A cautious welcome for safer route around Seven Dials roundabout

The Argus: A cautious welcome for safer route around Seven Dials roundabout A cautious welcome for safer route around Seven Dials roundabout

A major scheme to make an accident- blackspot roundabout safer has been given a cautious welcome.

The new £800,000 Seven Dials road layout was completed just before Christmas, after nine months of work.

It was welcomed for improving the area’s appearance – though some questioned if it would improve safety.


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Millie Ferguson, resident of Addison Grove, said: “It looks very smart. Driving is slower, though.

“We were concerned about the railings being removed but we don’t know yet if the long-term safety will be any better or worse.”

EmmaCarey, manger at Small Batch Coffee, Dyke Road, said: “It’s a longtime coming. Our business was definitely affected by the long duration of the roadworks.

“It seems to be running smoothly though there are still a lot of cars honking at each other.”

Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “I’ve got some reservations.

A coach was unable to get round the other day without mounting the central island. It begs the question how did they fail to take this into account?

“As I forecast people are walking straight across the middle rather than using the zebra crossings, which can’t be good for safety.”

The changes are meant to enhance the Dials’ village atmosphere with new trees and benches, while benefiting road users particularly cyclists and pedestrians.

An oval traffic island has replaced the mini-roundabout meaning vehicles merge gradually rather than converging on a single point. Street clutter was removed and pelican crossings changed to zebra crossings to make it quicker and easier to cross.

The junction was one of the most ‘accident-prone’ in the city, with 20 collisions between 2009-2012.

Lead councillor for transport Ian Davey said: “This is a set of improvements well worth celebrating because they will certainly, over time, reduce the number of accidents and injuries at this location.

“We are confident the changes will also contribute to the long-term economic regeneration of the area and offer a welcome boost to local business.”

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10:12am Tue 31 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into.... HJarrs

10:23am Tue 31 Dec 13

LongDistanceRunner2 says...

"Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “I’ve got some reservations.

"A coach was unable to get round the other day without mounting the central island. It begs the question how did they fail to take this into account?"

- what an idiot. The scheme has clearly been designed to allow longer vehicles to mount the central island whilst guiding the majority of vehicles round. Why does the Argus give time to people without any kind of valid input? Makes the paper look as ridiculous as the 'People's Parking Protest'.
"Steve Percy, of the People’s Parking Protest, said: “I’ve got some reservations. "A coach was unable to get round the other day without mounting the central island. It begs the question how did they fail to take this into account?" - what an idiot. The scheme has clearly been designed to allow longer vehicles to mount the central island whilst guiding the majority of vehicles round. Why does the Argus give time to people without any kind of valid input? Makes the paper look as ridiculous as the 'People's Parking Protest'. LongDistanceRunner2

10:24am Tue 31 Dec 13

beegeew says...

HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
Troll
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]Troll beegeew

10:37am Tue 31 Dec 13

rayellerton says...

I prefer it....hate the use of mini roundabouts which do not slow traffic and cause accidents.
I prefer it....hate the use of mini roundabouts which do not slow traffic and cause accidents. rayellerton

10:44am Tue 31 Dec 13

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
@HJarrs - it actually looks quite good - but I have to ask - do you sit waiting all day for news items and then push out a green fanboi comment on anything that appears related to the council and lampooning anyone that dares to disagree with those immature, irresponsible, idealistic idiot council "leaders"?

Do you have a real job outside being the PR agent for the greens?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - it actually looks quite good - but I have to ask - do you sit waiting all day for news items and then push out a green fanboi comment on anything that appears related to the council and lampooning anyone that dares to disagree with those immature, irresponsible, idealistic idiot council "leaders"? Do you have a real job outside being the PR agent for the greens? pachallis

10:50am Tue 31 Dec 13

gheese77 says...

It certainly looks much better.
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It certainly looks much better. http://regencysociet y-jamesgray.com/volu me26/index10.html gheese77

11:10am Tue 31 Dec 13

cynic_the says...

It did take too long and cost too much, but I think it's a huge improvement over the old layout and appearance.

What's disappointing is that the "Dials' village atmosphere" is so badly blighted by the huge amount of rubbish blowing around, escaping from the massively over-filled recycling bins at the top of Montpelier Road.
It did take too long and cost too much, but I think it's a huge improvement over the old layout and appearance. What's disappointing is that the "Dials' village atmosphere" is so badly blighted by the huge amount of rubbish blowing around, escaping from the massively over-filled recycling bins at the top of Montpelier Road. cynic_the

11:16am Tue 31 Dec 13

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....? cynic_the

11:36am Tue 31 Dec 13

Bob_The_Ferret says...

There are some serious safety issues with the removal of the railings encouraging crossing away from the proper crossings; there is even a dropped kerb at one point to guide people to cross onto the central island.

Queuing traffic often obstructs the view of the few people who do wait to cross at the Zebra crossings, and buses stopping at the built out bus stop in Dyke Road often cause a queue which blocks up the entire junction.

As others have witnessed, some larger vehicles do gave difficulty negotiation the tight narrow turns around the ends of the island, and it's often uncomfortable for passengers when buses have to mount the cobbled areas to get round.

It may seem quieter on the junction, but many drivers having avoided the chaos during the construction work over the past year are sticking to the side streets.

As for the claim that street furniture has been removed to improve visibility, it seems that plenty of new items, such as benches and large black bins have been positioned in obstructive positions to compensate for this, not to mention the large distracting tree and green propaganda signs on the roundabout.
There are some serious safety issues with the removal of the railings encouraging crossing away from the proper crossings; there is even a dropped kerb at one point to guide people to cross onto the central island. Queuing traffic often obstructs the view of the few people who do wait to cross at the Zebra crossings, and buses stopping at the built out bus stop in Dyke Road often cause a queue which blocks up the entire junction. As others have witnessed, some larger vehicles do gave difficulty negotiation the tight narrow turns around the ends of the island, and it's often uncomfortable for passengers when buses have to mount the cobbled areas to get round. It may seem quieter on the junction, but many drivers having avoided the chaos during the construction work over the past year are sticking to the side streets. As for the claim that street furniture has been removed to improve visibility, it seems that plenty of new items, such as benches and large black bins have been positioned in obstructive positions to compensate for this, not to mention the large distracting tree and green propaganda signs on the roundabout. Bob_The_Ferret

11:38am Tue 31 Dec 13

Brighton Living says...

Very much needed as it's a nightmare!
Very much needed as it's a nightmare! Brighton Living

11:43am Tue 31 Dec 13

HJarrs says...

cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it. HJarrs

12:05pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Uncle_Meat says...

Was the old layout an accident black spot/ death trap?
I lived in Addison Road and Compton Avenue for many years and never had an accident cycling round there, in fact I don't think I even saw an accident.
£800k is an awful lot of money for what effectively is a cosmetic improvement.
Was the old layout an accident black spot/ death trap? I lived in Addison Road and Compton Avenue for many years and never had an accident cycling round there, in fact I don't think I even saw an accident. £800k is an awful lot of money for what effectively is a cosmetic improvement. Uncle_Meat

12:14pm Tue 31 Dec 13

cynic_the says...

HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
I'd be pretty shocked if anyone really wanted the whole city flattened to become a free car park to be honest. The suggestion is ridiculous.

That's the whole problem: Disagree with halving our major roads' capacity to provide lets face it, so far very underused cycle lanes, and you're accused of wanting the city turned into a car park. Disagree with the 20mph limit and you're accused of being a Clarksonesque moron that wants to go drag racing on West Street.

I'm a very local resident in this case (and another cursor pusher incidentally). I want clean streets, safe streets, improved rubbish & recycling services, less congestion & air pollution, and a council that listens to its constituents rather than ploughing on regardless.

I like the new Seven Dials as I stated earlier, but it's a microcosm of the city's problems: Nice, new, very expensive project - blighted by rubbish blowing all over it because the council can't get the basics right and empty the f**king bins!
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]I'd be pretty shocked if anyone really wanted the whole city flattened to become a free car park to be honest. The suggestion is ridiculous. That's the whole problem: Disagree with halving our major roads' capacity to provide lets face it, so far very underused cycle lanes, and you're accused of wanting the city turned into a car park. Disagree with the 20mph limit and you're accused of being a Clarksonesque moron that wants to go drag racing on West Street. I'm a very local resident in this case (and another cursor pusher incidentally). I want clean streets, safe streets, improved rubbish & recycling services, less congestion & air pollution, and a council that listens to its constituents rather than ploughing on regardless. I like the new Seven Dials as I stated earlier, but it's a microcosm of the city's problems: Nice, new, very expensive project - blighted by rubbish blowing all over it because the council can't get the basics right and empty the f**king bins! cynic_the

12:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy.

All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with.

In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public.

As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual).

The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy. All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with. In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public. As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual). The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election..... pachallis

1:16pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ourcoalition says...

This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning! ourcoalition

1:23pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

To be completely frank it is a dangerous waste of money and will need significant further works to address safety issues before too long.

In the interim the green idiots.who have progressed it and caused chaos for months should be ashamed of themselves and apologise unreservedly to the tax paying residents of Brighton

Laughable wasters
To be completely frank it is a dangerous waste of money and will need significant further works to address safety issues before too long. In the interim the green idiots.who have progressed it and caused chaos for months should be ashamed of themselves and apologise unreservedly to the tax paying residents of Brighton Laughable wasters Somethingsarejustwrong

1:34pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

ourcoalition wrote:
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike?

I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning![/p][/quote]No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike? I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves Somethingsarejustwrong

1:44pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Indigatio says...

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2:41pm Tue 31 Dec 13

salty_pete says...

HJarrs "These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in."

You are so wrong on both counts. A left wing Marxist party masquerading as "Green" is about as reactionary as you can get. Wanting to severely restrict the flow of traffic and stifle the commerce of the city is trying to turn the clock back a half century; they ain't going to get the genie back in the bottle and should take a lesson from Canute (ok I know it's a mixed metaphor). The Greens could not be farther from the term "progressive". The comments in this section just show how dynamic we really are .... especially in the desire to apply a very dynamic boot to the precious rear of the Green party in 2015.
HJarrs "These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in." You are so wrong on both counts. A left wing Marxist party masquerading as "Green" is about as reactionary as you can get. Wanting to severely restrict the flow of traffic and stifle the commerce of the city is trying to turn the clock back a half century; they ain't going to get the genie back in the bottle and should take a lesson from Canute (ok I know it's a mixed metaphor). The Greens could not be farther from the term "progressive". The comments in this section just show how dynamic we really are .... especially in the desire to apply a very dynamic boot to the precious rear of the Green party in 2015. salty_pete

3:02pm Tue 31 Dec 13

JamesCaulfield says...

I love the new roundabout and I have found myself sitting on the benches just watching the cars go round and round. It's very convenient as the local CoOps sell 3 massive bottles of lager for £5, so by the time I've finished my feast I love the roubdabout even more! I plan to buy a car to get my full value back.
I love the new roundabout and I have found myself sitting on the benches just watching the cars go round and round. It's very convenient as the local CoOps sell 3 massive bottles of lager for £5, so by the time I've finished my feast I love the roubdabout even more! I plan to buy a car to get my full value back. JamesCaulfield

4:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Fight_Back says...

ourcoalition wrote:
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
Amazingly I partly agree with you. Not on the traffic flow - I've noticed no difference. I do agree with you about the pedestrians crossing here, there and everywhere because the railings have been removed. The crossings are also too close to the exits meaning drivers see people crossing quite late. It does look much better though. Was it worth £800k in a time when money is do tight ? Probably not.
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning![/p][/quote]Amazingly I partly agree with you. Not on the traffic flow - I've noticed no difference. I do agree with you about the pedestrians crossing here, there and everywhere because the railings have been removed. The crossings are also too close to the exits meaning drivers see people crossing quite late. It does look much better though. Was it worth £800k in a time when money is do tight ? Probably not. Fight_Back

4:49pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Sussex jim says...

According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis
ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago. Sussex jim

4:57pm Tue 31 Dec 13

whatevernext2013 says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy.

All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with.

In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public.

As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual).

The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....
no no no dont tell him to stop anything that stops people voting for the greens must be welcomed
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy. All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with. In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public. As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual). The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....[/p][/quote]no no no dont tell him to stop anything that stops people voting for the greens must be welcomed whatevernext2013

5:19pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Gardenboy says...

I use this route on a regular basis, and I am sure that there will be a serious accident involving a pedestrian very soon. As there are no railings, people just cross anywhere but on the crossings, just to save an extra 5 yards. It is madness and I hope the council monitor the situation and install railings with alacrity!
I use this route on a regular basis, and I am sure that there will be a serious accident involving a pedestrian very soon. As there are no railings, people just cross anywhere but on the crossings, just to save an extra 5 yards. It is madness and I hope the council monitor the situation and install railings with alacrity! Gardenboy

5:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

upsidedowntuctuc says...

An oblong roundabout only in Greenland is this acceptable ?
Dials VILLAGE???
Signs saying Seven Dials improvement??
Sooner this lot Spin off the better only 17 months left
An oblong roundabout only in Greenland is this acceptable ? Dials VILLAGE??? Signs saying Seven Dials improvement?? Sooner this lot Spin off the better only 17 months left upsidedowntuctuc

5:57pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Mike_the_car_driver says...

rayellerton wrote:
I prefer it....hate the use of mini roundabouts which do not slow traffic and cause accidents.
I couldn't agree more.The only problem I have found with the new layout is when its busy it can easily get congested on the roundabout. If a bus turns off in to Dyke Road and theres a few people crossing at the zebra crossing it holds most of the people up behind the bus. That and I drove my car round it the other day and my car decided to loose power steering, it felt like I had just done a 5 hour lifting session at a gym by the time I managed to stop!
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: I prefer it....hate the use of mini roundabouts which do not slow traffic and cause accidents.[/p][/quote]I couldn't agree more.The only problem I have found with the new layout is when its busy it can easily get congested on the roundabout. If a bus turns off in to Dyke Road and theres a few people crossing at the zebra crossing it holds most of the people up behind the bus. That and I drove my car round it the other day and my car decided to loose power steering, it felt like I had just done a 5 hour lifting session at a gym by the time I managed to stop! Mike_the_car_driver

6:45pm Tue 31 Dec 13

bug eye says...

have to say works well unlike every other road scheme imposed by this administration. cars can see when safe to enter so do not dilly dally like before and it is actually allows quicker flow, along with the zebra crossings that allow cars and pedestrians to proceed in turn and not get cars stuck at red lights with no one crossing. looks great too with the planting about time too. with pedestrians are now taking responsibility and I think it will be much safer as they will actually look and cross when clear no matter where that is. we need to give us all pedestrians credit to use our own common sense we have been nannyed for too long hence all the pedestrians getting knocked down in the past. I say get rid of all traffic lights, ugly railings and introduce roundabouts and puffin crossings. looks good too.
have to say works well unlike every other road scheme imposed by this administration. cars can see when safe to enter so do not dilly dally like before and it is actually allows quicker flow, along with the zebra crossings that allow cars and pedestrians to proceed in turn and not get cars stuck at red lights with no one crossing. looks great too with the planting about time too. with pedestrians are now taking responsibility and I think it will be much safer as they will actually look and cross when clear no matter where that is. we need to give us all pedestrians credit to use our own common sense we have been nannyed for too long hence all the pedestrians getting knocked down in the past. I say get rid of all traffic lights, ugly railings and introduce roundabouts and puffin crossings. looks good too. bug eye

7:02pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ourcoalition says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike?

I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves
"Get on a bike", "contempt" - obviously you have lost the plot!!!

I'm out on the roads all the time as you put it, because that comes with my job - ever heard of vans, lorries, buses, which are road vehicles necessary for their work...... Have a lie down in a darkened room - you need to.
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning![/p][/quote]No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike? I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves[/p][/quote]"Get on a bike", "contempt" - obviously you have lost the plot!!! I'm out on the roads all the time as you put it, because that comes with my job - ever heard of vans, lorries, buses, which are road vehicles necessary for their work...... Have a lie down in a darkened room - you need to. ourcoalition

8:10pm Tue 31 Dec 13

sussexlad says...

less clutter ? i take it the Christmas tree and nativity cuts outs I saw last week improve safety
less clutter ? i take it the Christmas tree and nativity cuts outs I saw last week improve safety sussexlad

8:47pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Falmer Wizard says...

It does look okay but despite the £800,000 spent i cannot see much improvement of 7 collisions a year.
I have little faith that drivers will stop when i cross and require the road signals to be returned,it would appear that others support this view and cross on the island since the railings were removed.
It does look okay but despite the £800,000 spent i cannot see much improvement of 7 collisions a year. I have little faith that drivers will stop when i cross and require the road signals to be returned,it would appear that others support this view and cross on the island since the railings were removed. Falmer Wizard

10:46pm Tue 31 Dec 13

To baldly go says...

Falmer Wizard wrote:
It does look okay but despite the £800,000 spent i cannot see much improvement of 7 collisions a year.
I have little faith that drivers will stop when i cross and require the road signals to be returned,it would appear that others support this view and cross on the island since the railings were removed.
Agree FW, best part of £1m for the sake of half a dozen accidents a year, looks ok granted, but makes me wonder, does a green councillor live close to the area and just wanted to make his own back yard look nice!
[quote][p][bold]Falmer Wizard[/bold] wrote: It does look okay but despite the £800,000 spent i cannot see much improvement of 7 collisions a year. I have little faith that drivers will stop when i cross and require the road signals to be returned,it would appear that others support this view and cross on the island since the railings were removed.[/p][/quote]Agree FW, best part of £1m for the sake of half a dozen accidents a year, looks ok granted, but makes me wonder, does a green councillor live close to the area and just wanted to make his own back yard look nice! To baldly go

7:08am Wed 1 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike?

I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves
"Get on a bike", "contempt" - obviously you have lost the plot!!!

I'm out on the roads all the time as you put it, because that comes with my job - ever heard of vans, lorries, buses, which are road vehicles necessary for their work...... Have a lie down in a darkened room - you need to.
Perhaps whoever is in charge of your logistics and scheduling is incompetent then. Why would you need to follow the same route time after time?

Let me guess you work for the council...wasting tax payers money on things we don't want and need

No wonder we are in such a mess

Laughable wasters
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning![/p][/quote]No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike? I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves[/p][/quote]"Get on a bike", "contempt" - obviously you have lost the plot!!! I'm out on the roads all the time as you put it, because that comes with my job - ever heard of vans, lorries, buses, which are road vehicles necessary for their work...... Have a lie down in a darkened room - you need to.[/p][/quote]Perhaps whoever is in charge of your logistics and scheduling is incompetent then. Why would you need to follow the same route time after time? Let me guess you work for the council...wasting tax payers money on things we don't want and need No wonder we are in such a mess Laughable wasters Somethingsarejustwrong

10:03am Wed 1 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis

ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u
sing-the-road-159-to
-203/road-junctions-
170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
[quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes gheese77

10:21am Wed 1 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis


ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u

sing-the-road-159-to

-203/road-junctions-

170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

12:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis



ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u


sing-the-road-159-to


-203/road-junctions-


170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ? gheese77

12:08pm Wed 1 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis



ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u


sing-the-road-159-to


-203/road-junctions-


170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ? gheese77

12:41pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis




ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u



sing-the-road-159-to



-203/road-junctions-



170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
Thick ****.

Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't.

I agree you were patronising
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?[/p][/quote]Thick ****. Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't. I agree you were patronising Somethingsarejustwrong

1:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis





ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u




sing-the-road-159-to




-203/road-junctions-




170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
Thick ****.

Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't.

I agree you were patronising
Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?[/p][/quote]Thick ****. Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't. I agree you were patronising[/p][/quote]Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye gheese77

2:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

gheese77 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis






ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u





sing-the-road-159-to





-203/road-junctions-





170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
Thick ****.

Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't.

I agree you were patronising
Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye
No the choice of descriptive word is aligned to your ridiculous comments that like HJarrs lack fact and seem designed to mislead readers into believing the absolute crap that the greens are doing is OK. Well of course it isn't OK and everyone know this so why not stop posting and instead contribute to fixing all the things the greens have broken

Absolute wasters and laughable
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?[/p][/quote]Thick ****. Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't. I agree you were patronising[/p][/quote]Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye[/p][/quote]No the choice of descriptive word is aligned to your ridiculous comments that like HJarrs lack fact and seem designed to mislead readers into believing the absolute crap that the greens are doing is OK. Well of course it isn't OK and everyone know this so why not stop posting and instead contribute to fixing all the things the greens have broken Absolute wasters and laughable Somethingsarejustwrong

3:38pm Wed 1 Jan 14

cynic_the says...

gheese77 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro

ng
wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis






ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u





sing-the-road-159-to





-203/road-junctions-





170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
Thick ****.

Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't.

I agree you were patronising
Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye
Ha ha ha ha ha, brilliant!

Snotty patronising comment => gets owned => Takes ball away.

In relation to that original comment:

Anyone with a driving license should know full well that a pedestrian in the road has priority over all other road users.

Perhaps that's why so many cyclists ignore that rule. Perhaps we need a theory test and license for cyclists too.....?
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?[/p][/quote]Thick ****. Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't. I agree you were patronising[/p][/quote]Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha ha, brilliant! Snotty patronising comment => gets owned => Takes ball away. In relation to that original comment: Anyone with a driving license should know full well that a pedestrian in the road has priority over all other road users. Perhaps that's why so many cyclists ignore that rule. Perhaps we need a theory test and license for cyclists too.....? cynic_the

3:49pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Somethingsarejustwrong says...

cynic_the wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Somethingsarejustwro


ng
wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis







ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.
According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u






sing-the-road-159-to






-203/road-junctions-






170-to-183).

I think many drivers do not realise this.
I await your downvotes
How patronising

I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton.

The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory
Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made.
And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?
Thick ****.

Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't.

I agree you were patronising
Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye
Ha ha ha ha ha, brilliant!

Snotty patronising comment => gets owned => Takes ball away.

In relation to that original comment:

Anyone with a driving license should know full well that a pedestrian in the road has priority over all other road users.

Perhaps that's why so many cyclists ignore that rule. Perhaps we need a theory test and license for cyclists too.....?
We should start with flushing the naive green wasters out of the city. Why would anyone be so stupid to assume that the intelligent majority in Brighton know sweet FA?

Then that sums up the greens. A collective - if they actually are - of silly Marxist wasters

Laughable and HJarrs is their silly, silly spokesperson
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvement" to Earwig corner in Lewes a few years ago.[/p][/quote]According to the highway code pedestrians have priority once they have started to cross the road (rule 170 https://www.gov.uk/u sing-the-road-159-to -203/road-junctions- 170-to-183). I think many drivers do not realise this. I await your downvotes[/p][/quote]How patronising I think you underestimate the knowledge and intelligence of the majority of the decent people in Brighton. The sooner you Green wasters are ousted and move on the better for everyone, in the interim, even idiots like you can adjust your thinking and let go over your Marxist theory[/p][/quote]Ahh HJ, no need to be rude, anyway I thought you were the green representative! I've never actually voted for them although I might next time because I like the improvements the've have made. And why exactly is it patronising to point out that most drivers are unaware of the law that gives pedestrians priority ?[/p][/quote]Thick ****. Everyone knows the law, why assume people don't. I agree you were patronising[/p][/quote]Resorting to calling rude names clearly shows you have no better arguments to give. I refuse to take part in that kind of discussion. Goodbye[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha ha, brilliant! Snotty patronising comment => gets owned => Takes ball away. In relation to that original comment: Anyone with a driving license should know full well that a pedestrian in the road has priority over all other road users. Perhaps that's why so many cyclists ignore that rule. Perhaps we need a theory test and license for cyclists too.....?[/p][/quote]We should start with flushing the naive green wasters out of the city. Why would anyone be so stupid to assume that the intelligent majority in Brighton know sweet FA? Then that sums up the greens. A collective - if they actually are - of silly Marxist wasters Laughable and HJarrs is their silly, silly spokesperson Somethingsarejustwrong

6:13pm Wed 1 Jan 14

her professional says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy.

All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with.

In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public.

As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual).

The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....
Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy. All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with. In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public. As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual). The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....[/p][/quote]Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected. her professional

6:22pm Wed 1 Jan 14

cynic_the says...

her professional wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy.

All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with.

In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public.

As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual).

The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....
Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected.
Not perfect, but considerably better where I live.

The recession is probably the main culprit to be honest, but you'd think that with a 'Green' council, this sort of thing would be a high priority.

Of course when I sold my car and bought a bike, i became reliant on the state to remove my rubbish and recycling.... Now i feel like a bit of a prat when the bins are overflowing and I can't drive anything to the tip : (
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy. All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with. In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public. As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual). The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....[/p][/quote]Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected.[/p][/quote]Not perfect, but considerably better where I live. The recession is probably the main culprit to be honest, but you'd think that with a 'Green' council, this sort of thing would be a high priority. Of course when I sold my car and bought a bike, i became reliant on the state to remove my rubbish and recycling.... Now i feel like a bit of a prat when the bins are overflowing and I can't drive anything to the tip : ( cynic_the

6:55pm Wed 1 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

cynic_the wrote:
her professional wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
cynic_the wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati"....

You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"?

I assume you don't work in PR....?
We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in.

No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister.

The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.
@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy.

All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with.

In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public.

As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual).

The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....
Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected.
Not perfect, but considerably better where I live.

The recession is probably the main culprit to be honest, but you'd think that with a 'Green' council, this sort of thing would be a high priority.

Of course when I sold my car and bought a bike, i became reliant on the state to remove my rubbish and recycling.... Now i feel like a bit of a prat when the bins are overflowing and I can't drive anything to the tip : (
Oh how the people moan -

- Look its not the councils problem that waste is accumulating and no one knows what is going on. We just do cycle paths and bus lanes.

Bring on Brighton ghetto.
[quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynic_the[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]I love when you, an apparent Green enthusiast, refer to people that post on here as "The Moanerati".... You do realise that in a lot of cases, an equally appropriate term would be "Local Residents", and in 18 months time "Voters"? I assume you don't work in PR....?[/p][/quote]We are all local residents and voters. Sadly, the Argus comments section is too often dominated by people who seem to want to do our amazing city down by criticising even the most mild of progressive ideas. To build a new cycle lane, bus lane or a little pedestrianisation seems akin to the Third World War. They would only be happy if most of the city were flattened to become a free car park. These people would not vote for a progressive party in a million years. They also do not represent the views of the dynamic community we live in. No I don't work in PR, I have a proper job pushing a cursor around a screen. I suppose that rules me out from becoming Prime Minister. The new roundabout looks far better than its predecessor and I had no problems driving round it.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - what you don't seem to realize is that all most residents want is a council that keeps the streets clean and takes the rubbish away and does so in an economical way. Next they should help encourage business and tourism to bring money into the local economy. All the rest is optional and really up to central government to deal with. In Brighton & Hove we have a council that screws up the basics big time and seems to concentrate on the progressive, but non-essential, activities that whilst being idealistic, tend to not help the greater ratevpaying public. As can be seen by the feedback on your first post, you are now totally derided and IMHO your postings actually do more to enhance the negative feeling in this city towards the green party. The initial article was quite positive towards the council, but you have ruined the message (as usual). The greens would actually do a lot better if you just stopped your amateurish PR activities and went back to your proper job "pushing a cursor around the screen". Unless, of course, the greens want to intentionally lose the next election.....[/p][/quote]Of course, bin emptying was perfect before the Greens were elected.[/p][/quote]Not perfect, but considerably better where I live. The recession is probably the main culprit to be honest, but you'd think that with a 'Green' council, this sort of thing would be a high priority. Of course when I sold my car and bought a bike, i became reliant on the state to remove my rubbish and recycling.... Now i feel like a bit of a prat when the bins are overflowing and I can't drive anything to the tip : ([/p][/quote]Oh how the people moan - - Look its not the councils problem that waste is accumulating and no one knows what is going on. We just do cycle paths and bus lanes. Bring on Brighton ghetto. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

10:28am Thu 2 Jan 14

Idontbelieveit1948 says...

HJarrs wrote:
Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....
Hugh Jarrs appears to be going for some kind of record on the negative votes.

Ever considered safety minded people are now avoiding the area thanks to these less than safe and very costly changes
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: Something for the Argus moanerati to get their teeth into....[/p][/quote]Hugh Jarrs appears to be going for some kind of record on the negative votes. Ever considered safety minded people are now avoiding the area thanks to these less than safe and very costly changes Idontbelieveit1948

3:58pm Sat 4 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

Somethingsarejustwro
ng
wrote:
ourcoalition wrote:
This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!).

The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day.

But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic.

Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning!
No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike?

I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves
Why dont you get on a bike mush, BIG MOUTH,
[quote][p][bold]Somethingsarejustwro ng[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: This is a serious comment (need to say this as some of those above just aren't!). The traffic flow is much better - I drive through the Dials several times a day. But, with no railings, pedestrians frequently (approx., one time in every four, that I drive through), are walking across at the top of the road, not on the crossing - easy to see when you approach the Dials, but not so easy when exiting, as you are concentrating on the traffic. Not sure what can be done about this, but it is a bit concerning![/p][/quote]No wonder the city is congested if idiots like you are out on the roads all the time. Why not get on a bike? I will treat your post with the contempt it deserves[/p][/quote]Why dont you get on a bike mush, BIG MOUTH, ARMANA

12:35am Mon 6 Jan 14

Roundbill says...

Can I just interject here and remind you all that you have work in the morning?
Can I just interject here and remind you all that you have work in the morning? Roundbill

2:09am Mon 6 Jan 14

IShouldoftriedharder says...

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! wrote:
gheese77 wrote:
Sussex jim wrote:
According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis



ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers?
Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area?
It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvementLooks like Somethingsarejustwro
ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra traction to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself.
[quote][p][bold]I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex jim[/bold] wrote: According to your picture it is a simple roundabout,as before. It was never a problem to me in the past when it was a smaller roundabout. Do pedestrians now have priority over vehicular traffic in order to cross to the central refuge(they could have done that before); or is the new tree-obstructing-vis ibility plaza to become a haven for street drinkers? Or have the traffic signals on the approaches been deliberately re-phased to discourage motor traffic from using this area? It seems to me that this £800000 project has just wasted money, like the £300 000 "improvementLooks like Somethingsarejustwro ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra traction to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself. IShouldoftriedharder

2:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

IShouldoftriedharder says...

Looks like Somethingsarejustwro
ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra weight to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself.
Looks like Somethingsarejustwro ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra weight to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself. IShouldoftriedharder

2:12am Mon 6 Jan 14

IShouldoftriedharder says...

Looks like Somethingsarejustwro
ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra weight to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself.
Looks like Somethingsarejustwro ng has signed in with another of his many other user names. Why do you need so many? Your views are pretty well received on here. You don't need to add extra weight to your opinion. Have some confidence in yourself. IShouldoftriedharder

1:32pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Tring says...

Looks much better than it did and it's much safer to cycle around.
Looks much better than it did and it's much safer to cycle around. Tring

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