Worthing councillor ‘abuses power’ trying to get into New Year's Eve party

Worthing councillor ‘abuses power’ trying to get into New Year's Eve party

Worthing councillor ‘abuses power’ trying to get into New Year's Eve party

First published in News by , Local government reporter

A councillor has apologised for threatening to boycott a pub after being turned away from its New Year’s Eve party – despite asking: “Do you not know who I am?”

Worthing borough councillor Vicky Vaughan asked The Wandering Goose in Marine Parade, Worthing, to let her in for free even though it had a strict ticket-only policy after 6pm on December 31.

After a manager refused her entry, the Conservative councillor, who is also vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee, resorted to writing: “I swore I would never say – do you know who I am – but this is important”.


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With the private conversation being posted online under the headline of “tickets are in demand – even ‘important’ people resorting to bribery”, residents have reacted angrily to the apparent abuse of a public position.

But the Tory councillor has told The Argus she apologises for the comments which she claims were taken out of context.

Coun Vaughan said: “I’m disappointed that private messages were printed this way. I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour before we had dinner at Brio Pizzeria [next door] at 9pm.”

She added: “It’s just not my style and I’m very cross with myself.”

A post in the pub’s name on Facebook said: “It was a bit surprising to be put in a position where someone was using their public role to put me in a position where I felt compelled to grant the request, but I’m not like that.

“It is, unfortunately a sad reflection of all political positions, whatever the level, that power (however small) affects people.”

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Writing in response, Coun Vaughan, who has lived in the town since 1997, said: “I support businesses that treat customers fairly and don’t reprint customers’ texts out of context.”

Following the Facebook post, Alex Culvert wrote: “She holds a public office, she is a disgrace and an embarrassment to us all.

“Asking a landlord to break the rules and have extra people in his pub is totally shameful.”

Stephanie Hurst added: “Actually in shock reading this.”

The pub, which opened in November, is run by Nathan Wright, former landlord of The Geese Have Gone Over The Water in Southover Street, Brighton.

Worthing Borough Council leader Paul Yallop told The Argus: “I certainly would not condone somebody in public office expecting any favours.”

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7:24am Fri 3 Jan 14

Eddddd27 says...

“I swore I would never say – do you know who I am – but this is important”.

Hilarious.
“I swore I would never say – do you know who I am – but this is important”. Hilarious. Eddddd27
  • Score: 59

7:40am Fri 3 Jan 14

Sussex jim says...

If anyone says to me "do you know who I am?" I will simply call out to others present "Can someone help this poor lady/gentleman? She/he seems to have lost her/his memory!"
If anyone says to me "do you know who I am?" I will simply call out to others present "Can someone help this poor lady/gentleman? She/he seems to have lost her/his memory!" Sussex jim
  • Score: 61

9:00am Fri 3 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

A nobody, defending the fact that she is a nobody.
That's why people become councillors, to try and prove they are somebody and they never have any success.
A nobody, defending the fact that she is a nobody. That's why people become councillors, to try and prove they are somebody and they never have any success. ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 53

9:01am Fri 3 Jan 14

The Prophet of Doom says...

Self-important oaf.
Self-important oaf. The Prophet of Doom
  • Score: 40

9:41am Fri 3 Jan 14

Tailgaters Anonymous says...

Plus ca change!!
Is that a duck house I see floating past the window?
Plus ca change!! Is that a duck house I see floating past the window? Tailgaters Anonymous
  • Score: 16

10:30am Fri 3 Jan 14

Ambo Guy says...

Anyone who feels they have to say 'Do you know who I am?' is usually a nobody......just like this useless bint.
Anyone who feels they have to say 'Do you know who I am?' is usually a nobody......just like this useless bint. Ambo Guy
  • Score: 45

10:54am Fri 3 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".
What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour". mimseycal
  • Score: 35

11:06am Fri 3 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys
i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys whatevernext2013
  • Score: 26

11:24am Fri 3 Jan 14

Crystal Ball says...

Aren't Councilors in public office supposed to serve the public rather than the other way around?

Perhaps she is the kind of person who barges to the front of a supermarket queue vacuously announcing "Do you know who I am?"?
Aren't Councilors in public office supposed to serve the public rather than the other way around? Perhaps she is the kind of person who barges to the front of a supermarket queue vacuously announcing "Do you know who I am?"? Crystal Ball
  • Score: 30

11:36am Fri 3 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys
That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys[/p][/quote]That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience. mimseycal
  • Score: 15

12:03pm Fri 3 Jan 14

gheese77 says...

Do you know who I am ? yes a worthing borough councillor. Hardly president of the united states is it
Do you know who I am ? yes a worthing borough councillor. Hardly president of the united states is it gheese77
  • Score: 23

12:35pm Fri 3 Jan 14

notaconspiracy says...

Er, no, luv, nobody knows who you are!
Er, no, luv, nobody knows who you are! notaconspiracy
  • Score: 33

12:44pm Fri 3 Jan 14

ourcoalition says...

Dismissal offence if she was a local authority employee.
Dismissal offence if she was a local authority employee. ourcoalition
  • Score: 25

1:08pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Vigilia says...

“Do you not know who I am?”
Stock phrase of a nobody. Poor delusional girl.
“Do you not know who I am?” Stock phrase of a nobody. Poor delusional girl. Vigilia
  • Score: 25

2:21pm Fri 3 Jan 14

clarkebrighton says...

She Should be SACKED and NOW, and to think she is on the Licensing Committee, Who the hell does she think she is.
She Should be SACKED and NOW, and to think she is on the Licensing Committee, Who the hell does she think she is. clarkebrighton
  • Score: 28

2:26pm Fri 3 Jan 14

idsstinks says...

Far be it for me to stick up for councillors but why is it acceptable for pubs to charge for tickets just because its the end of the year- maybe during times of austerity pubs could show some generous spirit, or don't they want poor people bringing their establishmennt into disrepute? I have never paid to drink in a pub i think its a cheek to ask, their profits come from the overpriced beer and crisps they sell to ask for more is greedy. infact I would boycott any place that does.As for the councillor- ha bloody ha-
Far be it for me to stick up for councillors but why is it acceptable for pubs to charge for tickets just because its the end of the year- maybe during times of austerity pubs could show some generous spirit, or don't they want poor people bringing their establishmennt into disrepute? I have never paid to drink in a pub i think its a cheek to ask, their profits come from the overpriced beer and crisps they sell to ask for more is greedy. infact I would boycott any place that does.As for the councillor- ha bloody ha- idsstinks
  • Score: 2

2:52pm Fri 3 Jan 14

medianscore says...

Vicky Vaughan:

Another trumped up Councillor leech at the tax payer's expense. Has a Mickey Mouse qualification ie Diploma in Marketing.

Do we know who you are? We do now and if Broadwater voters have any sense, it's bye, bye Vicky Vaughan at the next local election.
Vicky Vaughan: Another trumped up Councillor leech at the tax payer's expense. Has a Mickey Mouse qualification ie Diploma in Marketing. Do we know who you are? We do now and if Broadwater voters have any sense, it's bye, bye Vicky Vaughan at the next local election. medianscore
  • Score: 23

3:03pm Fri 3 Jan 14

one law for them says...

There needs to be an investigation, it looks like this person is the latest 'trumped up' local official committing malfeasance.

Resign!!!
There needs to be an investigation, it looks like this person is the latest 'trumped up' local official committing malfeasance. Resign!!! one law for them
  • Score: 17

5:20pm Fri 3 Jan 14

I can't believe it says...

If she really wanted everyone to know who she is - this is a sure way to do it!
If she really wanted everyone to know who she is - this is a sure way to do it! I can't believe it
  • Score: 12

5:40pm Fri 3 Jan 14

John Steed says...

a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them
a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them John Steed
  • Score: -5

6:19pm Fri 3 Jan 14

All 9 of me says...

3 words can sum it up - horrible looking b1tch.
3 words can sum it up - horrible looking b1tch. All 9 of me
  • Score: -1

6:31pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Chieftain11 says...

I hope Mr Yallop had asked for an explanation from this councillor before commenting officially as the leader of Worthing Borough Council ?
I hope Mr Yallop had asked for an explanation from this councillor before commenting officially as the leader of Worthing Borough Council ? Chieftain11
  • Score: 8

6:37pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Chieftain11 says...

one law for them wrote:
There needs to be an investigation, it looks like this person is the latest 'trumped up' local official committing malfeasance.

Resign!!!
No evidence exists at present to support your assumptions but your point is well made regarding the need for an internal investigation.
[quote][p][bold]one law for them[/bold] wrote: There needs to be an investigation, it looks like this person is the latest 'trumped up' local official committing malfeasance. Resign!!![/p][/quote]No evidence exists at present to support your assumptions but your point is well made regarding the need for an internal investigation. Chieftain11
  • Score: -2

11:04pm Fri 3 Jan 14

hubby says...

Eddddd27 wrote:
“I swore I would never say – do you know who I am – but this is important”.

Hilarious.
What's the point of power if you can't abuse it?
[quote][p][bold]Eddddd27[/bold] wrote: “I swore I would never say – do you know who I am – but this is important”. Hilarious.[/p][/quote]What's the point of power if you can't abuse it? hubby
  • Score: 0

11:33pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken.

A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved.

I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money.
No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken. A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved. I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money. Gribbet
  • Score: -7

12:23am Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

Gribbet wrote:
No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken.

A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved.

I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money.
Fair enough ... take issue with pubs charging for entry of New Years Eve. But you don't go and try and get in without a ticket at a ticketed event.
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken. A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved. I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money.[/p][/quote]Fair enough ... take issue with pubs charging for entry of New Years Eve. But you don't go and try and get in without a ticket at a ticketed event. mimseycal
  • Score: 5

1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

mimseycal wrote:
Gribbet wrote:
No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken.

A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved.

I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money.
Fair enough ... take issue with pubs charging for entry of New Years Eve. But you don't go and try and get in without a ticket at a ticketed event.
The words she used were a bit desperate and I'd agree if she was trying to break in, or sneak in, but in general I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to talk your way out of being charged to get in to a pub on NYE. Nothing ventured nothing gained, it's well worth a try I reckon.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: No one died, no one got hurt, nothing was stolen, nothing got damaged, didn't get violent, no one got abused, no drugs or sleazy sex involved, no laws broken. A bit snotty doing the whole 'do you know who I am', but I would deem this more a case of a person just trying their luck on NYE than someone 'abusing power'. Strange how this can make people so angry, especially people who weren't even involved. I also refuse to pay to get in to a pub on NYE. People normally get angry with being overcharged for stuff (e.g. parking), so I'd have thought a few more people might take issue here with the way pubs like to charge customers on NYE these days for nothing other than the privilege to come inside and spend more money.[/p][/quote]Fair enough ... take issue with pubs charging for entry of New Years Eve. But you don't go and try and get in without a ticket at a ticketed event.[/p][/quote]The words she used were a bit desperate and I'd agree if she was trying to break in, or sneak in, but in general I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to talk your way out of being charged to get in to a pub on NYE. Nothing ventured nothing gained, it's well worth a try I reckon. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

1:39am Sat 4 Jan 14

Take it Personally says...

LOL!!! what a tw4t!
anyone who ever uses that phrase “Do you not know who I am?” deserves to be shamed and humiliated and being in public office she should lose her job for abusing her silly little position (I can't stop laughing!)
LOL!!! what a tw4t! anyone who ever uses that phrase “Do you not know who I am?” deserves to be shamed and humiliated and being in public office she should lose her job for abusing her silly little position (I can't stop laughing!) Take it Personally
  • Score: 6

2:20am Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

@ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14

This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'.

As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic.
@ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14 This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'. As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic. mimseycal
  • Score: 9

3:07am Sat 4 Jan 14

Gribbet says...

mimseycal wrote:
@ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14

This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'.

As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic.
Yeah, as I said, she's not the brightest for her choice of words, but for all the public over-reaction, no actual harm has come out of this. It's small potatoes at the end of the day and how can it be called abuse of power if she doesn't really have any power to abuse in the first place?

Ironically it's exactly the same propensity the British public have to get angry and over-react to trivial things like this that has caused the whole golliwog-gate situation. I don't think anyone actually believes in their heart that the woman is a racist. Both situations are the same in that they are the result of a publicised momentary poor choice of words, followed by disproportionate levels of public anger.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14 This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'. As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic.[/p][/quote]Yeah, as I said, she's not the brightest for her choice of words, but for all the public over-reaction, no actual harm has come out of this. It's small potatoes at the end of the day and how can it be called abuse of power if she doesn't really have any power to abuse in the first place? Ironically it's exactly the same propensity the British public have to get angry and over-react to trivial things like this that has caused the whole golliwog-gate situation. I don't think anyone actually believes in their heart that the woman is a racist. Both situations are the same in that they are the result of a publicised momentary poor choice of words, followed by disproportionate levels of public anger. Gribbet
  • Score: -1

3:23am Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

No harm yet. That is the best we can say at this point. Considering this happened on 31st December 2013 and we are just into the early hours of 4th January 2014.
No harm yet. That is the best we can say at this point. Considering this happened on 31st December 2013 and we are just into the early hours of 4th January 2014. mimseycal
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Sat 4 Jan 14

FatherTed11 says...

mimseycal wrote:
No harm yet. That is the best we can say at this point. Considering this happened on 31st December 2013 and we are just into the early hours of 4th January 2014.
At least the Argus aren't using their 'BREAKING NEWS' banner on this article.

Also, who the hell are Alex Culvert and Stephanie Hurst? They must be important if the Argus has added their opinions to the article?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: No harm yet. That is the best we can say at this point. Considering this happened on 31st December 2013 and we are just into the early hours of 4th January 2014.[/p][/quote]At least the Argus aren't using their 'BREAKING NEWS' banner on this article. Also, who the hell are Alex Culvert and Stephanie Hurst? They must be important if the Argus has added their opinions to the article? FatherTed11
  • Score: 1

2:03pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

I assume that Alex Culvert and Stephanie Hurst are members of the public who voiced their opinion. Members of the public should be important especially to elected officials as it is members of the public who will, or not as the case might be, elect them at the next round of vote casting.
I assume that Alex Culvert and Stephanie Hurst are members of the public who voiced their opinion. Members of the public should be important especially to elected officials as it is members of the public who will, or not as the case might be, elect them at the next round of vote casting. mimseycal
  • Score: -3

2:21pm Sat 4 Jan 14

one law for them says...

If you agree that people who hold a position of trust should not attempt to use it for personal gain then consider lodging a complaint here:http://www.adur
-worthing.gov.uk/cou
ncillors-and-mps/con
duct/#complain
If you agree that people who hold a position of trust should not attempt to use it for personal gain then consider lodging a complaint here:http://www.adur -worthing.gov.uk/cou ncillors-and-mps/con duct/#complain one law for them
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Sat 4 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

Gribbet wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
@ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14

This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'.

As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic.
Yeah, as I said, she's not the brightest for her choice of words, but for all the public over-reaction, no actual harm has come out of this. It's small potatoes at the end of the day and how can it be called abuse of power if she doesn't really have any power to abuse in the first place?

Ironically it's exactly the same propensity the British public have to get angry and over-react to trivial things like this that has caused the whole golliwog-gate situation. I don't think anyone actually believes in their heart that the woman is a racist. Both situations are the same in that they are the result of a publicised momentary poor choice of words, followed by disproportionate levels of public anger.
oh dear how wrong you are this woman can/could have effected the livelihoods of the owner of this premises ,as she is in a position to stop/block any changes to the units license ,so this is far different to a soft toy story ,this is an abuse of position
[quote][p][bold]Gribbet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: @ Gribbet 1:28am Sat 4 Jan 14 This was a tad more then trying to talk her way in. She clearly thought to use her public standing and her position as vice chairman of Worthing Borough Council’s licensing committee. That is inexcusable and goes beyond 'trying to talk your way in'. As I have had occasion to mention in a previous post on this thread ... Here in Brighton we have had a decent hard working and committed councilor held to account by a panel of her peers for something as innocuous as referring to a pictorial depiction of a Golliwog as nostalgic.[/p][/quote]Yeah, as I said, she's not the brightest for her choice of words, but for all the public over-reaction, no actual harm has come out of this. It's small potatoes at the end of the day and how can it be called abuse of power if she doesn't really have any power to abuse in the first place? Ironically it's exactly the same propensity the British public have to get angry and over-react to trivial things like this that has caused the whole golliwog-gate situation. I don't think anyone actually believes in their heart that the woman is a racist. Both situations are the same in that they are the result of a publicised momentary poor choice of words, followed by disproportionate levels of public anger.[/p][/quote]oh dear how wrong you are this woman can/could have effected the livelihoods of the owner of this premises ,as she is in a position to stop/block any changes to the units license ,so this is far different to a soft toy story ,this is an abuse of position whatevernext2013
  • Score: 9

2:57pm Sat 4 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

John Steed wrote:
a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them
more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS
[quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them[/p][/quote]more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS whatevernext2013
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
John Steed wrote:
a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them
more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS
How sad to see posts attacking commenters rather then actually having anything to contribute to the discussion.

I'm sincerely hoping that we will see less and less of this. A whole thread was effectively blocked by similar senseless posts not too long ago.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them[/p][/quote]more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS[/p][/quote]How sad to see posts attacking commenters rather then actually having anything to contribute to the discussion. I'm sincerely hoping that we will see less and less of this. A whole thread was effectively blocked by similar senseless posts not too long ago. mimseycal
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Sat 4 Jan 14

John Steed says...

whatevernext2013 wrote:
John Steed wrote:
a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them
more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS
totally wrong i am afraid, i have never been banned from a pub in my life, you however are making the frequently made error all to often found on these pages of jumping to erronious conclusion rather that assessing the facts. Happy new year to you.
[quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them[/p][/quote]more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS[/p][/quote]totally wrong i am afraid, i have never been banned from a pub in my life, you however are making the frequently made error all to often found on these pages of jumping to erronious conclusion rather that assessing the facts. Happy new year to you. John Steed
  • Score: -2

5:11pm Sat 4 Jan 14

whatevernext2013 says...

mimseycal wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
John Steed wrote:
a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them
more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS
How sad to see posts attacking commenters rather then actually having anything to contribute to the discussion.

I'm sincerely hoping that we will see less and less of this. A whole thread was effectively blocked by similar senseless posts not too long ago.
how would you know it was a senseless comment ,unless you have dealt with both of us before how would you know
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Steed[/bold] wrote: a true politician, this girl will go far, sadly for her on new years eve she didnt go far enough, she should have gone a bit more up market & popped along to the bar jollybrewers, jolly good cabaret and a decent crowd of people enjoying the evening, as to threatening to boycott a pub, go ahead girl I have happily boycotted a couple of pubs in worthing, or more to the point the useless articles that masquaraded as managers attempting to run them[/p][/quote]more likely you have been banned from them by good managers not willing to put up with your BS[/p][/quote]How sad to see posts attacking commenters rather then actually having anything to contribute to the discussion. I'm sincerely hoping that we will see less and less of this. A whole thread was effectively blocked by similar senseless posts not too long ago.[/p][/quote]how would you know it was a senseless comment ,unless you have dealt with both of us before how would you know whatevernext2013
  • Score: -1

5:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

jja123 says...

mimseycal wrote:
What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".
I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour?
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".[/p][/quote]I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour? jja123
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Sat 4 Jan 14

mimseycal says...

jja123 wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".
I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour?
Maybe she thought that as she was only viewing it as a waiting room till her dinner booking needing a ticket was a tad much.

It matters not really what her reason was. What does matter is that she obviously thought only of her own convenience. Throwing her weight about may well have been a momentary aberration which she sincerely regrets now.
[quote][p][bold]jja123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".[/p][/quote]I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour?[/p][/quote]Maybe she thought that as she was only viewing it as a waiting room till her dinner booking needing a ticket was a tad much. It matters not really what her reason was. What does matter is that she obviously thought only of her own convenience. Throwing her weight about may well have been a momentary aberration which she sincerely regrets now. mimseycal
  • Score: 2

6:50pm Sat 4 Jan 14

clubrob6 says...

Yes we now know who you are so now we know not to vote for you.Just wait and see she will let the dust settle then try to get her own back but we are watching.
Yes we now know who you are so now we know not to vote for you.Just wait and see she will let the dust settle then try to get her own back but we are watching. clubrob6
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Sun 5 Jan 14

ARMANA says...

They should have let her in, give her free drinks all night , & then waited for her to fall flat on her face, then take some pictures for the Argus front page, missed opportunity , !!
They should have let her in, give her free drinks all night , & then waited for her to fall flat on her face, then take some pictures for the Argus front page, missed opportunity , !! ARMANA
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Kirk D says...

Enough to make a UKIP Councillor blush..............I think we know who she is now......Question is, will the electorate remember on election day. She can always remind us...........I'm still voting UKIP.........even though their egos are minuscule by comparison!
Enough to make a UKIP Councillor blush..............I think we know who she is now......Question is, will the electorate remember on election day. She can always remind us...........I'm still voting UKIP.........even though their egos are minuscule by comparison! Kirk D
  • Score: 0

3:09pm Mon 6 Jan 14

GavinShoosmith says...

This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life.
This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life. GavinShoosmith
  • Score: 7

4:57pm Mon 6 Jan 14

one law for them says...

GavinShoosmith wrote:
This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life.
Maybe as a Worthing resident you might feel that the 'Code of Conduct' for WBC councillors was on this recent occasion breached and should raise a formal complaint.
The Code of Conduct can be found here:http://www.adur
-worthing.gov.uk/med
ia/media,104536,en.p
df
[quote][p][bold]GavinShoosmith[/bold] wrote: This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life.[/p][/quote]Maybe as a Worthing resident you might feel that the 'Code of Conduct' for WBC councillors was on this recent occasion breached and should raise a formal complaint. The Code of Conduct can be found here:http://www.adur -worthing.gov.uk/med ia/media,104536,en.p df one law for them
  • Score: 4

1:07am Tue 7 Jan 14

DP2306 says...

"Do you know who I am?"
*peers over top of glasses*

"Sweet-cheeks....I know who you WERE"

Now any changes to the pubs licensing or applications to changes in the pubs license can't be expected to proceed without prejudice until she's removed from the licensing committee. A Councillor on the committee must be seen to remain impartial to all decisions and after this, she clearly won't be where this premises is concerned.

I hope you take note of this Mr.Yallop...
"Do you know who I am?" *peers over top of glasses* "Sweet-cheeks....I know who you WERE" Now any changes to the pubs licensing or applications to changes in the pubs license can't be expected to proceed without prejudice until she's removed from the licensing committee. A Councillor on the committee must be seen to remain impartial to all decisions and after this, she clearly won't be where this premises is concerned. I hope you take note of this Mr.Yallop... DP2306
  • Score: 5

9:23am Tue 7 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

mimseycal wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys
That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience.
Well hush mar mouth, dem people fromm the BMEWF know der rights
honeychil
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys[/p][/quote]That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience.[/p][/quote]Well hush mar mouth, dem people fromm the BMEWF know der rights honeychil ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 0

9:24am Tue 7 Jan 14

ThinkBrighton says...

mimseycal wrote:
whatevernext2013 wrote:
i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys
That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience.
Well hush mar mouth, dem people fromm the BMEWF know der rights
honeychil
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatevernext2013[/bold] wrote: i wonder if she will be asked to attend a meeting ,for abuse of public office ,or is that just for female Brighton councillors talking about soft toys[/p][/quote]That depends on whether Worthing has the equivalent to the BMEWF in licencing. Wouldn't have thought so. Having said that, I agree that this sort of conduct is far more likely to bring the office of Councilor into disrepute then nostalgic reminiscing over a childhood experience.[/p][/quote]Well hush mar mouth, dem people fromm the BMEWF know der rights honeychil ThinkBrighton
  • Score: 0

10:48am Thu 9 Jan 14

Richada says...

mimseycal wrote:
What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".
Here HERE!

Sounds like she was after a "free ticket" to me.

Guess the gravy train stopped right there on that occasion - quite rightly so too!
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".[/p][/quote]Here HERE! Sounds like she was after a "free ticket" to me. Guess the gravy train stopped right there on that occasion - quite rightly so too! Richada
  • Score: 1

10:52am Thu 9 Jan 14

Richada says...

notaconspiracy wrote:
Er, no, luv, nobody knows who you are!
Yes but we do now!
[quote][p][bold]notaconspiracy[/bold] wrote: Er, no, luv, nobody knows who you are![/p][/quote]Yes but we do now! Richada
  • Score: 0

11:02am Thu 9 Jan 14

Richada says...

GavinShoosmith wrote:
This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life.
Taken at face value, that would appear to shed a rather different light on what originally could have been taken as a "silly" remark in a pub at New Years.

In your shoes, again, taking the above at face value, I would undoubtedly be taking action - Ms Vaughan certainly has no place having a role on the local council.
[quote][p][bold]GavinShoosmith[/bold] wrote: This woman's actions led to me (a hardworking father of three) lose my job. I used to be very proud to work for a very well know car windscreen firm and was proud and happy in my work. I had the misfortune of living opposite Her. She was constantly moaning about me parking my work van outside her house. I had as much right to park in the bay as anyone but she was horrible on a few occasions. One day I was driving along my road looking for a place to park and she drove straight out of her drive clipping my front wing with her car. Had I not swerved I would have written her car off. My partner was upstairs in out rented flat with her aunty who both saw the whole thing out the window. I got out of my van and I will admit called her a silly cow. She ran in her house and wouldn't come back out. I contacted the police who said they would deal with it. Next morning I went to work and was immediately suspended. She had written an email to my company which started "I am a councillor for Worthing." It then went on to say that I had driven into her car like a madman and that I then proceeded to throw a torrent of abuse at her in an aggressive manor which forced to barricade herself inside her house. Also detailing that an angry mob (my pregnant girlfriend and her aunty, lol) gathered outside forcing her to remain in the house and not come out to exchange insurance details. I was suspended for nearly a month before being allowed to return to work and only after she eventually admitted the accident was her fault! and six months later I was made redundant. Due to my work performance dropping whilst being I was out of work for a long time after this which put huge strain on me and my family. Something needs to done about this woman abusing her power. She nearly destroyed my life.[/p][/quote]Taken at face value, that would appear to shed a rather different light on what originally could have been taken as a "silly" remark in a pub at New Years. In your shoes, again, taking the above at face value, I would undoubtedly be taking action - Ms Vaughan certainly has no place having a role on the local council. Richada
  • Score: 1

11:22am Thu 9 Jan 14

Richada says...

mimseycal wrote:
jja123 wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".
I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour?
Maybe she thought that as she was only viewing it as a waiting room till her dinner booking needing a ticket was a tad much.

It matters not really what her reason was. What does matter is that she obviously thought only of her own convenience. Throwing her weight about may well have been a momentary aberration which she sincerely regrets now.
I think referring to a lady's weight in this way is getting a little too personal - we do only get to see her head and shoulders in the article.

More seriously a ticket is a ticket, should she have ended up in an overcrowded pub, and God forbid, a helicopter had crashed on the roof, I suspct that she would have been first in line to hold the manager responsible for allowing the overcrowding in the first place.

The whole night or two minutes - it is all the same, it only takes seconds for disaster to strike.......

.......leaving Ms. Vaughan's words very hollow indeed.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jja123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: What concerns me more is that here is a person with some authority, one supposes, who sees no difference between a free ticket and entry into a ticketed event without a ticket ... and I quote "I was not trying to get a free ticket but just wanted to go in for an hour or half an hour".[/p][/quote]I thought that was odd too. Does she think she only needs a ticket to something if she's going to stay for more than an hour?[/p][/quote]Maybe she thought that as she was only viewing it as a waiting room till her dinner booking needing a ticket was a tad much. It matters not really what her reason was. What does matter is that she obviously thought only of her own convenience. Throwing her weight about may well have been a momentary aberration which she sincerely regrets now.[/p][/quote]I think referring to a lady's weight in this way is getting a little too personal - we do only get to see her head and shoulders in the article. More seriously a ticket is a ticket, should she have ended up in an overcrowded pub, and God forbid, a helicopter had crashed on the roof, I suspct that she would have been first in line to hold the manager responsible for allowing the overcrowding in the first place. The whole night or two minutes - it is all the same, it only takes seconds for disaster to strike....... .......leaving Ms. Vaughan's words very hollow indeed. Richada
  • Score: 2

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