Brighton nurses pay slashed

The Argus: Brighton nurses pay slashed Brighton nurses pay slashed

Hundreds of hospital workers are facing a pay cut as an NHS trust works to save millions of pounds.

Managers at Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust want to reduce the amount of money it pays to its team of nursing bank staff - which could save it up to £1.5 million a year.

Bank staff provide cover for vacancies, sickness and special leave such as maternity. 

There are about 2,200 staff on the books and most of the workers are already employed by the trust. They use bank shifts as overtime to earn extra money.

However 550 workers, including nurses and healthcare assistants, only work bank shifts and do not have the benefit of sick pay or holiday pay.

One member of staff who contacted The Argus said: “A lot of people are very upset about this. It is not good for morale, especially when we are in such a busy time of year and coming up to Christmas.

“Those who only work on the bank are basically being told to take a pay cut and those who use it for overtime shifts are not really going to want to work them if they don't get the benefit they used to.

“This could cause problems in providing cover for the wards.”

The trust says its bank rates are higher than most other hospitals in England and reducing the amount paid will make it fairer for all staff as well as save money.

For example the changes would mean a Band 2 healthcare assistant currently paid £11.26 an hour for a 12 hour weekday shift, will be paid £7.89 an hour instead.

It said it was offering those staff who only work on bank shifts the chance to become a fully employed member of the trust, which would also help it fill its vacancies.

Meetings are being held this week to discuss the planned changes, which if they go ahead, are expected to come into force in February.

In a message to staff, chief nurse Sherree Fagge, said: “I know this is going to be difficult.

“For many it will be an opportunity to become a substantive member of BSUH staff with all the security and benefits you don't get when you work full-time on the bank.

“But I also know, and am genuinely sorry that this could mean some of you get less money each month at a time when everything else is getting more expensive.”

Gary Palmer from the GMB said his union did not support the proposals and be working to protect their members' best interests.

The trust is aiming to make £20 million savings this year to keep it on financial track.

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7:08am Wed 4 Dec 13

Eddddd27 says...

Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH.
Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH. Eddddd27

7:26am Wed 4 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Nurses pay the price for NHS cuts and privitisation. Apparently local conservative MP Kirby is quite happy with this situation.
Nurses pay the price for NHS cuts and privitisation. Apparently local conservative MP Kirby is quite happy with this situation. HJarrs

10:33am Wed 4 Dec 13

Prob123 says...

Eddddd27 wrote:
Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH.
I'm so disgusted with this, I already work full time at the Trust and I rely on my bank for extra money otherwise I simply cannot afford to live here. This town is expensive. I do overtime regularly on my ward but without the overtime rate - we get bank rate which is much less and then to get this cut as well just takes the biscuit. I've lost moral in the NHS and now my own Trust that I work very hard for. I have made the decision to leave not only BSUH but the UK. I will take my nursing skills where better valued. There are greater opportunities abroad where I know my nursing colleagues have gone to work and they tell me they are much better off and better appreciated then they ever got from here. Pay us what we deserve. Fewer people are going to be willing to work overtime jeopardising patient safety. Cutting pay is not the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]Eddddd27[/bold] wrote: Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH.[/p][/quote]I'm so disgusted with this, I already work full time at the Trust and I rely on my bank for extra money otherwise I simply cannot afford to live here. This town is expensive. I do overtime regularly on my ward but without the overtime rate - we get bank rate which is much less and then to get this cut as well just takes the biscuit. I've lost moral in the NHS and now my own Trust that I work very hard for. I have made the decision to leave not only BSUH but the UK. I will take my nursing skills where better valued. There are greater opportunities abroad where I know my nursing colleagues have gone to work and they tell me they are much better off and better appreciated then they ever got from here. Pay us what we deserve. Fewer people are going to be willing to work overtime jeopardising patient safety. Cutting pay is not the way forward. Prob123

11:07am Wed 4 Dec 13

ICantThinkOfAName says...

How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?
How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management? ICantThinkOfAName

11:32am Wed 4 Dec 13

Prob123 says...

Please try to attend any of these meetings to help stop this happening!!
Bank Rate Meetings – dates
RSCH:
Wednesday 4 December, Lecture Theatre, AEB – 7.00pm
FURTHER DATE ADDED - Wednesday 11 December, Lecture Theatre, AEB - 8.00am
PRH:
Wednesday 4 December, Lecture Theatre 2B, Euan Keat – 8.00am
FURTHER DATE ADDED - Wednesday 11 December, Lecture Theatre 1, Euan Keat – 7.00pm
Share these dates and times with your colleagues.
Please try to attend any of these meetings to help stop this happening!! Bank Rate Meetings – dates RSCH: Wednesday 4 December, Lecture Theatre, AEB – 7.00pm FURTHER DATE ADDED - Wednesday 11 December, Lecture Theatre, AEB - 8.00am PRH: Wednesday 4 December, Lecture Theatre 2B, Euan Keat – 8.00am FURTHER DATE ADDED - Wednesday 11 December, Lecture Theatre 1, Euan Keat – 7.00pm Share these dates and times with your colleagues. Prob123

11:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Incredible - no connection with hospitals other than as an occasional visitor but BSUH has an unenviable record of budgetary incompetence (mis-)managed by transient highly-paid management!
Incredible - no connection with hospitals other than as an occasional visitor but BSUH has an unenviable record of budgetary incompetence (mis-)managed by transient highly-paid management! Tailgaters Anonymous

12:03pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Arc/Weld says...

I work for the BSUH (not for much longer hopefully) and find this disgusting.
If you want to save money in the NHS slash the wages from the top first. Overpaid meddlers that mess up the flow of each department (where people actually know what they are doing).
I work for the BSUH (not for much longer hopefully) and find this disgusting. If you want to save money in the NHS slash the wages from the top first. Overpaid meddlers that mess up the flow of each department (where people actually know what they are doing). Arc/Weld

2:23pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Goldenwight says...

Why should someone who only works when they want to be entitled to holiday/sick pay?

Ask yourself this- if you engaged a builder to build an extension to your house would you be prepared to pay for days he didn't work? Of course not- you would expect to pay for what he actually did.

That said, this trust DOES have quite a history of financial problems. Perhaps they should invest in a £200m scheme to investigate why?
Why should someone who only works when they want to be entitled to holiday/sick pay? Ask yourself this- if you engaged a builder to build an extension to your house would you be prepared to pay for days he didn't work? Of course not- you would expect to pay for what he actually did. That said, this trust DOES have quite a history of financial problems. Perhaps they should invest in a £200m scheme to investigate why? Goldenwight

3:05pm Wed 4 Dec 13

single mum says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Why should someone who only works when they want to be entitled to holiday/sick pay?

Ask yourself this- if you engaged a builder to build an extension to your house would you be prepared to pay for days he didn't work? Of course not- you would expect to pay for what he actually did.

That said, this trust DOES have quite a history of financial problems. Perhaps they should invest in a £200m scheme to investigate why?
I dont think you understand how the bank system works. If you dont work you dont get paid........THERE IS NO SICK PAY.Holiday pay is worked out by how many hours you do in a set period of time. A lot of nurses/HCAs work bank shifts only to fit in with family commitments. This helps out in 2 ways......shortfalls in area are covered when there is sickness etc and other staff dont have to fit their off duty around someone who has to have set hours.
I am often phoned to cover when a collegue is off sick (I have a fulltime contract) but if this happens I will do no overtime. The area I work in is a specialist area and can not be covered by many others and there is a distinct possibility that my work would not be covered leaving patients at risk.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Why should someone who only works when they want to be entitled to holiday/sick pay? Ask yourself this- if you engaged a builder to build an extension to your house would you be prepared to pay for days he didn't work? Of course not- you would expect to pay for what he actually did. That said, this trust DOES have quite a history of financial problems. Perhaps they should invest in a £200m scheme to investigate why?[/p][/quote]I dont think you understand how the bank system works. If you dont work you dont get paid........THERE IS NO SICK PAY.Holiday pay is worked out by how many hours you do in a set period of time. A lot of nurses/HCAs work bank shifts only to fit in with family commitments. This helps out in 2 ways......shortfalls in area are covered when there is sickness etc and other staff dont have to fit their off duty around someone who has to have set hours. I am often phoned to cover when a collegue is off sick (I have a fulltime contract) but if this happens I will do no overtime. The area I work in is a specialist area and can not be covered by many others and there is a distinct possibility that my work would not be covered leaving patients at risk. single mum

3:31pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Brighton light says...

New Zealand here I come.....can't believe BSUH has fallen again. It has never supported its trust hired Bank staff in this trust. Still willing to pay for agancy staff by the way as you realise you are putting patients at risk, regular staff under stress and you cannot cover the sickness and absense on your wards??
Its a complete farce and a lovely thing to know coming up to Christmas.
very sad to having to think about leaving Brighton now as will not be able to afford to live here with a wage cut.
We work too hard to hard to have to deal with this :(
New Zealand here I come.....can't believe BSUH has fallen again. It has never supported its trust hired Bank staff in this trust. Still willing to pay for agancy staff by the way as you realise you are putting patients at risk, regular staff under stress and you cannot cover the sickness and absense on your wards?? Its a complete farce and a lovely thing to know coming up to Christmas. very sad to having to think about leaving Brighton now as will not be able to afford to live here with a wage cut. We work too hard to hard to have to deal with this :( Brighton light

3:32pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Gavi says...

I dont use Bank nursing as extra money, I do it because I am sick. Think of mothers, chronically sick etc in which this is their only job. Moral is at an all time low, staff are being vile to each other due to stress. Of course I'm looking for a new (part time) job but a midde aged chronicaly sick person who has spent all their working life nursing, what are my chances??? Unbelievable.
I dont use Bank nursing as extra money, I do it because I am sick. Think of mothers, chronically sick etc in which this is their only job. Moral is at an all time low, staff are being vile to each other due to stress. Of course I'm looking for a new (part time) job but a midde aged chronicaly sick person who has spent all their working life nursing, what are my chances??? Unbelievable. Gavi

3:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

beboo1 says...

I also work for this trust and will be stopping doing overtime too. Looks like this trust will not only lose many valuable staff but staff that still work will be stretched therefore increasing sickness and stress levels within the workforce.
Reduce the wages and staff who have worked overtime who are so valuably needed will not work is very simple and very worrying.
I also work for this trust and will be stopping doing overtime too. Looks like this trust will not only lose many valuable staff but staff that still work will be stretched therefore increasing sickness and stress levels within the workforce. Reduce the wages and staff who have worked overtime who are so valuably needed will not work is very simple and very worrying. beboo1

4:22pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Farouche says...

Good news! They get paid too much as it is...
Good news! They get paid too much as it is... Farouche

7:08pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Bright666 says...

Utterly amazing. I left the trust in 2007 and remained on the bank. I was terminated last year in error and have spent a year trying to get back on. I was unable to make the interview in October due to very short notice and the next one they can offer is February 2014!! I was advised by HR to join an agency-I am just so glad they can afford to turn staff away and also afford to pay for agency which costs double.

It makes no sense but I will give up if they are going to drop their rates even further.
Utterly amazing. I left the trust in 2007 and remained on the bank. I was terminated last year in error and have spent a year trying to get back on. I was unable to make the interview in October due to very short notice and the next one they can offer is February 2014!! I was advised by HR to join an agency-I am just so glad they can afford to turn staff away and also afford to pay for agency which costs double. It makes no sense but I will give up if they are going to drop their rates even further. Bright666

7:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Lwilliams92 says...

From January Britain will be allowing hundreds of thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants into the UK.From February BSUH are cutting the amount it pays it's bank staff....What a coincidence!.

The Hospital doesn't and will not care if it's current staff refuse to do bank shifts as they know the immigrants who will be flocking to the country will happily do it.Why ?...Because their money will be bumped up by benefits anyway.The Hospital saves money and is happy,immigrants are happy...Yet the hard working British Nurses and Health care assistants are screwed over.Nice one!.
From January Britain will be allowing hundreds of thousands of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants into the UK.From February BSUH are cutting the amount it pays it's bank staff....What a coincidence!. The Hospital doesn't and will not care if it's current staff refuse to do bank shifts as they know the immigrants who will be flocking to the country will happily do it.Why ?...Because their money will be bumped up by benefits anyway.The Hospital saves money and is happy,immigrants are happy...Yet the hard working British Nurses and Health care assistants are screwed over.Nice one!. Lwilliams92

8:13pm Wed 4 Dec 13

a person says...

This sort of thing is not new .
Taking a pay cut and working more hours for it has been
happening for quite a while in the private sector.
It is not easy to take but not many people can afford to lose their job.
This is what the managers and share holders bank on , when they screw the workers.
This sort of thing is not new . Taking a pay cut and working more hours for it has been happening for quite a while in the private sector. It is not easy to take but not many people can afford to lose their job. This is what the managers and share holders bank on , when they screw the workers. a person

10:06pm Wed 4 Dec 13

telefantastic says...

A few things:

Sheree Fagg is not sorry.
There are only 200 vacancies outlined as available at the hospital, they are NOT all for nurses and HCA's and this will still leave 2000 approx. workers with a pay cut.
There are no *benefits* of working for a corrupt and bankrupt trust.

A PAY CUT IS A PAY CUT no matter how much you want to dress it up.

I urge anyone reading this comment to join the GMB and air your frustrations to them, I am a member and I have faith in them to help us stop this from happening.
A few things: Sheree Fagg is not sorry. There are only 200 vacancies outlined as available at the hospital, they are NOT all for nurses and HCA's and this will still leave 2000 approx. workers with a pay cut. There are no *benefits* of working for a corrupt and bankrupt trust. A PAY CUT IS A PAY CUT no matter how much you want to dress it up. I urge anyone reading this comment to join the GMB and air your frustrations to them, I am a member and I have faith in them to help us stop this from happening. telefantastic

11:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

Farouche wrote:
Good news! They get paid too much as it is...
Hmmm, controversial...
[quote][p][bold]Farouche[/bold] wrote: Good news! They get paid too much as it is...[/p][/quote]Hmmm, controversial... PorkBoat

12:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

beano mcbean says...

Fantastic idea. Senior management deserve a pay rise for this. Here's another: Do patients notice if nurses don't turn up to work? Do patients notice the the chief executive doesn't turn up to work? Dismiss management, starting at the top and stop when any patients notice a downturn in service.. How far down would you have to go?
Fantastic idea. Senior management deserve a pay rise for this. Here's another: Do patients notice if nurses don't turn up to work? Do patients notice the the chief executive doesn't turn up to work? Dismiss management, starting at the top and stop when any patients notice a downturn in service.. How far down would you have to go? beano mcbean

12:40pm Thu 5 Dec 13

brightoner82 says...

If RSCH are trying to save money and to keep in budget...WHY save money on band 2 3 and 4 jobs who are on the LOWEST WAGES and why not save money and cut down on band 6&7 wages? its an absolute joke......discusting
!
If RSCH are trying to save money and to keep in budget...WHY save money on band 2 3 and 4 jobs who are on the LOWEST WAGES and why not save money and cut down on band 6&7 wages? its an absolute joke......discusting ! brightoner82

6:39pm Thu 5 Dec 13

KarenT says...

Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are.
Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are. KarenT

7:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Farouche says...

KarenT wrote:
Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are.
Borin'
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are.[/p][/quote]Borin' Farouche

8:17pm Thu 5 Dec 13

DrJetty says...

Nice one Farouche, after reading your first post, your second one confirmed what I and many thought......You are a bitter and slightly twisted person who is unable to debate in an educated manner, a person who encourages conflict with one word quotes from the safety of home computer. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, you can't possibly like the person you see.


Bad show by the BSUH board, the push towards private healthcare in the UK steams on. Another point remember NHS staff have had a pay freeze for the last 3 years, in real terms that is a pay cut with inflation over that period about 10%, the 1% pay increase this year was eaten up by the rise in pension contributions. If it wasn't for the fact health sector workers work affect peoples lives so they become emotionally attached, many would have left years ago......
Nice one Farouche, after reading your first post, your second one confirmed what I and many thought......You are a bitter and slightly twisted person who is unable to debate in an educated manner, a person who encourages conflict with one word quotes from the safety of home computer. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, you can't possibly like the person you see. Bad show by the BSUH board, the push towards private healthcare in the UK steams on. Another point remember NHS staff have had a pay freeze for the last 3 years, in real terms that is a pay cut with inflation over that period about 10%, the 1% pay increase this year was eaten up by the rise in pension contributions. If it wasn't for the fact health sector workers work affect peoples lives so they become emotionally attached, many would have left years ago...... DrJetty

8:31pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Farouche says...

DrJetty wrote:
Nice one Farouche, after reading your first post, your second one confirmed what I and many thought......You are a bitter and slightly twisted person who is unable to debate in an educated manner, a person who encourages conflict with one word quotes from the safety of home computer. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, you can't possibly like the person you see.


Bad show by the BSUH board, the push towards private healthcare in the UK steams on. Another point remember NHS staff have had a pay freeze for the last 3 years, in real terms that is a pay cut with inflation over that period about 10%, the 1% pay increase this year was eaten up by the rise in pension contributions. If it wasn't for the fact health sector workers work affect peoples lives so they become emotionally attached, many would have left years ago......
Borin'

Incidentally, an ellipsis consists of 3 dots, not the six or seven you have inflicted on us. (Ironic in view of your assertion that I must be uneducated!)

Good luck with fighting the pay cuts though, LOL!
[quote][p][bold]DrJetty[/bold] wrote: Nice one Farouche, after reading your first post, your second one confirmed what I and many thought......You are a bitter and slightly twisted person who is unable to debate in an educated manner, a person who encourages conflict with one word quotes from the safety of home computer. Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, you can't possibly like the person you see. Bad show by the BSUH board, the push towards private healthcare in the UK steams on. Another point remember NHS staff have had a pay freeze for the last 3 years, in real terms that is a pay cut with inflation over that period about 10%, the 1% pay increase this year was eaten up by the rise in pension contributions. If it wasn't for the fact health sector workers work affect peoples lives so they become emotionally attached, many would have left years ago......[/p][/quote]Borin' Incidentally, an ellipsis consists of 3 dots, not the six or seven you have inflicted on us. (Ironic in view of your assertion that I must be uneducated!) Good luck with fighting the pay cuts though, LOL! Farouche

10:27pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The New Commentator says...

Farouche wrote:
KarenT wrote:
Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are.
Borin'
A key reason for the change as it was explained to us was that a Band 2 working on the bank earned more than a substantive Band 5 at the bottom of the scale. Is that really fair? A newly qualified nurse who has graduated from university and probably taken on huge debt should not be paid less than an HCA (as important as an HCA is to the nursing team).

The positions being filled by people who were not born here is just vile and naïve. I'm pretty sure RSCH do not pay an overseas qualified nurse lower than a Band 5 simply because they are foreign.

You say there will be a shortfall in nurses, but then say there are people willing to pay for less. This is contradictory.
[quote][p][bold]Farouche[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: Supply and demand at work here. Nurses are not valued, people who study to become a nurse are not valued. Too many positions are filled by people who were not born here and are prepared to work for less money. You can't fight it. If people are prepared to work for little compensation, they will get little compensation. That is as much a fact as it's a fact that if you eat too much you will become obese. Science. Financial science in this case. Stop becoming nurses - do something else. Then the government will HAVE to increase pay to contend with the shortfall of nurses. Just the way things are.[/p][/quote]Borin'[/p][/quote]A key reason for the change as it was explained to us was that a Band 2 working on the bank earned more than a substantive Band 5 at the bottom of the scale. Is that really fair? A newly qualified nurse who has graduated from university and probably taken on huge debt should not be paid less than an HCA (as important as an HCA is to the nursing team). The positions being filled by people who were not born here is just vile and naïve. I'm pretty sure RSCH do not pay an overseas qualified nurse lower than a Band 5 simply because they are foreign. You say there will be a shortfall in nurses, but then say there are people willing to pay for less. This is contradictory. The New Commentator

10:39pm Thu 5 Dec 13

ghost bus driver says...

Prob123 wrote:
Eddddd27 wrote:
Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH.
I'm so disgusted with this, I already work full time at the Trust and I rely on my bank for extra money otherwise I simply cannot afford to live here. This town is expensive. I do overtime regularly on my ward but without the overtime rate - we get bank rate which is much less and then to get this cut as well just takes the biscuit. I've lost moral in the NHS and now my own Trust that I work very hard for. I have made the decision to leave not only BSUH but the UK. I will take my nursing skills where better valued. There are greater opportunities abroad where I know my nursing colleagues have gone to work and they tell me they are much better off and better appreciated then they ever got from here. Pay us what we deserve. Fewer people are going to be willing to work overtime jeopardising patient safety. Cutting pay is not the way forward.
Sorry it came to this. I have every respect for the nurses and clinical staff in our hospitals. Just watch the chief executive take a big bonus this year too. Maybe you should try Australia or America, both places where they are crying out for people. You'll get in easily.
[quote][p][bold]Prob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eddddd27[/bold] wrote: Nice timing - happy Christmas from BSUH.[/p][/quote]I'm so disgusted with this, I already work full time at the Trust and I rely on my bank for extra money otherwise I simply cannot afford to live here. This town is expensive. I do overtime regularly on my ward but without the overtime rate - we get bank rate which is much less and then to get this cut as well just takes the biscuit. I've lost moral in the NHS and now my own Trust that I work very hard for. I have made the decision to leave not only BSUH but the UK. I will take my nursing skills where better valued. There are greater opportunities abroad where I know my nursing colleagues have gone to work and they tell me they are much better off and better appreciated then they ever got from here. Pay us what we deserve. Fewer people are going to be willing to work overtime jeopardising patient safety. Cutting pay is not the way forward.[/p][/quote]Sorry it came to this. I have every respect for the nurses and clinical staff in our hospitals. Just watch the chief executive take a big bonus this year too. Maybe you should try Australia or America, both places where they are crying out for people. You'll get in easily. ghost bus driver

10:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

The New Commentator says...

ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?
The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free.

Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead?
[quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?[/p][/quote]The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free. Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead? The New Commentator

8:43am Fri 6 Dec 13

Prob123 says...

The New Commentator wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?
The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free.

Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead?
Who's the fool here? Us bank staff fighting for what we have worked hard for over the years or yourself working an extra 10 hours free every week? (I know this happens a lot in this Trust). Barking mad. Your putty in their hands and it doesn't help the situation. "You should try managing your work load better". Quote I've personally had when I've not had time to complete paperwork and tick all the boxes as I spent too much time giving patient care instead. In fear of being reprimanded and disappointment from staff I have handed my patients over to, I myself have stayed back an hour at the end of a 12.5 hour shift for free form filling and pulling my hair out!! Disgusting. I know its not just this Trust its the NHS. This instance its BSUH management cutting our pay directly and with increasing cost of living, increasing pension payments, increased NMC costs for the privilege of doing a job that I do actually love, not to mention that Brighton is a damned expensive place to live outside of London this feels like a very personal attack to me. Our very costly and highly paid ex-clinical/medical 'top management' should know better and have our backs.
[quote][p][bold]The New Commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?[/p][/quote]The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free. Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead?[/p][/quote]Who's the fool here? Us bank staff fighting for what we have worked hard for over the years or yourself working an extra 10 hours free every week? (I know this happens a lot in this Trust). Barking mad. Your putty in their hands and it doesn't help the situation. "You should try managing your work load better". Quote I've personally had when I've not had time to complete paperwork and tick all the boxes as I spent too much time giving patient care instead. In fear of being reprimanded and disappointment from staff I have handed my patients over to, I myself have stayed back an hour at the end of a 12.5 hour shift for free form filling and pulling my hair out!! Disgusting. I know its not just this Trust its the NHS. This instance its BSUH management cutting our pay directly and with increasing cost of living, increasing pension payments, increased NMC costs for the privilege of doing a job that I do actually love, not to mention that Brighton is a damned expensive place to live outside of London this feels like a very personal attack to me. Our very costly and highly paid ex-clinical/medical 'top management' should know better and have our backs. Prob123

2:14pm Fri 6 Dec 13

telefantastic says...

The New Commentator wrote:
ICantThinkOfAName wrote:
How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?
The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free.

Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead?
May I ask who you *think* the pen pushers are? Let's stick to facts rather than use loose terms and let's not have any oversight on this. The trust would love for it's low paid workers to bicker at eachother and go against eachother - divided we fall.

The real problem here is that the lowest paid worker in the hospital earns £14,268 whereas those working on 9.1 pay earn £98,000. This is where the real inequality lies. Rich vs. poor. Our CEO earns more than the Prime Minister.

The real problem here is that the trust is vying for foundation status, it is slashing those who are vulnerable so it can prove that is able to make cuts so that they are given foundation status. Foundation status in a bankrupt hospital = mid-staffordshire scandal. Foundation status =
privitisation of NHS facilities. Foundation status = trust given more 'autonomy' to deal with its budgets and staff contracts.

This pay cut is the start of a much wider problem and we are the most important people in the healthcare industry - without us it doesn't run and you shouldn't be letting yourself be treated the way you do.
[quote][p][bold]The New Commentator[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ICantThinkOfAName[/bold] wrote: How much pay reduction is there for all the pen pushers especially the top management?[/p][/quote]The 'pen pushers' don't get paid overtime or have the opportunity to work on the bank. Nor do we have the opportunity to get enhanced rates of pay by working in the evening or the weekend. When we work over our 37.5 hours it is unpaid. I regularly work over 10 hours per week (and then some at the weekend). I do this for free. Just out of interest, who do you think the 'top management' are? Most of them are clinical staff who once were nurses, junior doctors, etc. Who would you have running a hospital instead?[/p][/quote]May I ask who you *think* the pen pushers are? Let's stick to facts rather than use loose terms and let's not have any oversight on this. The trust would love for it's low paid workers to bicker at eachother and go against eachother - divided we fall. The real problem here is that the lowest paid worker in the hospital earns £14,268 whereas those working on 9.1 pay earn £98,000. This is where the real inequality lies. Rich vs. poor. Our CEO earns more than the Prime Minister. The real problem here is that the trust is vying for foundation status, it is slashing those who are vulnerable so it can prove that is able to make cuts so that they are given foundation status. Foundation status in a bankrupt hospital = mid-staffordshire scandal. Foundation status = privitisation of NHS facilities. Foundation status = trust given more 'autonomy' to deal with its budgets and staff contracts. This pay cut is the start of a much wider problem and we are the most important people in the healthcare industry - without us it doesn't run and you shouldn't be letting yourself be treated the way you do. telefantastic

6:23pm Sun 8 Dec 13

The HCA says...

. Bsuh should remember panorama came years ago.........One thing will happen cause patient care will happen again. If we have more agency nurses this could happen again!!!!!!!!
. Bsuh should remember panorama came years ago.........One thing will happen cause patient care will happen again. If we have more agency nurses this could happen again!!!!!!!! The HCA

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