with me. Doesn't that make you the troll?[/p][/quote]No, they couldn't be just anyone's sons. These are children who have not been taught respect or consideration for others. They are out of control and most youths actually wouldn't behave like this. Athena

10:20pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Animac says...

Herbert Perkins wrote:
No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens.
You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know.
You felt the need to take issue with me.
Doesn't that make you the troll?
I'm sorry Herbert, I totally disagree. I DO know what my son's are doing whenever they are out. They are only out when at a pre-arranged event, like I said, dropped off, picked up. At a friends house? Yes, with an agreement with the friend's parents, that my child isn't allowed to go out to hang around a park or wherever.

It really is not that difficult to instil right and wrong into your children and to prevent them from doing what you don't want them to do. That's what makes me a PARENT. I'm in charge, they do as they are told and abide by my rules. They may think i'm overbearing or **** about me when they have to refuse a request to "hang out", but that's tough. I love them, we have a laugh, they have a good life. Just a very supervised and fairly strict one.

And for the record, your comment about the alibi was taken with the exact contempt it deserved. You were trying to be clever with your thinly veiled insult.
[quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens. You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know. You felt the need to take issue with me. Doesn't that make you the troll?[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Herbert, I totally disagree. I DO know what my son's are doing whenever they are out. They are only out when at a pre-arranged event, like I said, dropped off, picked up. At a friends house? Yes, with an agreement with the friend's parents, that my child isn't allowed to go out to hang around a park or wherever. It really is not that difficult to instil right and wrong into your children and to prevent them from doing what you don't want them to do. That's what makes me a PARENT. I'm in charge, they do as they are told and abide by my rules. They may think i'm overbearing or **** about me when they have to refuse a request to "hang out", but that's tough. I love them, we have a laugh, they have a good life. Just a very supervised and fairly strict one. And for the record, your comment about the alibi was taken with the exact contempt it deserved. You were trying to be clever with your thinly veiled insult. Animac

6:54am Fri 6 Dec 13

AdrianVerne says...

John Steed wrote:
what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening?
The gas chamber would be too good for the scum that did this.
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening?[/p][/quote]The gas chamber would be too good for the scum that did this. AdrianVerne

10:00am Fri 6 Dec 13

thinkbeforeyouspeak11 says...

Athena wrote:
The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary.
the blame lies with the parents you short-sighted fool
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary.[/p][/quote]the blame lies with the parents you short-sighted fool thinkbeforeyouspeak11

10:33am Fri 6 Dec 13

Athena says...

thinkbeforeyouspeak1
1
wrote:
Athena wrote:
The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary.
the blame lies with the parents you short-sighted fool
That is what I have been saying or implying.
[quote][p][bold]thinkbeforeyouspeak1 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: The papers are full of mindless, vicious attacks by the very young. We need to bring the word "punishment" back into our vocabulary.[/p][/quote]the blame lies with the parents you short-sighted fool[/p][/quote]That is what I have been saying or implying. Athena

11:00am Fri 6 Dec 13

Tippy Toes says...

Animac wrote:
Herbert Perkins wrote:
No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens.
You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know.
You felt the need to take issue with me.
Doesn't that make you the troll?
I'm sorry Herbert, I totally disagree. I DO know what my son's are doing whenever they are out. They are only out when at a pre-arranged event, like I said, dropped off, picked up. At a friends house? Yes, with an agreement with the friend's parents, that my child isn't allowed to go out to hang around a park or wherever.

It really is not that difficult to instil right and wrong into your children and to prevent them from doing what you don't want them to do. That's what makes me a PARENT. I'm in charge, they do as they are told and abide by my rules. They may think i'm overbearing or **** about me when they have to refuse a request to "hang out", but that's tough. I love them, we have a laugh, they have a good life. Just a very supervised and fairly strict one.

And for the record, your comment about the alibi was taken with the exact contempt it deserved. You were trying to be clever with your thinly veiled insult.
Totally agree with your comments! Bring your children up the right way and you are likely to get nice well behaved kids. So many parents make excuses for their children's behaviour. Like you said, I am in charge, not them! And my 3 children know that!
[quote][p][bold]Animac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Herbert Perkins[/bold] wrote: No,Animac, they could be your sons,anybody's sons,regardless of how often you deliver them personally to their destinations.You are not with them 24/7. No parent could be.So its not throwaway, I meant it.Not many mothers would think their sons or daughters capable of this.But still it happens. You took my initial comment personally,for reasons only you know. You felt the need to take issue with me. Doesn't that make you the troll?[/p][/quote]I'm sorry Herbert, I totally disagree. I DO know what my son's are doing whenever they are out. They are only out when at a pre-arranged event, like I said, dropped off, picked up. At a friends house? Yes, with an agreement with the friend's parents, that my child isn't allowed to go out to hang around a park or wherever. It really is not that difficult to instil right and wrong into your children and to prevent them from doing what you don't want them to do. That's what makes me a PARENT. I'm in charge, they do as they are told and abide by my rules. They may think i'm overbearing or **** about me when they have to refuse a request to "hang out", but that's tough. I love them, we have a laugh, they have a good life. Just a very supervised and fairly strict one. And for the record, your comment about the alibi was taken with the exact contempt it deserved. You were trying to be clever with your thinly veiled insult.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with your comments! Bring your children up the right way and you are likely to get nice well behaved kids. So many parents make excuses for their children's behaviour. Like you said, I am in charge, not them! And my 3 children know that! Tippy Toes

11:46am Fri 6 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D
Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D KarenT

2:53pm Fri 6 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

Bring back the birch !
Bring back the birch ! gheese77

3:35pm Fri 6 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

KarenT wrote:
Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D
In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D[/p][/quote]In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks. mimseycal

6:30pm Fri 6 Dec 13

antichrist says...

i know this as.h...es ,there is about 10-15 of them girls and faggo.s walking around and looking for broken nose. i am in the city every night driving around so i am more than sure that this pi.s of s..t done this,and if they ever come to me i am not gonna ask how old they are!!!!!!!!
i know this as.h...es ,there is about 10-15 of them girls and faggo.s walking around and looking for broken nose. i am in the city every night driving around so i am more than sure that this pi.s of s..t done this,and if they ever come to me i am not gonna ask how old they are!!!!!!!! antichrist

8:01pm Fri 6 Dec 13

hubby says...

John Steed wrote:
what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening?
Lots and lots and lots.
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: what is the background to these vicious scrotes? and how many more of these youths are on the streets of brighton late in the evening?[/p][/quote]Lots and lots and lots. hubby

8:41pm Fri 6 Dec 13

hubby says...

antichrist wrote:
i know this as.h...es ,there is about 10-15 of them girls and faggo.s walking around and looking for broken nose. i am in the city every night driving around so i am more than sure that this pi.s of s..t done this,and if they ever come to me i am not gonna ask how old they are!!!!!!!!
Always carry a pepper spray and a tazer!
[quote][p][bold]antichrist[/bold] wrote: i know this as.h...es ,there is about 10-15 of them girls and faggo.s walking around and looking for broken nose. i am in the city every night driving around so i am more than sure that this pi.s of s..t done this,and if they ever come to me i am not gonna ask how old they are!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Always carry a pepper spray and a tazer! hubby

9:49am Sat 7 Dec 13

Athena says...

mimseycal wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D
In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.
But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling"
. We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D[/p][/quote]In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.[/p][/quote]But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling" . We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour. Athena

6:05pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Old Ladys Gin says...

I think it may be better to wait until the full details of this story are available.
I think it may be better to wait until the full details of this story are available. Old Ladys Gin

6:15pm Sat 7 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Athena: "They can express themselves when they are mature. The social experiment of withholding punishment has not worked, and now we have two generations (teenagers and parents) who are out of control. The next generation will be even worse."

Best quote on the subject in my opinion. Says all that needs to be said. :-)
Athena: "They can express themselves when they are mature. The social experiment of withholding punishment has not worked, and now we have two generations (teenagers and parents) who are out of control. The next generation will be even worse." Best quote on the subject in my opinion. Says all that needs to be said. :-) KarenT

1:00pm Sun 8 Dec 13

scoobysnax says...

What amazes me is that I walked passed this area on Friday night around 7pm (3 days after this incident). I couldn't believe that the same group of kids were occupying the stairs that lead to the Bus Stop from the Prince of Wales Pub so that nobody could pass through. There were about 15 kids all practicing their Kungfu kicks and violent punches on each other. I went down to some of the workers and smokers outside the pub, who all pointed out that there is no CCTV on the Bus Stop or the stairs where these kids are terrorizing people, the CCTV is directed at the front door of the pub and no where else!! No body questions a group of 20 kids all practicing their latest beat up techniques. Might is right are the new morals of the last generation and we don't see any police intervening either. Kids killing kids just for the kicks and cops let them off with a caution.
What amazes me is that I walked passed this area on Friday night around 7pm (3 days after this incident). I couldn't believe that the same group of kids were occupying the stairs that lead to the Bus Stop from the Prince of Wales Pub so that nobody could pass through. There were about 15 kids all practicing their Kungfu kicks and violent punches on each other. I went down to some of the workers and smokers outside the pub, who all pointed out that there is no CCTV on the Bus Stop or the stairs where these kids are terrorizing people, the CCTV is directed at the front door of the pub and no where else!! No body questions a group of 20 kids all practicing their latest beat up techniques. Might is right are the new morals of the last generation and we don't see any police intervening either. Kids killing kids just for the kicks and cops let them off with a caution. scoobysnax

1:24pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Athena wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D
In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.
But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling"

. We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour.
We are talking in generalities which is fine when we are considering generalities. But when it comes down to individuals ... well, that is where things change.

We don't know who these little feral oiks are. We don't know their individual backgrounds. To assume that they are all necessarily from dysfunctional backgrounds, with uncaring parents, is wrong. Maybe they are, maybe they are not.

And even if it turns out they all are in this case, it would still be wrong to hold that all dysfunctional families will necessarily bring little feral oiks into the world. Just as it would be wrong to sit on our complacent backsides and assume that overly controlling or perfectly balanced parenting will never raise feral oiks.
[quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D[/p][/quote]In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.[/p][/quote]But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling" . We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour.[/p][/quote]We are talking in generalities which is fine when we are considering generalities. But when it comes down to individuals ... well, that is where things change. We don't know who these little feral oiks are. We don't know their individual backgrounds. To assume that they are all necessarily from dysfunctional backgrounds, with uncaring parents, is wrong. Maybe they are, maybe they are not. And even if it turns out they all are in this case, it would still be wrong to hold that all dysfunctional families will necessarily bring little feral oiks into the world. Just as it would be wrong to sit on our complacent backsides and assume that overly controlling or perfectly balanced parenting will never raise feral oiks. mimseycal

4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

KarenT says...

mimseycal wrote:
Athena wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D
In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.
But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling"


. We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour.
We are talking in generalities which is fine when we are considering generalities. But when it comes down to individuals ... well, that is where things change.

We don't know who these little feral oiks are. We don't know their individual backgrounds. To assume that they are all necessarily from dysfunctional backgrounds, with uncaring parents, is wrong. Maybe they are, maybe they are not.

And even if it turns out they all are in this case, it would still be wrong to hold that all dysfunctional families will necessarily bring little feral oiks into the world. Just as it would be wrong to sit on our complacent backsides and assume that overly controlling or perfectly balanced parenting will never raise feral oiks.
Yes, generalisations of course! No one said ALL kids from dysfunctional families turn into oiks! "Generally" speaking! "Generalisations"! There is a lot of truth in generalising and stereotyping or the generalisations wouldn't exist. There are ALWAYS exceptions, to everything!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Athena[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Babies/children are like silly putty, in that they will become who you make them into, and follow the example that you set. Of course they will eventually want to express and define themselves, but they need boundaries and rules when they're growing up! Without that, they can and will run riot most of the time, and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D[/p][/quote]In most cases, I'll grant you but not in all cases. Sometimes being overly controlling can have much the same effect and sometimes, even with the perfect balance, the kids turn out to be (not so) little oiks.[/p][/quote]But we're not talking about being "overly-controlling" . We are talking about teaching children right from wrong, and guiding them on their path through life by teaching them they cannot always have or do what they want, that there are limits. Lazy parenting or freedom of "self-expression" are sure routes to selfishness, thoughtlessness and this kind of uncontrolled behaviour.[/p][/quote]We are talking in generalities which is fine when we are considering generalities. But when it comes down to individuals ... well, that is where things change. We don't know who these little feral oiks are. We don't know their individual backgrounds. To assume that they are all necessarily from dysfunctional backgrounds, with uncaring parents, is wrong. Maybe they are, maybe they are not. And even if it turns out they all are in this case, it would still be wrong to hold that all dysfunctional families will necessarily bring little feral oiks into the world. Just as it would be wrong to sit on our complacent backsides and assume that overly controlling or perfectly balanced parenting will never raise feral oiks.[/p][/quote]Yes, generalisations of course! No one said ALL kids from dysfunctional families turn into oiks! "Generally" speaking! "Generalisations"! There is a lot of truth in generalising and stereotyping or the generalisations wouldn't exist. There are ALWAYS exceptions, to everything! KarenT

4:47pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D"

Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D
@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13 Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D" Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D mimseycal

5:06pm Sun 8 Dec 13

KarenT says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D"

Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D
I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13 Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D" Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D[/p][/quote]I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact. KarenT

5:11pm Sun 8 Dec 13

KarenT says...

That's the "people" wearing the fishy bikini's, not the crocodiles! :D However even in that surreal instance I still think most people would get eaten by crocodiles.
That's the "people" wearing the fishy bikini's, not the crocodiles! :D However even in that surreal instance I still think most people would get eaten by crocodiles. KarenT

5:45pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

KarenT wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D"

Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D
I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact.
Don't flatter yourself m'dear. Nothing to hang on to as it is there on record. As for language and its correct usage ... sweetness, I've forgotten more then you have yet to learn. But then that is another unfortunate side effect of bigoted prejudice ... it tends to clog up the cognitive circuitry.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13 Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D" Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D[/p][/quote]I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact.[/p][/quote]Don't flatter yourself m'dear. Nothing to hang on to as it is there on record. As for language and its correct usage ... sweetness, I've forgotten more then you have yet to learn. But then that is another unfortunate side effect of bigoted prejudice ... it tends to clog up the cognitive circuitry. mimseycal

6:21pm Sun 8 Dec 13

KarenT says...

mimseycal wrote:
KarenT wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D"

Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D
I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact.
Don't flatter yourself m'dear. Nothing to hang on to as it is there on record. As for language and its correct usage ... sweetness, I've forgotten more then you have yet to learn. But then that is another unfortunate side effect of bigoted prejudice ... it tends to clog up the cognitive circuitry.
Still deeply flattered, as you're obviously taking particular note of my posts! Cool! Anyway, it's often said that when someone can't think of an intelligent way to debate with you they always sink to condescending remarks and insults; out of desperation to find SOMETHING to say. I haven't insulted you at all, I've just merely said and supported what I think. Are you able to do that, at all??? Or are you just able to get all snidey and do that faux sycophantic thing, by calling me "sweetness", etc? So utterly boring...
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13 Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D" Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D[/p][/quote]I'm so flattered that you hang on to my every word! It's really made my day! I think that if you have opinions based on generalisations that is hardly bigoted. As I pointed out before, bigotry is based on hearsay and pre-concieved notions and has no basis in or on fact. Generalisations DO have a basis in or on fact. Just because there are exceptions to generalisations, doesn't mean that one cannot have an opinion on any norm or majority. Just as has been pointed out here, that most responsible and "involved" parenting leads to responsible kids. Fact. Most people that go swimming with crocodiles wearing bikini's made of fish will get eaten by crocodiles. Fact.[/p][/quote]Don't flatter yourself m'dear. Nothing to hang on to as it is there on record. As for language and its correct usage ... sweetness, I've forgotten more then you have yet to learn. But then that is another unfortunate side effect of bigoted prejudice ... it tends to clog up the cognitive circuitry.[/p][/quote]Still deeply flattered, as you're obviously taking particular note of my posts! Cool! Anyway, it's often said that when someone can't think of an intelligent way to debate with you they always sink to condescending remarks and insults; out of desperation to find SOMETHING to say. I haven't insulted you at all, I've just merely said and supported what I think. Are you able to do that, at all??? Or are you just able to get all snidey and do that faux sycophantic thing, by calling me "sweetness", etc? So utterly boring... KarenT

2:58am Mon 9 Dec 13

Athena says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D"

Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D
Nah. Tragedy is, that there are "typical parents" who will breed such kids as these. And then their kids will breed more of the same. Been happening for a few generations now, only you are not allowed to say so, because this is to ellicit "prejudice". Fact is, stupidity breeds stupidity.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ KarenT11:46am 4:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13 Except that this is exactly what you did in your post on this thread on Fri 6 Dec 13 and I quote "and without a doubt the kids who did this will have parents who just couldn't be arsed and will be whinging on: "It ain't my fault, Shane/Liam/Darren don't listen to a bleedin' word I say!" Sad but true! :D" Bigoted prejudice doesn't cease being what it is by adding a :D[/p][/quote]Nah. Tragedy is, that there are "typical parents" who will breed such kids as these. And then their kids will breed more of the same. Been happening for a few generations now, only you are not allowed to say so, because this is to ellicit "prejudice". Fact is, stupidity breeds stupidity. Athena

3:26am Mon 9 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Sheesh ... some people really have a problem with differing views. I've made my point and leave you and KarenT to regurgitate yours.
Sheesh ... some people really have a problem with differing views. I've made my point and leave you and KarenT to regurgitate yours. mimseycal

10:00am Mon 9 Dec 13

KarenT says...

mimseycal wrote:
Sheesh ... some people really have a problem with differing views. I've made my point and leave you and KarenT to regurgitate yours.
Thing is you didn't MAKE any point... You just blathered emotively WITHOUT making a point or backing up your view in any intelligent or convincing way, which I'm afraid is all you ever seem to do here, "sweetness". You will always take the "left" view no matter how obviously flawed and inconsistent your view is! I find this quite common amongst those with what might be deemed as "leftist views"! They yell and blather emotively and turn up at right wing marches wearing balaclavas, yelling "Nazi scum" (oh how original), thinking they are Che Guevara. They are incapable of intelligent debate, just lots of emotive pontificating!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Sheesh ... some people really have a problem with differing views. I've made my point and leave you and KarenT to regurgitate yours.[/p][/quote]Thing is you didn't MAKE any point... You just blathered emotively WITHOUT making a point or backing up your view in any intelligent or convincing way, which I'm afraid is all you ever seem to do here, "sweetness". You will always take the "left" view no matter how obviously flawed and inconsistent your view is! I find this quite common amongst those with what might be deemed as "leftist views"! They yell and blather emotively and turn up at right wing marches wearing balaclavas, yelling "Nazi scum" (oh how original), thinking they are Che Guevara. They are incapable of intelligent debate, just lots of emotive pontificating! KarenT

5:33pm Mon 9 Dec 13

ilovefruit3 says...

I really do feel for this poor pair as a similar thing happened to me back in May. I now have a scar along the length of my eyebrow from the attack of uneducated teenagers.

I know after you will not feel safe while in Brighton for quite some time. I had to carry an alarm with me for several months. But trust me you will start to feel better and the marks and scars fade and you can start living normally again.

The best thing is to talk about it, get your feeling out there and cry whenever you feel like it. Holding it in like I did worsened my attitude towards my friends and family and the whole event in general.

The only positive outcome of this horrible attack is you learn to become more aware of the situations this town offers, and understand different ways to deal with and escape them.

I wish you both get better, heal up and move on as soon as is possible for you xxx
I really do feel for this poor pair as a similar thing happened to me back in May. I now have a scar along the length of my eyebrow from the attack of uneducated teenagers. I know after you will not feel safe while in Brighton for quite some time. I had to carry an alarm with me for several months. But trust me you will start to feel better and the marks and scars fade and you can start living normally again. The best thing is to talk about it, get your feeling out there and cry whenever you feel like it. Holding it in like I did worsened my attitude towards my friends and family and the whole event in general. The only positive outcome of this horrible attack is you learn to become more aware of the situations this town offers, and understand different ways to deal with and escape them. I wish you both get better, heal up and move on as soon as is possible for you xxx ilovefruit3

9:53am Tue 10 Dec 13

downbythesea says...

More Police on the beat rather than driving around in cars or feet up in offices, eating burgers and scratching their lardy backsides I say!
More Police on the beat rather than driving around in cars or feet up in offices, eating burgers and scratching their lardy backsides I say! downbythesea

9:54am Tue 10 Dec 13

Athena says...

downbythesea wrote:
More Police on the beat rather than driving around in cars or feet up in offices, eating burgers and scratching their lardy backsides I say!
Read my previous posts.
[quote][p][bold]downbythesea[/bold] wrote: More Police on the beat rather than driving around in cars or feet up in offices, eating burgers and scratching their lardy backsides I say![/p][/quote]Read my previous posts. Athena

10:56am Tue 10 Dec 13

beano mcbean says...

mimseycal wrote:
manwithaflan wrote:
If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old?

They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power.....

Disgusting
This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971.

The CPS guidance states that

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

and:

Reasonable Force
A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of:
self-defence; or
defence of another; or
defence of property; or
prevention of crime; or
lawful arrest.

In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions:
was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and
was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?"

I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.
You might think so but recent history suggests otherwise. The best chance of this lot being punished is if they came in a car that used a bus lane.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manwithaflan[/bold] wrote: If you're getting attacked by 15 youths, how would the law look at it if in self-defence you happened to cause life changing injuries to a 14-year old? They know they've got the law on their side and exploit that power..... Disgusting[/p][/quote]This is nothing short of an urban myth. If you are attacked, you have the right to self defence. Defence of the person is governed by the common law. Unlike defence of property which is covered by the Criminal Damage Act 1971. The CPS guidance states that "It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary." and: Reasonable Force A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances for the purposes of: self-defence; or defence of another; or defence of property; or prevention of crime; or lawful arrest. In assessing the reasonableness of the force used, prosecutors should ask two questions: was the use of force necessary in the circumstances, i.e. Was there a need for any force at all? and was the force used reasonable in the circumstances?" I would have thought that if you are attacked by a gang of feral youths, you have the unquestionable right to self defence. Any injuries, and consequences to such injuries, to the aggressor/s, which in this case would be the feral youth, would be as a direct consequence of their actions and not of your self defence.[/p][/quote]You might think so but recent history suggests otherwise. The best chance of this lot being punished is if they came in a car that used a bus lane. beano mcbean

6:32am Fri 13 Dec 13

wis says...

"Mr Brazzi added: “It was relentless. It probably only lasted a couple of minutes but it felt like an eternity.”

Who is this Mr Brazzi? There is a Miss Brazzi, a Mr Hall and a Mr Maylin in this story, yet a Mr Brazzi commented.......
"Mr Brazzi added: “It was relentless. It probably only lasted a couple of minutes but it felt like an eternity.” Who is this Mr Brazzi? There is a Miss Brazzi, a Mr Hall and a Mr Maylin in this story, yet a Mr Brazzi commented....... wis

11:53am Thu 19 Dec 13

Lex-Angel says...

Name and shame them and their parents. Then put them in stocks in Churchill Square for a few hours on a Friday or Saturday night.
Name and shame them and their parents. Then put them in stocks in Churchill Square for a few hours on a Friday or Saturday night. Lex-Angel

8:35am Sun 22 Dec 13

hoveguyactually says...

And in a few years time these young monsters will be littering up the prisons, where they will be spending a large part of their future lives. Meanwhile every day yet another horror story is reported in the Argus as the city (?) becomes more and more weighed under with serious crime.
And our lovely council goes on and on about the wonderful job they are doing. No word of condemnation from them. Just look the other way and worry instead about how to raise parking charges and fines. I wonder what Caroline Lucas has to say about it all. Has she ever bothered to have a look at the city centre at 10.00 pm? Money squandered on useless vanity projects could be better spent on higher levels of security and policing.
I hope this family will be able to get over the shock of such a terrifying experience vey soon and, in spite of it all, I wish them a very happy Christmas and New Year.
And in a few years time these young monsters will be littering up the prisons, where they will be spending a large part of their future lives. Meanwhile every day yet another horror story is reported in the Argus as the city (?) becomes more and more weighed under with serious crime. And our lovely council goes on and on about the wonderful job they are doing. No word of condemnation from them. Just look the other way and worry instead about how to raise parking charges and fines. I wonder what Caroline Lucas has to say about it all. Has she ever bothered to have a look at the city centre at 10.00 pm? Money squandered on useless vanity projects could be better spent on higher levels of security and policing. I hope this family will be able to get over the shock of such a terrifying experience vey soon and, in spite of it all, I wish them a very happy Christmas and New Year. hoveguyactually

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