Tesco slammed over claim it ‘can’t afford £10 a week’ for Brighton community scheme

The Argus: Tesco slammed over claim it ‘can’t afford £10 a week’ for Brighton community scheme Tesco slammed over claim it ‘can’t afford £10 a week’ for Brighton community scheme

A multinational firm has been criticised for claiming it could not afford £10 a week to join a community group.

Dozens of businesses in St James’s Street area of Brighton have signed up to the city’s Business Crime Reduction Partnership as a way to club together and reduce antisocial behaviour for the greater good.

But, despite its parent company making a profit of more than £1 billion a year, the local Tesco Express told community activists it could not afford the cost.


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After receiving the knock-back, locals have questioned the multinational’s commitment to making the area better for everyone.

Steve Parry, who sits on the St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group, wrote to the firm’s chief executive Philip Clarke. The letter in Mr Parry’s name said: “We have in Brighton and Hove, as in many other parts of the UK, a Business Crime Reduction Partnership that is extremely effective.

“In St James’s Street we have a number of major retail companies represented as well as many one-person-owned businesses.

“As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse.

“We are making progress but this is hindered by the lack of support from a very limited number of traders. When information is shared between retailers within the BCRP it is most effective when used by all shops in the area. Unfortunately Tesco Express on St James’ Street is one of the few businesses declining to work with the local community and, worse of all, has stated that the reason for not joining the BCRP is one of cost (£8 + VAT per week).

“Even very small retailers recognise that this minute cost is more than recouped on a daily basis as a result of shoplifting prevented by the work of the Brighton and Hove Partnership.”

In response, a Tesco spokeswoman said: “We are always willing to work with local businesses and residents to the help improve the community. We’re in contact with the BCRP and are happy to discuss ways we can continue to work together.”

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7:14am Mon 30 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Tescos, your friendly store supporting the local community...not.
Tescos, your friendly store supporting the local community...not. HJarrs

7:15am Mon 30 Dec 13

BeeJam says...

Don't usually go there anyway and most definitely won't now. Oh and i posted this up on facebook so everyone else I know can avoid it too.
Don't usually go there anyway and most definitely won't now. Oh and i posted this up on facebook so everyone else I know can avoid it too. BeeJam

7:25am Mon 30 Dec 13

Brightonlad86 says...

Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support. Brightonlad86

7:58am Mon 30 Dec 13

RottingdeanRant says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
Agreed. Too many of the little splinter schemes. Its the police that are funded to reduce ’anti social’ behaviour and its the police that should deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Too many of the little splinter schemes. Its the police that are funded to reduce ’anti social’ behaviour and its the police that should deal with it. RottingdeanRant

8:51am Mon 30 Dec 13

pachallis says...

Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"?

What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago.

What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT?

What have they achieved in the past 10 years?

I smell a rat!
Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"? What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago. What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT? What have they achieved in the past 10 years? I smell a rat! pachallis

9:24am Mon 30 Dec 13

Morpheus says...

What are the police for?
What are the police for? Morpheus

10:09am Mon 30 Dec 13

UsualSuspect says...

Morpheus wrote:
What are the police for?
Policing
[quote][p][bold]Morpheus[/bold] wrote: What are the police for?[/p][/quote]Policing UsualSuspect

10:23am Mon 30 Dec 13

olebut says...

Just get everybody in the community to boycott the store for ever !
Just get everybody in the community to boycott the store for ever ! olebut

10:39am Mon 30 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

Every little helps. The tesco shareholders that is
Every little helps. The tesco shareholders that is gheese77

10:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

paul76 says...

Surely the police are required to stop anti social behaviour. They have the powers of arrest etc. As an example, some bloke walking up and down the road with a big puffer jacket paid for by the group has no powers to stop anybody doing anything.

I am sure Tesco pays rates and taxes etc, which in turns goes towards paying the police.
Surely the police are required to stop anti social behaviour. They have the powers of arrest etc. As an example, some bloke walking up and down the road with a big puffer jacket paid for by the group has no powers to stop anybody doing anything. I am sure Tesco pays rates and taxes etc, which in turns goes towards paying the police. paul76

10:51am Mon 30 Dec 13

scuba1 says...

BeeJam wrote:
Don't usually go there anyway and most definitely won't now. Oh and i posted this up on facebook so everyone else I know can avoid it too.
Then you are very naive . Police are paid adequately through our taxes to deal with anti-social behaviour .
[quote][p][bold]BeeJam[/bold] wrote: Don't usually go there anyway and most definitely won't now. Oh and i posted this up on facebook so everyone else I know can avoid it too.[/p][/quote]Then you are very naive . Police are paid adequately through our taxes to deal with anti-social behaviour . scuba1

11:05am Mon 30 Dec 13

Smartbloke says...

RottingdeanRant wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
Agreed. Too many of the little splinter schemes. Its the police that are funded to reduce ’anti social’ behaviour and its the police that should deal with it.
No such thing as society, is there?
[quote][p][bold]RottingdeanRant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]Agreed. Too many of the little splinter schemes. Its the police that are funded to reduce ’anti social’ behaviour and its the police that should deal with it.[/p][/quote]No such thing as society, is there? Smartbloke

11:06am Mon 30 Dec 13

Smartbloke says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
One - read all the article before posting. Two - you haven't missed 'something', you've missed everything.

Come back when you've worked out for yourself the enormous hole in what passes for your argument.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]One - read all the article before posting. Two - you haven't missed 'something', you've missed everything. Come back when you've worked out for yourself the enormous hole in what passes for your argument. Smartbloke

11:11am Mon 30 Dec 13

bluemonday says...

where is the actual quote from Tesco saying they couldn't afford it,and why not name the others aswell
where is the actual quote from Tesco saying they couldn't afford it,and why not name the others aswell bluemonday

11:21am Mon 30 Dec 13

andyfm says...

Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!!
Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!! andyfm

11:46am Mon 30 Dec 13

Hove Actually says...

“We have in Brighton and Hove, as in many other parts of the UK, a Business Crime Reduction Partnership that is extremely effective.

Well you won't need any more cash then you silly billy as you state you are doing OK.......next
“We have in Brighton and Hove, as in many other parts of the UK, a Business Crime Reduction Partnership that is extremely effective. Well you won't need any more cash then you silly billy as you state you are doing OK.......next Hove Actually

12:55pm Mon 30 Dec 13

whatevernext2013 says...

andyfm wrote:
Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!!
i think you might go and learn maths ,and then look up tax right off's
[quote][p][bold]andyfm[/bold] wrote: Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!![/p][/quote]i think you might go and learn maths ,and then look up tax right off's whatevernext2013

1:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

woodie49 says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store. woodie49

1:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

woodie49 says...

woodie49 wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.
Manager even
[quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.[/p][/quote]Manager even woodie49

2:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

FatherTed11 says...

Slammed? LOL
Slammed? LOL FatherTed11

2:48pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brightonlad86 says...

woodie49 wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.
Manager even
No, I have no involvement with tesco at all. I don't even shop there!! I actually worked for their rivals sainsburys back in the day..

My reasons behind my support for tesco because, through running my own business, I learnt very quickly the dangers of throwing money into schemes/projects that do not work. Just because tescos turn over is in the billions it does not mean they have money to burn. Look at how many big business' have gone under in recent years. To be successfull very penny spent needs to be justified.
[quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.[/p][/quote]Manager even[/p][/quote]No, I have no involvement with tesco at all. I don't even shop there!! I actually worked for their rivals sainsburys back in the day.. My reasons behind my support for tesco because, through running my own business, I learnt very quickly the dangers of throwing money into schemes/projects that do not work. Just because tescos turn over is in the billions it does not mean they have money to burn. Look at how many big business' have gone under in recent years. To be successfull very penny spent needs to be justified. Brightonlad86

2:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Tesco makes £billions and it can't afford £10 for a community scheme? What utter rubbish, just like the items you'll find in Tesco all over the UK.

Boycott the store everyone.

They are only in it for profit and nothing else.
Tesco makes £billions and it can't afford £10 for a community scheme? What utter rubbish, just like the items you'll find in Tesco all over the UK. Boycott the store everyone. They are only in it for profit and nothing else. getThisCoalitionOut

3:17pm Mon 30 Dec 13

jsuk2000 says...

"They are only in it for profit and nothing else"

The point of every business!
"They are only in it for profit and nothing else" The point of every business! jsuk2000

3:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

mtmoocher says...

Didn't this Tesco branch get its liquor licence on appeal thus fuelling the existent situation?
Didn't this Tesco branch get its liquor licence on appeal thus fuelling the existent situation? mtmoocher

3:57pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

I blame the Greens. No, seriously.

Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse".

Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.
I blame the Greens. No, seriously. Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse". Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us. Idontbelieveit1948

4:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
I blame the Greens. No, seriously.

Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse".

Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.
You are so right. Our Green policy is designed to disadvantage working and tax paying people who care whilst stimulating unrest

Its great watching it all come together - not quite the same scale as Gordon brown's great credit card bill though!
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: I blame the Greens. No, seriously. Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse". Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.[/p][/quote]You are so right. Our Green policy is designed to disadvantage working and tax paying people who care whilst stimulating unrest Its great watching it all come together - not quite the same scale as Gordon brown's great credit card bill though! I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

4:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Brightonlad86 says...

Brightonlad86 wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
woodie49 wrote:
Brightonlad86 wrote:
Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something....

Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!!

Is the cost of joining justified?
Does it actually work?

These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.
One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.
Manager even
No, I have no involvement with tesco at all. I don't even shop there!! I actually worked for their rivals sainsburys back in the day..

My reasons behind my support for tesco because, through running my own business, I learnt very quickly the dangers of throwing money into schemes/projects that do not work. Just because tescos turn over is in the billions it does not mean they have money to burn. Look at how many big business' have gone under in recent years. To be successfull very penny spent needs to be justified.
Ah, so far this post has a score of -4...

Perhaps I have it all wrong? Maybe we should just give all our money away??

Or, being careless with money could be why so many have been effected so badly by the recession? Spending/borrowing money they cannot afford, or just wasting it all together...
[quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woodie49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brightonlad86[/bold] wrote: Only read a bit of the article so might have missed something.... Why should any business pay into a scheme when they already contribute even more money to another scheme... The police!!! Is the cost of joining justified? Does it actually work? These big business' have not become successful by giving money away to schemes they don't believe are fit for purpose. I'm not suggesting this scheme is not effective but no body/business should be pressured into spending money on things they don't want to support.[/p][/quote]One can only assume that you are a Tesco employee or even a manger perhaps working at the St.James street store.[/p][/quote]Manager even[/p][/quote]No, I have no involvement with tesco at all. I don't even shop there!! I actually worked for their rivals sainsburys back in the day.. My reasons behind my support for tesco because, through running my own business, I learnt very quickly the dangers of throwing money into schemes/projects that do not work. Just because tescos turn over is in the billions it does not mean they have money to burn. Look at how many big business' have gone under in recent years. To be successfull very penny spent needs to be justified.[/p][/quote]Ah, so far this post has a score of -4... Perhaps I have it all wrong? Maybe we should just give all our money away?? Or, being careless with money could be why so many have been effected so badly by the recession? Spending/borrowing money they cannot afford, or just wasting it all together... Brightonlad86

5:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Plantpot says...

Each business has the right to decide whether or not to join any "community" group. That would include any of the smaller businesses in the area. If, in their opinion, there is no value to be gained from joining the group, then so be it. It's up to the community group to prove it's worth, not the other way round. The article above fails to make clear what in practical terms the benefit of joining such a group would be anyway beyond the sharing of information. Why would this info be hindered by Tesco's not joining? Surely shoplifters shoplift from any and all shops? You can still share that info.

BTW, If every Tesco Express or similar spent £10/week, it would cost £1,236,560/annum. I wouldn't be spending the money either.
Each business has the right to decide whether or not to join any "community" group. That would include any of the smaller businesses in the area. If, in their opinion, there is no value to be gained from joining the group, then so be it. It's up to the community group to prove it's worth, not the other way round. The article above fails to make clear what in practical terms the benefit of joining such a group would be anyway beyond the sharing of information. Why would this info be hindered by Tesco's not joining? Surely shoplifters shoplift from any and all shops? You can still share that info. BTW, If every Tesco Express or similar spent £10/week, it would cost £1,236,560/annum. I wouldn't be spending the money either. Plantpot

5:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
I blame the Greens. No, seriously.

Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse".

Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.
I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome.

Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers?

This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs!
[quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: I blame the Greens. No, seriously. Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse". Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome. Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers? This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs! HJarrs

6:01pm Mon 30 Dec 13

clarkebrighton says...

Tesco Could Claim the VAT Back, and the Rest would be TAX DEDUCTED

Oh Silly Me TESCO is Based Off Shore, and Don't Pay TAXES
Tesco Could Claim the VAT Back, and the Rest would be TAX DEDUCTED Oh Silly Me TESCO is Based Off Shore, and Don't Pay TAXES clarkebrighton

6:11pm Mon 30 Dec 13

the red head says...

I just went to the business crime reduction partnerships website and see that b&h has signed up. The annual fee is £800. This would appear to cover the whole of the city. It would seem therefore that this is a collaborative outside of an already existing scheme which is already internally funded.
They make a good headline but it might be good if they back it up with their prime objectives and what they wish to use the money for? I'm sure tesco already has it's own security measures but smaller businesses will do well to club together and share info.
I do get fed up that 'community' seems to mean 'charity' whenever anyone tries to bang a drum.
I just went to the business crime reduction partnerships website and see that b&h has signed up. The annual fee is £800. This would appear to cover the whole of the city. It would seem therefore that this is a collaborative outside of an already existing scheme which is already internally funded. They make a good headline but it might be good if they back it up with their prime objectives and what they wish to use the money for? I'm sure tesco already has it's own security measures but smaller businesses will do well to club together and share info. I do get fed up that 'community' seems to mean 'charity' whenever anyone tries to bang a drum. the red head

7:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
I blame the Greens. No, seriously.

Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse".

Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.
I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome.

Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers?

This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs!
HJ

You have managed to spin out another great story - full of admiration as always as you link fiction to fiction and aim to state fact.

Now, if you lived in Brighton you would have a better grasp of what is really going on and could post with authority. Maybe take a couple of day trips?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: I blame the Greens. No, seriously. Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse". Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome. Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers? This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs![/p][/quote]HJ You have managed to spin out another great story - full of admiration as always as you link fiction to fiction and aim to state fact. Now, if you lived in Brighton you would have a better grasp of what is really going on and could post with authority. Maybe take a couple of day trips? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

8:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

LeonBIank666 says...

Tescos is cheap. I like cheap after years of Labour rule. Tescos rules!
Tescos is cheap. I like cheap after years of Labour rule. Tescos rules! LeonBIank666

8:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

If you don't pay the protection money, you'll be pilloried in the local press!
If you don't pay the protection money, you'll be pilloried in the local press! Bob_The_Ferret

8:30am Tue 31 Dec 13

hoveguyactually says...

Well, they treat the farmers who supply them so badly, it is not surprising that they are just as mean to the local community. I gave up going there long ago, except in dire emergency. Their Church Road branch is my idea of shopping in Hell. With so much competition around, why bother adding to the vast profits they make?
Well, they treat the farmers who supply them so badly, it is not surprising that they are just as mean to the local community. I gave up going there long ago, except in dire emergency. Their Church Road branch is my idea of shopping in Hell. With so much competition around, why bother adding to the vast profits they make? hoveguyactually

8:35am Tue 31 Dec 13

realspeak says...

Used to be part of the BCRP and to be honest, they didn't really make me think it was worth it. They act like they are police but with no powers, they only every took notice of the the bigger retailers and seemed to ignore smaller retailers often having to call on the radio a number of times before getting answered. The guards seemed very clicky with each other too.
Now you see them walking up and down North Street and Western Road either drinking coffee or eating, trying to look like a deterant as numerous shoplifters walk around with stuff.
I think Tesco should stick with its decision.
Used to be part of the BCRP and to be honest, they didn't really make me think it was worth it. They act like they are police but with no powers, they only every took notice of the the bigger retailers and seemed to ignore smaller retailers often having to call on the radio a number of times before getting answered. The guards seemed very clicky with each other too. Now you see them walking up and down North Street and Western Road either drinking coffee or eating, trying to look like a deterant as numerous shoplifters walk around with stuff. I think Tesco should stick with its decision. realspeak

9:17am Tue 31 Dec 13

musesboy says...

So the first few comments get over 200 negs. I don't think I've ever seen that many before even when cycle lanes or 20mph limits are being "discussed".

Tesco head office must have been busy.
So the first few comments get over 200 negs. I don't think I've ever seen that many before even when cycle lanes or 20mph limits are being "discussed". Tesco head office must have been busy. musesboy

10:44am Tue 31 Dec 13

STEVE THE RED says...

pachallis wrote:
Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"?

What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago.

What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT?

What have they achieved in the past 10 years?

I smell a rat!
Go to sjcag.wordpress.com The article makes it clear that the St James' Community Action Group supports the scheme and the weekly cost has nothing to do with SJCAG. Please go to the website and you will find any information you require. If not then email sjcag2012@gmail.com
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"? What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago. What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT? What have they achieved in the past 10 years? I smell a rat![/p][/quote]Go to sjcag.wordpress.com The article makes it clear that the St James' Community Action Group supports the scheme and the weekly cost has nothing to do with SJCAG. Please go to the website and you will find any information you require. If not then email sjcag2012@gmail.com STEVE THE RED

10:50am Tue 31 Dec 13

getThisCoalitionOut says...

Why have Tesco managed to hack into the Argus' scoring system and been allowed to get away with it? Come on Argus - delete the posts that have obviously been put there by Tesco and scored FAR HIGHER THAN EVER BEFORE or is the Argus on the Tesco payroll?
Why have Tesco managed to hack into the Argus' scoring system and been allowed to get away with it? Come on Argus - delete the posts that have obviously been put there by Tesco and scored FAR HIGHER THAN EVER BEFORE or is the Argus on the Tesco payroll? getThisCoalitionOut

11:00am Tue 31 Dec 13

STEVE THE RED says...

The Brighton and Hove crime reduction Partnership is, as I understand it, extremely effective - If it wasn't then there would not be so many small one person businesses in membership. St James' Community Action Group (established through a public meeting of over 120 local residents) was only established in March this year with the primary aim of our community working together to improve the quality of life for all. If you agree or disagree with anything we have done come along to our AGM on March 26th 2014 or email sjcag2012@gmail.com.


New Year Greetings to all!
The Brighton and Hove crime reduction Partnership is, as I understand it, extremely effective - If it wasn't then there would not be so many small one person businesses in membership. St James' Community Action Group (established through a public meeting of over 120 local residents) was only established in March this year with the primary aim of our community working together to improve the quality of life for all. If you agree or disagree with anything we have done come along to our AGM on March 26th 2014 or email sjcag2012@gmail.com. New Year Greetings to all! STEVE THE RED

6:38pm Tue 31 Dec 13

andyfm says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
andyfm wrote:
Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!!
i think you might go and learn maths ,and then look up tax right off's
Maybe YOU should learn English.....".WRITE" not right!!!
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andyfm[/bold] wrote: Just imagine Tesco paying £10 PER WEEK to EVERY towns different communities and as a company they would SOON GO BUST!!!![/p][/quote]i think you might go and learn maths ,and then look up tax right off's[/p][/quote]Maybe YOU should learn English.....".WRITE" not right!!! andyfm

8:25am Wed 1 Jan 14

D5 says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
Tesco makes £billions and it can't afford £10 for a community scheme? What utter rubbish, just like the items you'll find in Tesco all over the UK.

Boycott the store everyone.

They are only in it for profit and nothing else.
I agree.

Also has anybody seen the amount of thumbs down points on this thread?

It would make you think that someone, somewhere could be getting people to vote down the posts here so tesco look popular in their decision?

Who would be large and rich enough to do this i wonder?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: Tesco makes £billions and it can't afford £10 for a community scheme? What utter rubbish, just like the items you'll find in Tesco all over the UK. Boycott the store everyone. They are only in it for profit and nothing else.[/p][/quote]I agree. Also has anybody seen the amount of thumbs down points on this thread? It would make you think that someone, somewhere could be getting people to vote down the posts here so tesco look popular in their decision? Who would be large and rich enough to do this i wonder? D5

6:34pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Gosh, Tesco's IT people have created some great voting bots, haven't they? Over 200 thumbs downs for some of the comments on here! A quick tip, corporate geeks: when trying to write some coding to discredit a local newspaper story which criticises the company for which you work, it's advisable to spend a couple of minutes checking how many votes there are for other stories on the same website. The one thing newspaper readers hate more than a cheat is a blatant cheat.
Gosh, Tesco's IT people have created some great voting bots, haven't they? Over 200 thumbs downs for some of the comments on here! A quick tip, corporate geeks: when trying to write some coding to discredit a local newspaper story which criticises the company for which you work, it's advisable to spend a couple of minutes checking how many votes there are for other stories on the same website. The one thing newspaper readers hate more than a cheat is a blatant cheat. Roundbill

2:21pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sabbat36 says...

Roundbill wrote:
Gosh, Tesco's IT people have created some great voting bots, haven't they? Over 200 thumbs downs for some of the comments on here! A quick tip, corporate geeks: when trying to write some coding to discredit a local newspaper story which criticises the company for which you work, it's advisable to spend a couple of minutes checking how many votes there are for other stories on the same website. The one thing newspaper readers hate more than a cheat is a blatant cheat.
awesome.
It's not conspiracy is it?

Fcuck Tesco
[quote][p][bold]Roundbill[/bold] wrote: Gosh, Tesco's IT people have created some great voting bots, haven't they? Over 200 thumbs downs for some of the comments on here! A quick tip, corporate geeks: when trying to write some coding to discredit a local newspaper story which criticises the company for which you work, it's advisable to spend a couple of minutes checking how many votes there are for other stories on the same website. The one thing newspaper readers hate more than a cheat is a blatant cheat.[/p][/quote]awesome. It's not conspiracy is it? Fcuck Tesco sabbat36

2:50pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pachallis says...

STEVE THE RED wrote:
pachallis wrote:
Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"?

What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago.

What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT?

What have they achieved in the past 10 years?

I smell a rat!
Go to sjcag.wordpress.com The article makes it clear that the St James' Community Action Group supports the scheme and the weekly cost has nothing to do with SJCAG. Please go to the website and you will find any information you require. If not then email sjcag2012@gmail.com
@STEVE THE RED - thanks for this - however I still can't work out why you require funding of £8+VAT per week from retailers. Where does the money go? How much do SJCAG currently get from retailers and what do retailers get for the payments?

If you are picking out Tesco, please can you provide a complete list of retailers who do pay and those who refuse to pay £8+VAT per week?
[quote][p][bold]STEVE THE RED[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: Who are "St James’s Community Action Group Policing Working Group"? What are their objectives? Do they have a constitution? Do they have a web site or provides feeds to facebook or twitter? I had a search on the internet and can only find a single document from 10 years ago. What are they going to do with the £10 per week from local shops and why are they charging VAT? What have they achieved in the past 10 years? I smell a rat![/p][/quote]Go to sjcag.wordpress.com The article makes it clear that the St James' Community Action Group supports the scheme and the weekly cost has nothing to do with SJCAG. Please go to the website and you will find any information you require. If not then email sjcag2012@gmail.com[/p][/quote]@STEVE THE RED - thanks for this - however I still can't work out why you require funding of £8+VAT per week from retailers. Where does the money go? How much do SJCAG currently get from retailers and what do retailers get for the payments? If you are picking out Tesco, please can you provide a complete list of retailers who do pay and those who refuse to pay £8+VAT per week? pachallis

3:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

STEVE THE RED says...

SJCAG does not require anything at all. We expressed our support because the work of the BCRP is of benefit to our community. The money paid to BCRP pays for the service provided - sharing of information, radios and links between retailers, etc although it is for the BCRP to explain itself exactly what is provided. I will contact them and ask if they can answer your questions in more detail
SJCAG does not require anything at all. We expressed our support because the work of the BCRP is of benefit to our community. The money paid to BCRP pays for the service provided - sharing of information, radios and links between retailers, etc although it is for the BCRP to explain itself exactly what is provided. I will contact them and ask if they can answer your questions in more detail STEVE THE RED

3:22pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pachallis says...

@STEVE THE RED - I found more details about the Brighton BRC on the web. This states:

How much does it cost to join the BCRP scheme?

The BCRP scheme is a ‘not for profit’ organisation. There is a basic package that gives all members the benefit of a radio handset, the exclusion notice scheme and police intelligence including photo-sharing of prolific offenders for a flat fee of about £1/day. Costs are kept to a minimum and represent outstanding value and cost effectiveness in relation to the benefits of crime reduction to business.

If a company such as Tescos does not want to join BCRP because it thinks it is in control of it's security - perhaps employing their own security guards - why should they be forced to join BCRP?

IMHO SJCAG is overstepping the mark in raising Tescos refusal to subscribe to BCRP and should possibly be slammed themselves?

Is BCRP membership compulsory?

At least it has given all the left-wing big business haters a chance to have a whinge!
@STEVE THE RED - I found more details about the Brighton BRC on the web. This states: How much does it cost to join the BCRP scheme? The BCRP scheme is a ‘not for profit’ organisation. There is a basic package that gives all members the benefit of a radio handset, the exclusion notice scheme and police intelligence including photo-sharing of prolific offenders for a flat fee of about £1/day. Costs are kept to a minimum and represent outstanding value and cost effectiveness in relation to the benefits of crime reduction to business. If a company such as Tescos does not want to join BCRP because it thinks it is in control of it's security - perhaps employing their own security guards - why should they be forced to join BCRP? IMHO SJCAG is overstepping the mark in raising Tescos refusal to subscribe to BCRP and should possibly be slammed themselves? Is BCRP membership compulsory? At least it has given all the left-wing big business haters a chance to have a whinge! pachallis

9:27am Fri 3 Jan 14

Brighton1000 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Idontbelieveit1948 wrote:
I blame the Greens. No, seriously.

Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse".

Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.
I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome.

Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers?

This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs!
They employ 472,000 people, As for your opinions on Brighton, You obviously dont live here, You have zero idea of the day to day drug users at the level, on London Road and all around that area. Your posts are completely untrue, thought up by a man who was never picked for the football team as a boy, And the biggest laugh is, You dont even live down here but comment like a resident. You are a very very excellent example of why the greens are the most unpopular blemish ever to land on Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Idontbelieveit1948[/bold] wrote: I blame the Greens. No, seriously. Per Steve Parry "As with most areas having similar demographics to ours we have a serious problem with shoplifting and associated antisocial behaviour, largely centred on drug and alcohol abuse". Green policy in this town / city has invited many more troublemakers to come here thus exacerbating matters and has driven many locals to drink by imposing their insane ideology on us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you do blame the Greens even though this story only concerns Tesco and a local community group trying to improve the area. I would bet against you blaming the Greens for World Wars 1&2 and the sacking of Rome. Brighton in particular has always had its issues. I read recently about skinhead troubles in the 70s & 80s, we having nothing to compare with that, there has been a declining level of violent crime for years, I notice fewer stories in the Argus of violent attacks on the Level for example, though there are still too many. As for drugs, we are no longer the drugs death capital of the Uk anymore due to a steep fall of drugs deaths in the last couple of years. So where are these mobs of new trouble makers? This is just a typical example of Tesco not supporting local communities. As their stores become more automated, so they hardly even provide any jobs![/p][/quote]They employ 472,000 people, As for your opinions on Brighton, You obviously dont live here, You have zero idea of the day to day drug users at the level, on London Road and all around that area. Your posts are completely untrue, thought up by a man who was never picked for the football team as a boy, And the biggest laugh is, You dont even live down here but comment like a resident. You are a very very excellent example of why the greens are the most unpopular blemish ever to land on Brighton. Brighton1000

10:05am Fri 3 Jan 14

pachallis says...

clarkebrighton wrote:
Tesco Could Claim the VAT Back, and the Rest would be TAX DEDUCTED

Oh Silly Me TESCO is Based Off Shore, and Don't Pay TAXES
@clarkebrighton - what utter rubbish - Tesco, like any commercial institution tries to avoid paying tax where it can and is quite legal, if not moral. But who decided morality these days?

Tesco pay taxes (corporation and VAT) in the UK and the employees pay income tax and spend money in the community leading to more jobs and VAT payments. Profits from companies like Tesco support the British Economy and share value and profits support pension schemes.

This is unlike the illegal tax evasion practiced by those involved in the "black economy" who feel they are morally entitled to do so,
[quote][p][bold]clarkebrighton[/bold] wrote: Tesco Could Claim the VAT Back, and the Rest would be TAX DEDUCTED Oh Silly Me TESCO is Based Off Shore, and Don't Pay TAXES[/p][/quote]@clarkebrighton - what utter rubbish - Tesco, like any commercial institution tries to avoid paying tax where it can and is quite legal, if not moral. But who decided morality these days? Tesco pay taxes (corporation and VAT) in the UK and the employees pay income tax and spend money in the community leading to more jobs and VAT payments. Profits from companies like Tesco support the British Economy and share value and profits support pension schemes. This is unlike the illegal tax evasion practiced by those involved in the "black economy" who feel they are morally entitled to do so, pachallis

9:23pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Are you allowed to call it the "black economy" any more?
Are you allowed to call it the "black economy" any more? Roundbill

3:02am Sat 4 Jan 14

losdude says...

yep, unbelievable amount of likes and dislikes all in favour of tescos, something very dodgy is going on......
yep, unbelievable amount of likes and dislikes all in favour of tescos, something very dodgy is going on...... losdude

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