Boxing clever on Brighton's homeless crisis

The Argus: Home from home: the new container town at Richardson's Yard in Brighton Home from home: the new container town at Richardson's Yard in Brighton

A shipping containers may not be everyone’s dream of an ideal home.

But to the 36 men and women who will move into converted stell boxes in Brighton this weekend, they are a sanctuary.

Sipping a cup of tea in a clean, well decorated and furnished unit, Richard, 38, told me how living in the container will give him a new lease of life.

After years of sleeping rough or living in supported accommodation, he believes this move will finally enable him to stand on his own two feet.

He said: “I was so excited when I heard I had been accepted for one of the units. I’ve been up since 4 o’clock this morning getting ready to move in.

“I spent two years in hostels. I was suffering for a long time from mental and physical health issues. I became homeless because I would destroy property when I was upset.

“When I got admitted to hostel in Brighton, I was living with people with a history of alcoholism and substance abuse.

“I saw a lot of antisocial behaviour – people losing it completely, strangers walking around naked, all sorts.

“This container gives me freedom. There is no-one looking over my shoulder all the time. I am now doing voluntary work and I plan to live here for two years. I can take responsibility for myself.”

The container town, in Richardson’s Yard off New England Road, is the brainchild of Ross Gilbert, boss at Brighton-based developer QED Estates, and is the largest of its kind in the country.

Mr Gilbert saw the idea in action in Europe and knew it could provide a solution to Brighton’s acute homeless and housing problem.

He took the idea to Andy Winter at Brighton Housing Trust. Mr Winter knew of the firm’s track record of regeneration in the New England Quarter but was initially sceptical.

Mr Gilbert said: “When you propose housing homeless people in containers, the reaction is usually one of surprise.

“But when I explained that we owned Richardson’s Yard and had temporary use of land earmarked for future regeneration, we were able to demonstrate what can be done in the short term to help solve the housing shortage.”

The containers are commonly used as homes in Amsterdam, where they form student flats, accommodation for the Salvation Army and a hotel.

The Brighton containers were originally converted for a social housing project in Holland in 2010, but the order to TempoHousing was cancelled due to funding problems.

QED Estates and the Brighton Housing Trust have spent £1 million on the scheme.

Mr Winter said the container town will free up space in supported accommodation which will in turn take people off the street. He said: “We put all tenants through a vetting process. We cannot afford to get this wrong. We will take people who come with a good track record of being tenants in supported housing programmes, usually our own.

“The first tenants are people we have known about for at least a year. Sixty people applied and we whittled that down to 36. It will be fully populated by Monday.

“The units cost £150 a week and all the tenants claim housing benefit. There is also a £12-a-week service charge.

“There is an acute shortage of affordable accommodation in Brighton and Hove. The number of street homeless people in the city increased from 37 in November 2011 to 43 in November 2012.

“However there is a wide consensus that the actual figure now is more likely to be close to 100.

“This development will give people an address and a stable base from which they can go to college, get training and voluntary work which will help them to get a job.

“All this put together will help people leave homelessness behind them forever.”

Looking around the container-come-home, Richard reflected on the distance he has already travelled from his former homeless lifestyle. It was a short journey across the city, but huge in its implications.

He said: “Homeless people have a thing they say to each other when they finally get off the street – ‘your time has come’. Now my time has come.”

 

The Argus:

 

My night in a shipping container
By John Keenan

When you tell people you plan to spend the night in a shipping container, it raises an eyebrow.
Tell them that the container is on the site of a former scrapheap and both eyebrows head northward.
Add the fact that your neighbours are all people who have at some time slept rough on the street and your audience will enquire politely about your state of mind.
But that is what I did this week, when I was the first person to occupy Flat 16 at Richardson's Yard in Brighton.
I wish, as a journalist, I could report that it made Breaking Bad look like The Archers.
Not a bit of it. It made Sleepy Hollow look like the City of Sin. The sound-proofed walls kept out the noise from the nearby railway, the fire station and the bustle of Preston Circus and, despite the sub-zero temperatures outside, the room remained warm and restful.
The facilities would not look out of place in a well-run budget chain hotel.
There’s a good reason for this. My 40 ft by 8 ft by 8 ft home was prebuilt to the same template as the rooms you might find in an Ibis. Far from palatial but not exactly Skid Row either.
My TV was an added luxury that full-time tenants will not enjoy. As in the rented sector as a whole, if they want a TV they will have to buy one – and pay for the licence.
The bed was comfortable and the kitchen furniture looked like it came straight out of a Homebase catalogue – because it did.
Graham Heald, retail and distribution director for Homebase, explained why the chain has spent £25,000 supporting the Brighton Housing Trust project.
He said: “We are delighted to be supporting this creative initiative, which is supporting the local community with short-term, affordable accommodation. Although this isn't a long term solution for homelessness, we believe that everyone deserves to live in a home they love, and so we're providing starter packs to each tenant which enables them to do just that.
“By providing furniture, tenants will have a ready-made home waiting for them to move into, that will provide a comfortable and stable environment in their day-to-day lives.”

 

 

The Argus:

 

From scrap yard to sanctuary

 

The former scrap yard that is now home to 36 people will feature:

Green Roof
The two blocks and the cycle store have green or organic roofs. Each one is planted with a wild flower meadow mix. They will flower in the spring to provide insulation and habitat to help improve biodiversity.
Trees
The asphalt will be replaced by of trees dotted around site. A number of these are fruit trees or shrubs which will sprout produce during the summer and autumn months. They will provide oxygen, food and shade as well as improving air quality by removing dust particles from the air.

Solar Panels
One block at the site has a 10 kWp (40 panels) solar photovoltaic array. It provides electricity for the whole of the site. If any of the electricity is not used it will be exported into the national grid.
Food Growing
There will be a number of raised beds and areas for food growing around the site, supported by The Brighton Housing Trust’s Grow initiative. There are plans to organise gardening sessions in the spring. Tenants will be encouraged to have hanging baskets or plant boxes.

 

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11:38am Sun 8 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

I'm not joking when I say these units are cleaner and better kept than some student properties I've been in.
Students will be asking for these next instead of the damp slums they end up in.
I'm not joking when I say these units are cleaner and better kept than some student properties I've been in. Students will be asking for these next instead of the damp slums they end up in. Maxwell's Ghost

11:38am Sun 8 Dec 13

Angryoldman says...

£162.00 a week housing benefit to live in a tin can! The mind boggles.
£162.00 a week housing benefit to live in a tin can! The mind boggles. Angryoldman

11:42am Sun 8 Dec 13

Maxwell's Ghost says...

You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc
You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc Maxwell's Ghost

11:57am Sun 8 Dec 13

Mr.Logical1 says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc
you must live far away then, a 2 bed flat is the best you'll get for £700 or less.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc[/p][/quote]you must live far away then, a 2 bed flat is the best you'll get for £700 or less. Mr.Logical1

12:57pm Sun 8 Dec 13

just-a-person says...

Mr.Logical1 wrote:
Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc
you must live far away then, a 2 bed flat is the best you'll get for £700 or less.
If you live in social housing then it is expensive which is probably what Maxwell's Ghost is referring too.
I think it is a fantastic idea and I wish the occupants the very best of luck.
[quote][p][bold]Mr.Logical1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: You can rent a three bedroom house in my street for the money these cost a week, unless that figure includes water, electric, heating, council tax etc[/p][/quote]you must live far away then, a 2 bed flat is the best you'll get for £700 or less.[/p][/quote]If you live in social housing then it is expensive which is probably what Maxwell's Ghost is referring too. I think it is a fantastic idea and I wish the occupants the very best of luck. just-a-person

1:48pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Levent says...

£150 per week???? Wy so expensive? It's a metal box!!
£150 per week???? Wy so expensive? It's a metal box!! Levent

1:59pm Sun 8 Dec 13

brightonlocalresident says...

I just hope the area is well policed. I know some of these people are down on their luck but in my experience many of Brightons homeless are violent alcoholic, drug addicts & I have personally witnessed the huge problems they cause in central Brighton (vandalism, threatening behaviour arson etc.). As this project is in an area with many families & young children I just hope they are well protected.
I just hope the area is well policed. I know some of these people are down on their luck but in my experience many of Brightons homeless are violent alcoholic, drug addicts & I have personally witnessed the huge problems they cause in central Brighton (vandalism, threatening behaviour arson etc.). As this project is in an area with many families & young children I just hope they are well protected. brightonlocalresident

3:37pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

This is just ridiculous.

We should be building prisons and not allowing these sorts to ruin our once great city
This is just ridiculous. We should be building prisons and not allowing these sorts to ruin our once great city Somethingsarejustwrong

3:41pm Sun 8 Dec 13

fredaj says...

brightonlocalresiden
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I just hope the area is well policed. I know some of these people are down on their luck but in my experience many of Brightons homeless are violent alcoholic, drug addicts & I have personally witnessed the huge problems they cause in central Brighton (vandalism, threatening behaviour arson etc.). As this project is in an area with many families & young children I just hope they are well protected.
So you have no objection to drug addicts and violent alcoholics living among elderly people or single people just as long as they are kept away from "families" and from small children.

What interest exactly do you think a drug addict is going to have in a year old child or a couple in their 30s that they are not going to have (if any) in an 80 year old lady or a 40 year old man living alone?

In fact I would be more concerned about those alone if I was going to be worried about any one at all - which I am not.
[quote][p][bold]brightonlocalresiden t[/bold] wrote: I just hope the area is well policed. I know some of these people are down on their luck but in my experience many of Brightons homeless are violent alcoholic, drug addicts & I have personally witnessed the huge problems they cause in central Brighton (vandalism, threatening behaviour arson etc.). As this project is in an area with many families & young children I just hope they are well protected.[/p][/quote]So you have no objection to drug addicts and violent alcoholics living among elderly people or single people just as long as they are kept away from "families" and from small children. What interest exactly do you think a drug addict is going to have in a year old child or a couple in their 30s that they are not going to have (if any) in an 80 year old lady or a 40 year old man living alone? In fact I would be more concerned about those alone if I was going to be worried about any one at all - which I am not. fredaj

4:29pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Good luck and may this lead to bigger and better things for you all.
Good luck and may this lead to bigger and better things for you all. mimseycal

5:12pm Sun 8 Dec 13

NickBtn says...

Angryoldman wrote:
£162.00 a week housing benefit to live in a tin can! The mind boggles.
That works out as over £300k per year if all the units are rented out. Not bad income for a £1m investment.... Sure that there are higher costs than other housing but a 30% gross return is very high
[quote][p][bold]Angryoldman[/bold] wrote: £162.00 a week housing benefit to live in a tin can! The mind boggles.[/p][/quote]That works out as over £300k per year if all the units are rented out. Not bad income for a £1m investment.... Sure that there are higher costs than other housing but a 30% gross return is very high NickBtn

5:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

KarenT says...

I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.
I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time. KarenT

5:49pm Sun 8 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem. HJarrs

5:50pm Sun 8 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

I was chatting with HJ earlier and we are of the same opinion that we cant allow all the wretched street drinking beggars to simply move in without back-filling them
I was chatting with HJ earlier and we are of the same opinion that we cant allow all the wretched street drinking beggars to simply move in without back-filling them I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

5:56pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Fight_Back says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months. Fight_Back

6:13pm Sun 8 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.
Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure.

Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes
[quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.[/p][/quote]Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure. Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

6:16pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Compassion and human kindness just drips from some of these comments.
Compassion and human kindness just drips from some of these comments. mimseycal

6:28pm Sun 8 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

mimseycal wrote:
Compassion and human kindness just drips from some of these comments.
Hj

Perfect reminder to drop another semi -compassionate comment in. We have almost got them duped.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Compassion and human kindness just drips from some of these comments.[/p][/quote]Hj Perfect reminder to drop another semi -compassionate comment in. We have almost got them duped. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

7:39pm Sun 8 Dec 13

IShouldoftriedharder says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.
Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure.

Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes
You have been doing these unoriginal troll posts for a while now. Any ideas when you might get bored of it and stop?
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.[/p][/quote]Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure. Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes[/p][/quote]You have been doing these unoriginal troll posts for a while now. Any ideas when you might get bored of it and stop? IShouldoftriedharder

8:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

jackthekipper says...

what a great step backwards for our city,container town coming to wasteland near you.ffs we have the labour and knowhow to do better than this,green timber houses for all ,lets build,build,build and not just for the ex druggies,hills behind bevendean and moulscoombe crying out for a new estate of affordable counvil homes loke woodingdean.why do we have to have **** old containers.its an eyesore in an already eyesore of an area.
fekin dreadful state of affairs my hometown has become
what a great step backwards for our city,container town coming to wasteland near you.ffs we have the labour and knowhow to do better than this,green timber houses for all ,lets build,build,build and not just for the ex druggies,hills behind bevendean and moulscoombe crying out for a new estate of affordable counvil homes loke woodingdean.why do we have to have **** old containers.its an eyesore in an already eyesore of an area. fekin dreadful state of affairs my hometown has become jackthekipper

9:11pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Nikski says...

jackthekipper wrote:
what a great step backwards for our city,container town coming to wasteland near you.ffs we have the labour and knowhow to do better than this,green timber houses for all ,lets build,build,build and not just for the ex druggies,hills behind bevendean and moulscoombe crying out for a new estate of affordable counvil homes loke woodingdean.why do we have to have **** old containers.its an eyesore in an already eyesore of an area.
fekin dreadful state of affairs my hometown has become
You utter job knockey!
[quote][p][bold]jackthekipper[/bold] wrote: what a great step backwards for our city,container town coming to wasteland near you.ffs we have the labour and knowhow to do better than this,green timber houses for all ,lets build,build,build and not just for the ex druggies,hills behind bevendean and moulscoombe crying out for a new estate of affordable counvil homes loke woodingdean.why do we have to have **** old containers.its an eyesore in an already eyesore of an area. fekin dreadful state of affairs my hometown has become[/p][/quote]You utter job knockey! Nikski

9:56pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Eugenius says...

KarenT wrote:
I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.
Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track.
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.[/p][/quote]Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track. Eugenius

10:25pm Sun 8 Dec 13

PorkBoat says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
You want shanty towns rolled out all over the country? Utter madness. How about affordable homes instead of shipping containers?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]You want shanty towns rolled out all over the country? Utter madness. How about affordable homes instead of shipping containers? PorkBoat

10:31pm Sun 8 Dec 13

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mimseycal wrote:
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10:33pm Sun 8 Dec 13

whoee! says...

mimseycal wrote:
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10:47pm Sun 8 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

PorkBoat wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
You want shanty towns rolled out all over the country? Utter madness. How about affordable homes instead of shipping containers?
Affordable homes is of course the long term answer. But provided we do not lose track of what we are doing, these container villages are a good step on the ladder back to full social re-integration I think.

Long term homelessness cannot be resolved by simply providing housing. People lose a lot of skills when they have been homeless for a considerable length of time. I know that the Brighton Housing Trust has various programs that will empower homeless individual to reenter mainstream society. But for the best chance of success, it is something that needs to be tackled gradually.
[quote][p][bold]PorkBoat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]You want shanty towns rolled out all over the country? Utter madness. How about affordable homes instead of shipping containers?[/p][/quote]Affordable homes is of course the long term answer. But provided we do not lose track of what we are doing, these container villages are a good step on the ladder back to full social re-integration I think. Long term homelessness cannot be resolved by simply providing housing. People lose a lot of skills when they have been homeless for a considerable length of time. I know that the Brighton Housing Trust has various programs that will empower homeless individual to reenter mainstream society. But for the best chance of success, it is something that needs to be tackled gradually. mimseycal

11:45pm Sun 8 Dec 13

BEN WHEELER says...

£1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ?

What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! !
£1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ? What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! ! BEN WHEELER

7:03am Mon 9 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

IShouldoftriedharder wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
Fight_Back wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.
Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure.

Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes
You have been doing these unoriginal troll posts for a while now. Any ideas when you might get bored of it and stop?
HJ I cued you up for an HJarrs comment, not one of your alternate names. Still when you are posting with this and HJarrs and Eugenius and some more you can be forgiven.
[quote][p][bold]IShouldoftriedharder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fight_Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]For possibly the first time and probably the last, I actually agree with you. Money well spent. Anyone you objects to putting roofs over homeless peoples heads should try living on the street for 6 months.[/p][/quote]Clearly HJ and I make comments like this to create support for the greens and not because we actually believe in and want to support these people. To be frank they are a bl**dy nuisance and we will be well shot of them once we have further destroyed Brighton's infrastructure. Until then its cycle paths, cycle paths and bus lanes[/p][/quote]You have been doing these unoriginal troll posts for a while now. Any ideas when you might get bored of it and stop?[/p][/quote]HJ I cued you up for an HJarrs comment, not one of your alternate names. Still when you are posting with this and HJarrs and Eugenius and some more you can be forgiven. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

1:02pm Mon 9 Dec 13

FatherTed11 says...

Why only 36? Surely they could get 5 or 6 to a box?
Why only 36? Surely they could get 5 or 6 to a box? FatherTed11

2:42pm Mon 9 Dec 13

winkles9 says...

Eugenius wrote:
KarenT wrote: I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.
Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track.
why are people so judgemental. we are talking about human beings who need a helping hand, do you really begrudge them a fresh start. lets hope all you horrible people never need a council house or benefits or have an addiction problem. what ever happened to human kindness? it so sad reading all these cynical comments!
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.[/p][/quote]Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track.[/p][/quote]why are people so judgemental. we are talking about human beings who need a helping hand, do you really begrudge them a fresh start. lets hope all you horrible people never need a council house or benefits or have an addiction problem. what ever happened to human kindness? it so sad reading all these cynical comments! winkles9

7:21pm Mon 9 Dec 13

KarenT says...

winkles9 wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
KarenT wrote: I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.
Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track.
why are people so judgemental. we are talking about human beings who need a helping hand, do you really begrudge them a fresh start. lets hope all you horrible people never need a council house or benefits or have an addiction problem. what ever happened to human kindness? it so sad reading all these cynical comments!
Calm down! I actually said "I HOPE they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance...otherw
ise...", NOT: "I BET they won't put anything into maintenance...and it WILL be a druggy slum in no time..."

READ! READ! READ!
[quote][p][bold]winkles9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: I hope they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance and policing, etc, otherwise if it's left to its own devices it will be a druggy slum in no time.[/p][/quote]Don't be so cynical. Brighton Housing Trust selected the 36 tenants best able to make a go of it. Anyone can end up homeless and it's not a lifestyle of choice for most. BHT are supporting these people with a precious opportunity to get their lives back on track.[/p][/quote]why are people so judgemental. we are talking about human beings who need a helping hand, do you really begrudge them a fresh start. lets hope all you horrible people never need a council house or benefits or have an addiction problem. what ever happened to human kindness? it so sad reading all these cynical comments![/p][/quote]Calm down! I actually said "I HOPE they are going to put a reasonable amount into maintenance...otherw ise...", NOT: "I BET they won't put anything into maintenance...and it WILL be a druggy slum in no time..." READ! READ! READ! KarenT

7:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

KarenT says...

BEN WHEELER wrote:
£1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ?

What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! !
Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor!

Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"...
[quote][p][bold]BEN WHEELER[/bold] wrote: £1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ? What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! ![/p][/quote]Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor! Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"... KarenT

7:53pm Mon 9 Dec 13

KarenT says...

HJarrs wrote:
Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.
Oh it WON'T help in any real way! Just 36 people? C'mon! It's a PLASTER which just very temporarily stops the bleeding a tiny bit. The economy has to change! Immigration laws have to tighten up! People with no money have to stop breeding indiscriminately because there will ALWAYS be the safety net of BENEFITS. The **** has hit the fan and everyone is hoping for something that is only achievable through a major change in society, or time travel back to the 1980's/90's. Anyone that bought a flat before it all went pear-shaped will be sorted, property prices are expected to go up at an excessive rate between now and 2016, supply and demand - there's nothing you can do about that. This isn't meant to sound fatalistic, but rather realistic! Things HAVE to change big time in the next ten years, and just spouting on about rent-caps and the government somehow magically legislating for lowering house prices or building new council property is just stupid! How can that be afforded when the pressure to support the Benefits Culture is so great? If something doesn't change I reckon the streets will be filled with crime and discontent and I only thank god that I'll be gone before that happens! You heard it here first... All we need ISN'T "love"!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Well done to all involved for giving some of our most vulnerable a bit of stability. I hope that we can learn from this development. If it works well, more should be rolled out across the country to help the rapidly growing homeless problem.[/p][/quote]Oh it WON'T help in any real way! Just 36 people? C'mon! It's a PLASTER which just very temporarily stops the bleeding a tiny bit. The economy has to change! Immigration laws have to tighten up! People with no money have to stop breeding indiscriminately because there will ALWAYS be the safety net of BENEFITS. The **** has hit the fan and everyone is hoping for something that is only achievable through a major change in society, or time travel back to the 1980's/90's. Anyone that bought a flat before it all went pear-shaped will be sorted, property prices are expected to go up at an excessive rate between now and 2016, supply and demand - there's nothing you can do about that. This isn't meant to sound fatalistic, but rather realistic! Things HAVE to change big time in the next ten years, and just spouting on about rent-caps and the government somehow magically legislating for lowering house prices or building new council property is just stupid! How can that be afforded when the pressure to support the Benefits Culture is so great? If something doesn't change I reckon the streets will be filled with crime and discontent and I only thank god that I'll be gone before that happens! You heard it here first... All we need ISN'T "love"! KarenT

2:53pm Wed 11 Dec 13

BEN WHEELER says...

KarenT wrote:
BEN WHEELER wrote:
£1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ?

What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! !
Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor!

Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"...
I'm afraid it is you that has it wrong! If you check the land registry website the record house prices have pushed the number of homes sold each year to record lows? Also, high house prices and rents eat in to peoples disposable income, meaning less money to spend on the high street? According to you, high house prices are good for the economy? Right? Well if that's the case, why are we in the middle of the worst recession in recorded history? The UK is £1.4 trillion in debt and 90% of that is mortgage debt! In fact we owe more in debt then we earn! In fact the UK is already bankrupt! Finance for Dummies? They were you words not mine ? ? ? ? ?
[quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BEN WHEELER[/bold] wrote: £1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ? What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! ![/p][/quote]Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor! Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"...[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it is you that has it wrong! If you check the land registry website the record house prices have pushed the number of homes sold each year to record lows? Also, high house prices and rents eat in to peoples disposable income, meaning less money to spend on the high street? According to you, high house prices are good for the economy? Right? Well if that's the case, why are we in the middle of the worst recession in recorded history? The UK is £1.4 trillion in debt and 90% of that is mortgage debt! In fact we owe more in debt then we earn! In fact the UK is already bankrupt! Finance for Dummies? They were you words not mine ? ? ? ? ? BEN WHEELER

3:31pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

@ BEN WHEELER 2:53pm Wed 11 Dec 13

KarenT isn't necessarily wrong, she just has different priorities and they are not social ones.
@ BEN WHEELER 2:53pm Wed 11 Dec 13 KarenT isn't necessarily wrong, she just has different priorities and they are not social ones. mimseycal

10:38am Thu 12 Dec 13

KarenT says...

BEN WHEELER wrote:
KarenT wrote:
BEN WHEELER wrote:
£1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ?

What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! !
Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor!

Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"...
I'm afraid it is you that has it wrong! If you check the land registry website the record house prices have pushed the number of homes sold each year to record lows? Also, high house prices and rents eat in to peoples disposable income, meaning less money to spend on the high street? According to you, high house prices are good for the economy? Right? Well if that's the case, why are we in the middle of the worst recession in recorded history? The UK is £1.4 trillion in debt and 90% of that is mortgage debt! In fact we owe more in debt then we earn! In fact the UK is already bankrupt! Finance for Dummies? They were you words not mine ? ? ? ? ?
I never said "high house prices are good for the economy". Are you confusing me with someone else? Or for "me". My comments here are never personal or about my own circumstances. I basically write about how I see things going. My comments are not meant to be about my political stance or level of social conscience! Of course if some of you want to make these debates personal and misquote others so you feel some sort of personal achievement through that then go right ahead! Who am I to deny anyone that 'life-affirming' pleasure? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]BEN WHEELER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarenT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BEN WHEELER[/bold] wrote: £1.000.000 for 36 shipping containers? What the f*ck are they made off ? ? ? ? ? What's needed is for the government to stop using our money to bail out the banks reckless mortgage lending and just let the prices of proper homes fall to a level people can afford ! ! ! ! ![/p][/quote]Gee, are you a financial genius or what? You should be Chancellor! Property prices fall too much and homeowners will have negative equity, which means they WON'T be able to sell, which means there will be even FEWER properties on the market to buy, which means there will be even MORE bankruptcies, which means banks AND business (small and large) will have even more people not paying off their debts, which ultimately just worsens the economy for everyone! DOH!!! "Finance for Dummies"...[/p][/quote]I'm afraid it is you that has it wrong! If you check the land registry website the record house prices have pushed the number of homes sold each year to record lows? Also, high house prices and rents eat in to peoples disposable income, meaning less money to spend on the high street? According to you, high house prices are good for the economy? Right? Well if that's the case, why are we in the middle of the worst recession in recorded history? The UK is £1.4 trillion in debt and 90% of that is mortgage debt! In fact we owe more in debt then we earn! In fact the UK is already bankrupt! Finance for Dummies? They were you words not mine ? ? ? ? ?[/p][/quote]I never said "high house prices are good for the economy". Are you confusing me with someone else? Or for "me". My comments here are never personal or about my own circumstances. I basically write about how I see things going. My comments are not meant to be about my political stance or level of social conscience! Of course if some of you want to make these debates personal and misquote others so you feel some sort of personal achievement through that then go right ahead! Who am I to deny anyone that 'life-affirming' pleasure? ;-) KarenT

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