Bus concessions debate for £2.3m saving

Proposals to change concessionary bus passes and supported bus services will be discussed at an upcoming council cabinet meeting.

East Sussex County Council’s cabinet will consider proposals tomorrow to establish a Public Transport Services Commissioning Strategy, which will examine the future of supported bus travel in the county.

It is also being asked to consider additional changes to how bus services are provided by the council which needs to make a saving of £2.23 million from its transport budget over the next three years.

One of the changes being considered is to move the start time from which people can use their concessionary bus passes from 9am to 9.30am, bringing the county in line with the rest of the country.

Steve Thornett, publicity officer for the East Sussex Seniors Association, said: “From my personal perspective I think it’s a shame we are losing it but at the same time I think we have all got to realise it should only affect quite a small number of people who want to use it for that half hour.

“Of course we would like to see it remain but I think there are other things happening, many of which we would want to see con- tinue like the day care centres – these are bigger issues than the half hour for the bus pass.”

The cabinet will also look at removing the an old concession allowing concessionary pass holders in Lewes to travel for free on dial-a-ride services as well as holding a consultation on changing the eligibility criteria for companion passes which allow disabled people who need help travelling to be accompanied by another person travelling free of charge.

Increasing the charge to replace a lost concessionary pass from £5 to £10 will also be looked into.

The proposals come following a public consultation on bus services in the summer to which the council received 2,647 responses of which 65% were aged over 60.

Only 28% of bus pass holders said changing the start time to 9.30am would have a negative impact on them.

The council has already saved £227,000 from its transport budget – 40% of the £570,000 it needs to save in 2014-15 – by retendering supported bus services in Lewes and setting up a new joint contract with West Sussex County Council to administer the concessionary fare scheme.

The council expects its latest proposals to allow a further £243,000 to be saved.

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8:56am Mon 9 Dec 13

maria m says...

charge a flat £1 fee per ride.
charge a flat £1 fee per ride. maria m

11:10am Mon 9 Dec 13

billy goat-gruff says...

I'd love to see how this cost is calculated. Before I had a bus pas I'd buy a day saver. Now that I have a bus pass, is every journey I make counted as a single? I've never seen anyone turned away from a bus because it is full of pensioners. They have to run anyway, so how much fuel do buses use when full compared to when empty? The argument that rich people shouldn't get them is spurious too, they most likely wouldn't apply for one anyway.
I'd love to see how this cost is calculated. Before I had a bus pas I'd buy a day saver. Now that I have a bus pass, is every journey I make counted as a single? I've never seen anyone turned away from a bus because it is full of pensioners. They have to run anyway, so how much fuel do buses use when full compared to when empty? The argument that rich people shouldn't get them is spurious too, they most likely wouldn't apply for one anyway. billy goat-gruff

11:25am Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Baxter , London says...

Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere.

I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up
Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere. I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up Mr Baxter , London

11:46am Mon 9 Dec 13

ThinkBrighton says...

A 9.30 start sounds about right, if you work you can buy a ticket, if you don't,
travel after 9.30
A 9.30 start sounds about right, if you work you can buy a ticket, if you don't, travel after 9.30 ThinkBrighton

12:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

twosugars says...

billy goat-gruff wrote:
I'd love to see how this cost is calculated. Before I had a bus pas I'd buy a day saver. Now that I have a bus pass, is every journey I make counted as a single? I've never seen anyone turned away from a bus because it is full of pensioners. They have to run anyway, so how much fuel do buses use when full compared to when empty? The argument that rich people shouldn't get them is spurious too, they most likely wouldn't apply for one anyway.
The bus company gets about 90p from the county council for each oap journey reguardless of distance, just one stop or the full length of the route. Never seen passengers refused because the bus is full of oaps? Try getting on a 12/12a at the sea life center during evening rush hour!
[quote][p][bold]billy goat-gruff[/bold] wrote: I'd love to see how this cost is calculated. Before I had a bus pas I'd buy a day saver. Now that I have a bus pass, is every journey I make counted as a single? I've never seen anyone turned away from a bus because it is full of pensioners. They have to run anyway, so how much fuel do buses use when full compared to when empty? The argument that rich people shouldn't get them is spurious too, they most likely wouldn't apply for one anyway.[/p][/quote]The bus company gets about 90p from the county council for each oap journey reguardless of distance, just one stop or the full length of the route. Never seen passengers refused because the bus is full of oaps? Try getting on a 12/12a at the sea life center during evening rush hour! twosugars

12:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

cookie_brighton says...

Mr Baxter , London wrote:
Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere.

I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up
you will be old one day :)
[quote][p][bold]Mr Baxter , London[/bold] wrote: Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere. I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up[/p][/quote]you will be old one day :) cookie_brighton

12:19pm Mon 9 Dec 13

twosugars says...

As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex
As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex twosugars

12:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

her professional says...

twosugars wrote:
As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex
Plenty of oaps continue to pay their taxes, and most will have contributed to the coffers over their working lives.
[quote][p][bold]twosugars[/bold] wrote: As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex[/p][/quote]Plenty of oaps continue to pay their taxes, and most will have contributed to the coffers over their working lives. her professional

12:52pm Mon 9 Dec 13

twosugars says...

her professional wrote:
twosugars wrote:
As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex
Plenty of oaps continue to pay their taxes, and most will have contributed to the coffers over their working lives.
The way things are going we will all be working when we are ninety!
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twosugars[/bold] wrote: As for the argument that oaps should get free travel as "the buses run anyway" try going into tesco and demanding free food because you are old and "the food is there anyway" I say place an evening rush hour restriction on oap bus passes and let the workers/taxpayers get home after a hard days work, they are the ones paying for the oaps jollys about sussex[/p][/quote]Plenty of oaps continue to pay their taxes, and most will have contributed to the coffers over their working lives.[/p][/quote]The way things are going we will all be working when we are ninety! twosugars

1:02pm Mon 9 Dec 13

biker brighton says...

stop them at 2300 to like rest country some them on buss all night . why do old men need to travel on uni bus so much through the night ? young girls not wearing much ?
stop them at 2300 to like rest country some them on buss all night . why do old men need to travel on uni bus so much through the night ? young girls not wearing much ? biker brighton

1:26pm Mon 9 Dec 13

clarkebrighton says...

Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!!
So much Compassion from you.
Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life.
Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!! So much Compassion from you. Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life. clarkebrighton

1:46pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Baxter , London says...

clarkebrighton wrote:
Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!!
So much Compassion from you.
Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life.
You too me ol' cocker. I want to die young like pop star Robert Palmer,...not go on and on like a living corpse
[quote][p][bold]clarkebrighton[/bold] wrote: Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!! So much Compassion from you. Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life.[/p][/quote]You too me ol' cocker. I want to die young like pop star Robert Palmer,...not go on and on like a living corpse Mr Baxter , London

2:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

mimseycal says...

Nice isn't it. Yet our MPs have just got an 11% rise, Downing Street 10 and 11 have increased their budgets by 250% ... wonderful!
Nice isn't it. Yet our MPs have just got an 11% rise, Downing Street 10 and 11 have increased their budgets by 250% ... wonderful! mimseycal

4:03pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bluemonday says...

all the posts I have read have referred to o.a.p passes,they are not the problem,the cost is in the amount of "disabled" passes there are out there,i've had somebody get on my bus with a disabled pass at 8.30am,and when I've pointed out they can't use it they said they'll be late for work,i realise there are genuine cases out there but surely half the population of brighton can't all be disabled.
all the posts I have read have referred to o.a.p passes,they are not the problem,the cost is in the amount of "disabled" passes there are out there,i've had somebody get on my bus with a disabled pass at 8.30am,and when I've pointed out they can't use it they said they'll be late for work,i realise there are genuine cases out there but surely half the population of brighton can't all be disabled. bluemonday

4:24pm Mon 9 Dec 13

minnie&teddy says...

we oaps have paid all our dues whilst working so why are we always the people that come to light when the council needs to save money I wonder how they would react if it was them and how about all the wasters that don't work or wont work get them working for the council to earn their dole money leave us oaps alone who have always worked hard through our life.
we oaps have paid all our dues whilst working so why are we always the people that come to light when the council needs to save money I wonder how they would react if it was them and how about all the wasters that don't work or wont work get them working for the council to earn their dole money leave us oaps alone who have always worked hard through our life. minnie&teddy

4:57pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bluemonday says...

minnie&teddy wrote:
we oaps have paid all our dues whilst working so why are we always the people that come to light when the council needs to save money I wonder how they would react if it was them and how about all the wasters that don't work or wont work get them working for the council to earn their dole money leave us oaps alone who have always worked hard through our life.
if they cut the pensioners pass,have a protest through the streets of brighton,as somebody who has the upmost respect for our older generation that is one march I would join
[quote][p][bold]minnie&teddy[/bold] wrote: we oaps have paid all our dues whilst working so why are we always the people that come to light when the council needs to save money I wonder how they would react if it was them and how about all the wasters that don't work or wont work get them working for the council to earn their dole money leave us oaps alone who have always worked hard through our life.[/p][/quote]if they cut the pensioners pass,have a protest through the streets of brighton,as somebody who has the upmost respect for our older generation that is one march I would join bluemonday

5:45pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Hove Actually says...

My mother is a 85 year old pensioner who is well off by most standards..
She has a free bus pass and a free TV licence and a Winter fuel payment and a better tax code and even got a free boiler
Whilst she is fully entitled to all of this and I support her having all these as if she didn't it wouldn't make a jot of difference, there must be better ways of targeting this type of help.

Why should a 60 year old person still in work travel for free?
My mother is a 85 year old pensioner who is well off by most standards.. She has a free bus pass and a free TV licence and a Winter fuel payment and a better tax code and even got a free boiler Whilst she is fully entitled to all of this and I support her having all these as if she didn't it wouldn't make a jot of difference, there must be better ways of targeting this type of help. Why should a 60 year old person still in work travel for free? Hove Actually

8:34pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Baxter , London says...

Universal benefits are crazy, they all should be subject to means test:

Feee Bus pases - Only if on state pension only and valid Mon to Fri 10 to 5
Free TV Licences - Should be scrapped, pensioners coped for previous 50 years
Universal Child Benefit - Should be for first 2 kids Only and if you earn under £35K
Free Prescriptions - only if you earn under £35 K
Winter Fuel Payments - Over 65 and if on state pension only


The list goes on and on.
Universal benefits are crazy, they all should be subject to means test: Feee Bus pases - Only if on state pension only and valid Mon to Fri 10 to 5 Free TV Licences - Should be scrapped, pensioners coped for previous 50 years Universal Child Benefit - Should be for first 2 kids Only and if you earn under £35K Free Prescriptions - only if you earn under £35 K Winter Fuel Payments - Over 65 and if on state pension only The list goes on and on. Mr Baxter , London

12:01am Tue 10 Dec 13

kerryfrog says...

I agree that people accompanying those who are disabled or elderly should be given a pass even if it is for cheaper fares. The system is ridiculous I get just £60 pound more a week than someon. Who doesn't want to work yet I work "fulltime hours" sometimes more sometimes I have to go to my grandad at Stupid o'clock as he has no one else. can't get housed closer because his area is mainly student accommodation, I cannot afford to learn to drive let alone run a car so Bus it is for me if only it was cheaper?? I have tried approaching the bus company but they said no
I agree that people accompanying those who are disabled or elderly should be given a pass even if it is for cheaper fares. The system is ridiculous I get just £60 pound more a week than someon. Who doesn't want to work yet I work "fulltime hours" sometimes more sometimes I have to go to my grandad at Stupid o'clock as he has no one else. can't get housed closer because his area is mainly student accommodation, I cannot afford to learn to drive let alone run a car so Bus it is for me if only it was cheaper?? I have tried approaching the bus company but they said no kerryfrog

6:20am Tue 10 Dec 13

esh lad says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
Mr Baxter , London wrote:
Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere.

I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up
you will be old one day :)
Maybe they were staying on the bus all day to save heating in their homes!!!
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Baxter , London[/bold] wrote: Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere. I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up[/p][/quote]you will be old one day :)[/p][/quote]Maybe they were staying on the bus all day to save heating in their homes!!! esh lad

10:18am Tue 10 Dec 13

Patsyr says...

esh lad wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
Mr Baxter , London wrote:
Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere.

I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up
you will be old one day :)
Maybe they were staying on the bus all day to save heating in their homes!!!
I see that nobody else has mentioned that when these lucky old people get out and about they are staying healthier physically and mentally than sitting around at home.
They are also spending money at the end of their free bus journey thus helping to keep the economy ticking over.
What I do find really annoying is the parent who gets on the bus with a buggy the size of a tank , takes 2 seats with that , then sits on a third seat and doesn't flinch if an elderly or infirm person has to stand.
[quote][p][bold]esh lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Baxter , London[/bold] wrote: Charge half fare. The worst thing the (Labour) Government ever did was bring in free bus travel for OAP'S. I used work on the buses , and many old folk 'womble' out and sit on buses all day long just to pass the time, without actually going anywhere. I like it however when they dare to moan about the service, I allways say "tell you what, I will gove you your fare back"......allways shuts them up[/p][/quote]you will be old one day :)[/p][/quote]Maybe they were staying on the bus all day to save heating in their homes!!![/p][/quote]I see that nobody else has mentioned that when these lucky old people get out and about they are staying healthier physically and mentally than sitting around at home. They are also spending money at the end of their free bus journey thus helping to keep the economy ticking over. What I do find really annoying is the parent who gets on the bus with a buggy the size of a tank , takes 2 seats with that , then sits on a third seat and doesn't flinch if an elderly or infirm person has to stand. Patsyr

11:30am Tue 10 Dec 13

her professional says...

Mr Baxter , London wrote:
clarkebrighton wrote:
Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!!
So much Compassion from you.
Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life.
You too me ol' cocker. I want to die young like pop star Robert Palmer,...not go on and on like a living corpse
Bye
[quote][p][bold]Mr Baxter , London[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]clarkebrighton[/bold] wrote: Re: Mr Baxter above, what a Nice Piece of work you are !!! So much Compassion from you. Lets hope you get what you deserve in Life.[/p][/quote]You too me ol' cocker. I want to die young like pop star Robert Palmer,...not go on and on like a living corpse[/p][/quote]Bye her professional

11:33am Tue 10 Dec 13

her professional says...

Mr Baxter , London wrote:
Universal benefits are crazy, they all should be subject to means test:

Feee Bus pases - Only if on state pension only and valid Mon to Fri 10 to 5
Free TV Licences - Should be scrapped, pensioners coped for previous 50 years
Universal Child Benefit - Should be for first 2 kids Only and if you earn under £35K
Free Prescriptions - only if you earn under £35 K
Winter Fuel Payments - Over 65 and if on state pension only


The list goes on and on.
So do you, we got the message several posts ago
[quote][p][bold]Mr Baxter , London[/bold] wrote: Universal benefits are crazy, they all should be subject to means test: Feee Bus pases - Only if on state pension only and valid Mon to Fri 10 to 5 Free TV Licences - Should be scrapped, pensioners coped for previous 50 years Universal Child Benefit - Should be for first 2 kids Only and if you earn under £35K Free Prescriptions - only if you earn under £35 K Winter Fuel Payments - Over 65 and if on state pension only The list goes on and on.[/p][/quote]So do you, we got the message several posts ago her professional

5:29pm Tue 10 Dec 13

simps46 says...

Hove Actually wrote:
My mother is a 85 year old pensioner who is well off by most standards..
She has a free bus pass and a free TV licence and a Winter fuel payment and a better tax code and even got a free boiler
Whilst she is fully entitled to all of this and I support her having all these as if she didn't it wouldn't make a jot of difference, there must be better ways of targeting this type of help.

Why should a 60 year old person still in work travel for free?
keep up nobody now gets a bus pass at 60 even if they are retired
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: My mother is a 85 year old pensioner who is well off by most standards.. She has a free bus pass and a free TV licence and a Winter fuel payment and a better tax code and even got a free boiler Whilst she is fully entitled to all of this and I support her having all these as if she didn't it wouldn't make a jot of difference, there must be better ways of targeting this type of help. Why should a 60 year old person still in work travel for free?[/p][/quote]keep up nobody now gets a bus pass at 60 even if they are retired simps46

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