Woman subjected to "serious sexual assault" on beach

The Argus: Woman subjected to "serious sexual assault" on beach Woman subjected to "serious sexual assault" on beach

A woman was subjected to a serious sexual assault on the beach early this morning.

Police have cordoned off a small area of the beach west of the Palace Pier in the area to the south of Pool Valley.

Detective Inspector Lee Horner said: "I want to reassure the public that all allegations of this nature are taken extremely seriously and a large number of police officers are being used to gather all available evidence."

The victim is helping police piece together the events and is being supported by specialist officers.

Police are keen to speak to anyone who was in the area between the hours off 3am and 4am on Sunday who may have any information that may be useful to the enquiry.

Call police on 101.

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2:26pm Sun 8 Dec 13

angrymonkey says...

which part of the world is this man going to be from this time? not a safe place Brighton now nearly every week hear something like this.
which part of the world is this man going to be from this time? not a safe place Brighton now nearly every week hear something like this. angrymonkey

2:47pm Sun 8 Dec 13

medianscore says...

B&H has become a lawless place where crime is rampant, particularly in the centre. Time for the rooted community to vote out the LibLabCON who are wrecking the nation and our living space.

Support UKIP to save Britain.
B&H has become a lawless place where crime is rampant, particularly in the centre. Time for the rooted community to vote out the LibLabCON who are wrecking the nation and our living space. Support UKIP to save Britain. medianscore

3:50pm Sun 8 Dec 13

s&k says...

We need to reverse the trend in this city towards the place becoming a no go area for the wider community! The seafront/ centre need to be policed adequately with a zero tolerance to drunken and anti social behaviour!
We need to reverse the trend in this city towards the place becoming a no go area for the wider community! The seafront/ centre need to be policed adequately with a zero tolerance to drunken and anti social behaviour! s&k

6:31pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Brighton Living says...

What is happening to this town ???????
What is happening to this town ??????? Brighton Living

6:58pm Sun 8 Dec 13

twonk says...

A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle. twonk

7:04pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Ex-pat Arnie says...

twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!? Ex-pat Arnie

7:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

FatherTed11 says...

Nice picture of the pier which has no connection with the story. Not even west of the pier where the incident apparently took place.
Nice picture of the pier which has no connection with the story. Not even west of the pier where the incident apparently took place. FatherTed11

8:20pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Sir Prised says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Would you leave your front door uinlocked ? Knowing criminals/ rapists are about means it's sensible to take precautions, even if that's not a desirable state of affairs.
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Would you leave your front door uinlocked ? Knowing criminals/ rapists are about means it's sensible to take precautions, even if that's not a desirable state of affairs. Sir Prised

11:17pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Mike_the_car_driver says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk! Mike_the_car_driver

11:17pm Sun 8 Dec 13

Mike_the_car_driver says...

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. Mike_the_car_driver

12:18am Mon 9 Dec 13

getout says...

Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does. getout

12:34am Mon 9 Dec 13

Mike_the_car_driver says...

getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim!
[quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.[/p][/quote]Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim! Mike_the_car_driver

10:46am Mon 9 Dec 13

turquoise says...

* BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape,*


there really isn't. Someone is no more likely to falsley accuse someone of rape than any other crime.

I see the rape apologists are out in force on here, putting the responsibility on women to prevent thier own rape rather than on the rapists to stop raping.
* BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape,* there really isn't. Someone is no more likely to falsley accuse someone of rape than any other crime. I see the rape apologists are out in force on here, putting the responsibility on women to prevent thier own rape rather than on the rapists to stop raping. turquoise

12:40pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Skidrow says...

Sigh...
OK lets have a competition over 2 months. First month we say to the rapists, stop raping. Then we can count up how many take any notice.

Then, in the second month, we can say to all the girls take some responsibility for your own safety and get a licensed cab home. then we can see which month has less rapes occurring.

It really is pointless to say it is a womans right to wander about at whatever time she wants in whatever state she wants because it is dangerous to do so drunk/alone in the early hours. This is real life, not la la land.
Sigh... OK lets have a competition over 2 months. First month we say to the rapists, stop raping. Then we can count up how many take any notice. Then, in the second month, we can say to all the girls take some responsibility for your own safety and get a licensed cab home. then we can see which month has less rapes occurring. It really is pointless to say it is a womans right to wander about at whatever time she wants in whatever state she wants because it is dangerous to do so drunk/alone in the early hours. This is real life, not la la land. Skidrow

5:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Baldseagull says...

getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
You should also be able to leave your front door unlocked, your valuables on display in your car and your bike unchained at the railway station, but you are leaving yourself vulnerable.
No one is condoning the scum that take advantage, but it is wise to restrict their opportunity, they are out there.
[quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.[/p][/quote]You should also be able to leave your front door unlocked, your valuables on display in your car and your bike unchained at the railway station, but you are leaving yourself vulnerable. No one is condoning the scum that take advantage, but it is wise to restrict their opportunity, they are out there. Baldseagull

12:44am Tue 10 Dec 13

getout says...

Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim!
From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it.

"rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists.

" there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.[/p][/quote]Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim![/p][/quote]From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it. "rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists. " there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false. getout

2:00am Tue 10 Dec 13

Mike_the_car_driver says...

getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim!
From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it.

"rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists.

" there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false.
I wasn't blaming the victim. Just stating a fact, WOMEN CAN HELP STOP THIS BY TAKING A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE AND STOP MAKING THEM SELVES EASY TARGETS. It applies to more than just this, I wear a seat belt, not because I'm definitely going to crash, but just in case I do. I stop at level crossings when the light and alarms go off, not because a train will definitely hit be, but just in case it does. The queen always has guards around her, not because she will definitely be attacked, but just in case she is. Women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own **** out of their minds, not because they will definitely be raped, but just in case someone tries. I'm not blaming the women but as someone else said on here, let's do a "competition" one month tell rapists not to rape and the next tell women to be SAFER on nights out and we would see in the second month a lot less rapes than in the first! The way your going on saying women SHOULD walk the streets in the early hours too **** to remember their own names, it sounds like your a rapist wanting women to make them selves easy targets.
[quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.[/p][/quote]Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim![/p][/quote]From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it. "rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists. " there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false.[/p][/quote]I wasn't blaming the victim. Just stating a fact, WOMEN CAN HELP STOP THIS BY TAKING A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE AND STOP MAKING THEM SELVES EASY TARGETS. It applies to more than just this, I wear a seat belt, not because I'm definitely going to crash, but just in case I do. I stop at level crossings when the light and alarms go off, not because a train will definitely hit be, but just in case it does. The queen always has guards around her, not because she will definitely be attacked, but just in case she is. Women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own **** out of their minds, not because they will definitely be raped, but just in case someone tries. I'm not blaming the women but as someone else said on here, let's do a "competition" one month tell rapists not to rape and the next tell women to be SAFER on nights out and we would see in the second month a lot less rapes than in the first! The way your going on saying women SHOULD walk the streets in the early hours too **** to remember their own names, it sounds like your a rapist wanting women to make them selves easy targets. Mike_the_car_driver

1:23pm Tue 10 Dec 13

getout says...

Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
getout wrote:
Mike_the_car_driver wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
twonk wrote:
A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.
You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?
Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk!
Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.
Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim!
From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it.

"rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists.

" there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false.
I wasn't blaming the victim. Just stating a fact, WOMEN CAN HELP STOP THIS BY TAKING A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE AND STOP MAKING THEM SELVES EASY TARGETS. It applies to more than just this, I wear a seat belt, not because I'm definitely going to crash, but just in case I do. I stop at level crossings when the light and alarms go off, not because a train will definitely hit be, but just in case it does. The queen always has guards around her, not because she will definitely be attacked, but just in case she is. Women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own **** out of their minds, not because they will definitely be raped, but just in case someone tries. I'm not blaming the women but as someone else said on here, let's do a "competition" one month tell rapists not to rape and the next tell women to be SAFER on nights out and we would see in the second month a lot less rapes than in the first! The way your going on saying women SHOULD walk the streets in the early hours too **** to remember their own names, it sounds like your a rapist wanting women to make them selves easy targets.
Is this so hard to contemplate? In order for rape crimes to lessen, WE (not just you) as a SOCIETY, need to make that change. Rape is a result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women which i've already said. Rapists are a product of the values in society. Nobodies explicitly teaching their child to be a rapist, but the values people are taught is what causes rape. It's really not hard to comprehend. Crashing your car or stopping at a level crossing to stay is not the same as avoiding a rapist. If they're determined enough they're going to rape you whether you've been drinking or not. It's not a result of societies teachings. You don't need to change your lifestyle to stop at a level crossing.
I didn't say a rapists will stop raping. I said if society changes the what we teach, eventually there will be far less rape because you wont have been taught that women are sexual objects!! I didn't say it will happen overnight. But the sooner people get this into their head the sooner it will change.

Stop derailing. My point was that the focus should be on the viciousness of rapists as opposed to the drinking habits of women (It is victim blaming stop trying to dispute it). Then will we see far more rape/rapists actually being reported and in turn being prosecuted because our society won't see it as acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_the_car_driver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: A lot of assaults on women are in the early hours when they are walking home alone after drinking. I'm not saying this is what happened here but they should really rethink their lifestyle.[/p][/quote]You make it sound like it's the woman's fault?!?[/p][/quote]Maybe he just means that women can help this sort of thing stopping by making arrangements to get home safely by wither leaving some cash at home for a cab or getting a lift. I do feel for this woman, but do think maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk![/p][/quote]Or maybe rapists you should stop raping people? and people such as yourself should blaming it on the victim. Women shouldn't have to worry about making arrangements to get home safely or how much they drink. Why is it so difficult to understand? How about we start blaming the rapists for these crimes instead of condoning it the way current society does.[/p][/quote]Actually I think you'll find I wasn't blaming the women so get your facts straight! I said I feel for her! My point is rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people. Not blaming anyone, just saying women could help the situation by not making themselves an easy target, women should make arrangements to get home safely everyone should, you should go out with every penny you've got and not worry about getting home. I didn't say they shouldn't drink loads, just that they shouldn't walk the streets in the early hours of the morning drunk, it makes them an easy target. I do blame the rapist, people like that sicken me. No one condones rape, but what you have to remember is that yes there are a lot of **** up blokes out there raping people, BUT there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape, I have been in that situation and people say that being falsely accused is no where near as bad as actually being raped, but it is. It destroyed my life, I tried to kill myself, It didn't just affect me, i was still living at home at the time and my mum nearly lost her job as a childminder. In no way am I condoning what happened or blaming the victim![/p][/quote]From the initial comment you said "maybe women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own if they are drunk" that is victim blaming! You may not condone it, but you are blaming the victim. It wasn't targeting you specifically, I'm targeting anyone who really believes it. "rapists are **** up in the head and aren't going to stop raping people" rapists are the result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women. If society stopped treated women like sexual objects there would be far less sexual assaults and sexual harassment towards women and one of the first changes we, as a society can make is changing the belief that women are fault. As a society rape and sexual assaut is validated and justified by the way a women dresses, or she was drunk and 'consented' or "she was leading me on". The list goes on. The more people get this into their head the less people will think it's okay - aka rapists. " there are also a lot of **** up women falsely accusing people of rape" Of course it's unfortunate if someone is falsely accused of rape but it's really not that common. The majority of rapes are unreported and the of the ones that are very very few were found to be false.[/p][/quote]I wasn't blaming the victim. Just stating a fact, WOMEN CAN HELP STOP THIS BY TAKING A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE AND STOP MAKING THEM SELVES EASY TARGETS. It applies to more than just this, I wear a seat belt, not because I'm definitely going to crash, but just in case I do. I stop at level crossings when the light and alarms go off, not because a train will definitely hit be, but just in case it does. The queen always has guards around her, not because she will definitely be attacked, but just in case she is. Women should not walk the streets early hours of the morning on their own **** out of their minds, not because they will definitely be raped, but just in case someone tries. I'm not blaming the women but as someone else said on here, let's do a "competition" one month tell rapists not to rape and the next tell women to be SAFER on nights out and we would see in the second month a lot less rapes than in the first! The way your going on saying women SHOULD walk the streets in the early hours too **** to remember their own names, it sounds like your a rapist wanting women to make them selves easy targets.[/p][/quote]Is this so hard to contemplate? In order for rape crimes to lessen, WE (not just you) as a SOCIETY, need to make that change. Rape is a result of the hypersexualisation and objectification of women which i've already said. Rapists are a product of the values in society. Nobodies explicitly teaching their child to be a rapist, but the values people are taught is what causes rape. It's really not hard to comprehend. Crashing your car or stopping at a level crossing to stay is not the same as avoiding a rapist. If they're determined enough they're going to rape you whether you've been drinking or not. It's not a result of societies teachings. You don't need to change your lifestyle to stop at a level crossing. I didn't say a rapists will stop raping. I said if society changes the what we teach, eventually there will be far less rape because you wont have been taught that women are sexual objects!! I didn't say it will happen overnight. But the sooner people get this into their head the sooner it will change. Stop derailing. My point was that the focus should be on the viciousness of rapists as opposed to the drinking habits of women (It is victim blaming stop trying to dispute it). Then will we see far more rape/rapists actually being reported and in turn being prosecuted because our society won't see it as acceptable. getout

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