Truck breakdowns hit Brighton and Hove rubbish collections

The Argus: Truck breakdowns hit Brighton and Hove rubbish collections Truck breakdowns hit Brighton and Hove rubbish collections

Rubbish has been piling up in the city’s streets for up to two weeks after a council’s refuse and recycling trucks broke down.

Some residents across Brighton and Hove have not had their rubbish collected by Brighton and Hove City Council contractors Cityclean because of problems with various collection vehicles.

It has meant some households have not had their pre and post-Christmas waste collected since December 17.


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Brighton and Hove City Council said having broken-down vehicles “wasn’t unusual” and admitted it was running behind with rubbish collections – but it was “catching up quickly”.

Ronald Grice, 82, of the Ingram Crescent Estate in Hove, said foxes were gathering each night outside his house as piles of waste continue to build.

He added: “Me and my neighbours are all in the same boat. We don’t know what’s going on. You call up but only get an answering machine. No one calls you back when you leave your name and number.

“There are turkey carcasses and all sorts building up.

“We’re definitely not getting what we pay our council tax for.”

Trevor Woolven, 52, of Cuckmere Way in Hollingbury, said: “My rubbish was last collected on December 19 and I’ve been told it won’t be picked up again until January 4 because two trucks have broken down.

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“It’s piling up outsidemyhouse and in my street and it’s all the waste from over the Christmas period – so there’s a lot.

“The foxes and seagulls are having a field day. They take 4% of our council tax to choose when and where they collect the rubbish and it’s not good enough.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said: “We have vehicles breaking down all the time which is not unusual and happens throughout the year.

“We are collecting every day other than bank holidays and are running behind but catching up as quickly as we can so there will be collections before January 4.

“We went to Ingram Crescent Estate on Tuesday morning but the vehicle broke down so we will return as soon as we can.”

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10:11am Thu 2 Jan 14

FC says...

LOL - if they're not striking illegally, they're sitting around pretending to fix their trucks! All seems a little convenient to me............
LOL - if they're not striking illegally, they're sitting around pretending to fix their trucks! All seems a little convenient to me............ FC

10:13am Thu 2 Jan 14

bluemonday says...

with these continuous problems with waste collections it's about time people started disgarding there waste properly,break down boxes and flattening them would help enormously,instead of just sticking them in the bin,where they take up a lot of room.but hey.lets just blame everybody else for rubbish strewn streets
with these continuous problems with waste collections it's about time people started disgarding there waste properly,break down boxes and flattening them would help enormously,instead of just sticking them in the bin,where they take up a lot of room.but hey.lets just blame everybody else for rubbish strewn streets bluemonday

11:09am Thu 2 Jan 14

Brighton Living says...

Year right is that all the management could come up with, maybe they should try talking to the rubbish collectors as they seem to think its because the routes keep being changed and this is leading to drivers not covering all the collections. Just saying...........
Year right is that all the management could come up with, maybe they should try talking to the rubbish collectors as they seem to think its because the routes keep being changed and this is leading to drivers not covering all the collections. Just saying........... Brighton Living

11:28am Thu 2 Jan 14

NickBtn says...

The size of the bins need increasing. They just about manage when collections are done on time but after a few days break and in addition missed collections (we were a fortnight between collections) then people put rubbish in bags alongside. That gets ripped open by animals creating even more mess. So if the council can't collect regularly and on time then give us all larger bins to allow for this
The size of the bins need increasing. They just about manage when collections are done on time but after a few days break and in addition missed collections (we were a fortnight between collections) then people put rubbish in bags alongside. That gets ripped open by animals creating even more mess. So if the council can't collect regularly and on time then give us all larger bins to allow for this NickBtn

11:32am Thu 2 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Though I agree that people should minimise the space their rubbish takes up, where possible, that has very little to do with the shambles our council has made of it all. There is no doubt that there are serious issues within the refuse and recycling service. The time to sort this out is well and truly here.
I suggest the council gets its nose out of the excuses books and starts addressing matters.
Though I agree that people should minimise the space their rubbish takes up, where possible, that has very little to do with the shambles our council has made of it all. There is no doubt that there are serious issues within the refuse and recycling service. The time to sort this out is well and truly here. I suggest the council gets its nose out of the excuses books and starts addressing matters. mimseycal

11:35am Thu 2 Jan 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service.
This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service. getThisCoalitionOut

11:47am Thu 2 Jan 14

pachallis says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service.
What private contractors? Do you mean Cityclean - the wholly owned subsidiary of BHCC and run by the GMB?

I assume the Cityclean operatives will be losing their £1200 bonus for missing collection targets?
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service.[/p][/quote]What private contractors? Do you mean Cityclean - the wholly owned subsidiary of BHCC and run by the GMB? I assume the Cityclean operatives will be losing their £1200 bonus for missing collection targets? pachallis

11:55am Thu 2 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals. HJarrs

11:57am Thu 2 Jan 14

shining star says...

Why give excuse after excuse, excuses will run out eventually. If a person kept failing to turn up for work giving all the excuses that this lot keep giving, then that person would eventually be sacked! Why don't they just come clean, (no pun intended), and declare themselves and their staff incompetent. THEN say they are trying to rectify that problem.
Why give excuse after excuse, excuses will run out eventually. If a person kept failing to turn up for work giving all the excuses that this lot keep giving, then that person would eventually be sacked! Why don't they just come clean, (no pun intended), and declare themselves and their staff incompetent. THEN say they are trying to rectify that problem. shining star

12:11pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Gardenboy says...

I guess it was sabotage by the binmen to put there trucks out of action, so they can start 2014 in the same way they have carried on throughout 2013..... shameful!!
I guess it was sabotage by the binmen to put there trucks out of action, so they can start 2014 in the same way they have carried on throughout 2013..... shameful!! Gardenboy

1:12pm Thu 2 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you. All 9 of me

2:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
@HJarrs - I agree with you that there should be a reliable back-up plan - but what are Cityclean and BHCC actually doing about this?

Perhaps Cityclean and BHCC should purchase some more wagons (n+1 redundancy) and/or hire some from a private company when needed?

Who owns the wagons? Who maintains them? What are the causes of the breakdowns and what is being done to prevent recurrences?

Seems to me that Cityclean and BHCC are just standing around complaining that the trucks have broken down and expecting the residents to make do.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]@HJarrs - I agree with you that there should be a reliable back-up plan - but what are Cityclean and BHCC actually doing about this? Perhaps Cityclean and BHCC should purchase some more wagons (n+1 redundancy) and/or hire some from a private company when needed? Who owns the wagons? Who maintains them? What are the causes of the breakdowns and what is being done to prevent recurrences? Seems to me that Cityclean and BHCC are just standing around complaining that the trucks have broken down and expecting the residents to make do. pachallis

3:46pm Thu 2 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth.

I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again!
[quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.[/p][/quote]Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth. I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again! HJarrs

4:11pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Again, whilst having no objection to holding residents accountable for ensuring they dispose of their waste in a responsible manner, that has little to do with the fact that the Council and its Refuse and Recycling service are definitely falling short time and again.

You can blame binmen/women, you can blame seagulls and foxes, you can blame thin bags, you can blame all that and more. However there is no getting away from the fact that Brighton & Hove City Council has the statutory duty to collect the refuse and organise the recycling. It has failed to do so efficiently time and again since the summer of the great stand-off.

So let us stop trying to deflect the debate. The fact remains that refuse is not being collected and has not been collected properly for a long time. Sort it out Brighton & Hove City! You have the statutory duty, you have the funds, you sort out your processes and procedures, get your act together and the rubbish off our streets!
Again, whilst having no objection to holding residents accountable for ensuring they dispose of their waste in a responsible manner, that has little to do with the fact that the Council and its Refuse and Recycling service are definitely falling short time and again. You can blame binmen/women, you can blame seagulls and foxes, you can blame thin bags, you can blame all that and more. However there is no getting away from the fact that Brighton & Hove City Council has the statutory duty to collect the refuse and organise the recycling. It has failed to do so efficiently time and again since the summer of the great stand-off. So let us stop trying to deflect the debate. The fact remains that refuse is not being collected and has not been collected properly for a long time. Sort it out Brighton & Hove City! You have the statutory duty, you have the funds, you sort out your processes and procedures, get your act together and the rubbish off our streets! mimseycal

4:13pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pachallis says...

HJarrs wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth.

I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again!
@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags.

The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners.

I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement?

Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.[/p][/quote]Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth. I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags. The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners. I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement? Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for? pachallis

5:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

HJarrs wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth.

I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again!
no, just being a t00l, as per usual ...
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.[/p][/quote]Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth. I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again![/p][/quote]no, just being a t00l, as per usual ... All 9 of me

5:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

HJarrs says...

pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth.

I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again!
@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags.

The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners.

I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement?

Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for?
I don't necessarily disagree generally, but round my way not everyone has a wheelie bin and they obstruct the pavement on some streets. Also, communal bins have been rejected in some parts.

I worry that communal bins and wheelie bins make avoiding recycling much easier, particularly as the recycling collection is hit and miss. I would prefer ultimately to move to clear rip-resistant bags as is happening in some parts of Germany for example.
[quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.[/p][/quote]Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth. I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags. The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners. I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement? Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for?[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily disagree generally, but round my way not everyone has a wheelie bin and they obstruct the pavement on some streets. Also, communal bins have been rejected in some parts. I worry that communal bins and wheelie bins make avoiding recycling much easier, particularly as the recycling collection is hit and miss. I would prefer ultimately to move to clear rip-resistant bags as is happening in some parts of Germany for example. HJarrs

7:01pm Thu 2 Jan 14

We are the 99% says...

Here we go again!
Yet more excuses!
Truck breakdowns?
What? All of them?
Come on!
Something stinks here?
And you wonder why I am damned if I'll give these people a 'drink' at Christmas?
Why should I?
I rarely get a weekly rubbish collection, yet all we ever get, is excuse after excuse!
Yet we PAY FOR THIS inconsistent service dearly!
Here we go again! Yet more excuses! Truck breakdowns? What? All of them? Come on! Something stinks here? And you wonder why I am damned if I'll give these people a 'drink' at Christmas? Why should I? I rarely get a weekly rubbish collection, yet all we ever get, is excuse after excuse! Yet we PAY FOR THIS inconsistent service dearly! We are the 99%

7:04pm Thu 2 Jan 14

We are the 99% says...

NickBtn wrote:
The size of the bins need increasing. They just about manage when collections are done on time but after a few days break and in addition missed collections (we were a fortnight between collections) then people put rubbish in bags alongside. That gets ripped open by animals creating even more mess. So if the council can't collect regularly and on time then give us all larger bins to allow for this
No! No! No!
Just empty the **** bins!
[quote][p][bold]NickBtn[/bold] wrote: The size of the bins need increasing. They just about manage when collections are done on time but after a few days break and in addition missed collections (we were a fortnight between collections) then people put rubbish in bags alongside. That gets ripped open by animals creating even more mess. So if the council can't collect regularly and on time then give us all larger bins to allow for this[/p][/quote]No! No! No! Just empty the **** bins! We are the 99%

7:44pm Thu 2 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
How about in Brighton - Your stories about London are not relevant to this site?
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]How about in Brighton - Your stories about London are not relevant to this site? I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

7:45pm Thu 2 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

getThisCoalitionOut wrote:
This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service.
Idiot
[quote][p][bold]getThisCoalitionOut[/bold] wrote: This is what happens when councils use private contractors who are more interested in making a profit than providing a proper service.[/p][/quote]Idiot I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

7:50pm Thu 2 Jan 14

I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars! says...

HJarrs wrote:
pachallis wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All 9 of me wrote:
HJarrs wrote:
All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services.

As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.
You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.
Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth.

I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again!
@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags.

The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners.

I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement?

Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for?
I don't necessarily disagree generally, but round my way not everyone has a wheelie bin and they obstruct the pavement on some streets. Also, communal bins have been rejected in some parts.

I worry that communal bins and wheelie bins make avoiding recycling much easier, particularly as the recycling collection is hit and miss. I would prefer ultimately to move to clear rip-resistant bags as is happening in some parts of Germany for example.
Yes - its great telling us about your experience in London, but we all live in Brighton and the Greens are failing miserably here to deliver even the basics.
[quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pachallis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]All 9 of me[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HJarrs[/bold] wrote: All the years I have lived in the City there have been too many problems with the refuse and recycling services. As the spokesperson says, bin wagons are always breaking down, in which case there should be a reliable back-up plan. People should not have to wait weeks for rubbish and recycling to be picked up. Also, householders should do their bit and dispose of rubbish sensibly and so that bags are not easily ripped up by animals.[/p][/quote]You are so full of the brown stuff you should not bother posting here, everything you say gets ridiculed and dismissed as marxist fantasy. Go away and take the rest of the greens with you.[/p][/quote]Touched a nerve there! Is putting out your rubbish sensibly and having it collected in a timely manner Marxist? There are a lot of Marxists about then as it seems to be a common desire. I have not read any Marx, the moanerati always rabbit on about this, but I have no idea, they seem to be the experts and a bit obsessed. If you want to label then a democratic Galbraithian or Steglitzian may be nearer the truth. I can't believe the thinness of the bin bags that some people use. The seagulls and foxes just rip straight into them. I have found using a thicker bag has stopped problems, double bagging in peak season. I note there are also rip proof bags that have been developed. Oops being Marxist again![/p][/quote]@HJarrs - but if the rubbish were collected on time and sufficient rubbish bins and recycling bins were provided then we wouldn't need to double bag or have rip proof bags. The wheely bins and communal bins are perfectly adequate as pest-proof receptacles and so residents don't normally need to provide anything more than single bin liners. I thought that that was one of the reasons we were provided with the bins instead of the previous policy of collecting bin bags from the pavement? Perhaps if BHCC and Cityclean could provide suitable bags for residents to cope when their operatives are unable to deliver the basic service they are paid for?[/p][/quote]I don't necessarily disagree generally, but round my way not everyone has a wheelie bin and they obstruct the pavement on some streets. Also, communal bins have been rejected in some parts. I worry that communal bins and wheelie bins make avoiding recycling much easier, particularly as the recycling collection is hit and miss. I would prefer ultimately to move to clear rip-resistant bags as is happening in some parts of Germany for example.[/p][/quote]Yes - its great telling us about your experience in London, but we all live in Brighton and the Greens are failing miserably here to deliver even the basics. I'm H Jarrs and I can't stand cars!

9:18pm Thu 2 Jan 14

scuba1 says...

bluemonday wrote:
with these continuous problems with waste collections it's about time people started disgarding there waste properly,break down boxes and flattening them would help enormously,instead of just sticking them in the bin,where they take up a lot of room.but hey.lets just blame everybody else for rubbish strewn streets
Good god what planet are you on ?
[quote][p][bold]bluemonday[/bold] wrote: with these continuous problems with waste collections it's about time people started disgarding there waste properly,break down boxes and flattening them would help enormously,instead of just sticking them in the bin,where they take up a lot of room.but hey.lets just blame everybody else for rubbish strewn streets[/p][/quote]Good god what planet are you on ? scuba1

4:30pm Fri 3 Jan 14

jimpy762 says...

Double bagging doesn't sound particularly green or environment friendly Hjarrs. Could be argued you're talking out of your trousers again.
Double bagging doesn't sound particularly green or environment friendly Hjarrs. Could be argued you're talking out of your trousers again. jimpy762

11:03am Tue 7 Jan 14

Richada says...

Oddly enough, when I finally got through to them by phone on Friday (3.1.14), the person I spoke to made no reference to broken down vehicles. The only explaination he offered me was that they were suffering from a "chronic staff shortage".

Stranger still is that this staff shortage has not affected colleagues of mine who live in Patcham and Rottingdean, both of whom have had two collections since Christmas!

Chronic shortage of organisational skills more like it.........

Never mind, now we've all turned green - looking at and smelling our three week old rotting rubbish.

A very happy New Year from Brighton & Hove Council - serving the citizens of our once proud city.
Oddly enough, when I finally got through to them by phone on Friday (3.1.14), the person I spoke to made no reference to broken down vehicles. The only explaination he offered me was that they were suffering from a "chronic staff shortage". Stranger still is that this staff shortage has not affected colleagues of mine who live in Patcham and Rottingdean, both of whom have had two collections since Christmas! Chronic shortage of organisational skills more like it......... Never mind, now we've all turned green - looking at and smelling our three week old rotting rubbish. A very happy New Year from Brighton & Hove Council - serving the citizens of our once proud city. Richada

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